CAPTAIN AMERICA: CIVIL WAR
http://variety.com/2014/film/news/robert-downey-jr-to-join-captain-america-3-exclusive-1201312229/
Although the article is about Robert Downey Jr. signing a new deal to be featured in the next Captain America movie due to begin production next year for a release in the proceeding year, what's notable is the fact that the role was originally written as not much more than a cameo, until RDJ requested a larger role(money) and producers decided to write the character out, essentially going another direction. But with the release of this article, it is confirmed that RDJ is on the verge of signing a FEATURED role in CAPTAIN AMERICA 3, which will be written in form of Marvel's 2006 Civil War.
At least this is what's being reported now. Of course such a movie would easily rival the scope of the Avengers and as such I would imagine it'd feature more than just Captain America and Iron Man.
Well this sounds great.
It'd been wildly speculated that Cap 3 would be Civil War, but I'd been wondering how they could pull it off without SHIELD or other major heroes appearing. But if RDJ is really set to appear then they can probably make it work. And it is the next step in the story of Bucky.
One thing most sites aren't reporting is that, just as this coming summers Age of Ultron has very little in common with the comic of that name, any Marvel Cinematic Universe version of Civil War will have to be radically different from the comic storyline.
Ugh, I hope so, Tal. I can't say how little an adaptation of that story interests me.
It would actually fit right in with Cap 2 and Season 2 of Agents of SHIELD. Shield's been condemned and blamed for all HYDRA's stuff, so it would make sense for the public to start eyeing the heroes that they supported as suspicious next. The thing is, this would make Cap and IM more likely to take the opposite of their stands in the comics.
I expect it would likely turn out to be very different though.
Do they have the same director from Cap 2 onboard for 3? 'Cause that guy's got my full confidence.
Quote from: BentonGrey on October 14, 2014, 10:59:28 PM
Do they have the same director from Cap 2 onboard for 3? 'Cause that guy's got my full confidence.
Same, here! :thumbup:
Quote from: BentonGrey on October 14, 2014, 10:59:28 PM
Do they have the same director from Cap 2 onboard for 3? 'Cause that guy's got my full confidence.
Man, the opening scene alone is worth the price of admission!
Cons:
* Marvel is just doing this to counter Batman vs Superman ... this will be Captain America vs Iron Man. I'm not sure how I feel about marketing strategy having importance over organic story-telling. I'd kind of just like to see another good Captain America film rather than Avengers 2.5. Instead, the two biggest comic book films of the year will both be heroes beating each other up.
* Iron Man is anti-government in the MCU, and there really aren't enough heroes or heroes with secret identities for them to do something similar to the comic book Civil War. If they announced a Civil War themed film after Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Dr Strange, Ant Man, and whatever characters the plan to introduce in Agents of SHIELD had been introduced, I could see that storyline working. Speaking of SHIELD, what role would they play in this since being demolished in CA:TWS??
* Iron Man is becoming the MCU's Wolverine. There can be too much of a good thing. Iron 2 & 3 were pretty ordinary although they made a ton of money. Once again, I'd rather see Captain America break the comic book trilogy curse with another good film instead Avengers: Disassembled.
Pros:
* Positing Iron Man, the big bread winner of the MCU, as a "bad guy" is interesting.
* Civil War would be a good way to get around to Iron Man exiling Hulk and spinning-off a "Planet Hulk" film
* I guess this would be a good way to cram in some cameos from minor superheroes?
Quote from: BentonGrey on October 14, 2014, 04:13:39 PM
Ugh, I hope so, Tal. I can't say how little an adaptation of that story interests me.
Same here. I hated Civil War...
Quote from: BentonGrey on October 14, 2014, 10:59:28 PM
Do they have the same director from Cap 2 onboard for 3? 'Cause that guy's got my full confidence.
Yes!
I imagine the movie will only display inspiration of the story but few plot details, much like The Winter Soldier. The infrastructure really isn't there to do things the same way. You'd need far more heroes, and more (any?) that have secret identities.
What I would expect is a different government/hero conflict. I don't think identities would work with the current MCU, but forced registering and working for the government. Steve and Tony would get pitted against each other. Falcon, Bucky, Crossbones, are all supposed to return and I'd expect Agent 13 as well.
Of course what is the big thing from Civil War that they'd want for a
Captain America movie? Cap's death and the sidekick taking the shield. That's what I think this is all really about.
Bah, I do NOT want to see that. I LOVE Chris Evans as Cap!
I agree with Pod, the Marvel Movieverse will need an entire new structure for the "Civil War" theme, since they don't have two armies of super powered guys like the comics. But I'm kinda tired of all the "hero vs hero" theme, I don't have anything against it, per se, but it was done to the death in recent comics and now we'll have two different movies following the trend.
As tiring as the Hero vs Hero theme is, I am definitely more than willing to give Marvel Studios their fair chance on this.
They haven't disappointed me yet (except Iron Man 2), and Cap 2 was reeaally good! I believe that they'll do this right, and I can't wait to see it.
Honestly I think Civil War was a great idea, but was somewhat poorly implemented. I've been more interested in people revisiting that story (which has happened in a few places, mostly games) than the original story.
Quote from: lugaru on October 15, 2014, 11:07:34 PM
Honestly I think Civil War was a great idea, but was somewhat poorly implemented. I've been more interested in people revisiting that story (which has happened in a few places, mostly games) than the original story.
