Wonder Woman's mother cast for the feature film (http://www.superherohype.com/news/362827-connie-nielsen-cast-as-wonder-womans-mother#/slide/1)
Kinda expected Lucy Lawless there. :)
Quote from: Spade on January 17, 2016, 07:03:52 AM
Kinda expected Lucy Lawless there. :)
Or Linda Carter
Well if Kingdom Come gets adapted soon...
Wonder Woman (2017) Exclusive First look [HD] by The CW (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9Ur4De7yT8)
From the first looks, it seems like they are going in the way of Captain America: The First Avenger, which is not a bad thing.
WONDER WOMAN Comic-Con Trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lGoQhFb4NM)
Looking good!
:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :eek2:
It does indeed look good. Let's hope it sheds the stink of BvS and is a big success.
What are those bright colors? Are they, smiling? IS THE CAMERA BROKEN?!
All jokes aside, this looks SO much better than what weve been getting and i think DC may have turned its leaf over(aka kicked Snyder to the curb post JL1)
Well...I'm rather astonished at the color. The magic lasso looks particularly cool. I hope they do this character justice, because she deserves it. I might actually be able to enjoy this movie, being unconnected to the rest of their cinematic universe.
New trailer for Wonder Woman dropped today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q8fG0TtVAY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q8fG0TtVAY)
I think it looks great! Here's hoping Warner Bros actually stick the landing on this one.
... Yeah, I'll bite. After the truly disappointing other films, this looks to be a significant step up
I won['t bite. Sorry i hate Stockholm Syndrome. We are talking about he company that had made 3 maybe 4 good superhero films in the last 20 (!!!!). They can release as many trailers as they want. They ain't fooling me.
While that's fair, these movies are made by different people, so I think you can judge them on their own merits. While Wonder Woman may end up as the next casualty over at DC, it looks good so far, and I'm hopeful about it.
Same studio all those years. No matter how many directors WB hires they drop the ball 8/10. The only one managed to stay above water was Nolan. So when i have already seen 10 DC movies in the past 16 years in theaters and i still lament my time and money most for the majority of them how can i be faithful? MOS trailers were great as well. BvS comic-con trailoer dropped my jaw to the floor. SS's trailers promised a much better movies than what i saw.
WB/DC has betrayed my trust and goodwill most times than not. I may sound angry because i am. They have had numerous chances.
I see they havent gotten over slow-motion...
In the words of Fox Mulder, "I want to believe."
[sigh]
I have to give DC credit for avoiding the obvious World War 2 setting and going for World War One instead.
SInce there is WW 1 aviation angle,I an kind of hoping for a Hans Von Hammer (Joe Kubert's Enemy Ace) reference.
That would be cool. I suppose it will depend on how schooled in the comics the writers are.
So while there aren't full reviews yet, several critics have taken to social media (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NJhfRI6vNo) to say that Wonder Woman is far and away the best DCAU film. Granted, that's not exactly a high bar to clear... but there's also talk that it was genuinely funny and even critics who did offer criticism of the third act admitted they still liked the film.
I dunno how to feel now. I'd kind of written this one off (mostly because of the rest of the DCEU rather than any fault from this film) but I'm actually a little more hopeful now. I'm still a little burned by the other films, but I might actually see this one in theaters.
I'm going to see Wonder Woman and Justice League when I'm able to (definitely not opening weekend). I liked Man of Steel (despite its flaws), but didn't care much for Batman v Superman or Suicide Squad. I didn't hate either of them; they were both more of a "turn-off your brain and enjoy the action" type movies, as Snyder movies are wont to do. Since none of the movies have been particularly bad in my opinion, I'm willing to give Wonder Woman a shot. If that movie flops in my eyes, Justice League will be the last redemption, regardless. If Justice League doesn't do well for me, DC's out of my book.
Admittedly, I liked MoS well enough as well (I remember defending it a bit back when it came out) but the problem I have with BvS especially is mostly in its tone. It's trying to be a "mature" and "serious" take on Batman and Superman, but it comes across as juvenile fanfiction more than anything else, especially with as many comic arcs as it shoves into the movie seemingly without rhyme or reason. It doesn't help that the movie is basically a love letter to Frank Miller's work on Batman, which itself is often juvenile and idiotic.
