Supergirl TV Series in Development (http://www.dcuopost.com/multiverse-news/supergirl-tv-series-in-development/)
I think the question here is, will it tie-in with one of the Live Action Universes
(Yes, "ONE OF" DC already announced that the Arrowverse is its own thing, same with Constantine presumably being in the same world Guildermo Del Toro's Justice League Dark Movie and the MOSVerse being its own thing, and the Shazam Movie to not take place in any established Earth)
I hope it's Arrowverse but I'm excited regardless.
Quote from: BWPS on September 10, 2014, 01:36:21 PM
I hope it's Arrowverse but I'm excited regardless.
I'm iffy about that because if she is in the same universe as Arrow & Flash, then will she still be as powerful or will they tone her down like they did Clark in Smallville?
Holy crap. Hasn't dc heard of over saturation?
They should hold off any more shows or announcing any more movies until:
A) the Flash proves to be a success (though this is almost a sure bet)
B) Constantine proves to be a success (this has the least stability in my opinion)
C) Gotham proves to be a success (I think this is about 50/50 here, batman sells, so do some actors, but how will fans like the continuity changes?)
D) Man Of Steel: Dawn of Justice: Some other contrived subtitle...proves to be a success. It probably will based on Batman alone, but will it make Avengers money, or even GOTG money (which overtook Iron Man 1 as highest grossing franchise opener for marvel)
Anyway, talk about putting the horse behind the cart.
I doubt we'll see this or titans anytime soon. Everyone in the TV industry is just trying to hop on the Superhero bandwagon, and TV's just about the only thing DC's gotten good press about.
CBS has picked up Supergirl. I wonder how they are going to do the show? Like Smallville?
Knowing CBS, it will probably be CSI: Smallville.
Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on September 19, 2014, 10:12:44 PMKnowing CBS, it will probably be CSI: Smallville.
LOL! Awesome. (I hate CSI-type shows, but I think the concept is hilarious.)
They could change the prefix to JSA and do a whole set of franchise series titles:
JSA: Smallville,
JSA: Midvale,
JSA: Central City, ... :P
First look at Supergirl's costume.
And she looks more like classic Supergirl than N52's"Armored-angry-Supergirl".
http://www.newsarama.com/23724-first-look-cbs-supergirl.html
I think it looks great. A smidge modernized, but not to a fault and still instantly recognizable to anyone who knows who Supergirl is. I'm impressed.
Not familiar with the actress so I can't speak to her acting but she has a good look for the character. I'm not much of a fan of Supergirl, though I liked her in the DCAU and the various comics I've read that she's appeared in. As such I'm not sure if I would watch this but it does look like it's off to a good start.
DC really is the Marvel of superhero tv shows (live action only these days, sadly). There seems to be no stopping them.
That's a fair looking costume, but it seems they are still terrified of color. That blue is so dark it is almost black. Still, it looks fairly classic, which is nice. My feelings are more or less the same as SS. I like the character in an offhanded way, but I wouldn't go out of my way to watch a show about her. I think it's fantastic that they're putting out a female led superhero show, though. It's rather shameful that this is hitting before they manage to put a Wonder Woman movie on screen.
I felt just like Benton about the colors (why the S-shield cannot have its yellow parts?! Why the blue is so dark?), but to be honest the costume is a lot better than I hoped. After the weird N52 version and the Smallville "No flight, no tights" take on Superman and Supergirl I was kinda of pessimist.
The designer who made the costume made the Arrow and the Flash costumes too and I think she really have a good handle on a mixing classic costumes with "modern sensibilities".
If she could learn that there are other hues than 'almost black,' I'd agree. ;)
Movie(or TV) superheroes wear black.Thats a trend set by X-men.
So darker colours were to be expected.
Im not sure it would be tied to Arrowvers,since existence of Supergirl would maybe imply there is also Supermen around.
Quote from: Spade on March 07, 2015, 06:40:13 AM
Movie(or TV) superheroes wear black.Thats a trend set by X-men.
So darker colours were to be expected.
Im not sure it would be tied to Arrowvers,since existence of Supergirl would maybe imply there is also Supermen around.
I don't think that it will be tied to "Arrow" and "Flash", since it's on a different network.
CBS partialy owns CW,so its possible.
Ah, I did not know that!
