Good or bad aside,we probably all experienced something that just wasnt our cup of tea or we didnt get why people find it interesting.
For example,I never got Wonder Years.For a sitcom (was it?),whole thing is downright traumatic.
Or a recent example,Parks and Recreation.Is its supposed to be funny?Is it funny because they are dead serious?Because local politics function like that,almost exactly?I dont get it. :)
Soap operas (excluding daytime Dark Shadows but including nighttime soap operas and 1991 Dark Shadows). I sometimes leave them on if something I want to watch comes on afterward. These days there is a lot of discussion about "taking responsibility" and "getting it" and yet no one really takes responsibility nor do they seem to get it. They seem to be dumber than a post.
I often wonder what is wrong with these people.
My daughter loved Boy Meets World. She was 9.
And I often puzzled over Rosanne and was one of the people who did not love Raymnond.
Twilight. Why do people like this crap? Seriously.
Quote from: kkhohoho on November 21, 2017, 06:55:44 PM
Twilight. Why do people like this crap? Seriously.
Yeah. I don't understand what is so great about having sex with a diseased corpse. Even a sparkly one.
Then there's "Vampire: The Masquerade"; the live action variety.
Seinfeld. How anyone thinks it is one of the greatest shows ever is beyond me. I quit watching during the second season, and I've seen rankings of the greatest comedy shows ever that make me laugh more than the actual show did.
The NuTrek movies. They lost me with the second film when they did the reverse of the big Kirk/Spock moment from Wrath of Khan. Plus, I hate how Spock is written in the newer movies. They don't get the character at all.
Not a fan of Twilight by any means, but they did seriously miscast with Kristen Stewart. Ashley Greene, the actress who played Alice, would have made a better Bella.
For me as a kid, I never got into GI Joe. I just don't like the military I guess. Give me Transformers, He-Man, or Thudercats any day of the week, though.
Then in high school, I never really got into the Legend of Zelda games. I loved a Link to the Past, but had never played anything beyond it (even though I'm itching to get a switch now to play Breath of the Wild)
Once I got into university, and Harry Potter became a big thing, I knew it was for kids, and would only ever watch the movies once a year with a friend and some.... medicine.
There are a few other game franchises I never really got, too. Any first-person shooters, JRPGs, etc. and these days I just cannot listen to recent rap music. My musical taste has stagnated for sure!
Quote from: GhostMachine on November 21, 2017, 11:48:50 PM
The NuTrek movies. They lost me with the second film when they did the reverse of the big Kirk/Spock moment from Wrath of Khan. Plus, I hate how Spock is written in the newer movies. They don't get the character at all.
The second movie was pretty lame, but the third is surprisingly good and feels more Trek like. The new director probably made the difference.
For me I grew up overseas and often heard about trends after the fact. Pogs confused me. I watched a bit of Power Rangers, but never saw the big deal (although I was a bit older than the normal audience) especially since I recognized it as a common Japanese genre that had been around for decades. Everyone was like--it's a cool new show unlike anything else. I was like, it's now new, it's just like all the other shows I used to watch. Even has the annoying robot at the home base. Nothing original at all.
Never dawned on me that Americans genuinely had never been exposed to it before.
As I've observed before (though not on this forum, I don't think) People who didn't care for the two JJ. Abrams films or liked them less tend to like Star Trek Beyond more, for reasons that make perfect sense. Linkara, Moviebob and Redlettermedia's Half in the Bag all liked it more. I enjoyed it, but I thoroughly enjoyed all three.
This kind of thread is right up my ally. There was a thread on Tvtropes I took part in a few years back in the comics forum where the game was to praise a comic you hate and give a criticism to a comic you loved. I loved this idea because I felt it was a good way to balance things out so it didn't get overaly negative. Naturally, the mods locked it for being "too negative" :thumbdown: Actually, might make a good thread here.
Anyway, I'll chime in a few I feel passionate about:
1. The Legend of Korra. I didn't love Avatar: The Last Airbender, but I did enjoy it and I appreciated it. But I had serious issues with Korra. I enjoyed about half of it, and didn't like it as much as the earlier series. I couldn't get invested in most of the characters.
2. Samurai Jack. I always found the original run of the show boring, overall formulaic, and, my biggest problem with it, it had a solid premise that it never really did anything with.
So imagine my surprise when the revival comes out and it's literally everything I ever wanted the original to be. Connected plots, character development, actual stakes and emotional weight, shifting allegiances, darker tone, and Jack actually trying to defeat Aku. I said to my friend when it was coming out "Where does this show get off getting good after all this time?" I absolutely mean to watch it one day because everything I've seen and heard sounds awesome, but I know it also has some returning characters and continuity with the original run so I might try to make it through the original run first, since I never did when it first aired.