The idea isn't bad, but it would need to be dramatically changed to work in the movie-verse, as lots of folks have said. It seems like, to be effective, the concept would have to be changed so much that it would be radically transformed.
Of course Marvel is going to keep the truth be told very socialised and political background of the conflict and bring it into MCU status. It will be interesting to see how the battles goes and if the appearance of Thanos is going to bring them back together. I don't know if Marvel does it to counter BvS but i honestly don't think so. Feige is said to have the event in works for years and it makes sense launching it before the first generation of Avengers expire their contracts.
The other funny thing is that they will need to introduce a lot more marvel characters, or Civil War will basically be that fight scene in the woods.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1g-B8BJzwc
Maybe they can license back Spidey, the Fantastic Four and other characters that they are licensing out. Hopefully it will be like the 1 good thing about X-Men the last Stand (wall to wall mutants) and not the bad things (some awful characterizations and plot devices).
As first noted by JeyNyce, it's now official, the title is CAPTAIN AMERICA: CIVIL WAR. But now, it won't only star Robert Downey Jr., but also will star Chadwick Boseman as T'Challa. I don't know if Captain Marvel or Doctor Strange will be in the 3rd Captain America, but it has been confirmed that Black Panther WILL BE.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/marvel-casts-chadwick-boseman-as-744491
Now I have a question for you guys.....
Do you think Marvel/ Disney already had this planned out already or did they just announce another movie, wait until fans say what they want to see and then write a story around it? If you saw the ending of Cap 2, you knew that Cap 3 was going to be about finding Bucky, but since fans wanted to see Black Panther, and then Civil War, I think Marvel said "Let's see if we can add that stuff" and here we are.
Quote from: JeyNyce on October 29, 2014, 01:52:08 AM
Now I have a question for you guys.....
Do you think Marvel/ Disney already had this planned out already or did they just announce another movie, wait until fans say what they want to see and then write a story around it? If you saw the ending of Cap 2, you knew that Cap 3 was going to be about finding Bucky, but since fans wanted to see Black Panther, and then Civil War, I think Marvel said "Let's see if we can add that stuff" and here we are.
I think Marvel is planning longer term than we sometimes realize. Apparently the Civil War stuff is getting set-up in Avengers 2 (in post-production) and was the reason for the Black Widow/Capitol Hill scene in Cap 2 (a scene shot late in the production of that film). This isn't just fan service.
Quote from: Talavar on October 29, 2014, 02:18:20 AM
Quote from: JeyNyce on October 29, 2014, 01:52:08 AM
Now I have a question for you guys.....
Do you think Marvel/ Disney already had this planned out already or did they just announce another movie, wait until fans say what they want to see and then write a story around it? If you saw the ending of Cap 2, you knew that Cap 3 was going to be about finding Bucky, but since fans wanted to see Black Panther, and then Civil War, I think Marvel said "Let's see if we can add that stuff" and here we are.
I think Marvel is planning longer term than we sometimes realize. Apparently the Civil War stuff is getting set-up in Avengers 2 (in post-production) and was the reason for the Black Widow/Capitol Hill scene in Cap 2 (a scene shot late in the production of that film). This isn't just fan service.
See, this is the thing, with Sebastian Stan having the PC scene and technically still needing to be redeemed, they might have planned to go that way in Captain America 3, but I think rather I or someone else linked that before RDJ signed on for Captain America 3, it was something else and when he signed to FEATURE, they had to re-write it FOR him, in which case I think then is when they wrote in the Civil War storyline. But then again, you have to also keep in mind Emily VanCamp was also in CA2 and I'd doubt she was just signed for what amounts to a cameo for a single movie. I had to think they were going to bring her back and she too had a role in CW. So maybe they wanted to go in this direction, but didn't commit to it until they knew RDJ was all-in for the role.
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And as a separate theory, since we know AGE OF ULTRON won't be the "Age of Ultron" storyline, I can imagine that since this is a Captain America sequel and not an Avengers sequel, that the storyline will be a shell of what the "Civil War" storyline was. There won't be a lineup split of the entire team, but focused just on Captain America and Iron Man. But as speculated, the Avengers' lineup won't stay static and will be changed by the end of AAOU. And really with THREE new members, I doubt they could sustain NINE members altogether. By the end of the movie, Tony Stark will no longer be a part of the team as we know it(actually, I doubt the Hulk will either and maybe one other). But The Avengers will set up Captain America 3 where Iron Man will be Captain America's main antagonist. As it was, Iron Man will be pro-registration and Captain America will be anti-registration. The movie will be Captain America vs Iron Man, Hero-vs-Hero which, I think audiences respond to. Not sure what Black Panther's role will be, but I have to imagine Sharon Carter will play into it as well... But this is my theory.
Quote from: Shogunn2517 on October 29, 2014, 04:37:06 PM
Quote from: Talavar on October 29, 2014, 02:18:20 AM
Quote from: JeyNyce on October 29, 2014, 01:52:08 AM
Now I have a question for you guys.....
Do you think Marvel/ Disney already had this planned out already or did they just announce another movie, wait until fans say what they want to see and then write a story around it? If you saw the ending of Cap 2, you knew that Cap 3 was going to be about finding Bucky, but since fans wanted to see Black Panther, and then Civil War, I think Marvel said "Let's see if we can add that stuff" and here we are.