Then perhaps a crossover is possible? I doubt that it would happen, though. But with how much CWverse is growing, maybe if the Supergirl show does really well, then maybe, just maybe, it might happen.
Either way, I don't think that I would mind too much.
It was written into the contract with CBS that Supergirl characters could appear on the other shows and vice versa. They are popular enough that the producers can actually lay down conditions to doing other shows and networks will accept them.
Im kinda against that crossover.It just doesnt sit right with me.
Looks good to me. Surprisingly classic, but now that I know it was designed by the CW designer I'm less surprised.
I think the costume looks fine although, as a comic reader, I'm not really used to seeing Supergirl so covered up. I mean, even her leg between the skirt and high boots is covered.
I'm looking forward to potential crossovers with Arrow and The Flash (and, I guess, Vixen and the untitled new spinoff) ... I actually have quite a bit of respect for the way this "CW-verse" has been developed and executed.
Quote from: Starman on March 09, 2015, 04:56:58 AM
I think the costume looks fine although, as a comic reader, I'm not really used to seeing Supergirl so covered up. I mean, even her leg between the skirt and high boots is covered.
I actually have an answer for that. It's so they can discourage jokes about people looking up her skirt while she flies. And I
guarantee you there will be a joke about that at least once in the show. Flash already got a "Man of Steel, Women of Kleenex" reference out of the way, as did Smallville years before.
It looks like CBS is trying to have that same effect like the CW does
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lm46-envrHo
That show looks VERY CBSsie. It looks like Two Broke Girls meets Elementary with superpowers. I generally do not watch CBS shows. That's not to say I won't watch this. I can just see it getting really campy and goofy really quick.
But I can imagine from the first sentence we can assume this IS indeed in the Arrowverse.
Quote from: JeyNyce on May 14, 2015, 01:51:42 AM
It looks like CBS is trying to have that same effect like the CW does
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lm46-envrHo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lm46-envrHo)
(http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/146573/2792810-tumblr_lqwb2wKk4e1qcud1ho1_500.png)
So she has Olivers opening narration,but dresses like Felicity? :blink:
Coincidence? :)
Pretty sure we commented on this,but why is Jimmy Olsen black?
And why does this feel like a sitcom? :blink:
Quote from: Spade on May 14, 2015, 02:42:23 PM
Quote from: JeyNyce on May 14, 2015, 01:51:42 AM
It looks like CBS is trying to have that same effect like the CW does
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lm46-envrHo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lm46-envrHo)
(http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/146573/2792810-tumblr_lqwb2wKk4e1qcud1ho1_500.png)
So she has Olivers opening narration,but dresses like Felicity? :blink:
Coincidence? :)
Pretty sure we commented on this,but why is Jimmy Olsen black?
And why does this feel like a sitcom? :blink:
Because Jimmy Olsen's ethnicity matters zero to the character, and television needs another all lily-white show like it needs another hole in the head?
Okay...it just seems a bit of an odd change,thats all. :huh:
It matters less to me that Superman's pal is black, but that he's... studly? Charming. Well-dressed. Confident. Tall. My age. Actually, he pretty much IS me! And there is VERY little I have in common with the "character" of Jimmy Olsen. Moreover he's no longer a photographer but an art director for a major media conglomerate not based in Metropolis?
So his race is one thing. No big deal. But it seems like they changed EVERY THING else but his name. In fact, I thought that first guy WAS Jimmy Olsen. Eager. Preppy. Wide-eyed. Innocent. Happy. Chasing after Supergirl. That's what I think when I see Jimmy Olsen. Not a guy that I've seen playing hotshot professional athletes in Mechad Brooks.
Oh wait. They DID change his name. He's JAMES Olsen now!
Quote from: Spade on May 14, 2015, 05:01:20 PM
Okay...it just seems a bit of an odd change,thats all. :huh:
Oh and Spade, if you think "James" Olsen is odd being black...
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Apparently Hank Henshaw aka "The Cyborg Superman" is black as well, if I'm reading Wikipedia right. That might cause an issue if they decided to play with the "Death/Reign of Superman" storyline.
Wait...how?I mean,isnt...Didnt...
who...okay Im just confused now.
Hes a CIA agent,too.
And while I do understand why would older Jimmy be sort of a mentor,Im just confused about the whole character here.