3. Yu-Gi-Oh! Arc V. I've discussed this at fair length with HT over PM, but yeah, as a fan of the franchise, this one perplexes me. I've heard a few people say it's the best Yu-Gi-Oh! since the original, but I find it the least engrossing by a wide margin. I find the story and characters aren't as interesting or handled as well as the previous shows.
4. Since nobody said this thread was strictly about shows or movies....As I've mentioned at least once before on the forum, I've never liked the MCU-era Loki as much as everyone else. Though that's more he's overexposed across the Marvel brand (movies + comics + video games + cartoons) than the version in the movies actually being bad. But I never look forward to more of him anymore as a result.
[EDIT] One more I almost forgot:
5. I know I'm gonna get flak for this one.....Batman: TAS. The reason I don't love it like so many other do (though I definitely enjoyed it, and pretty much all of the shows and movies within that universe) pretty much stems from it being more focused on self contained stories, and, unless I'm watching a comedy, I tend to greatly prefer serialized storytelling (and sadly, when they did a Batman show that did longer arcs from the outset, Beware the Batman, it didn't turn out that great.) Pretty much everything else about the show is great though, and I'm very happy for the lasting impact its had on so much that's come out since. Kevin Conroy and Mark Hamill are still the definitive Batman and Joker.
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Quote from: kkhohoho on November 21, 2017, 06:55:44 PM
Twilight. Why do people like this crap? Seriously.
Yeah. I don't understand what is so great about having sex with a diseased corpse. Even a sparkly one.
Then there's "Vampire: The Masquerade"; the live action variety.
But its a great game. :)
Thou,did anyone like Raymond?
From the realm of comics,pull out your torches and pitchforks now,Sandman.While there is no denying its influence and importance,I personally never could stomach Gaimans brand of goth cleaverness.
Oh, if I included comics, I'd probably be here all day.
Ah, and this is why you all are "my people" (but don't ask me to sing the song, though).
A short list of things I was probably past the target age to "get" when they came out:
G.I. Joe
Power Rangers
TMNT (other than the original comic run, but I wasn't interested)
Transformers
Pokemon (including every single CCG that followed)
Harry Potter
Saved By The Bell
Other popular things that never grabbed me:
Friends
Sienfeld
Buffy (the series -- it was too different from the movie, which I liked)
the BSG reboot
B5 (but only because it was so long between the pilot and the start of the show, and I was in Japan, otherwise I might have been a fan)
Rosanne
Everybody Loves Raymond (like Sienfeld, their stand-up was enjoyable, but not a successful transition to sitcom)
Twilight (because I have a brain -- and this may also belong to the the list above)
50 SOG (because my sense of taste has a gag reflex)
all anime/manga
Mission: Impossible movie franchise
New Trek
Fast & Furious franchise
I'm sure there's far more to add, but that's all that's coming to mind at the moment.
And just because I have to....
"You were not brought upon this world to "get it"" Mr. 'glob.
I wasn't brought upon this world, I was decanted like a good little android.
Like Panther Gunn, I was too old for most of those things
My Gunn brother said a lot I would already. But mine weren't mostly due to age. Some of it was.
Harry Potter(not at all)
Friends
Seinfield
Pokemon/Magic/Yu Gi oh/etc.
Dragon Ball Z
Lego Etc.(anything related)
Couldn't really get into Power Rangers. Saw the first few episodes, got the concept, but never really watched.
Not just Mission Impossible, but pretty much anything with Tom Cruise in it.
And as big of a Star Wars fan I was I bought Vector Prime, never read it and the rest of the NJO and anything Yuuzhan Vong.
I thought of another one. One Punch Man. People talk about it like it totally awesome. I watched it a few days ago, and it was okay. It had some interesting ideas and I like main premise, but I woudn't call it good and definitely not great.
Come to think of it, I haven't gotten the X-Men since the 1980s.
Quote from: Shogunn2517 on November 23, 2017, 01:41:33 AM
Not just Mission Impossible, but pretty much anything with Tom Cruise in it.
I saw the first MI movie in theaters, and was not pleased that it crapped all over the original tv series. (If you're a fan of the tv show and haven't seen the movies, DO NOT watch the first film!)
Quote from: GhostMachine on November 21, 2017, 11:48:50 PMThe NuTrek movies. They lost me with the second film when they did the reverse of the big Kirk/Spock moment from Wrath of Khan. Plus, I hate how Spock is written in the newer movies. They don't get the character at all.