Suicide Squad was arguably better in that regard, but it suffered mostly from having too much going on and the editing left it with some pretty awful pacing issues. Moreover, they should have just left Joker out of the film from the get go, he added nothing and Leto's antics after the film came out were an embarrassment.
That said, I WANT to like Wonder Woman. I WANT to like Justice League. It's just that I want to like them for the same reason I fell in love with them in the comics... and so far that hasn't happened.
Quote from: Tomato on May 20, 2017, 07:07:58 PM
Admittedly, I liked MoS well enough as well (I remember defending it a bit back when it came out) but the problem I have with BvS especially is mostly in its tone. It's trying to be a "mature" and "serious" take on Batman and Superman, but it comes across as juvenile fanfiction more than anything else, especially with as many comic arcs as it shoves into the movie seemingly without rhyme or reason. It doesn't help that the movie is basically a love letter to Frank Miller's work on Batman, which itself is often juvenile and idiotic.
Suicide Squad was arguably better in that regard, but it suffered mostly from having too much going on and the editing left it with some pretty awful pacing issues. Moreover, they should have just left Joker out of the film from the get go, he added nothing and Leto's antics after the film came out were an embarrassment.
That said, I WANT to like Wonder Woman. I WANT to like Justice League. It's just that I want to like them for the same reason I fell in love with them in the comics... and so far that hasn't happened.
I'm right there with ya, man. I'm right there with ya. :(
Found this, which is roughtly half scenes from the movie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBL15El6ujI
Good news, the Lasso of Truth is still in and still does what it does. It does look promising.
Spyder, we can no longer be friends! :P
Yeah, chances are this one could actually be decent, but I'm not paying money to watch any DC films until they burn all of this down and start over again. It's a poisoned universe they're playing in.
See, I've always been of the mindset that, in the hands of a good creative team, even the most awful concept can be done properly. For every One More Day, there's the potential for something like Itsjustsomerandomguy's happy hour to exist. For Every Sins Past, there's potential for some good stories to be told with Gabriel and Harry. No idea, however awful it seems at the time, is value-less. It's why I defended the death of Zod in MoS... there's POTENTIAL there for that to have been the catalyst for Superman never killing again, for him to decide to always find a better way in the future, to grow into the Superman I love. And frankly, the cast they have here is stellar. Even dubious choices like Affleck and Gal Gadot have proven to be some of the highlights of otherwise meh films.
The PROBLEM is that the ship is still being run by the same captains who steered it off course to begin with. Zack Snyder in particular has proven to be THE WORST possible choice to helm this universe. The man said that he'd have had Batman raped in prison for God's sake. And even with him now being downplayed quite a bit, it's still the same people above him and the same people above them that chose him in the first place.
THAT BEING SAID. Of every DCEU film, Wonder Woman is the one I really want to work. Even if the rest of the DCEU burns and dies around them, WW is the first female led superhero film since ELEKTRA. Whether we like it or not, if it fails it's not going to be seen by Hollywood as "oh, this is just DC being toxic to everything" it's "Yep, yet another female led superhero movie failed, so much for that Black Widow movie." Like it or not, that's the reality.
Fact is, this movie is pretty historic. It's a female led superhero/action movie with a female director featuring a major DC character who hadn't even appeared in theaters until this decade. And I DESPERATELY want it to be as good as it seems to be.
The fact that it takes place before the rest of the universe and therefore is completely separated from all the otherfilms for now at least is a huge plus, IMO, and one of the reason I am very hopeful. Everything they've show so far has not departed too far from the comics either. The Lasso of Truth and even the comment about her origin seem to line up. I don't know if she started as clay in this one, but she does say that she has no father and Zeus gave her life at her mother's request, so it's going to be pretty close.
It may yet be a dissappointment, but it's far enough away from the rest of the universe that if it turns out good and JL turns out terrible, I can easily take it by itself and pretend that the rest doesn't exist.
Also, if it turns out successfully, it may help turn the rest of the series around. Probably not, but it could happen. WB clearly knows it's not quite going right, but they don't know what to do about it. Give them someone who clearly does and there might be hope.