I kind of liked that they switched the whole nerd/winner dynamic by making her the goofball and Jimmy Olsen the sexy guy. Not enough to be even remotely excited about any other aspect of the trailer, but I liked that part. Also I think they should make every character in everything some ethnic minority. White people have had their thousands of years in the sun. And it has done untold damage to our skin and egos. Also that NOT A BIRD NOT A PLANE NOT A MAN tagline just annoys me so much. I'll let The Mary Sue or whoever decide whether or not it's actually sexist, I'll just be annoyed.
Still gonna watch at least the first episode I mean it's a superhero show and it doesn't look as bad as Gotham.
Quote from: BWPS on May 14, 2015, 10:53:25 PM
I kind of liked that they switched the whole nerd/winner dynamic by making her the goofball and Jimmy Olsen the sexy guy. Not enough to be even remotely excited about any other aspect of the trailer, but I liked that part. Also I think they should make every character in everything some ethnic minority. White people have had their thousands of years in the sun. And it has done untold damage to our skin and egos. Also that NOT A BIRD NOT A PLANE NOT A MAN tagline just annoys me so much. I'll let The Mary Sue or whoever decide whether or not it's actually sexist, I'll just be annoyed.
Still gonna watch at least the first episode I mean it's a superhero show and it doesn't look as bad as Gotham.
I'm with you on a lot of that. Still think it's a weird dynamic switch, but that's something else. As far as what I expect, but don't want:
Like Gotham, I can easily see this show taking "Superman's Universe" and placing it on "Supergirl's Universe", much like what Gotham did for Batman and Gordon/Young Bruce. It's just weird to see all of these "Batman" characters show up 15-20 years before he's actually Batman. Not just showing up, but he's connected to these characters. Gordon, Harvey Dent, Harvey Bullock, Poison Ivy, Catwoman, Joker, etc. It just got too unbelievable(as much as a show based on a very fictional property can) for me. It stretched the mythology for too much IMO. Just the same, this will potentially do the same with some "Superman" characters.
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Already mentioned the Cyborg. But Toyman will also show up as well. And I'm afraid these characters will become products of a Supergirl-centric world and not Superman.
I mean, I'll watch. Maybe it will be good and maybe it won't screw continuity up so much, but I don't have so much confidence on that. Just saying.
I have to say that Kara is one of my favorite comic heroes. But, I am not very excited by the trailer. Too much of it has me suspicious that the writers are taking the uncreative, boring route - the route of writers who think, "The show has a female lead, therefore it must be a relationship drama with that lead obsessing about boys, worried about how she looks, etc." BTW, that route has been taken with Kara before several times in the comics, in series about her that generally failed.
IMO, there are periods of her comic runs when the character was best. And, by "best" I don't just mean she had the coolest costume or her powers were the most planet-smashing. I mean most interesting and compelling as a character, IMO. Those periods were when she was strong and independent. They include the times when she didn't wear the S because she was in Superman's shadow, but because she was proud to aspire to her cousin's example. They include when she was one of the heavy hitters for the LSH. And, of course, when things get serious -------->
That's not to say Kara should be an I'm-so-serious or brooding hero. That doesn't fit her hopeful and sunny nature. And, to be clear, I liked the Supergirl in the Timmverse's JLU. But, that was a much younger character. The TV series is showing a woman in her mid-twenties. And, she can snap a girder in two. Of course, she might be interested in some other character romantically. But, she has suffered real loss and carried on - she isn't going to be crying herself to sleep because some cute boy didn't notice her. She should have some force to her personality. That's not to say she's Amanda Waller, but Supergirl doesn't spend her time worrying whether her cape makes her butt look big.
That's not to say the TV show can't be great. Maybe it will be. I am just saying that the trailer was more reminiscent of the time in comics when Lois Lane's book had to have "Superman's Girlfriend" in the title. I'd much prefer this Supergirl (http://www.dccomics.com/comics/supergirl-2011/supergirl-37) to this one (http://www.cbgxtra.com/columnists/craig-shutt-ask-mr-silver-age/linda-lees-lousy-love-life-ask-mr-silver-age-cbg-1687-march-2012). | (http://www.stumpyanker.com/pix/DrLightOnKara.gif) |
The producer apparently said in his Variety interview that CBS has requested that this show remain its own separate thing for the time being. So it's not part of the same universe yet, although it still might cross over at a later time.