This. This so much. :thumbup:
When I think of popular things I haven't "got," I mostly think of movies I intentionally haven't watched because I know they aren't my cup of tea. Of course, this results in me hearing "oh but you
have to watch it" all the time. :P
Quote from: Silver Shocker on November 22, 2017, 11:05:47 PM
Oh, if I included comics, I'd probably be here all day.
Sandman was a good example because its one of the few things that broke into the mainstream.
And no;I dont think Saga managed to do that.
Haha, yeah, I'm often out of step with the crowds, but I see that as a badge of honor these days.
Though I'm almost of an age for it, I also never got Pokemon or Power Rangers. Even as a kid, I thought they were both stupid. I also never really got into Dragon Ball Z, either.
Magic the Gathering. It was all over when I was in middle school, but I never really got into it, though, as is very often the case for me, the mythology and potential of the ideas behind fascinated me. I had a book of the artwork for the cards that fueled my own fantasy storytelling for a while. In fact, my favorite D&D character, who traveled through all of the classic Black Isle games, Dakkon Elsdragon, was taken from two of those cards.
I'm astonished at the folks who didn't get Seinfeld!
Yeah, but I don't understand why people don't get The Three Stooges... ;)
Quote from: BentonGrey on November 26, 2017, 06:20:56 PM
Haha, yeah, I'm often out of step with the crowds, but I see that as a badge of honor these days.
Though I'm almost of an age for it, I also never got Pokemon or Power Rangers. Even as a kid, I thought they were both stupid. I also never really got into Dragon Ball Z, either.
Magic the Gathering. It was all over when I was in middle school, but I never really got into it, though, as is very often the case for me, the mythology and potential of the ideas behind fascinated me. I had a book of the artwork for the cards that fueled my own fantasy storytelling for a while. In fact, my favorite D&D character, who traveled through all of the classic Black Isle games, Dakkon Elsdragon, was taken from two of those cards.
I'm astonished at the folks who didn't get Seinfeld!
To be fair,I dont think anyone got MTG lore.Also,Pokemon?Come on,your not that young? ;)
Actually that checks out for me. I have a friend only a few years older than me who never much cared for Pokemon, and a brother 1 year older who was very critical of the anime during it's original heyday (but has accepted it in the years since, even if he's doesn't make a point to watch it himself) and didn't play the game for very long.
As for Seinfeld, well Tvtropes does call it the "Seinfeld is Unfunny" trope. Mind you, I've experienced that for a bunch of stuff (some video games have aged very poorly) but not Seinfeld. It was a funny show when I first watched it, and I think it's a funny show now. No joke, when the terrorist bomber called in to the radio show in the Netflix Punisher show, I literally turned to a buddy in my viewing group and said "Should I say it or you?" and he said "Yeah, this is the terrorist bomber!" referencing one of our favorite Seinfeld plots.
QuoteSandman was a good example because its one of the few things that broke into the mainstream.
And no;I dont think Saga managed to do that.
I'd agree with that. Neil Gaiman's name has come up a few times outside of the comics medium discussion. He even had a scene stealing guest starring role on one of the only decent episodes of the "modern" era of the Simpsons!
Brian K. Vaughn, on the other hand, I've never heard come up outside of the comics fandom, not even with a Runaways adaptation out now.
Undertale.I dont get it,sorry.
One of these days I might try out Undertale, but I fully expect I won't like it as much as some people apparently do.
Time to do some necroposting since there is a movie coming out...Dune. Its a self-insert fantasy,Paul is a total Mary Sue,villains are cartoonish over-the-top kiddie touchers,its slow and overwritten. But Im told its "Star Wars for adults" and "Uh actually in the sequels..." because people can't reevaluate something they liked when they were 12.
I'll second that. I actively hate them.
Quote from: Kommando on January 13, 2021, 01:37:08 AM
Quote from: Deaths Jester on January 13, 2021, 01:29:50 AM
Soberness...i just don't get it.
I've been dry for almost two years and I bet I drank more than you or Dr Manbot.
Now that reference sure takes me back. It's kinda nostalgic. For the most miserable time in my life (high school).
Quote from: BentonGrey on January 12, 2021, 08:41:27 PM
I'll second that. I actively hate them.
I would argue our
lives have been a reality show for a good year or more.
What's that?
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Fair enough.
Quote from: Kommando on January 12, 2021, 08:53:07 PM
Okay talking about Star Wars, here is something I don't get. Who liked Yoda in Empire Strikes Back? Eight year old me was really upset that the Jedi Master was a puppet with Miss Piggy's voice. And then I remember the glut of Yoda figures in the discount bin at K-Mart. Nobody liked him. How is he beloved? He's a puppet. Okay, I was also upset that Tribute Magazine lied to me about the third movie being REVENGE of the Jedi, before it got hit with the 1983 version of the PC bat.
