Some people might get me wrong,but I have to say it...
Why is it that in every corner of comic-book related internet you find the same BS arguments?About things you shouldnt discuss on the internet.
Like everyone is just copy-pasting the same dumb,unresearched arguments that somehow help their "cause".
And dont get me wrong,every "side" is guilty all the same.But do we have to see the same BS everywhere?
That being said,you can all flame me now.
I'm telling you, I'm sick of these half empty toblerones.
Im sick of how everything gets political.And how everyone is a super special awesome snoflake and they should get a character based on themselves.
Play dough and therapy dogs for everyone...this is a safe space.
^TBH,the same things do show up here from time to time.
Just saying that whining about wrong things with strawmen arguments has become way too prevalent in every corner of comic-related net.
And in this case;creators are not really better then fans.
If you dont like the fact your tweets end up being used for BC articles,then stop tweeting.
Or,stop making an @ss of yourself on social media,and people will stop making fun of you.Simple,right?
Quote from: Spade on December 03, 2016, 10:56:50 AM
Im sick of how everything gets political.
Um, but didn't you just start a thread with a theme that is related to politics?
Quote from: Ouflah on December 06, 2016, 02:38:05 PM
Quote from: Spade on December 03, 2016, 10:56:50 AM
Im sick of how everything gets political.
Um, but didn't you just start a thread with a theme that is related to politics?
Actually,dumb arguments about that are not my biggest problem with the internet community(I guess people dealt with it by now). So that was not my first complaint.
I had some other stupid arguments in mind.Like,how for example,if you dont like some newest legacy hero,your immediately a racist,by some leap of logic.
Just wanted to post a friendly reminder for everyone to keep their heads in here. Trust me, I understand tensions are high right now and there's a lot of nonsense going about... but while I respect the need to vent and this thread is fine as it currently stands, please just keep in mind that outright political discussion is against forum rules. Keep the discussion about the toblerones, if you know what I mean.
I wasn't discussing politics,but the whole trend of whining fandom.And wrong priorities.
Or another older example was somebody's explanation of Iron Fist,back in the day of TV series announcement.How Marvel jumped on the Kung Fu bandwagon of the 70's(which is true),but came up with white heroes like Iron Fist and White Tiger.Yeah,that's some lousy research right there. :rolleyes:
Oh.
I thought this was about toblerones.
Quote from: Reepicheep on December 06, 2016, 04:15:06 PM
Oh.
I thought this was about toblerones.
Well.misunderstanding happen when you try to talk about things without really talking about things. :unsure:
Or a more serious response:
The internet is a crazy confusing place. An argument on the internet is nothing like an argument face to face. Without the humanity of contact, the internet is much more introspective. Passion comes from only within, with no way of absorbing the passion of others. It's why trying to 'win' an argument online is pointless. In the end, all anyone achieves is to insulate themselves within their opinion. Facts? Research? There's evidence online for every point of view for every argument. The whole notion becomes self-defeating for the sheer quantity of it.
People are people. A defining trait of people is that if you put two of them in the same room, they'll find something to disagree on. Get used to it. Actually, better yet, learn to love it. It's one of the best things about us: truth is so diverse amongst us. Truth is shaped by our experiences and our perspectives. it's possible to enjoy the way that different experiences make us so different.
But on the internet, that doesn't happen much. When you're recieving a piece of text that you disagree with, or hold issue with, because it doesn't correspond to your truth... well, it's easier to respond to a piece of text than it is to respond to a person, with all their experiences, perspectives and truths. It's too easy to paint a picture of the author using only that tony argument. In the end, on the internet, all you can really do is throw back another piece of text. The cycle continues.
And, you know, something has clearly gotten under your skin. I see you're being cautiously and wisely vague and, honestly, if you need to vent this is a pretty good place to do it. But choose your battles, and do so placidly amidst the noise.
A vague philosophical answer to a vague discussion.
TBH and to put it simply,Im really annoyed by people who think comic companies care about any color other then green.Im talking about money,ofc.
At least everyone quit talking about my drinking habits thanks to being shafted on chocolate...
Unless, of course, you drink chocolate liquors.
At least nothing terribly bad poped up for almost a week.As far as I know;Im sure Rich did something stupid.
Quote from: daglob on December 10, 2016, 05:41:01 PM
Unless, of course, you drink chocolate liquors.
chocolate liquors....mmmmmmmmmmmm
Another rehash of New Hope is coming up,so we have to go thru the same drokk again.
Really,we dont have to go that far for reasons not to see the movie.