It won't crossover. Superman exists in this series and there isn't even a remote reference to aliens in neither Flash nor Arrow. They are seprate universes.
Quote from: Jimaras8 on May 19, 2015, 11:22:48 AM
It won't crossover. Superman exists in this series and there isn't even a remote reference to aliens in neither Flash nor Arrow. They are seprate universes.
Yeah, guess you are right. They will never be in the same universe much less will we ever see them on the same set together.
(http://media1000.dropshots.com/photos/1006240/20150519/b_091709.jpg)
Oh wait, I forgot that Arrow, Flash, Legends Of Tomorrow, Supergirl, and upcoming Titans series are all made by the same production studio with plans to unite everything down the road if ratings hold out.
No mention of aliens, eh? So if Ferris Aircraft was shut down for one of their test pilots missing.. He must have gone on vacation to Coast City with Oliver and Felicity to drink on the beach NOT taken by a Green Lantern ring. Plus Hawkgirl is on the Legends Of Tomorrow show.. she must have gotten her wings and weapons from a box of Cracker Jacks.
- CQ
Of course he does. However, he's not the Superman from Man of Steel. Yeah, Arrow and Flash have no mention of aliens, but Arrow barely mentioned Metahumans before they came on with The Flash. I understand them(CBS) wanting to do their own thing. For now at least. However, I sincerely doubt that intro is a coincidence at all.
However, if you are indeed right and Man of Steel, Supergirl and Arrow/Flash/Vixen/Legends are all separate universes, not to mention Gotham and the Titans series that's coming as well, this adds to my frustration with DC. Meanwhile Marvel has seven different television series and twice as many film franchises ALL within the same universe. And even the two franchises NOT in that universe are rumored to be in one universe of their own.
I mean, I can't be the only one that wished for this type of coordination since I was a kid. For properties to share characters in a shared universe. That's why the payoff for Avengers was so big. The potential for crossover and to mix audiences is always a bigger draw. Even audiences that are unfamiliar with the characters would expect some sort of crossover, especially if there's a Superman movie in theaters at the same time a Supergirl television show is on the air. But the reality is they have nothing to do with each other. Your average movie-goer's gotta be a bit confused about that.
QuoteYeah, guess you are right. They will never be in the same universe much less will we ever see them on the same set together.
That is merely a photoshoot for Variety because Berlanti is behind both shows. This is not a series set.
Has it been confirmed that the pilot is a) Hal Jordan and b) he went missing due to alien interference?. For all we know it would just an easter egg like Harley that means nothing down the road. As for Hawkgirl even if she is alien that doesn't mean that Kryptonians exist in CWverse. If Supergirl's timeline is parallel to Arrow and Flash and in Supergirl Superman is known to the world then it's really weird how no one from the other two series have mentioned him. The fact that Supergirl is made by Berlanti doesn't mean much since it's in CBS. Yes, i know WB partially owns CBS too but network crossovers are really tricky, so that adds to the prevention of it.
Even if the ratings are low if there isn't any single metion of the events that occur in the three series and there are different laws at play it will be really hard for the audience to buy it.
How do you know Marvel TV shows are all in the same universe?THEY TELL you,thats it, not show,but they tell you.
Ferris airfield was just an easter egg,I dont think thats gonna be a plot point later on.
Trailer shows that Superman existed,then disappered,right?
Arroverse never mentiones Supes,clearly establishing Flash as the first SUPERhero.So this isnt the same universe,as far as I can tell.
Well the fact that they tell you is almost as strong as actually show you. If for example in episode 3 of Supergirl says "There is also that speedster in Central City" wouldn't be almost as good as Flash showing up in the show? THey would have acknlowdged that they exist in the same world. Matt's father fought with Crusher Creel who appeared in Aos. Simmons has referenced Agent Carter as least twice, Hayley Atwell cameoed in AOS prior her own show. Sif, Fury and Maria Hill all have showed up in AOS.
Im all for show,dont tell approach.Like they TELL you that Punisher was the truck driver in WS,but did you SEE him driving the truck?But this wasnt about that.
If they really share the same verse,which seems kinda inconcivable at this point,then I would rather see Flash,then hear about him.