Mind you, I liked the prequels, and I bought ALL the most recent movies. ALL of them. First Order Trilogy. Solo. Rogue One. And don't tell me people didn't like Solo, because when that movie came out on video, it was NUMBER ONE on Amazon and Google Play. So people were buying it, and like me, just not discussing it with anyone else.
1. I liked Yoda when I was a kid and saw Return for the first time. Mind you, my godparents named their dog Yoda, and that was the best dog I ever knew, and I'm like
this sure I knew the dog before I met the character in the movie, so that likely had something to do with it.
2. Red Letter Media joked that it was changed from Revenge to Return because Return has one fewer letter which saves money on ink.
3. It was GROVER's voice. :D
4. Congraturations, you qualify as the single most devoted SW fan I know. You have, presumably replaced Shogunn. And everyone I know in RL enjoyed Solo.
And I'm hardly one to throw stones. I loved Episode Nine: The Rise of Palpatine.
Quote from: Kommando on January 13, 2021, 01:37:08 AM
Quote from: Deaths Jester on January 13, 2021, 01:29:50 AM
Soberness...i just don't get it.
I've been dry for almost two years and I bet I drank more than you or Dr Manbot.
I've never seen the appeal of alcohol, myself. The only thing I can actually drink and enjoy is a rum and coke/Dr. Pepper, easy on the rum. Literally everything else I've ever drank (wine, ice wine, and *shudders* Jägermeister) tastes like some variation of what motor oil presumably tastes like.
Probably definitely for the best, in my case.
Not a fan of Jagermeister either. Last time I got actually drunk was...probably over 5 years ago or so...
Back to the topic- American Psycho. I appreciate all the memes it spawned but the actual movie is slow and boring.
The first time I watched Blade Runner from start to finish I didn't get the appeal. The first time I watched it I found it dreadfully dull (when I was a kid I wanted to put it on on tv to try it out and my brother wouldn't allow it, because he hated the movie so much. Naturally he went full hipster and changed his tune in his adult years after reading clickbait online) but on the plus side, while I drudged through I played the Nintendo WiiU port of the Nintendo DS remake of Super Mario 64. Great game, and Luigi is in fact real in it! :D
But I put it on because a buddy of mine wanted to watch the new movie at a later date (and course bailed) but with repeated viewings (I do have to watch those multiple cuts after all) by the time the sequel landed on Netflix and I watched it I was able to appreciate it. Like Jay from Red Letter Media, each time I rewatch it I appreciate it a little more, and one day I may actually love it.
"I was quit when you called me here. I'm doubly quit now."
"She hasn't got long to live, but then again, who does?"
"I've.....SEEN things.....you people wouldn't understand [...] all those memories will be lost.....like tears.....in.....rain." (R.I.P. Rutger Hauer)
I like to think we can all agree though, that the Harrison Ford narration in the original version, is absolutely terrible.
"I got a BELLY full'a killin'".
Oh, that narration's fulla SOMETHING, all right.
Did you watch the version with the Unicorn dream?
https://youtu.be/D6OT77T7YlE
HBomberguy did a whole thing about the various cuts.
If that's the "Final Cut", no, I know it's on Canadian Netflix (it took years to go up) but I never got to it, as I left off on the first 39 minutes of the Director's cut (I checked my notes) and didn't finish it.
See, when my peer brought up he wanted to watch 2049, I tried to do research on which "cut" of BR you should watch in anticipation for the sequel, and didn't get a very helpful answer, so my solution was to watch all three (technically there are at least four "cuts" of Blade Runner, but I wasn't going to try that hard) It didn't quite work out the way I intended, but since the infamous subject of debate isn't addressed in any specific way in 2049 - I didn't feel particularly penalized for it.
Other things I appreciated for sure after getting into it - Rutger Hauer as Roy Batty of course, who has no doubt the most magnetic and memorable performance and serves as the heart and soul of the film and its themes. James Hong, who's villain in the 2000's Teen Titans cartoon was undeniably based on his single unsettling scene in BR. William Sanderson as J.F Sabastian, as I can now appreciate on a rewatch that Sanderson's character and performance in the classic Batman: TAS storyline "Heart of Steel" was modelled directly on him. And Brion James' unnerving Leon Kowalski, who for some reason has a character in Star Fox of all things named after him, one of their many Sci-Fi shoutouts.
