If Marvel can play nice with Sony, why can't they play nice with Fox??
http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/02/10/sony-and-marvel-partner-to-bring-spider-man-into-the-marvel-cinematic-universe?abthid=54d990a5e8242c1c12000037
Wow, this really is real! (http://marvel.com/news/movies/24062/sony_pictures_entertainment_brings_marvel_studios_into_the_amazing_world_of_spider-man) Excited to see what Marvel Studios does with Spidey!
I think the difference between Sony and Fox is a) the contract, I understand it's very slanted to Fox compared to the one Sony has, and b) the X-Men movies are largely successful more so than the latest Spider-Man films. As for the Fantastic Four films I seem to recall Fox nearly lost the license around the same time they did lose Daredevil.
I think this said it best:
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My only concern is that the Thor film and other new franchises have been pushed back for this. I can't help but wonder if we need to see yet another Spider-Man so soon, especially with a new actor. I have mixed feelings about this, but it seems like Marvel has planned for this possibility for some time and know just what to do with the character.
So where does that place the upcoming Sinister Six movie?
Quote from: Spade on February 10, 2015, 06:20:59 AM
So where does that place the upcoming Sinister Six movie?
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think that this might answer your question:
Quote from: IGNUnder the deal, the new Spider-Man will first appear in a Marvel film from Marvel's Cinematic Universe (MCU). Sony Pictures will thereafter release the next installment of its $4 billion Spider-Man franchise, on July 28, 2017, ...
Okey.I wonder who they will cast?If they cast a new actor at all,that is?
Quote from: Figure Fan on February 10, 2015, 06:18:33 AM
My only concern is that the Thor film and other new franchises have been pushed back for this. I can't help but wonder if we need to see yet another Spider-Man so soon, especially with a new actor. I have mixed feelings about this, but it seems like Marvel has planned for this possibility for some time and know just what to do with the character.
Have they been pushed back? As I recall, Marvel had actually set up their release schedule around Sony's Spiderman films even before this deal, and I didn't see anything in that article (though I'm on my phone and may have missed it) that indicated that had changed.
Whoa! Marvel is finally going to get a shot at Spider-Man on film....sort of.
This is really surprising, and I'm not entirely sure how I feel about it. On the one hand, I dearly wish Marvel just had Spidey back free-and-clear, but perhaps Feige will be able to keep the empty suits at Sony from ruining more Spider-Man movies. That would be definitely worth something.
I know I'm almost certainly in the minority with this wish, but here's hoping we don't see Spidey in the Avengers. He's never been a good fit for a team, and he'd be sure to overshadow all the great second tier characters that have gotten a chance to shine, thanks to his absence.
Still, it would be awesome to see this major part of the Marvel Universe get to be part of the film universe.
I love the very subtle slam Feige offers against Sony's movies: "Marvel's involvement will hopefully deliver the creative continuity and authenticity that fans demand from the MCU." In other words, 'hopefully we can clean up the mess you people made by screwing around with one of the most accessible and beloved characters in comics and do things right this time.'
I love this. I'm hoping that not only do we see Spidey in Cap Civil War, but in Avengers 3 as well. If the rumor that none of the big three will be in Avengrers 3, it would be nice to see the film focus on the original new Avengers-Spidey, Cage, Iron Fist, Jessica Jones, Dr Strange. That would make for an awesome movie.
Still, I want to see Spidey in the Avengers as he's been an avenger for a very long time now, and he needs to be out there with MCU's heavy hitters like IM, Cap, and Thor.
jeff
Benton, I read somewhere that Kevin Feige wants Avi Arad gone regarding Spider-Man being a "shared property". I imagine he holds him responsible for the bad turn the franchise has taken.
I also agree with you regarding Spider-Man as an Avenger. I don't care how long he, or Wolverine for that matter, have been on the team. They will never be Avengers to me. I don't dislike the characters, but some people fit and some people don't.
I am also wondering if Captain America: Civil War will be a launch into a separate Civil War trilogy or if they are just going to focus on the conflict between Tony Stark and Cap and have that lead into other movies for Phase 2 or even Phase 3.
For anyone else following this new thread, a thread was previously started by Catwhowalksbyhimself citing some of the details of the Sony/Marvel arrangement: http://freedomreborn.net/forums/index.php?topic=57679.0
I believe there is a link in that thread that brought me to site mentioning Feige's desire to remove Arad.
Quote from: hoss20 on February 10, 2015, 06:00:22 PM
I also agree with you regarding Spider-Man as an Avenger. I don't care how long he, or Wolverine for that matter, have been on the team. They will never be Avengers to me. I don't dislike the characters, but some people fit and some people don't.