That and although no characters from the films have appeared in Daredevil, the events of the films are not only a backdrop, but a precipice for the entire series. Moreover, Ulrich's newspaper clippings of the Hulk and the the Avengers fights clearly show that those events happened IN Daredevil's timeline. More than that, Jessica Jones, which is filming now will have Luke Cage in it. There's no question, they're all connected.
Im not saying they arent.Im saying that for example,I would rather see person X in the show,then just hear about that person,or see it in the papers on the show.Well,that was meta...
Quote from: Spade on May 19, 2015, 03:06:14 PM
Im not saying they arent.Im saying that for example,I would rather see person X in the show,then just hear about that person,or see it in the papers on the show.Well,that was meta...
It's a big world. Of course everyone's not going to appear with everyone else. They are still in the same world, just different corners of it. The street level heroes in particular are dealing with mundane issues that the Avengers would never go near. Nonetheless the Avengers film is responsible for Hell's Kitchen being the messy crime-ridden place it is.
At any rate, it doesn't matter when anyone else says, the producer says it might crossover in the future and will if he can possibly work it out. Just not for the time being.
For now, though, then can be considered to be separate continuities. We should just leave it to the writers to figure out how to get things to fit together if they decide to cross them over.
If this is true, it would solve all crossover issues. We'll find out tonight, probably.
https://www.yahoo.com/tv/s/mega-buzz-flash-introduce-multiple-universes-235537448.html
Wow, that didn't take long. The pilot episode is already online. Was it leaked? Who knows.....
Quote from: JeyNyce on May 22, 2015, 03:50:16 PM
Wow, that didn't take long. The pilot episode is already online. Was it leaked? Who knows.....
Nobody really ever knows why they get leaked.. but a promotional teaser using popular songs unrelated to the show, cheesy ad slogans, and scenes totally out of context really made the pilot and series seem like a misfire but it was actually pretty good overall. It really shows why advertising needs to be supervised by someone connected with the show or they might chase off your audience before it gets on the air.
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Okay, It's not really a secret that Kara's escape craft went off course which is why she arrived on Earth later then Kal-El but it really helps explain why Jimmy.. err.. James Olson has grown up into a mature photographer/editor. Yes, It's possible that a nerdy intern (usually how Jimmy is portrayed in the comics during his youth) could grow up into someone that seems to be her own guardian angel with a connection to Clark. I've seen so many folks just go off on the show teaser because he was much older and not as nerdy as he should be. It just makes sense especially with Kara in Jimmy's role in this show.
- CQ
The pilot was pretty weak IMO.
Its a single camera sitcom,really.Also nonsensical in a few ways.
I havent seen the pilot, but im currently giving this one the benefit of the doubt. I like the idea that super heroes font have to be non stop action drama all the time. Its one of the reasons i liked Lois and Clark as much as i did, and really one of the reasons it lasted as long as it did. I suppose its all about balance though, and the Flash currently has that balance.
New characters announced at Comic-con. Spoiler warning (I guess?):
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Maxwell Lord and Livewire. (http://ca.ign.com/articles/2015/07/12/comic-con-2015-maxwell-lord-is-coming-to-supergirl?%20hub%20page%20%28front%20page%29&utm_content=5) Nice. :thumbup:
I wonder who would make a good Livewire these days?
The first picture of Red Tornado shown--and I don't like it. He doesn't look like a robot and the makeup frankly does not look good at all. The rest of the costume doesn't help.
http://screenrant.com/supergirl-red-tornado-iddo-goldberg-dr-to-morrow/
Oh, err... wow. That's, ummm... awful. I mean, come on. I know that they can do better. :(
It looks like they were trying to do what they did with Vision, but they had no idea what they were doing.
Quote from: BWPS on September 20, 2015, 06:29:51 PM
It looks like they were trying to do what they did with Vision, but they had no idea what they were doing.
Vision actually looked good. This does not. Trying to copy a multi-million dollar movie effect with a TV show budget is not a good idea in generally. Better to do something like a red Cyberman suit. Make him really look like a robot with a touch more humanity in the fact, but only just.
This is just ugly and terrible.
Wow...that is IMPRESSIVELY terrible. I didn't know it was the 80s again...
RT has a great costume, so this is all the more a shame.
I've seen better costumes at a Comic-con. And that's not a joke.