Now that I'm on the subject. I did enjoy 2049. It was quite cool to see the original sequence make it into the sequel in the form of Batista's scene, I liked the Force-Awakens-style soft reboot to it (I kinda wish Ford was kept out of the marketing entirely - I seem to recall RLM took the same approach) and the Tarken -esque cameo, in my opinion, works better in this particular film, since it's kept very brief and uncanny-valley is pretty consistently an intentional trope where lifelike robots (with people with suppressed humanity ala Rei Ayanami) are concerned. It's also the closest I've come so far to liking Jared Leto, because as an eccentric weirdo, he's kinda in the pocket. He's kinda like Jesse Eisenberg's Lex Luthor, except he's not grafted onto an embarrassing bastardization of an otherwise awesome pre-established character. I'm also ok with it because he's the successor to Tyrell, who was also rather eccentric in his own right.
I also appreciated Ryan Gosling's character's distinction to Deckard - Deckard seemed dismissive of Replicants for most of the runtime of the original film, while Gosling viewed them as a kind of video game-esque addictive escapism. Other similar bits of world building (on real physical sets - how nifty!) helped to give a sense, once again, of what role new technology played in that world.
The only specific problem I have with the sequel is a pretty notable one - Ford and Edward James Olmos seemed to have either given up on the actual voices and mannerisms they originally gave Deckard and Gaffe, which helped give the original its very unique flavor - or they've forgotten due to a lack of attachment to the property. It makes it a bit harder to view them as the original characters at all.
I should really get around to watching the anime shorts sometime - I'd probably enjoy them immensely as I enjoyed Akira (which I've been told shared similar influences to BR - that of European comics artist Mobius), particularly on a recent rewatch on streaming when I was older, wiser, and more capable of understanding the plot beyond "What the hell did I just watch and how much DID they have to condense to make this a movie?") and Ghost in the Shell, which seemed to take inspiration from BR so much in certain regards it's arguably a spiritual adaptation.
2049, I should mention, is by the same director as the Dune remake - he also directed the very good Prisoners, which I still maintain to this day that Jackman should have at least been nominated for an Oscar for - it also features an admirable turn by Jake "Mysterio" Gyllanhaal, and also features Paul "upcoming creepy serial killer version of the Riddler" Dano)
As for mister HBomberguy, I'll definitely have to check out his video, because I've been impressed by some of his other work. I found his joke about selling houses to Aquaman during a flooding hilarious for how well how delivered, quotable, and random it was (to this day, I have no idea why he was chopping his way through the wall with an axe like he was Jack Torrance or something - I guess he thought it was funnier that way? If so, points for effort - that must have taken some work to set up) and his video on the BBC's Sherlock was VERY impressive and came very close to making me change my opinion on the show - in particular his reaction to that business with the boomerang and how flamboyant Andrew Scott's Moriatry was, both absolutely hilarious. And I 100% agree that the production values for the wedding episode were absurd. And I kinda agree with him about how Moffett's run on Doctor Who did kinda get caught up a bit too much in its own hype (still better than the current era, that's for damn sure - no I haven't seen the New Years special, though I know what happens to it - I haven't been in a hurry to watch it yet, because I'm sure I'll find it boring as sin).
"Sell them to who,Ben? Aquaman?!" Became something of a meme. Im not really sure why. Its random,so its funny,I guess.
In one issue of Hitman,a villain dressed as Santa tries reciting the "tears in the rain" speech to get Tommy to spare his life. :D
"But a Blade Runner fan was this miserable heel / And Rutger's great speech from the end he did steal!"
Back on the topic...MMO games. Yes,I played a lot of WoW in highschool,but these days I just don't get the point of a game you can't ever finish.
QuoteBack on the topic...MMO games. Yes,I played a lot of WoW in highschool,but these days I just don't get the point of a game you can't ever finish.
MMO's are something of a guilty pleasure to me. I know to a degree that they're not really that good, are far too time consuming, are not nearly as satisfying as they should be, and that time could go toward other, shorter, far more satisfying games. And yet, that gameplay/reward loop can be addictive. I like to watch a lot of internet videos and such while I run missions.
MMOs, that's one for me. I've never liked their dominant gameplay, and I hate subscription fees.
And no, the modern-day is far more ridiculous than the most manufactured and drama-tastic reality show. :P
As for the click/reward loop there are enough Diablo clones around.
QuoteAnd no, the modern-day is far more ridiculous than the most manufactured and drama-tastic reality show. :P
Since the comparisons to 1984 and Black Mirror wore out...we live in a combination of Brazil and Idiocrarcy.
Sounds about right.