So, fingers crossed.
Saw it last night. Overall I enjoyed it a lot.... until the big reveal at the end. Even so, it was well worth the price of admission. Gal and Chris have wonderful chemistry together, the supporting cast is great and the story was pretty good up until the aforementioned reveal.
Spoilery thoughts:
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There are some small changes in the Wonder Woman mythology, kind of a melding of nu52 and classic. In this one, the Amazons were created by Zeus to restore peace to the world after Ares corrupted it. This lead to a big battle of the gods, and Zeus protects the Amazons with his dying breath. Diana was told she was made from clay, but actually she is Zeus' daughter with Hypolita. It's implied that the Amazons are eternal but it becomes very clear that they are not immortal. Personally, I always liked the "made from clay" aspect, but I guess I'm behind the times. [sigh]
Themyscira is beautiful and colorful, which acts as a good contrast for when Diana reaches the outside world (as opposed to EVERYTHING being grey 24/7 because REALISM). The action with the Amazons training and later fighting germans is very dynamic. Overall I was very pleased with that section of the movie.
There is also some nice bits of humor sprinkled throughout. This is something that's been missing from DC Cinema for a while now.
Sadly though, Snyder's fingerprints are all over the final act after Diana kills the general she thinks is Ares in disguise, thinking it will release all the soldiers from his influence, and nothing changes. This would have been a good note to transition to something else on, but instead, the REAL Ares shows up, all this time disguised as a British official with a very British mustache, and exposes for a bit and then they fight. wheee.
The reason I mentioned the mustache is that during his exposition, we see Ares defeated by Zeus, and then we see him nursing his wounds AND HE HAS THE SAME FRICKIN MUSTACHE! I almost laughed out loud.
Besides the mustache, Ares is a very generic villain and gets a surprisingly forgettable over-the-top by-the-numbers fight scene with Diana. It felt like studio edict to be honest. I was loving the movie until then, and suddenly "meh".
It's a shame because the rest of the cast is really quite enjoyable. Steve and Diana have great chemistry together and a lot of fun and sometimes funny moments. Diana is naive about the outside world, but never seems helpless in it and Steve is there to try to smooth out the bumps a bit along with his secretary Etta Candy who I also liked a lot. Later we meet a team of what best can be described as "misfits" who are also a fun group that have hidden depths which are slowly revealed. I liked them and I'm glad they survived, even if Steve does not (I did say spoilers). I can see why they killed Steve, but I'm still not 100% happy with it. [sigh]
The no man's land scene was terrific. This is the first time we see her in full costume, and it works so well.
The movie does nothing to explain what she was doing between the end of WWI and BvS, so don't expect anything on that front.
saw it today and was fantastic... I do share the criticism of Glitch Girl as well...
Very good up to the finale, as Glitch said.
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I reeeeeaaaalllly didn't like that Ares as a 1910's British guy was not a disguise, but how he always looked. In a flashback showing him just after Zeus blasted him so many centuries ago and HE STILL HAD HIS BRITISH MUSTACHE!!! What the heck!?
Also, the final scene was very bland, despite the sheer amount of CGI. Very cliche.
The rest of the movie was great, though. The jokes were on point, not forced, and all of the action scenes (save for the Ares fight) were great, especially when WW went across No Man's Land. Beautiful movie.
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I think what's sad is that... aside from the flashback scene also having the mustache, I actually would have preferred it if he'd have just stayed in the british attire the whole fight. The stupid CGI armor actually makes him LESS intimidating and LESS engaging than he was when he was throwing cars and junk at Diana earlier on. The armor was boring and seemed to be all one color, and the helmet, while iconic to Ares, just looked goofy in practice, especially in close-up shots where we were supposed to see his face all the more ridiculous.