I'm actually excited about this series. I'm not sure how it goes against the Supergirl in the comics, but it looks likes it's gonna be a lot of fun to watch. :)
Not sure yet how the costumes of other characters that will appear in the show will have an effect on me. But so far by the trailer i've seen, her costume and the special effects looks good in my opinion.
Still not sure if I have any interest in watching this show (though early reviews have said that Melissa Benoist/Supergirl is the best part of the show, which was my opinion of the show to begin with) but I will say that the Canadian station that has the show is airing ads for it constantly. It really seems like they're trying to give it the best possible chance of starting strong.
From the watching the pilot, Melissa Benoist/Supergirl is the best thing about the show. Her whole "working with the government to fight aliens" seems a lot like Flash fighting meta-humans. She will probably have a "freak of the week" like Smallville did.
REMNIDER: Tonight is the premiere so mark your schedules or set your DVRs or update your subscriptions.
I thought it was good. Not great, but good and it could lead into great later.
Meanwhile the ratings were very good. They also cut across all the demographics, meaning whole families are watching this together. There really has not been many family shows in recent years, so this is a good thing.
I didn't like it. I didn't like the dialogue, i don't like how heavy-handed is the "girl power" theme, i don't like that Olsen is turned into a jock to appease female audiences and the supporting characters didn't make an impression to me. Effects are good and Benoist is cute as Kara but the show didn't grasp me. One thing that i'm tired of is writers telling me that she is girl and strong. Don't tell me, SHOW ME.
Tonight's episode made up for having a lousy looking Red Tornado
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http://comicbook.com/2015/12/08/supergirl-first-look-at-martian-manhunter/
This open up the series to introduce more stories and villains. hint hint Cyborg Superman
Yep, awesome reveal.
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He even looks like J'onn J'onzz. Great job by the creators.
I was always curious if this version of Hank Henshaw would become Cyborg Superman, since he obviously doesn't look like the actual Superman. Looks like they've gone in a very different, cool direction.
I'm just guessing but:
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I'm hoping that Hank Henshaw does come back as a Cyborg Superman/ Steel hybrid
Hey, that looks great!
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The CGI was a bit obvious, but forgivable for being a tv show especially since they nailed his overal look and got a design that makes up for Red Tornado. And for once we got a hero on the show that they didn't turn into a villain! They keep doing that. It's starting to annoy me a bit.
It defintely wasn't what I was expecting and put an entirely different spin on the character's secrecy and his past behavior. It's also very clever that every power they've shown him use until now is one that is shared by both Cyborg Superman and Martian Manhunter.
According to this article, they actually weren't planning that when they filmed the pilot. He apparently was going to be Cyborg Superman, but one of the producers commented to Geoff Johns that the actor would make the perfect Martian Manhunter and Johns told them to go ahead and do that, since they were planning a big reveal anyways. I must say that it turned out very well. One of the quotes from one of the producers also gives me heart that they will do justice to his character, namely" the most frightening-looking of all the Justice Leaguers and, yet, is the one with the purest heart."
They will also go into his backstory including the White Martians, so lots to look forward to.
http://screenrant.com/supergirl-tv-martian-manhunter/
In spite of all that, this still wasn't my favorite moment in this episode. The best moment, in the show so far, for me was
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Kara facing the looters without her powers and talking them down. That whole scene reminded me of the best of Superman and it felt right for Supergirl too. Right there is a real superhero. Right there is exactly what Man of Steel missed.
Some new news.
Laura Vandervoot, aka Supergirl on Smallville, will play Indigo(Brainiac 8)
They will also be doing their own version of "For the Man Who Has Everything."
Previously announced elsewhere was Bizarro Girl.
http://tvline.com/2016/01/11/supergirl-laura-vandervoort-indigo-cast-season-1/
It would be cool if they had Laura Vandervoot play Power Girl and then appear on the Flash as Power Girl again. I can dream.......
So I'm finally taking the time to catch up on Supergirl... I haven't been keeping up with it due to it not being on hulu, but it's a show I really do want to support. I'm still a bit behind everyone else (I'm mostly done with episode 6 now) and I reached an epiphany watching the episode I wanted to type out. I'm spoiler tagging for those who aren't caught up JIC, but again, if you're past episode 6 you're fine.