1984 is my favorite book of all time, BTW (and they just announced a tv adaptation of it, oh boy oh boy)....however what got me to read it was discovering that my all time-favorite Star Trek: TNG storyline, "Chain of Command" was partially inspired by it.
Quote from: HarryTrotter on January 13, 2021, 07:40:05 AM
Not a fan of Jagermeister either.
I loved Jager back in the olden days, but I haven't drank anything in nearly 16 years (I stopped just a bit before my daughter was born).
As for popular things I never got into :
- Friends - I just couldn't get into it at all.
- Seinfeld - Was it ever actually funny?
- Family Guy - At first it was 'okay', but I just never fanboyed into it. (I do admit I love the Star Wars episodes.
- Teen Titans Go! - It took me a bit to get into the Teen Titans cartoon, but I grew to like it. But 'Go!' needed to go. Thank goodness for Young Justice.
Was Seinfeld ever funny?! Haha, ND, I'm afraid there must be something wrong with you! :D
QuoteWas Seinfeld ever funny?!
IMO it was and it still is. "It's gold, Jerry. GOLD!"
QuoteBut 'Go!' needed to go. Thank goodness for Young Justice.
Needed to, you say? Go isn't going anywhere. It's such a hit on CN that it's success is a running gag. This season alone had crossovers with Thundercats, DC Super Hero Girls, Beetlejuice and Freakazoid! (including the return of the great David Warner AND Ed Asner- I have GOT to see that!)
Young Justice....I'm looking forward to the return of it next season, because Outsiders was about 20-40% YJ.
I'm with ND on GO, despite his obviously suspect judgment. ;)
Family Guy was funny for the first 5-6 season. These days...it sucks.
The new reality shows are the IRL streams. And its actually worse,since that is sadly- reality. For those unfamiliar,its usually some untalented, unfunny douchebag with a GoPro being an idiot in public with text-to-speech chat enabled. What could possibly go wrong? (A lot,and someone gets arrested most times)
Quote from: HarryTrotter on January 15, 2021, 07:30:42 AM
Family Guy was funny for the first 5-6 season. These days...it sucks.
The new reality shows are the IRL streams. And its actually worse,since that is sadly- reality. For those unfamiliar,its usually some untalented, unfunny douchebag with a GoPro being an idiot in public with text-to-speech chat enabled. What could possibly go wrong? (A lot,and someone gets arrested most times)
Not my field of expertise. And doesn't sound like something I'd particularly enjoy watching/listening to.
I had a similar discussion with a friend. He thinks The Wire is the greatest show ever,I found it too slow and gave up after a few episodes.
And I might have said it before,but I never got into the Battlestar Galactica reboot. I found everyone there annoying and unlikeable. Except Captain Adama tbf. He was cool.
QuoteI had a similar discussion with a friend. He thinks The Wire is the greatest show ever,I found it too slow and gave up after a few episodes.
I've also heard that some consider The Wire the greatest show ever. So I take it, based on your assessment, it's got nothing on Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul?
I hear that the actual greatest tv show however, is Deadwood. Maybe, but I think we can agree Ian McShane is the man regardless. He's even really good in that one episode of Game of Thrones he was in, and had no fondness for the material whatsoever.
QuoteAnd I might have said it before,but I never got into the Battlestar Galactica reboot. I found everyone there annoying and unlikeable. Except Captain Adama tbf. He was cool.
Bill Adama was indeed the man.
The BsG reboot, I fully concede, was never going to be everyone's cup of tea. It's bleak on top on bleak with a side order of bleak and a happy meal toy with "bleak" written on it. It's like Ronald D. Moore, after he finished Deep Space Nine, had his "Kill Em All" Tomino phase. It does feel quite a bit like DS9 with the leash taken right off, and I quite liked it for that reason.
Heck, I even liked the Black Market episode. I didn't really understand why people hated that episode.
And then it gets really weird at the very end. Like Lost weird.
I tried to watch Caprica, but I didn't get far. Anyway.
QuoteHBomberguy did a whole thing about the various cuts.
Finally got around to putting this on. It's brilliant. And has a delightfully topical bit about The Snyder Cut:
"Now I quite like a lot of Zach Snyder's films myself -- the first step is admitting you have a problem [...]"
:roll: Also:
Tony Stark: .......Agreed.
"[...] And I'd LOVE to see his version of Justice League, and also UN-SEE the version Joss Whedon 'WITTY DIALOGUE'D'" himself all over.
Ooh, throwing some shade there. Funny thing is, I think we kinda know the Whedon Cut will in fact probably turn out to be the better version. First step is admittance, after all.