That said... I wish it had been handled a bit better, but I genuinely liked this version of Ares. I actually wish he'd had nothing to do with Dr Poison and Captain Not-Ares... Instead, put more emphasis on his big plan being the Armistice. I'm not exactly a history buff, but even I know that the armistice which punished the German population was one of the major contributing factors that led directly from WW1 into WW2... the German people were so desperate and so angry because of how the rest of the world treated them that a leader like Hitler was allowed to rise. It would have made the use of WW1, rather than the more traditional and iconic WW2, even more of a master stroke... that by forcing an unnatural peace in the wrong way, it created a worse and bloodier war.
Because see, that's the thing about this version of Ares... he's not the typical mad warlord we typically see (IE: General Ludendorff). He's a lot colder, more calculating than that. He's creating war not with guns and bombs, but with the idea of peace itself. I just wish the last act took better advantage of that.
It's great that DC made a female superhero film with a female director. It's nice that DC spent hundreds of millions of dollars on a film that wasn't awful and hacked to death in the editing suite, with an obnoxious musical score. As far as the actual quality of this film goes...
"Wonder Woman" was ok, in as much as it was basically a ton of elements from Captain America: The First Avenger (down to the Howling Commandos-style team) smooshed together with the first Thor into an inoffensive mush. You could create a lengthy checklist of all the stuff it borrows, including the lighter Marvel tone.
Gal Gadot was good-looking but stiff and had to deliver some clunky dialogue (just like Henry Cavill as Superman). Whereas Cavill looks constipated a lot of the time, Gadot looks like she's confused.
The things I enjoyed about this film:
* Chris Pine must have broken every charismatic bone in his body injecting all the humor and pathos for the film.
* The fight scenes were exciting and well-executed. Gal Godot looks like a real-life comic book superhero and it was hair-on-arms -pricklingly cool watching her plow through small armies of guys. We really don't see women doing enough of this stuff in superhero films.
* Robin Wright, in a tiny role, was striking as the ultimate bad-arse Amazon.
* There were some interesting ideas about the nature of modern warfare struggling to get out. The little backstories about the not-Howling-Commandos, for example.
The things I didn't enjoy:
* As per the usual, a ton of good actors were wasted in either small roles or roles with punishing dialogue.
* The framing device of Batman's notes ... lame.
* The length of the movie.
* It just wasn't a very interesting film, visually or plot-wise ... it was the definition of serviceable entertainment.
* Just like in the first Thor, Themyscrira is only a backdrop. We don't really get a feel for this advanced Amazon civilization, aside from everyone sparring all day.
* The usual one-dimensional comic baddies with terrible lines. Man, the dialogue in that last battle.
* The plot doesn't really stand up under scrutiny. Like:
Amazons: "We have dedicated our entire lives to training to fight Ares!"
Wonder Woman: "So, what does he look like and how can we find him?"
Amazons: "We don't know!"
... and Wonder Woman killing tons of regular people who just happen to be fighting for Germany, then at the end, we see a few of them are only teenage boys. I'm not sure how Germany is going to feel about seeing Wonder Woman in the Justice League (alongside psycho torturer Batman and collateral damage Superman).
... and Dr Poison's strength-enhancing gas, which serves no purpose to the plot besides giving us one more fight scene. It's a gas that can make anyone as powerful as Wonder Woman. Kind of a big deal during the Great War, no?
... and Wonder Woman's apparent absence from WW2, Vietnam, the Gulf War doesn't jibe with her personal journey at the end of the film, either. In Captain America: The First Avenger this was explained by him being frozen.
So yeah, this film is ok but uninspired. Like Ant-Man or Dr Strange, basically.
I think people are confusing cinematic quality with relief that this film a) finally moves forward in terms of pop culture diversity and b) isn't another absolutely awful film crapping on popular characters and audiences.
Actually now that I think about it...
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We get a whole movie about why Diana isn't about to wait around to help someone who's in trouble now and how she has to act rather instinctively to those that are in need....
But she waits 100 years to help people again?
Or did she just think Doomsday was Ares?
Just seems out of character now.
Other things that bothered me was the "poison pills" dude kept sniffing. I could be wrong but it sounded like "Dr. Poison" said "this will help you get back to your old strength" as if he was that way before. Who was he? Was he supposed to be someone? Or just a random plot device? More than that, Diana also seem to take to tossing around tanks very naturally, as if she's always been doing it. Wasn't surprised about it at all. And how'd she get the "God-killer" sword back in BvS? And what was that "Finishing Move" she did all about? I don't remember lightning casting was a part of Wonder Woman's powerset. Speaking of which, Even Man of Steel managed to sneak a "Superman" in there. Was there a mention of "Wonder Woman" at all?