Yup, I agree. Still would love to see Spidey interact with MCU Avengers, even if it isn't as an official team member. This is great news all in all, can't wait to see what comes out of it.
While I am very happy about this, I'm a little mad that they pushed back Black Panther movie. I rather see that then Spidey.
Update:
http://comicbook.com/2015/02/10/new-marvel-studios-release-schedule-with-spider-man-included/
Captain America: Civil War – May 6, 2016
Doctor Strange – November 4, 2016
Guardians of the Galaxy 2 – May 5, 2017
Spider-Man – July 28, 2017
Thor: Ragnarok – November 3, 2017
Avengers: Infinity War Part 1 – May 4, 2018
Black Panther – July 6, 2018
Captain Marvel – November 2, 2018
Avengers: Infinity War Part 2 – May 3, 2019
Inhumans – July 12, 2019
I'm with you on Black Panther, JeyNyce. I'm really looking forward to seeing that one.
I'm a little curious as to the delay in Thor: Ragnarok. I had noticed the release date before and it struck me as odd. It will be a full four years after The Dark World. Most sequels of all genres have been following the two year schedule, unless they were all filmed at one time like Lord of the Rings. Cap and Thor have essentially been released within 6 months of each other and the last Thor movie will now be released 18 months after the last Cap film. The only reason I could think of was actor availability.
I wonder if Inhumans will be the last movie in the MCU? Looking at the list I'm thinking that the actors will probably be tired of playing that character and will want to move on to something else.
In the MCU? Doubtful. Marvel has still characters beyond that. Black Panther can continue, Spider-man will be a prominent feature, they can always present Betar Ray Bill if Hemsworth retires the cap. And i trully believe Nova will arive in phase 4. MCU is fine, we will still get our heroes.
I can only digress..seriously big news week for comics folks. Impressive things going on.
Quote from: spydermann93 on February 10, 2015, 05:30:46 AM
I think this said it best:
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Funny thing,one of the theories for Thor 3 was that Thor and Beta Ray Bill would team up against Gorr.Now,I would pay good money to see that.
And it has apparently now been confirmed that Spidey will be appearing in Civil War. Also, Disney got the character by shoveling boatloads of money at Sony until they were buried in it so deep they had to cry uncle.
This is great, Amazing 2 was worse than Ghost Rider. Here's hoping we get Donald Glover this time around.
I have to say, I'm not super excited about this. Captain Marvel and Black Panther were both more interesting to me than another go round with Spider-man, and now they've both been delayed. For a third take on Spider-man within fifteen years, that -even if it's better- is going to feel like a retread. If it's Miles Morales instead of Peter Parker, I'll be a little more positive, but I really don't think that's going to happen.
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Just saw this,tottaly brutal... :)
I am extremely against seeing Miles Morales before Peter in the MCU. It's like making Dick grasyon Batman before Bruce Wayne. It's not about color, Miles has become his own man over the years but this is a historic moment. Spidey is finally coming home after all this years!!! Peter deserves a shot with the other characters.
Pretty sure I have read about Feige being excited about the possibilities for Peter Parker. I don't think Marvel is planning on using Miles right now.
I was pretty excited about this news until I realized it was pushing back some of the other projects I was looking forward to. I'm still excited about Spider-Man being done by Marvel, it was the one thing I felt ASM missed.
I am a little curious as to how they will make Spider-Man relevant to Civil War without him having a history. His whole storyline for CW is built around his fame/infamy. Will anyone care if he is unmasked and nobody know who he is? Will they want to unmask him. Didn't we learn from fallout of CW that unmasking Spider-Man is a HUGE mistake? Will they have him register without unmasking him? But who would care? Most/All of Marvel's movie heroes' identities are public knowledge, right?
I hope it's Miles Morales, as I'm really not keen on seeing Peter Parker's origin and supporting characters on film again. But I'm guessing Marvel will want to play it as a safe as possible and just cast a young-ish actor as (yet again) high-school era Peter.
In any event, it'll be pretty sweet seeing this burgeoning roster of characters in Infinity. I don't envy the scriptwriter and director of that one, though.
I'm hoping that Marvel will use their infamous easter eggs to tell the origin of Spider-man. For example, at the end of Avergers 2, you can show a class going to some kind of science school trip and you'll see one of the kids there is Peter or just show the criminal that killed uncle Ben and just show Spidey's shadow over him. People will get the idea that while the Avengers were fighting Ultron, Peter got bite by the spider and so on. The way I see it, everybody know Spidey's origin, you don't have to tell it all over again, just drop a few hints and people will put the rest together from the other 2 sets of Spidey films
If some aliens are really spying on us,THEY now Spidermans origin story by now.
