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Title: America?
Post by: HarryTrotter on July 19, 2016, 05:07:48 AM
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Joe Casey has a new superhero for Image-America Vasquez.Totaly different from another character named America,also by Joe Casey.
Maybe you could say he got some inspiration from America Jara in the first place.A girl named America might be a trope at this point.
Title: Re: America?
Post by: detourne_me on July 19, 2016, 07:44:05 AM
Sweet, that's a pretty great creative team.
I enjoy when creators kind of carry on their work with characters like that. 
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Post by: HarryTrotter on July 19, 2016, 07:54:51 AM
Well,is that carrying on,or a legal trouble?Seriously,Marvel could sue.Recycling of ideas,anyway.
I remember when Casey wrote about superheroes who sold batteries and androids who tried being human.But,those were better days,before his drug problems.
Title: Re: America?
Post by: detourne_me on July 19, 2016, 10:11:07 AM
I'm not sure what you mean by your latter statements, but Casey's whole career has been kind of 'out there', his early work with Ladronn, Automatic Kafka with Ashley Wood.
Anyway, Dragotta and Casey were the original creators. Maybe they didn't like the direction that Marvel took America Chavez and want to tell new stories with her. This is pretty similar to what happened with Howard the Duck, no?
Title: Re: America?
Post by: HarryTrotter on July 19, 2016, 10:21:40 AM
My point exactly,he had real weird/cool ideas before.He never quite got back to that form.
Wildcats 3.0 are sadly underrated.Considering that superhero companies like Batman Inc and Future Foundation became quite common later.Just one example.
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Post by: Silver Shocker on July 19, 2016, 12:23:27 PM
Let's put it this way - if this level of near-dead-on resemblances to other comic heroes was something you could sue over, EVERYONE in the nineties would have been sued into oblivion, but certainly Image.

That "sweet creative team" is the same team that created Miss America Chavez in the pages of Vengeance anyways. So it's certainly a reunion of sorts.

I've read (I think on Tvtropes) that Joe Casey tried to emulate Grant Morrison's style and hopefully success - right down to the drug use to fuel weird high-concept stories. Apparently it didn't work out for him. I never finished Vengeance, mainly because at the time I read it on Marvel's digital comics service they were missing one or more issues. I didn't like it that much either, though it had some interesting ideas. Anyway, while it was a weird book, that wasn't strictly Joe Casey's fault. The book suffered from editorial meddling; The original idea was to have each issue be about a villain spotlighted on the covers (Doc Ock, Loki, Red Skull, Doom, if I recall correctly) - but the only problem was most or all of those villains were off limits, so the book ended up being about other stuff. Joe Kelly did seem like a better idea man than a writer IMO - a new Hispanic Miss America who could stomp holes in dimension (can't remember if that power originated in his book though), the high tech device called the Ultimate Nulllifier reimagined as a superpowered character, an teenaged version of the Inbetweener, and some nifty new members of the Young Masters - nearly all of which got killed by Lady Bullseye. Joe Kelly also just had Stacy X alive again with her powers back to boot, because zero f's given.
Title: Re: America?
Post by: HarryTrotter on July 19, 2016, 12:54:45 PM
Quote from: Silver Shocker on July 19, 2016, 12:23:27 PM
Let's put it this way - if this level of near-dead-on resemblances to other comic heroes was something you could sue over, EVERYONE in the nineties would have been sued into oblivion, but certainly Image.

That "sweet creative team" is the same team that created Miss America Chavez in the pages of Vengeance anyways. So it's certainly a reunion of sorts.
Thats sorta why I started the thread.I found it a bit funny that the same creative team reunited on the same(renamed) character,for a different character.Im not dumping on Casey or anything.Yeah,Howard to Leonard the Duck was a good example.Did Leonard actually appear in any DC/Vertigo stories after that?
Vengeance,vengeance...oh,yeah,that time when Magneto breaks into a hotel room to stop a threesome involving the Ultimate Nullifier.  :rolleyes:
Btw,the whole image of Grant Morrison as King Mob might be a bit exaggerated.His inspiration probably owns less to substances and alien kidnapping,and a bit more to Milligan and McCarthy.Just my opinion,thou.