That was my biggest problem with the movie. There were a TON of plot-holes and ill-explained sequences. I want to watch it again and think maybe some of those questions will be answered, but I'm worried if I watch it it'll just stand out more.
Don't get me wrong, I actually DID enjoy it. Not just because it's giving a female superhero her due. Patty Jenkins did a WONDERFUL job. IMO, the film and sequencing were beautiful from the battle sequences, to the storytelling and getting specifics with the actors. But it CERTAINLY is not the best superhero movie released. Deadpool, Iron Man, The Dark Knight. I'd even put Captain America Winter Soldier, Spider-Man and The Avengers are all much better. Possibly others.
And Starman, you sure you don't want to use spoiler tags for that?
No, I'm good.
The plot here is a lot more shaky compared to Marvel films, probably because the bones of the script are just a pastiche of older Marvel films. Now DC / Warner has to spend the next "Wonder Woman" sequel explaining why Wonder Woman sat out of every conflict and disaster between 1918 to 2016, despite that running in opposition to her character journey in "Wonder Woman". It's not like she was frozen in ice or got sucked back up into Asgard.
Patty Jenkins did a wonderful job of ... copying Zack Snyder's DC movie house-style. I don't remember her using that much slow-motion and desaturated colour in 'Monster'.
As for your question, the "strength gas" was just a dumb red herring instead of being incorporated into the plot with any real care.
I think the question is, is this a genuinely great movie, or does it just seem great compared to DC's previous efforts? (Or lack thereof?)
I don't know that great is the right word, but it's undeniably solid and genuinely enjoyable. I'd put it up there with the likes of Ant-Man or Captain America 1... films that no doubt have their issues and probably won't make any top ten superhero lists, but are still worth watching.
That said, I have almost no issues with 2/3rds of the film. It's shot well, the action is well choreographed and paced, and the comedy is on par with or better than much of the Marvel stuff. It stumbles in its third act, but the ride up to that is so near-perfect that I kinda don't care.
And really, just to put it out there... if you really want to make a line in the sand for how DC can do things without aping Marvel, this is how you do it. 90% of the humor in Marvel films comes in quips... and while that's fine, it can get stale. In contrast, while WW is often hilarious, I can't really recall a single quip in the entire film. 90% of the humor is situational... from the tension between Diana and Steve, to character interaction, to even some of the action beats.
As for explaining the gap...
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Man, I wish the film did a better job being clear in that final act. I took it as WW seeing the way the brute force surrender of Germany in WW1 lead into WW2 (Again, wasted potential IMHO) and coming to the conclusion you can't physically FORCE a peace, instead opting to work behind the scenes and act in a way similar to how Ares was working. War isn't just something you can throw a superhero at and hope a forced time out stops things.
And even if she did intervene, on what side? Sure, we can use the concentration camps as a reason why she would side with England again in WW2, but as the film mentions... England and the USA are not always "the good guys." Sure, Germany may have been the aggressor in WW1, but they're only cast as the bad guys because England won... the totality of the war was basically a pissing match of all these competing European empires that had been itching for war for decades. And even looking JUST at WW2, while Germany was undoubtedly disgusting, America at the same time was locking up Asian citizens and more than a few people were in support of the Nazi party up until we realized the full extent of their actions. And again, it's worth noting that Germany wasn't without provocation... In their victory, the allies of WW1 crippled their economy, starved their people, and castrated their government.
War happens for a reason, and it's a heck of a lot more complicated than "good and evil" 90% of the time. The Iraq war, for example, is not one where I can honestly say we were "the good guys"
For the record,you do know the Austrians had concentration camps in WW1?
Quote from: Shogunn2517 on June 06, 2017, 06:10:39 PM
And Starman, you sure you don't want to use spoiler tags for that?