I think Marvel is planning longer term than we sometimes realize. Apparently the Civil War stuff is getting set-up in Avengers 2 (in post-production) and was the reason for the Black Widow/Capitol Hill scene in Cap 2 (a scene shot late in the production of that film). This isn't just fan service.
See, this is the thing, with Sebastian Stan having the PC scene and technically still needing to be redeemed, they might have planned to go that way in Captain America 3, but I think rather I or someone else linked that before RDJ signed on for Captain America 3, it was something else and when he signed to FEATURE, they had to re-write it FOR him, in which case I think then is when they wrote in the Civil War storyline. But then again, you have to also keep in mind Emily VanCamp was also in CA2 and I'd doubt she was just signed for what amounts to a cameo for a single movie. I had to think they were going to bring her back and she too had a role in CW. So maybe they wanted to go in this direction, but didn't commit to it until they knew RDJ was all-in for the role.
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And as a separate theory, since we know AGE OF ULTRON won't be the "Age of Ultron" storyline, I can imagine that since this is a Captain America sequel and not an Avengers sequel, that the storyline will be a shell of what the "Civil War" storyline was. There won't be a lineup split of the entire team, but focused just on Captain America and Iron Man. But as speculated, the Avengers' lineup won't stay static and will be changed by the end of AAOU. And really with THREE new members, I doubt they could sustain NINE members altogether. By the end of the movie, Tony Stark will no longer be a part of the team as we know it(actually, I doubt the Hulk will either and maybe one other). But The Avengers will set up Captain America 3 where Iron Man will be Captain America's main antagonist. As it was, Iron Man will be pro-registration and Captain America will be anti-registration. The movie will be Captain America vs Iron Man, Hero-vs-Hero which, I think audiences respond to. Not sure what Black Panther's role will be, but I have to imagine Sharon Carter will play into it as well... But this is my theory.
I agree with most of your theory there, and it meshes with a lot I've heard, at least broadly. As to Marvel planning, just because Cap 2 seemed to set Cap 3 up to be the Redemption of Bucky Barnes, nothing means they ever meant to do that immediately, or even as the major focus of a whole film (as a major action movie, I don't know what the storyline would have been there).
Quote from: JeyNyce on October 29, 2014, 01:52:08 AM
Now I have a question for you guys.....
Do you think Marvel/ Disney already had this planned out already or did they just announce another movie, wait until fans say what they want to see and then write a story around it? If you saw the ending of Cap 2, you knew that Cap 3 was going to be about finding Bucky, but since fans wanted to see Black Panther, and then Civil War, I think Marvel said "Let's see if we can add that stuff" and here we are.
I think Marvel has the broad ideas of what they want their movies to be. Kevin Fiege, who is the head of Marvel Studios, has gone on record that he's had the idea for Cap 3 for almost 10 years (basically since the comic came out). I doubt Marvel has all the specifics (such as RDJ being in it) but I think the broad plan has been in the works for years.
I'm still confident that Bucky (and Falcon) will play a major role in Cap 3.
Quote from: Uncle Yuan on October 14, 2014, 11:36:34 PM
Quote from: BentonGrey on October 14, 2014, 10:59:28 PM
Do they have the same director from Cap 2 onboard for 3? 'Cause that guy's got my full confidence.
Man, the opening scene alone is worth the price of admission!
"On your left..?"?
Quote from: Podmark on October 30, 2014, 04:33:30 AM
I'm still confident that Bucky (and Falcon) will play a major role in Cap 3.
I agree, and I hope you're right. If not, they're wasting the WONDERFUL work they did with Cap 2, and that hardly seems likely. However, that story could easily be told within another, larger narrative.
If you want to see the seeds of Civil War that is coming in Capt 3.. check out this scene which was leaked from the Marvel reveal on Tuesday. Just a little chat between Tony and Steve about how to handle problems before they start.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w75cwgEjnQ4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w75cwgEjnQ4)
Just makes you go "WHOA!" and wonder what will happen between them.
- CQ
Very interesting!
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Ant-Man-Appear-Captain-America-Civil-War-71331.html
Pretty significant update. Over the last few days we've seen concepts of Captain America and Iron Man. To prevent spoilers, please google.
However with this release (which I guess was to be expected), the cast is rounding out. Moreover, an actual plot description:
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"'Captain America: Civil War' picks up where 'Avengers: Age of Ultron' left off, as Steve Rogers leads the new team of Avengers in their continued efforts to safeguard humanity. After another international incident involving the Avengers results in collateral damage, political pressure mounts to install a system of accountability and a governing body to determine when to enlist the services of the team. The new status quo fractures the Avengers while they try to protect the world from a new and nefarious villain."
This also clears up a few things that I was very curious about:
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In the Marvel Cinematic Universe, secret identities aren't that big of a deal. Everyone knows who Tony Stark and Steve Rogers is. Black Widow, War Machine and Hawkeye are probably public record(if Dick Cheney has anything to say about it) and Thor and Vision are who they are. In the comic version of Civil War, the government wants to know all secret identities registered and that's the crux of the argument. But here, it seems like a matter of control of the group like any government agency. Which seems to be a highlight the end of the first Avengers. The council was thinking about controlling the Avengers while Fury wanted to keep them independent. To be an extension of the government or not is the bottom line for both.