Yes Spider-man will be in a high school again but there won't be an origin story. That's what the reports say. Guys if we think this for a second starting him in high-school makes a lot of sense. That means they are getting a n actor who can fianlly play the role for more than seven years and we will see a true progression of the character like in the comics. Did you want a 30+ actor who couldn't play past 4 movies?
If you read my original thread, I mentioned that Marvel wanted to start out with the character already as a well known, established hero and move on from there. Spidey can play a prominent role in Civil War because in the MCU, everyone will already know who he is. Expect him to be mentioned in Agents of Shield and the Netflix shows now as someone everyone has heard in. Since Civil War is likely to prove to be a major change for the character, it provides a good jumping point for a new series without having to retell his original. The audience already knows who he is and how he got his powers, so this makes perfect sense.
I also think the MCU version of Civil War is going to be radically different from the comic of the same name, just as the Winter Soldier movie was extremely different from that comic storyline, and the forthcoming Age of Ultron appears to only have Ultron in common with the storyline of that name. Spider-man getting unmasked is not necessarily going to be a major plot point - it's actually hard to imagine how it could be, as none of the other MCU characters have secret identities. It just doesn't line up.
Civil War will be about the governments control of superhumans in the post Age Of Ultron world after Tony's drones rebel and attack everyone. With the Avengers broken apart and not trusting each other leaving the world without protection, Captain America forms his own team to handle finding Winter Soldier and step in to watchdog over America. Iron Man ends up siding with the government to make amends for his mistake and assembles his own team to handle the recent appearance of inhumans and vigilantes appearing all over. It's logical that Steve and Tony clash over personal rights which results in a huge battle when someone or something goes wrong and sends both teams into the conflict possibly with a bigger shadow figure being the cause of the event which ignites the Civil War. Spider-Man and Black Panther obviously will be caught in the middle.
- CQ
But doesn't it seem like this storyline will require Tony to be a very different Tony than the one we've seen before? The Tony we know who told the government where they could stick it when they wanted his tech and the Tony who was so suspicious of SHIELD that he hacked the Hellcarrier is nothing like the Civil War's "let me register all my tech with the government" Tony.
I know Marvel has a plan for this, but the Tony we see in Cap3 will look nothing like the Tony we've seen in the past four movies. And I am having a hard time imagining how they will get from point A to point B.
Quote from: XStream on February 14, 2015, 09:46:47 PM
But doesn't it seem like this storyline will require Tony to be a very different Tony than the one we've seen before? The Tony we know who told the government where they could stick it when they wanted his tech and the Tony who was so suspicious of SHIELD that he hacked the Hellcarrier is nothing like the Civil War's "let me register all my tech with the government" Tony.
I know Marvel has a plan for this, but the Tony we see in Cap3 will look nothing like the Tony we've seen in the past four movies. And I am having a hard time imagining how they will get from point A to point B.
We have not seen Tony in the post-Hydra world yet much less his outlook on everything after during Iron Man 3 when he decides to quit being Iron Man and creates his Drone Army (which is what Ultron rises from). Tony has always been the guy who thinks 10 steps ahead but has taken it on the chin twice (being blindsided by Killian and then Hydra hiding under his nose).
They had a preview clip from Avengers: Age Of Ultron which shows Tony and Steve chopping wood after their first battle with Ultron and after an arguement Steve says "Whenever someone tries to stop a War before it starts people GET hurt!" THAT'S where Civil War is being forged from. Ultron is going to inflict some serious damage and Scarlet Witch hexes Hulk so that he is needed to be taken down by the Hulkbuster which severely damages the reputations of the Avengers and Superhumans in general. We also will have a big event that will occur during the season finale of AGENTS OF SHIELD which I will assume will be a rogue group of Inhumans setting off Terrigen Mist bombs which results in a huge boom of new super powered people with no idea how to control themselves.
Iron Man wants to start a registration program to catalog all of the heroes/villians to avoid anyone making a huge disaster once again. Steve on the other hand watched Tony make a huge mistake with Ultron by not thinking it through doesn't want these new Inhumans confronted like criminals or soldiers which need to be drafted. All it would take is some rookie heroes or some trigger-happy soldiers to approach an unstable Inhuman to unleash a mega-ton event which makes the Government go into a Zero Tolerance policy with ALL superhumans. Spider-Man gets caught between Tony (his idol) and Steve (his heroic inspiration) over which side he should join.