Yeah, I have to agree here. I haven't gotten to see the Movie yet, b\but I just wanted to see if everyone enjoyed the Movie or not. In this case, Spoilers would have been appreciated, because even though I stopped reading part way through, I still got much more information than I wanted about the Movie as a whole.
Quote from: Tomato on June 07, 2017, 04:58:50 AMI'd put it up there with the likes of Ant-Man or Captain America 1... films that no doubt have their issues and probably won't make any top ten superhero lists, but are still worth watching.
That said, I have almost no issues with 2/3rds of the film. It's shot well, the action is well choreographed and paced, and the comedy is on par with or better than much of the Marvel stuff. It stumbles in its third act, but the ride up to that is so near-perfect that I kinda don't care.
I agree with you, there. I enjoyed it for the most part and it's certainly not a bad film, but it does have some unfortunate flaws.
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As for the Germany being evil, I think the movie tried to point out that nobody was really evil (save for the main villains), but rather, it was Ares manipulating everybody through magic. It was an alright explanation, even if it's not the most clever. The film did try and play at the notion that it's not the nation that's evil, rather just evil people. Ares was the British guy, after all. And while he wasn't exactly British (or maybe he was given his time-spanning British mustache), he was a leader of the country at the time.
I see the same thing happening in a WW2 movie. Keeping the soldiers themselves free from blame, but it's the higher ups that are the evil ones.
Just a wild guess,but Americans save the world and win the war?Just like in every other movie.
QuoteI'd put it up there with the likes of Ant-Man or Captain America 1
There's a world of difference between those two films.
"Ant-Man" is just a formulaic Marvel house-style film. "Captain America: The First Avenger" is by Marvel's best screenwriting team and you can actually tell that Joe Johnston directed it. The film has its own signature style.
"Wonder Woman" definitely falls into the "house-style" category, visually. It's just that, unlike other DC films, it isn't bloated (although it is overlong), hasn't been atrociously edited and, after all the criticism "Batman vs Superman" received, was no longer beholden to the studio mandated "grittiness".
While Patty Jenkins wasn't able to make this a film with any kind of signature style, she was at least able to turn in a coherent, completed product on time, unlike Zack Synder and David Ayer, who crumbled under studio pressure and awful creative decisions.
If DC continues to learn from it's mistakes (chances are 50-50) and doesn't go overboard copying Marvel, I've got decent hopes for Joss Whedon's Batgirl solo film. As for female superheroes, I think the first amazing one we'll get will be Captain Marvel.
I meant no disrespect to either film. I genuinely LIKE both films, but both have their own unique sets of problems. CA1, for example, may be well directed and have its own unique style... but the film stumbles a lot during the third act, falling back on montages and rushing through Cap's wartime efforts to get us to the plane crash before the credits.
@Spade:
I don't think America was a thing at all in the film. Spoilers for a minor plot point.
Spoiler
There IS a native American character who points to the Steve and says "his people" when discussing America's actions towards Native Americans
But in terms of actual participation in the war, even Steve Trevor is a British intelligence agent. Really, Britain and Germany are the only nations we REALLY see in play at all outside themyscira.
That is weird.
Quote from: Spade on June 08, 2017, 05:21:31 PM
That is weird.
That America is the leader of everything right and just in the world?
Actually becoming less and less weird these days.... (I digress)
To clarify my earlier post, because I did some digging... Steve IS an American in the film (I thought he might be because of the accent), but he mentions repeatedly in the film that he works for British Intelligence, so I wasn't sure. In any case, all his superiors are British, and the fact that Steve is actually an American is basically a footnote and barely comes up aside from the line I already mentioned.
QuoteUp to that date, America had tried to keep out of World War One – though she had traded with nations involved in the war – but unrestricted submarine warfare, introduced by the Germans on January 9th, 1917, was the primary issue that caused Woodrow Wilson to ask Congress to declare war on Germany on April 2nd.
The above quote taken from an article on World War I pretty much shows that American military pretty much didn't become fully involved until International waters were being threatened. Steve Trevor was just an American Intelligence Officer who probably got involved because of hearing about everything going on in the front line and what his dad told him. He volunteered to join British Intelligence because he was an outsider that probably has no files on record to identify him and probably knew enough languages to make him blend in where he needed to be useful.