Perhaps it could be Martin's character working with Baron Zemo to control the Avengers, which could unite the team at the end.... Interesting to see what developes.
But it's quite clear this is essential The Avengers 2.5: Civil War
The plot description and verified cast list is impressive. Avengers 2.5 for sure, with a continuation of the Cap story from Winter Soldier. It will be interesting to see how they blend and develop those two threads.
I suppose a sequel to a major hollywood blockbuster being filmed in an American metropolitan area, we were bound to get plenty of spoiler material to be released.
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As is such, Captain America: Civil War has started filming in Atlanta last week. This week a call has been put out for "upscale men and women" in "dark and conservative attire to reportedly film a funeral scene. Who's funeral? It does not say, however anyone following the comics and Civil War as told there, there are a few deaths in the series, none more particular than Captain America. Is this alledged funeral scene for him? Perhaps. Could it be for others? Hawkeye's family? Peggy Carter? Ant-Man, who will also appear in Civil War has cast two high profile black actors(T.I. and Wood Harris). Perhaps one of them could be the MCU's version of Goliath, who also dies in the comic version.
http://comicbook.com/2015/05/11/captain-america-civil-war-reportedly-filming-a-funeral-scene/
In all likelihood, the funeral scene is for Captain America. CA:CW, which also stars Frank Grillo, Emily VanCamp and Sebastian Stan all reprising their roles from previous Captain America films and though their characters weren't as pivotal in the Civil War comic version, they were very key in the death of Captain America, which proceeded that particular storyline. Why bring in three characters that were not at all featured in Civil War, but have VERY specific roles in the Death of Captain America IF Captain America doesn't die? My opinion, we'll see a "death" of Chris Evans on-camera during the climax of the film and I also think that perhaps in a post-credit scene, Doctor Strange(who will debut later than year) will resurrect Rogers with the Soul Gem, which will be the object sought after in his film. Or just ressurrected in Infinity War with either the Soul, Time, or Reality Gems. Just a theory.
Quote from: Shogunn2517 on May 12, 2015, 07:11:26 AM
I suppose a sequel to a major hollywood blockbuster being filmed in an American metropolitan area, we were bound to get plenty of spoiler material to be released.
Spoiler
As is such, Captain America: Civil War has started filming in Atlanta last week. This week a call has been put out for "upscale men and women" in "dark and conservative attire to reportedly film a funeral scene. Who's funeral? It does not say, however anyone following the comics and Civil War as told there, there are a few deaths in the series, none more particular than Captain America. Is this alledged funeral scene for him? Perhaps. Could it be for others? Hawkeye's family? Peggy Carter? Ant-Man, who will also appear in Civil War has cast two high profile black actors(T.I. and Wood Harris). Perhaps one of them could be the MCU's version of Goliath, who also dies in the comic version.
http://comicbook.com/2015/05/11/captain-america-civil-war-reportedly-filming-a-funeral-scene/
In all likelihood, the funeral scene is for Captain America. CA:CW, which also stars Frank Grillo, Emily VanCamp and Sebastian Stan all reprising their roles from previous Captain America films and though their characters weren't as pivotal in the Civil War comic version, they were very key in the death of Captain America, which proceeded that particular storyline. Why bring in three characters that were not at all featured in Civil War, but have VERY specific roles in the Death of Captain America IF Captain America doesn't die? My opinion, we'll see a "death" of Chris Evans on-camera during the climax of the film and I also think that perhaps in a post-credit scene, Doctor Strange(who will debut later than year) will resurrect Rogers with the Soul Gem, which will be the object sought after in his film. Or just ressurrected in Infinity War with either the Soul, Time, or Reality Gems. Just a theory.
I really think Marvel is going to play against fan expectations...
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and not kill Cap off in Civil War. First, there's Kevin Feige's repeated comments to the press recently that the MCU is never going to take a dark turn, a la the Distinguished Competition; second, Chris Evans has already spoken to the press about his filming schedule for Avengers 3 & 4 (being shot back to back), so there's that, and like all of the comic storylines adapted by the MCU, I think the MCU version of Civil War will only have a very slight resemblance to the comic story.
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Steve Rogers is more likely to just quit being Captain America altogether after the events of Civil War. Maybe this might be a way to handle his NOMAD/THE CAPTAIN period of comics before he shows up again for INFINITY WAR. Steve just hands Winter Soldier/Falcon/whoever his shield and uniform and takes a leave of absence. Could make for an interesting story if he leaves with Sharon Carter to actually share in the normal life that Hawkeye got to enjoy.
- CQ
Set pics. Of characters we've seen and costumes we've not seen. Click at your own risk...
http://www.justjared.com/2015/05/15/chris-evans-anthony-mackie-get-to-action-on-captain-america-civil-war-set/
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CROSSBONES!!!!! :thumbup:
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Crossbones looks so sweet man I am excited for this.
So, there's a new story going around that gives light to one of the bigger questions people have been asking about Civil War since the film was announced:
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Black Panther's angle.