Oh, yeah, I just remembered. Here's one I never "got":
THE RAID.
Everyone seemed to love The Raid. But I was almost completely unimpressed. It was like Dredd if it lacked any of the stuff that made Dredd fun or interesting. It's near-plotless, takes place in one location, features ok-pretty good fighting, and that's it. The only part of the movie I genuinely loved was the stunt with the propane tank and the fridge.
That was amazing.
The Raid 2 is better, but not by much. It's better merely because it actually has a plot. Other than that, it's mostly a bunch of prison inmates wrestling in the mud.
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Since comics came up much later in the thread, here's one I don't think I've ever ranted about:
Giffen/Dematteis Justice League International/Europe.
I read a bunch of this back in the day from the bargain bins, and I never got why people loved it. It's Justice League, so I enjoyed it to some degree, and the more serious plots I could get into (same with Joe Kelly's Deadpool run for me) but the comedy doesn't work for me at all. It's not really that funny, either the entire cast or almost the entire cast are turned into caricatures of themselves, I think the art sucks, the book did an absolute hatchet job on the characterization of Blue Beetle and Booster Gold that eventually cost Ted his life and that Booster is still struggling to shake off, they tried to explain away Dr. Light being out of character by claiming it was the effect of a brand of soda she drank, and probably some other problems I forgot about.
On the other hand, "One punch!" was a classic moment. Guy swears it doesn't count because it was a sucker punch.
As for The Wire...I saw like half of season 1 so I can't really say. Maybe it gets better. Maybe its just that my attention span is serious damaged. My policy is to give things at least a 5 episode trial to see if it hooks me,unless I REALLY hated the first episode and/or figured out it's just not my thing.
JLI- my take is that it started strong,but went downhill soon enough (like almost every JL run that ever was). If you think it started bad, remember such laugh track ready disasters as General Glory arc. And it actually got worse. Sufficient to say that dark age (Yazz era?) Justice League never gets a mention by anyone. Whatever happened to Power Girls baby,btw?
Thank the New Gods for the reboot that was JLA. Which will also go downhill,thru several rows of barbed wire and into a sewage processing plant, after Morrison leaves.
Quote from: HarryTrotter on February 19, 2021, 09:20:49 AM
As for The Wire...I saw like half of season 1 so I can't really say. Maybe it gets better. Maybe its just that my attention span is serious damaged. My policy is to give things at least a 5 episode trial to see if it hooks me,unless I REALLY hated the first episode and/or figured out it's just not my thing.
That's a fair shake I suppose. If later seasons improve, you can always take a peek in and see what the new stuff is like. *sigh* I really got to get back into Samurai Jack one day.
QuoteJLI- my take is that it started strong,but went downhill soon enough (like almost every JL run that ever was).
That's.....probably true?
QuoteIf you think it started bad, remember such laugh track ready disasters as General Glory arc. And it actually got worse. Sufficient to say that dark age (Yazz era?) Justice League never gets a mention by anyone. Whatever happened to Power Girls baby,btw?
I only read assorted sections of it here and there. Also, we do not speak of Power Girl's baby. Or her Atlantean heritage. It didn't happen. :cool:
QuoteThank the New Gods for the reboot that was JLA. Which will also go downhill,thru several rows of barbed wire and into a sewage processing plant, after Morrison leaves.
:roll: Yeah, pretty much. Poor, poor Dwayne McDuffie's run. Well, the issues HE WROTE were pretty good.
And "Weaponeers of Qward" from Busiek's "Syndicate Rules" is STILL my shorthand for a sequence or recurring cutaway subplot that brings the plot to a screeching halt and is a slog to get through. Though Prehistoric Avengers is making a solid college try for it. :P
And I STILL haven't finished Robinson's run. And everything I've heard seems to indicate I got out while the getting was good.
It's been a while, so I googled "Justice League One Punch" and found out there's an entire DC Wiki page just for that, and it has a huge list of times it's been referenced in later stories. I totally forgot that Meltzer's run
started with an issue with Batman bragging about it to Superman and WW. I loved that.
Also Giffen had this to say in 2008: ""I never thought I'd say this, but enough with the "one punch" already. It was a throwaway bit. Move on. Please."
Also, also, get ready to hate the Injustice comic more than you already do, because I just found out
this happens in Year Three. (https://i0.wp.com/comicnewbies.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/batman-takes-out-constantine-with-one-punch-4.jpg?ssl=1)
Look, Tom Taylor, I like you as a writer, I really do, but in case you don't know this, the reason "One Punch!" was funny was because Guy Gardner was really, really annoying, and the whole cast couldn't stand him. You can't do that with a character everyone loves, because it just makes you look like an idiot.