Quote from: Reepicheep on December 06, 2016, 04:35:07 PM
Or a more serious response:
The internet is a crazy confusing place. An argument on the internet is nothing like an argument face to face. Without the humanity of contact, the internet is much more introspective. Passion comes from only within, with no way of absorbing the passion of others. It's why trying to 'win' an argument online is pointless. In the end, all anyone achieves is to insulate themselves within their opinion. Facts? Research? There's evidence online for every point of view for every argument. The whole notion becomes self-defeating for the sheer quantity of it.
People are people. A defining trait of people is that if you put two of them in the same room, they'll find something to disagree on. Get used to it. Actually, better yet, learn to love it. It's one of the best things about us: truth is so diverse amongst us. Truth is shaped by our experiences and our perspectives. it's possible to enjoy the way that different experiences make us so different.
But on the internet, that doesn't happen much. When you're recieving a piece of text that you disagree with, or hold issue with, because it doesn't correspond to your truth... well, it's easier to respond to a piece of text than it is to respond to a person, with all their experiences, perspectives and truths. It's too easy to paint a picture of the author using only that tony argument. In the end, on the internet, all you can really do is throw back another piece of text. The cycle continues.
And, you know, something has clearly gotten under your skin. I see you're being cautiously and wisely vague and, honestly, if you need to vent this is a pretty good place to do it. But choose your battles, and do so placidly amidst the noise.
A vague philosophical answer to a vague discussion.
I think that's a pretty good take on it. While I don't want to sound like an egotistical comic creator, there is also the fact that many people online are "anonymous" and thus can "get away" with saying things they likely wouldn't say in person to people they know wouldn't appreciate it. Speaking for myself personally, I might be a little too snarky for my own good here on FR, but in general I don't like confrontations. They have a tendency to make me physically nauseous and I tend to overthink what my response will be. Sometimes when posting here I'll take my time phrasing a post just right so I don't urine someone off inadvertently. That's why I usually avoid prolonged online arguments. That, and they can be very time consuming.
I dont watch Walkind Dead(I read a bit of it) but I have to ask:Why are people complaining about violence there?
A)Isnt violence kinda the point?
B)If it traumatises your kids,why do you let them watch it?Why do you let your kids watch it in the first place?
Yeah, that's pretty baffling. I've not heard that particular complaint online (and yes, I know what happens in this year's premiere) but yeah, that's pretty weird.
Then again,a good number of idiots brought their kids to Deadpool.Which made "You thought this was a superhero movie" speech a lot funnier.
See that, while stupid, makes a lot more sense to me. Superhero movies, including ones based on Marvel properties (whose logo appears on the ones Marvel doesn't own the rights to) is predominantly Pg-13 family friendly viewing, and unlike the Red Band trailer, Deadpool's Green Band trailer and tv spots doesn't have much of the violent or vulgar stuff in there. With the Walking Dead, there's just no frame of reference. 99% percent of zombie anything is mature audiences and understandably so (Plants vs. Zombies, of course, is the exception that proves the rule).
I guess you could chalk that up as a mistake.But still,check the ratings people.
Deadpool made it clear very early in its run time that it was NOT a PG13 film. If you stuck around with your kids more than 10 minutes (and a lot of parents did), that's on you.
Quote from: Tomato on December 20, 2016, 04:33:04 PM
Deadpool made it clear very early in its run time that it was NOT a PG13 film. If you stuck around with your kids more than 10 minutes (and a lot of parents did), that's on you.
True. I still can't believe my sister let her son go see it. Look at the freaking ratings.
But at least I dont remember anyone complaining about Deadpool not being suitable for kids.Well,Im sure somebody did,but I cant really recall an example.
On a different topic,there has been plenty of badness this week in real life.
Does that mean I'm going to have to wander around with a giant movie rating plastered on my butt?!? You know how expensive those stickers are?!?
Man I want to argue with you but I have no idea what you're talking about. Well played.
Quote from: Deaths Jester on December 23, 2016, 06:02:11 PM
Does that mean I'm going to have to wander around with a giant movie rating plastered on my butt?!? You know how expensive those stickers are?!?
I think a big censored bar would just be a better all-around solution.
I don't think they make one big enough.
So today I heard an 8-year old proclaim he wants to be a youtuber.And every day I grow more convinced this world is past its expiration date.
My daughter and son in law and I have all enjoyed Deadpool. We agree that my 11 year old granddaughter isn't old enough to see it yet, and my ex-wife may never be old enough.
Okay,not sure how Deadpool factors in here.
Earlier in the thread (page 1) we were talking about whether or not people would take their kids to Deadpool. I guess someone was just late to the party.
Usually.
That's when the cool kids show up.
Well,Deadpool is still a better role model then "cash me ousside" girl.