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So one of the biggest issues going in with Supergirl is, to a certain extent, the same issue that I have with shows like Agent Carter: While I absolutely do want a solid female lead superhero show out there, both shows feel this intrinsic need to somehow justify the fact that the lead character is a girl. It's much worse in Agent Carter's first season (where literally every guy in the show was a caricature of some form of sexism, and the show even pointed it out) but Supergirl has suffered much of the same pitfalls.
However, it's with episode 6 (the one with the lame Red Tornado plot) that I begin to notice the stuff that genuinely justifies Supergirl's existence. Throughout the episode, we have Kara dealing with her increasing frustration over all the little things going on in her life. It leads her to explode at her boss, who then takes her out drinking and tells her she needs to find the real source of her anger. And at first, we're lead to believe the source of it is her ongoing jealousy over James' relationship with Lucy Lane... which is such a cliche storyline for a female character to be going through I'm annoyed it's even a thing. However, she finally realizes the real source of her anger and frustration: Despite finally being able to show who she is in public, despite doing the right thing, she still can't have the normal life she wants.
And this is what, for me at least, justifies this show's existence. Kara coming to terms with her heritage, coming to terms with the idea that she can never be truly human... that's a core element of what makes Superman himself an interesting character. And while I have seen movie after movie and show after show try to capture that core idea, I have never seen it done as powerfully as it was in this episode. And unfortunately, a part of that is because of just how big an icon Superman is: because Superman has to be perfect. Superman cannot accidentally break a dude's arm because he's frustrated with his life, or punch holes in a car to let off some steam. People went nuts at him killing a dude to save people's lives, can you imagine the uproar over him going too far and breaking a random dude's arm because he's pissy that the girl he likes is dating another dude?
Smallville ran for over 10 seasons. It featured Clark acting tortured and alone and moppy and emo and basically every sappy soap opera drama they could cram into the character. But I never, not once, felt as invested in the idea of how his powers and life affected him as a character as I have in 6 episodes with a character that is happy most of the time. Maybe because I suffer with bouts of depression and anger myself, but I can relate to her anger and frustration in a much more visceral way than any amount of Smallville drama or MoS emo flashbacks.
Add to that the fact that this show has allowed us a really interesting look at James Olson, a character most incarnations of the mythos nowadays try to forget about, about his inadequacy issues being best friends with a dude that saves the world all the time... Yeah, I really do like this show now.
I really enjoyed last week's episode where ..
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SuperGirl's secret identity was almost exposed/revealed to her boss Ms. Grant.
But now this week's episode is just unfair. Maxwell Lord now knows who SuperGirl is, and might even know about Martian Manhunter's identity as well. :banghead: How are they gonna stop him now? Darn it. :angry:
So it turns out that Supergirl was temporarily canceled and replaced by the Martian Manhunter Show. Fortunately, it was quite good, depicting a very classic version of his origin while diving right into emotions of it all, especially anger and survivor's guilt.
And that is all I will say, but probably the best adaptation of the character's origin story ever.
Hmm...you know, I would probably actually watch a Martian Manhunter show.
Supergirl/Flash crossover officially announced and already filmed. To air in March.
http://screenrant.com/supergirl-flash-tv-show-crossover-episode-premiere-date/
Grah, Cat beat me to posting about this. I'm so excited for this crossover, and I'm curious to see where they go with it... Is this gonna be a world hopping Barry, or are they setting these shows in the same world, or is this the Supergirl universe's version of Barry... lots of questions, and I can't wait.
Well.... the Flash has only discovered Earth 2. I don't see how they explain getting to another Earth on her show... it's possible.
If you did not see the last episode on the Flash, a brief shot of Supergirl was shown as they crossed from one universe to another. Multiverse theory basically confirmed. How he'll get their, we don't know yet. My guess is, an accident trying to cross over or back to or from Earth 2.
Also, Grant's been posting photos from the shoot with the Supergirl folks. Here the two costumes together.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BBnzcDZgVPt/
Only thing I hated about the latest episode: A serious lack of
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"Burn"
So lately I've been streaming JL/JLU with a friend of mine (I'm alternating in some Flash as well, which he'd been enjoying) and we watched "For the Man Who Has Everything" on tuesday. Finally got to watching Supergirl today (it's not as easy to access since it's not on Hulu) and I just started laughing.