Tenth freaking Circle. The one where JLA fight vampires from,you guessed it, tenth circle of hell. The one with Faith and Buffy references. By Claremont and Byrne. With such monologues as "Im using my Green Lantern powers to create a giant green hand". EVERYBODY does this. I guess Claremont was paranoid about artists actually drawing what he wanted. Also,vampires change their plans several times throughout the story
Yeah, I remember, and no, I still haven't read it.
Yeah, you can count me among those that definitely states that The Wire is the greatest series I've ever seen. It's probably the greatest AND my favorite. Granted, so much of the show personally connects to me on different levels, with the people I know, the industries I've worked with and around. But more than that, the characters and the writing is just off the charts of what you'd not expect. A lot of the characters are extremely relatable.
But it often ranks on those "Top television shows of all time" list and for my money, for good reason.
This is not to cast dispersions on it's contemporaries. The Sopranos is also VERY good. Deadwood, is underrated and kind of sneaks up on you, especially outside of the persons you expect like Powers Booth and McShane. Boardwalk Empire is also one that's surprisingly good, especially for the subject matter it covers. If you're a fan of American history at all, you can't miss it. And of course, Game of Thrones, which despite complaints, it DEFINITELY captured the world's attention and for good reason.
But on topic, I suppose less about the entire series but definitely for the pin-ultimate season and last season, I wasn't such a harsh critic as practically everyone else. I got it. I got it on a different level than what others were expecting. I didn't like it being spoiled for me like it was(thanks internet), but there were things that the characters said and did that made it make sense like crazy to me. Yeah, it receives hate and I can get why, but still, I appreciate it for what it told me about life in general.
Back on the topic of Seinfeld- anyone remembers/seen any of the "Seinfeld without the laugh track" edits? It gets kinda creepy.
QuoteBut on topic, I suppose less about the entire series but definitely for the pin-ultimate season and last season, I wasn't such a harsh critic as practically everyone else. I got it. I got it on a different level than what others were expecting. I didn't like it being spoiled for me like it was(thanks internet), but there were things that the characters said and did that made it make sense like crazy to me. Yeah, it receives hate and I can get why, but still, I appreciate it for what it told me about life in general.
Oh don't get me started on the final season of Got. Me and my nephew are still riffing on it two years later.
As one fan on Youtube said, if that was the real ending George intended, I want to see the math.
Also tv show Euron has nothing on book Euron.
[EDIT] Rereading your post, it seems like you might have been walking about the Wire for that part, and not Game of Thrones. If that was the case, sorry, that was a mistake on my part.
QuoteBack on the topic of Seinfeld- anyone remembers/seen any of the "Seinfeld without the laugh track" edits? It gets kinda creepy.
I've heard there's a Friends "Ross without laugh track". I don't want to watch either because I don't want to ruin the enjoyment of either show.
Back in the day when YT still had a star rating I saw clips of the episode where Elaine has a stalker without the laugh track and that was sooo uncomfortable. But it kinda gets you thinking about these sitcom scenarios and the fact all of these people are sociopaths. 🙂
One of the things I did came around on in recent years is King of the Hill. Back then,I found it slow and boring (and I preferred the surrealism of Simpsons). Now I can appreciate it for the characters and "animated sitcom" approach. Im not claiming it's the greatest thing ever(or even that deep),but certainly something you understand better as an adult.
I didn't like King of the Hill at first either, but it became a favorite of mine. The show really picked up once they realized that Hank was right about more than they gave him credit for, haha. The show is best when it's sympathetic to him, like when the power of grilled meat saves Luanne and Peggy from a cult. :D
Y'all with the cult?
We are not a cult, we're an organization that promotes love...
Yeah,this is it.
Haha! :lol:
Thou KOTH sucks in the last 3-4 seasons. And Hank becomes worse then Stan Smith.
The Bachelor/Bachelorette. I just don't see the point. They've only had 2 or 3 couples that actually got married. And I hate that they put people from it on Dancing With The Stars, AND had two in a row win. (Hannah didn't deserve to win.....) Its bad enough that DWTS has a wide definition of who's a "star".......
Seinfeld. Vastly overrated. I'm not saying it wasn't a good series, but when I see it ranked as one of the best comedies ever.....no. Just no. I've seen it ranked close to I LOVE LUCY on some lists, and that is absolutely insane.
Haha, wow GM, I completely agree and completely disagree. I don't get any of the reality TV things, but Seinfeld overrated? Madness! :D
It was a funny show when I first watched it, and I think it's a funny show now.