I saw Deadpool in the theater. When I did a few moms were freaked because they thought they were taking there kids to see an Avengers type film. Then again Wade makes fun of that fact and points it out right in the film. Also I believe in sensitivity when it comes to children, however and especially with little boys, children are not naive and boys tend to in fact like the nasty stuff. Maybe making it taboo in the first place is also what makes it appealing?
Anyways on point, the internet is filled with negativity for more reason than any else because it is an opportunity for people to vent their frustrations be it directly towards something or to externalize it on an already established one. Not unlike going to a therapist to just unload but more accessible and without very many repercussions as there would be in person. That doesn't make it good of course but in a manner the silver lining is it is healthful for peoples overall stress. And stress is of course a major cause of physical ailment. Myself I've had enough time to adjust that I'm able to recognize and screen out a venting, Facebook of course has that nice slider bar to scroll past the whining and more plugins to outright make it vanish. But there be negativity of it as surely as there be porn of it, this is just one of the rules.
So Alex De Campi complains mainstream industry has no titles aimed at kids.Probably true,but people who write for Heavy Metal Magazine shouldnt throw stones.
That's very true and something I've been saying for years, though I don't know who that fellow is. I'm not sure one has to write age-appropriate stuff to say, 'hey, what people like me are doing really isn't for kids.'
Its a lady,not a fellow,but that's not really important here.Just saying its a bit ironic,even if its true.
Fair enough. :)
By the way, after my sister let my little nephew see Deadpool, I made sure to send her a message when Logan came out telling her NOT to let him see it. Fortunately, I was in time. This time. :P
I can somehow understand how Deadpool trailer confused people.But was that really a danger with Logan?
She doesn't pay close enough attention. :P
Maybe Im a bit too late,but I finished watching SF Debris' Rise and Fall of the Comic empire.Wolf of Wallstreet has nothing on the plays around Marvels bankruptcy.Also,new owners are doing the exact things like the old owners.
Long story short,it did improve my opinion of Jim Shooter;and lowered my opinion of Rob Liefeld and Ike Perlmutter.Something I didn't thought possible.
Oh,and that famous meeting when the future Image founders quit from Marvel-there sure are a lot of versions of that story.
Yeah, from what I've heard, as much of a tyrant and micromanager as Shooter is known for, he really wasn't that bad in some respects.
You may have heard this one before, but probably the best example....Hank Pym was never intended to hit his wife. He was just supposed to make an overdramatic hand gesture. Him hitting the wife was all the artist. Now, that's what Shooter says. Whether you believe it or not is up to you, but I personally buy it.
As ussual,the truth is somewhere in between.He wasnt a villian,but he had his flaws.Its interesting to guess what could have been if he bought Marvel.
Im pretty sure we even discussed the Pym case somewhere here.
Funny story;Perlmutters first edict was to forbid everyone from throwing away paper clips.The second was to reduce Stan Lees salary.Which,as you can expect,backfired so amazingly they ended up paying Stan more then they did before.
Quote from: Spade on March 14, 2017, 07:00:36 PM
Long story short,it did improve my opinion of Jim Shooter;and lowered my opinion of Rob Liefeld and Ike Perlmutter.Something I didn't thought possible.
To be fair, SF Debris did warn you... no matter what your opinion of Liefeld was, the deal with Fighting American will make you think less of him.
In all seriousness though, that video series is fascinating, It's a lot of information for a casual viewer, but nevertheless is something I recommend for anyone interested in the history of the medium.
Edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQ2KzcSD1pE&list=PLP7v2GoLok37YBm3WBaqvrKd97uSMYDPT&index=2 link for the curious
There is also the fact he probably killed Mark Gruenwald.
Quote from: Spade on March 17, 2017, 04:50:39 AM
There is also the fact he probably killed Mark Gruenwald.
...Wut?
As you probably know,Mark was a long time writer and a huge fan of Captain America.And then Heroes Reborn happened.
Mark recieved the copy of Robs CA #1 on Friday,and had a heart attack during the weekend.Are those events connected?Maybe not,but it probably didnt help either.
Damn. That's actually kinda funny in a morbid kinda way.
But the funniest story(outside of the drug tests for Marvel employees) is that when they were reviving Howard the duck,somebody actually asked Steve Gerber to submit a scrip as an audition(for the character he created). So Gerber,being himself,decides to submit the worst,most offensive and vulgar thing that he can come up with...and gets the job on the spot.Turns out he overestimated the tastes of Joe Quesada and Bill Jemmas.By a lot.
Also,how prophetic was that Quesadas company was named Event Comics? :rolleyes:
And on the earlier topic of former owners,here is an easy question,guess what Ike Perlmutter and Carl Icahn are doing these days?Or should I say,guess who are they advising?