According to a leak on Instagram, T'Challa will be "on the hunt" for the Winter Soldier. And given the set pics and leaked footage with settings similar to the scenes in Africa from Age of Ultron, he won't be alone. However unlike Captain America and Falcon, it's doubtful T'Challa will be looking for the Winter Soldier to give him a pep talk considering his relationship with world leaders. That said, is he looking for WS because he killed his father? It's doubtful they'd go that route in a Captain America movie with a Black Panther movie due out in a few years.
http://www.ibtimes.com/captain-america-civil-war-black-panthers-possible-story-line-revealed-1928839
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/mrsundaymovies/news/?a=124464
This is what I don't understand, I thought Black Panther was going to be neutral, but I guess he's siding with Tony. I hope there's more to like siding with Tony just to keep an eye on him.
Widow & Hawkeye are on opposite sides should be a good side story.
Quote from: JeyNyce on August 28, 2015, 08:57:19 PM
This is what I don't understand, I thought Black Panther was going to be neutral, but I guess he's siding with Tony. I hope there's more to like siding with Tony just to keep an eye on him.
Widow & Hawkeye are on opposite sides should be a good side story.
From what I understand, he's tracking down Winter Soldier, presumably to make him answer for something he did while under Hydra control. Naturally, he sides against him.
I heard that too. Rumors were going around that Bucky killed T'Challa's father, but then another said that T'Challa father will be in the movie, so I don't know what to believe. Anyway, I think this is going to be a great movie. I expect this one to make a lot of money. It seems like out of all the single Marvel movies, the Captain America one are doing the best in story telling and in sells.
CAPTAIN AMERICA: CIVIL WAR trailer!!!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=43NWzay3W4s
Holy H---! That last sequence though!
This is already my favorite movie.
Excellent! Winter Soldier is probably my favourite Marvel movie, so Cap 3 is very high on my list of movies to see.
Saw the trailer 3 times already and after watching it for the 3rd time, if you think about it......
It's a bromance story
Cap: Bucky, you remember me?
Bucky: I do
Cap: I have to protect you
Sam: if they after you I have your back
Cap: Sorry Tony, Bucky is my friend
Tony: I'm your friend too Steve....What about me???
I'm just playing. I'm really excited for this movie
Man...that looks good. I just hope they give Cap/Tony enough motivation, because they ARE friends, and they settled a lot of their differences in the Avengers 2. There is a great story that can be told here, but it needs a careful touch to tell it well. I'm worried about where it might go and where it might end up.
Also:
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Freaking Black Panther!
Quote from: BentonGrey on November 26, 2015, 12:28:49 AM
Man...that looks good. I just hope they give Cap/Tony enough motivation, because they ARE friends, and they settled a lot of their differences in the Avengers 2. There is a great story that can be told here, but it needs a careful touch to tell it well. I'm worried about where it might go and where it might end up.
Same here. I don't know if you read the original Civil War, but that was a freaking mess on all levels, and part of that (but only part,) was because of just how out of character everyone was, with Tony being the biggest offender, and his and Cap's relationship naturally took a hit as well. In any case, this can't be a direct adaptation of that story, because if it was, then it would be a frigging awful movie. So far though, it looks like this film's going to be more inspired by the basic concept of the the comic than anything else, and in which case it might be actually be a darn good watch. But as the comic proved, it's just so easy to screw an idea like this up. So, fingers crossed.
I will say this though: It did give us this awesome Cap speech (In a tie-in, but still:) http://lowbrowcomics.com/2015/05/15/captain-america-speech-civil-war/
In the meantime, enjoy Civil War done right. Or at least in a way that doesn't make your cringe: http://mightygodking.com/i-dont-need-your-civil-war/
EDIT: Civil War
also done right, or at least in yet another actually entertaining fashion: http://the-isb.blogspot.com/2007/02/civil-war-in-30-seconds.html
I think they're playing a lot of the conflict on Bucky. We know from the sketchy details we have that Bucky did SOMETHING in wakanda that was bad enough to pull Black Panther into this, so I'd say it was probably something fairly horrible. So on the one hand, you have cap trying to save his friend, but on the other, Iron Man is trying to take down a supervillain. As for the registration stuff, Tony has been beaten down so many times doing his own thing that I can see him taking comfort in the rule of law
Kk, I didn't read it, but I heard enough about it to know it wouldn't be something I'd enjoy. I'm hopeful that we'll see this concept turned into something great.
'Mato, Tony taking such a position would certainly be a pretty big about face for him after his own movies. I'm not saying you're wrong, and, in a way, it would be a logical arc for him, but it will take some narrative resources to get him there.
Quote from: BentonGrey on December 01, 2015, 05:34:10 AM
'Mato, Tony taking such a position would certainly be a pretty big about face for him after his own movies. I'm not saying you're wrong, and, in a way, it would be a logical arc for him, but it will take some narrative resources to get him there.
From the hints they have been dropping Tony's parents died in an "accident" and then during Captain America: Winter Soldier they showed that Hydra had been using Bucky to kill off all potential problems and among those images was the headline of Tony's parents deaths. So I wouldn't be surprised at all that Tony completely backs the registration program because all of Bucky's assassination attempts are brought into full view when the government decides to bring in all rogue enhanced people after the events of Age Of Ultron and the attack of Crossbones at the beginning of the Civil War movie.
- CQ
Ahh, VERY interesting CQ, I didn't notice that.
Quote from: BentonGrey on December 01, 2015, 02:13:06 PM
Ahh, VERY interesting CQ, I didn't notice that.