That's what Steve is warning Tony about. All it takes is someone jumping the gun and start rounding up people without reason to avoid a disaster and it ends up causing the Civil War because people get killed.
- CQ
During a recent interview with RDJ regarding Civil War, he said the following:
QuoteThe main thing to me is, and this is where I think the Russos are quite brilliant and where Kevin backed the play, is what sort of incident could occur and what sort of framework could we find Tony in? The clues are in Ultron about where we might find him next. But what would it take for Tony to completely turn around everything he's stood for, quote-unquote, because he was the right-wing guy who could still do his own thing. When the first Iron Man came out the liberals and conservatives were both like, 'You're our guy'. Yes! Score! But the idea of Tony being able to march into Washington and say, 'I'll sign up', wouldn't have made sense if the political climate in the real world hadn't shifted the way it has. It's a little bit of things following a real world continuum in, 'What would you do?'
So, I think that puts the issue to rest. Tony will undergo a major shift by the end of Age Of Ultron and the beginning of Civil War.
- CQ
Something really cool i found online. Ofc it won't happen but would be awesome
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The whole Spidey-unmasking thing to me would be a hard sell in the MCU version of Civil War - almost no one has a secret identity, so the focus on revealing a hero's identity seems much less important than in the comics.
Oh, by the way... Apparently they've got their man. Or boy.
Spoiler
http://screenrant.com/spider-man-asa-butterfield-peter-parker/
Well on the one hand I'm glad we're not seeing another high school Peter Parker, but elementary school seems like a weird choice.
HIYOOO!
Guys, he's 18. Youthful looking, sure, but hardly too young for the part.
No, I know his age. I get what they're doing. Not only do I get it, I accept it and I actually think it's a pretty good idea. Calling the hero a man when in reality he's hardly. Which is what they commentary is for. They're not going to portray him as 18. He'll be a teenager just like Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield were. Though they were in their mid-20s when they took the role. He's fine. Looks the part. Hope he does well...
Just don't ask me to accept an 18-year old as a "man". ;)
I can just see it:
Cap: What's your name son?
Spidey: I'm Spider-man!
Iron Man: Spider-man? Spider-man?? He looks more like Spider-kid!
Frankly i prefer an actor that has the benefit of grwoing up in the screen and becoming more relatable than 28 actors playing high-school Peter. Asa can grow up, Gardfield or Maguire didn't have that privilege.
I think having Asa as Peter/ Spidey is a great idea. I liked him in Ender's Game. Now the next important issue to cover: What Spidey suit will he be wearing and how will he look in it? My Thoughts:
He's a kid, so he won't have "The Spidey suit" yet. He'll have something like Tobey wore in the first spidey movie, then during Civil War, Tony make him the Iron Spider suit, and then later on he gets The Spider-man suit
One of the producers behind the movies stated that he is currently active in the Movieverse in a homemade suit that he put together out of whatever.
Rad, he was my choice for Pete, too.
I think he's got some acting chops and he'll be able to grow into the role. Better him than the weird kid Fox got for Nightcrawler (which I think is great casting for that role)
Sheesh, he does look like a baby, doesn't he? I don't know what the kid is like, not having seen Ender's Game, but he does seem to be a bit young looking to me. Still, I have no strong feelings about it.
Quote from: BentonGrey on May 17, 2015, 02:57:40 AM
Sheesh, he does look like a baby, doesn't he? I don't know what the kid is like, not having seen Ender's Game, but he does seem to be a bit young looking to me. Still, I have no strong feelings about it.
On a side note, Ender's Game was a pretty good movie. I didn't think I was going to enjoy it but I did.
Did he do a good job in it?
Quote from: BentonGrey on May 17, 2015, 06:33:43 PM
Did he do a good job in it?
I certainly thought so. It was a really good adaptation.
I guess I need to see it.
Well Scorsese picked him for Hugo so that says something :D
Since they are not going to tell the origin of Spidey, do you think MJ or Gwen will be in the movie?
There has been some recent speculation of a particular actor being eyes for a role in the MCU. This is a recent unconfirmed rumor:
Spoiler
http://www.pointofgeeks.com/pog-exclusive-marvel-courting-matthew-mcconaughey-for-norman-osborn/
Asa is out
http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/06/12/spider-man-rumor-asa-butterfield-no-longer-in-the-running-to-star?utm_source=IGN%20hub%20page&utm_medium=IGN%20(front%20page)&utm_content=12&utm_campaign=Blogroll
We have our Spidey and our director
http://marvel.com/news/movies/24758/sony_pictures_and_marvel_studios_find_their_spider-man_star_and_director