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Now, Since folks are chatting up ideas for Wonder Woman 2..
I had an interesting concept. Since Patty Jenkins has been talking up about bringing in Linda Carter and doing more nods towards the '77 Wonder Woman show, I was thinking that she returned to Themyscira many years after the war ended to discover that while they managed to avoid being discovered by the invading soldiers chasing Trevor.. the revelation of the horrible war that men of the outside world brought to the island didn't set well with some of the Amazon women who watched their friends and family murdered by firearms. Some of these warriors study the weapons and machines left behind and decide to seek their own vengeance against mankind. World War II came and went without Wonder Woman since she was back dealing with royal problems at home but discovering that some of her fellow Amazons left the island required her to leave once again.
Diana finds herself following the renegade warriors all the way to America and right in the middle of the Vietnam War period. This presents another world which she isn't prepared for at all because she is seeing soldiers once again returning home from war in body bags and missing limbs but nobody is treating the warriors with respect. Soldiers are being "drafted" to go fight in a war in a very small part of the world and being hated for doing it. Hippies and Free Love are a huge part of the American world and they want nothing to do with fighting. They want the same free spirit that she saw on Themyscira but Diana doesn't get the whole drug and Rock N Roll spirit that is part of that culture. She wants to join the fight and help turn the tide like she did once before but also discovers that the renegade Amazons are part of the huge Woman's Rights movement going on and they are trying to rally an army of women to take back the world from men.
Not really sure how I would tackle the third act or which villains I would introduce in this time period. Something tells me that Cheeta and Giganta would be among these renegade Amazons and their transformations would be experimental in some form (or using magical artifacts they stole from some vault on Themyscira).
- CQ
Quote from: Shogunn2517 on June 08, 2017, 07:03:54 PM
Quote from: Spade on June 08, 2017, 05:21:31 PM
That is weird.
That America is the leader of everything right and just in the world?
You have been watching too much CNN,mate.
On the actual movie,I just can muster energy to go and see it.Im might be really great,but I lost all interest in DC movies,tbh.
Speaking of WW2...
Gal Gadot has said she will not be returning to the next Wonder Woman film if Bret Ratner is in any way involved, due to his demonstrative sexual harassment and overall scummy behavior. Given how amazing WW was and how well it did, I think it's fair to say that we'll shortly be saying goodbye to the man who made his career on comic movies, and who once claimed She-Hulk only existed to "give Hulk someone to (sleep with)." Especially since WB was already cutting him out due to the sexual harassment claims.
A lot of that coming to light these day...
Thou,wasnt that Goyers statment?
Was it? I think you may be right. For some reason, I attributed it to Ratner. Either way, still the idiot who gave us The Last Stand, a movie I still cannot watch in a single sitting.
And the Rush Hour trilogy.Its a pretty weird body of works there.
That was Goyer who said that. I mentioned that in an earlier thread when I brought up what Goyer said about not wanting to include J'onn J'onnz in the DCEU.
Not that Ratner doesn't have his own separate scandals.
Wow, that's very interesting. Yeah, good for her. It's good that she's got enough leverage to push for that kind of change, though it's a shame that common decency didn't already have the same result.
To be fair, it sounds like his contract with WB was ending and they weren't going to renew it given the harassment claims. Gal Gadot's rumored intervention was just the final nail.
Also yeah, I don't know how I managed to flip goyer and ratner in my brain, outside of both being scumbaggy members of Hollywood. Either way, good riddance.
Quote from: Tomato on November 14, 2017, 02:48:12 PM
Speaking of WW2...
Gal Gadot has said she will not be returning to the next Wonder Woman film if Bret Ratner is in any way involved, due to his demonstrative sexual harassment and overall scummy behavior. Given how amazing WW was and how well it did, I think it's fair to say that we'll shortly be saying goodbye to the man who made his career on comic movies, and who once claimed She-Hulk only existed to "give Hulk someone to (sleep with)." Especially since WB was already cutting him out due to the sexual harassment claims.
Turn out this wasn't ever true. She was already committed and contracted to the next film. Apparently that was just a rumor.