I did notice, but completely forgot. That would definitely explain his siding against Cap especially when he's primarily acting to protect Bucky. It also explain his very hurt "so was I" line. Cap's essentially protecting his parents murderer, which would be a huge betrayal to Tony, but not at all one to Cap, thus being totally consistent to both character.
Kudos to the writers if they intentionally set it up that way in Cap 2.
Yeah, that could work. That could really work. Especially if the powers that be orchestrate things so that Tony and Cap don't really get a chance to put all of their cards on the table.
Quote from: BentonGrey on December 02, 2015, 01:10:09 AM
Yeah, that could work. That could really work. Especially if the powers that be orchestrate things so that Tony and Cap don't really get a chance to put all of their cards on the table.
And that's when the Black Panther steps in and set everything right. I have a feeling he's going to be the star of the movie or that he plays an important part of it.
Ohh, I hope that is true. That would be awesome, but from the trailers, it looks to me like he's just taking a side. Ohh! What if it turns out that Bucky didn't actually do some of what he's accused of, but Klaw did?
I'm hoping that Black Panther will be the voice of reason in this movie. He choose Iron Man side just to get more information about Bucky's past and the things that he has done and then confronts them with what he learned. That would be cool to see Bucky & Cap beat up Iron Man and then Black Panther comes in and take all three of them out, and then tell them the truth about the whole situation. This would a great setup for the Black Panther movie.
I would be 100% on board with that, and it would be a good way to put the relationships back together (or start to) before the finale. Also, I just want to see Black Panther being freaking awesome.
Every once in a while the magnificent, ridiculous scale of the Marvel Cinematic Universe weighs on me. How incredibly amazing is it that we are talking about a Black Panther movie? How unlikely is it that we're waiting for a film that features Cap, Iron Man, Falcon, and the Black Panther? Before all of this took off, I would never have believed they could have come this far, especially with such love, grace, and true heroism.
Quote from: BentonGrey on December 02, 2015, 05:38:11 PM
I would be 100% on board with that, and it would be a good way to put the relationships back together (or start to) before the finale. Also, I just want to see Black Panther being freaking awesome.
Every once in a while the magnificent, ridiculous scale of the Marvel Cinematic Universe weighs on me. How incredibly amazing is that we are talking about a Black Panther movie? How unlikely is it that we're waiting for a film that features Cap, Iron Man, Falcon, and the Black Panther? Before all of this took off, I would never have believed they could have come this far, especially with such love, grace, and true heroism.
So true, while kids today take this for granted, parents and even grandparents long to see their heroes on the big screen! Kids today will never know the struggle! LOL!
Quote from: BentonGrey on December 02, 2015, 05:38:11 PM
I would be 100% on board with that, and it would be a good way to put the relationships back together (or start to) before the finale. Also, I just want to see Black Panther being freaking awesome.
Every once in a while the magnificent, ridiculous scale of the Marvel Cinematic Universe weighs on me. How incredibly amazing is that we are talking about a Black Panther movie? How unlikely is it that we're waiting for a film that features Cap, Iron Man, Falcon, and the Black Panther? Before all of this took off, I would never have believed they could have come this far, especially with such love, grace, and true heroism.
Well said. As dumb as it may sound, the Marvel movies really mean a lot to me, especially Cap 2 and both Avengers. Seeing these characters come to life in a way that was impossible for me to even imagine when I was younger just blows my mind. They have executed so exceptionally in so many ways, heavily drawing from both the best of the source material and the most talented people in the movie business. I feel lucky to be alive during these years.
(http://www.theouthousers.com/images/jce/S.F._Jude_Terror/2015/12/BlackPantherCover.jpg)
They used Black Panther to make a bad joke.Classy. :|
Looking good!
BWPS, agreed.
Also, I'm not one who usually cares too much about diversity in comics or the like (certainly not against it, but ambivalent), but I think it's really cool that we're going to have two major black superheroes in this movie. That's just awesome, and they didn't give any of the core Avengers short shrift in order to do it. That's a really impressive feat of craftsmanship.
That seems the right attitude to have. It's a nice bit of justice for fans and actors alike, without sacrificing story or making artificial substitutions between characters. (Nevermind for a moment what
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Falcon being the new Captain America
was all about when it happened, of course, or "black bad-bum Nick Fury" might have meant when it first hit the Ultimate Universe. At this point, after the fact, that is source material a decade old.)
Quote from: BentonGrey on December 03, 2015, 07:28:58 PM
Looking good!
BWPS, agreed.
Also, I'm not one who usually cares too much about diversity in comics or the like (certainly not against it, but ambivalent), but I think it's really cool that we're going to have two major black superheroes in this movie. That's just awesome, and they didn't give any of the core Avengers short shrift in order to do it. That's a really impressive feat of craftsmanship.
Exactly. It's just hard to put in word what this means to the thousands of black kids who were like me growing up. Into comics and not really minding a lack of diversity, but when you do get characters that reflect your background and culture it gives you a little more to attach yourself to. Falcon and Black Panther not only give black kids characters they can identify with, but they're completely story appropriate too. They're not trying to hard or shoe-horning blackness on characters that aren't, which rubs many oddly, rightly or wrongly. So this is good to see in more ways than one.
Shogunn, it's awesome to hear your perspective on that. I'm sure you're right. :D
So there is this:
http://comics.gocollect.com/priceguide/view/947517 (http://comics.gocollect.com/priceguide/view/947517)
Preview read:
When THE MANDARIN strikes at the United States with a series of deadly terror attacks, IRON MAN must take action! But can TONY STARK handle the pressure when he has his own demons to face?
So we could see the real Mandarin after all?
I would love it if we did, but that sounds suspiciously like someone mixed up the plot of Iron Man 3 with this...
Here's the latest rumor on Civil War - read at your own risk....
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As you may have know that there is talked about Spidey being in the movie. whether it's a cameo or what, we don't know. Rumor has it that the reason why he wasn't in the trailer was because he will be wearing the Iron Spider armor (the one Tony made for him). If you go to comicbook.com they have an article that says that Spidey's costume will use CGI, so this is a possibility.
So... apparently, someone has found a photo of a Lego catalog for 2016 that has a pretty BIG spoiler...
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http://comicbook.com/2015/12/17/captain-america-civil-war-lego-sets-may-reveal-giant-spoiler/
Apparently, Scott Lang's gonna continue down the path of the character and become GIANT MAN. Told you it was BIG.
Neat!
Well, about that:
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See Hyperion in the corner of that page? These Lego sets are partly based on the Avengers Assemble cartoon. Which, for those who aren't caught up, added Ant-Man as a regular in season two and revealed he was Scott Lang, who used the modern, movie-style costume in the cartoon. (he was originally used as a one-off in season 1 and was written as Hank Pym). See Falcon in the upper right corner, and notice how he's wearing white and red? Those are his colors in the cartoon. There was also a Lego Avengers Assemble tv special recently that combined the cartoon and the movies (the cartoon already tried to emulate the movies in a lot of ways), with some of the voice actors of the cartoons, but also Vision, Yellowjacket and Ultron. If I recall correctly it used the movie designs for a lot of the characters.
So just because Scott Lang's turning giant here doesn't necessarily mean it's going to happen in the movie. Doesn't mean it won't, but I'm just saying.
Hey, I had the same thought, SS, but that one scene seems to be drawn directly from the movie. It's possible, but I'm okay either way. :)
Quote from: Silver Shocker on December 18, 2015, 03:08:07 AM
Well, about that:
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See Hyperion in the corner of that page? These Lego sets are partly based on the Avengers Assemble cartoon. Which, for those who aren't caught up, added Ant-Man as a regular in season two and revealed he was Scott Lang, who used the modern, movie-style costume in the cartoon. (he was originally used as a one-off in season 1 and was written as Hank Pym). See Falcon in the upper right corner, and notice how he's wearing white and red? Those are his colors in the cartoon. There was also a Lego Avengers Assemble tv special recently that combined the cartoon and the movies (the cartoon already tried to emulate the movies in a lot of ways), with some of the voice actors of the cartoons, but also Vision, Yellowjacket and Ultron. If I recall correctly it used the movie designs for a lot of the characters.
So just because Scott Lang's turning giant here doesn't necessarily mean it's going to happen in the movie. Doesn't mean it won't, but I'm just saying.
Interesting... Good catch. However:
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Looking at the two pics you referenced, Captain America is in both. In the top left he's a lighter blow and in the bottom right he's a darker blue, which I would think is closer to his MCU costume. I assume. So I'm thinking it might be a different version. Maybe.[/quote]
Either way, I wouldn't put much stock in it just yet. Remember last year we had that ant man set that labeled a black ant looking character as "Hank Pym", and a bunch of people expected him to turn evil? Just saying, I wouldn't put much stock in Lego sets.
The main difference is that many scoop sites have reported that
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Giant-Man
will be in Civil War. If anyone wants the original source search "Joblo Civil War scoop" and read the one from april. It's months before any original detail was released and the guy was spot-on in which he said.
To follow up on some musings we were speaking about a few months back based on what was being reportedly seen...
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This is a MAJOR SPOILER... or not, if you're familiar with the material.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqt6t_Xmx1k&feature=youtu.be
But when we were talking about who was the reported "funeral scene" was for that was being filmed, it was for Peggy Carter. Chris Evans was actually in the shot, so that scene wasn't for Captain America, but Captain America: Civil War will actually BEGIN and END with a funeral, Peggy Carter's AND Captain America's. Moreover, three scenes were filmed with an actor literally/metaphorically picking up the shield; Sebastian Stan(Winter Solder/Bucky), Anthony Mackie(Falcon/Sam Wilson) and Emily Van Camp(Agent 13/Sharon Carter).
Quote from: Shogunn2517 on December 29, 2015, 07:23:30 AM
To follow up on some musings we were speaking about a few months back based on what was being reportedly seen...
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This is a MAJOR SPOILER... or not, if you're familiar with the material.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqt6t_Xmx1k&feature=youtu.be
But when we were talking about who was the reported "funeral scene" was for that was being filmed, it was for Peggy Carter. Chris Evans was actually in the shot, so that scene wasn't for Captain America, but Captain America: Civil War will actually BEGIN and END with a funeral, Peggy Carter's AND Captain America's. Moreover, three scenes were filmed with an actor literally/metaphorically picking up the shield; Sebastian Stan(Winter Solder/Bucky), Anthony Mackie(Falcon/Sam Wilson) and Emily Van Camp(Agent 13/Sharon Carter).
I'm still calling BS on this rumour, for a couple of very practical reasons
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- Chris Evans is still under contract with Marvel. His star has really risen during his time playing Cap, and I find it very unlikely they'd end that time any sooner than contractually obligated. Now, maybe they'll off him and then have some magic resurrection for Avengers Infinity War, but that puts a real dampener on whoever is supposedly taking on his mantle.
I actually think that's how they'll go with it.
Quote from: Shogunn2517 on December 29, 2015, 09:12:58 PM
I actually think that's how they'll go with it.
You never know.
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Probably the best Marvel movie to date, or at least top 3.
No spoilers from me here, just go watch it!
Quote from: detourne_me on April 30, 2016, 01:48:39 PM
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Probably the best Marvel movie to date, or at least top 3.
No spoilers from me here, just go watch it!
Thats nice to hear.Reviews have been pretty good so far.
Not for nothing...
But there was a thread started months ago...
http://freedomreborn.net/forums/index.php?topic=57546.0
Merged the posts together...
And a non-spoilers comment, from all accounts I have heard, we will finally be getting a Spider-Man that can be called amazing and spectacular.
And this movie just smooshed Batman V Superman's preticket sales record to be the highest of all time.
Lets see how many other ways it smooshes that film.
Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on May 03, 2016, 10:48:02 PM
And this movie just smooshed Batman V Superman's preticket sales record to be the highest of all time.
Lets see how many other ways it smooshes that film.
I can't wait! Eat it WB! :P
Quote from: Night Dragon on May 01, 2016, 06:16:33 PM
Merged the posts together...
And a non-spoilers comment, from all accounts I have heard, we will finally be getting a Spider-Man that can be called amazing and spectacular.
Thanks, and yes, he was even sensational.
Okay. Finally saw it. Loved it. However there were a few things I did not expect.
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This was not, and I repeat NOT an Avengers movie. It was not the movie where the Avengers get together and take down a big bad badguy and all their henchmen. Not that I was expecting it to be, it's just the focus was not the Avengers at all. It was very much a sequel to CA:WS and less of a sequel to A:AOA. More plot heavy than action heavy, but the action was pretty mind blowing! I'm definitely gonna need this on DVD to watch the airport scene in slow motion. Everybody was kicking arse. Scott was a nice touch, kept to what his character is. Spider-Man was waaaaay over the top, little different than the other two movie versions but really, really well done. Seemingly each had some time to shine and to see them rock. Finally saw the Vision use his powers the way you'd hope. The ending though... underwhelming? I guess. I expected more to happen. Expected maybe Captain America to die or go to jail or something to kinda shake sense into both of them but it ended with no real resolution. And no real Avengers. How can there be Avengers if it's just Iron Man and Vision? Unless Capt was going to continue with the Secret Avengers, him, Falcon, Scarlet Witch, Ant/Giant Man and Hawkeye... but then again he gave up his shield. But it was good though. Might have been slow in some parts. Maybe because I was expecting more action when it wasn't that kind of movie. Long though. Gotta wonder how do they go from where they are to Infinity War.
Just got back from seeing it, and thought it was pretty great. Despite all the Avengers, still very much a Captain America movie. More specific, spoilery thoughts in the tags
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The airport scene from trailers and such is amazing. Spider-man and Ant-man are great additions of levity and cool power use to an otherwise heavy movie. Neither Cap nor Tony are exactly in the wrong, and it was a much better handling of characters than the comic Civil War. I'm very curious who are the Avengers by the movie's end--I guess Rhody could still use his suit, Widow, Tony and Vision? I guess we'll find out in 2018(!), unless Spider-man or Black Panther have some details. I might comment more later; there's a lot in this movie to unpack.
i know most of you dont care,but I have to say it-If Sokovia was a stand in for Serbia(which it more or less was) that would mean Zemo was changed to a Serbian villain.Cliche much?
Quote from: Spade on July 11, 2016, 12:52:25 PM
i know most of you dont care,but I have to say it-If Sokovia was a stand in for Serbia(which it more or less was) that would mean Zemo was changed to a Serbian villain.Cliche much?
Sokovia isn't necessarily a stand-in for Serbia, but any of the eastern European countries screwed up in the wake of the collapse of communism. Much of the Balkans would fit the bill. What's the cliche about Serbian villains though? I can't think of that many of hand.
^Obviously you are not familiar with a lot of bad movies.Or the NCIS-verse.
Others could fit,but the usage of Serbian Cyrilic is a pretty big coincidence.Even the MCU wiki points that out.And The Twins backstory echoes NATO bombing of Serbia in 1999.
Of course considering the fact that Zemo WAS a Nazi, this is really moving down the cliche scale.
Quote from: BentonGrey on July 11, 2016, 04:45:46 PM
Of course considering the fact that Zemo WAS a Nazi, this is really moving down the cliche scale.
Well.movie-Zemo really only shares a name with comic-Zemo.Which I found a bit odd,because if you couldn't work in the characters backstory,why even bother using the name?
Thou,everything else aside,he does have more depth then other MCU villains,so points there.And as a normal person,he comes closer to defeating the Avengers then Ultron or Chitauri,which is impressive.
I suspect the reason they used the name is for, well... Thunderbolts moreso than anything. The changes to his character make him MORE likely to come up with that sort of plan than his 616 counterpart (Creating a team to eventually undermine the very concept of superheroes is well in line with MCU Zemo's MO).