Quote from: Tomato on February 11, 2016, 05:17:51 AM
So lately I've been streaming JL/JLU with a friend of mine (I'm alternating in some Flash as well, which he'd been enjoying) and we watched "For the Man Who Has Everything" on tuesday. Finally got to watching Supergirl today (it's not as easy to access since it's not on Hulu) and I just started laughing.
CBS has it on their website.
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What i just don't understand is why James "Jimmy" Olsen now feels pressured to tell his girlfriend "Lucy Lane" about Kara and her secret identity. Truth and Justice? What happened to his loyalty to Superman? Might as well reveal his secret identity as well. Seeing that he doesn't want to lie to his girlfriend anymore. If he believes in what Ms. Grant of Catco also said. Might as well tell the whole world the "truth". :doh: :banghead: :wacko:
So the crossover with Flash was last night. Fun little episodes. A few thoughts.
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Supergirl's Earth (I'll call it Earth 3 for ease, although it wasn't called as such) has Central City, but no Star Labs or any of the associated characters.
Barry brings his knowledge of anit-meta tech to Earth 3. The police in National City at least can now lock up superpowered criminals safely.
I may be wrong, but I do believe the term Metahuman is now being used in Earth 3. Although they don't share Earth 1's origin.
I still have no idea what the device on Barry's chest was far. Don't think they explained it.
I'm not certain, but I think this ep is set a bit forward in time compared to where Flash is at.
Raggy clothed Livewire looked stupid next to fully costumed Silver Banshee. Couldn't have killed them to give them both costumes. At least SB looked good.
I was a bit disappointed that the fire department ended up beating the bad guys. It's kinda the point of a teamup for the good guys to win by working together, not for them both to lose and have to be rescued by random bystanders. I understand it completed the Supergirl storyline, but at the cost of the teamup's ending.
I like the scenes with Barry giving Kara advice. Everything about their interaction basically.
Has anybody else hear that the show was not renew for a second season?
Quote from: JeyNyce on March 29, 2016, 10:49:27 PM
Has anybody else hear that the show was not renew for a second season?
I've seen several items that say no word has been heard yet. This may be a positive spin to dead silence.
There's conflicting information on that. In early March, the CBS Ceo said all of their new shows this year are getting renewed. (http://ca.ign.com/articles/2016/03/08/cbs-head-indicates-supergirl-will-be-renewed-for-season-2)
It's not really conflicting information... the reason everyone is all "OMG the sky is falling, supergirl is being cancelled" is because CBS put out a list of shows being renewed on the 25th, and Supergirl wasn't on it... Despite the CEO stating on the 8th that all new shows were getting renewed. This has got everyone calling out doomsday prophecies for the show, which has been slowly dropping in ratings for awhile now, particularly the episodes leading up to the crossover (the crossover itself got HUGE ratings though). However, it could be a number of things, and nothing has come out saying the show is actively being cancelled.
And it seems like Supergirl has been renewed for Season 2--but on a different network, a lower budget, and a change in filming locations. Supergirl will now air on the CW alongside The Flash, Arrow, and Legends of Tomorrow.
In a basic sense I like this change. Having Supergirl in Vancouver with the other shows and on the same network should increase the chances for crossovers by 100% (it makes me wonder if they knew that back then if they'd have handled the crossover differently). The budget changes and move do concern me. We could lose cast members and I wonder what effect it will have on the special effects.
I quite enjoyed Supergirl. Glad it's continuing.
Now, in addition to less budget, filming in Vancouver is also cheaper, and the show is going to be wholly owned by Warner Brothers, rather than CBS licensing it for a fee. Those two savings may make up for the budget difference.
I know The Flash has done some pretty awesome special effects with their budget, so they may do okay.
It's been announced that Supergirl will be included in the big CW superhero crossover event, alongside Flash, Arrow, and Legends of Tomorrow.
It has been announced that Superman will actually be making a full appearance--Like not fuzzed out or from a distance or anything--during the first 2 episodes of season 2. The role has not been cast yet.
Kinda wish Tom Welling could get a chance. After all, we have a previous Supergirl, and a previous Superman with recurring roles in the series, so why not a previous "superboy".
A lot of people are hoping for Welling. I'd be down with it.
TOM WELLING! TOM WELLING! TOM WELLING!
That would make me so happy!
Yeah I want Tom Welling to do it too. We wuz robbed with that Smallville finale.
Glad to hear Supes is finally going to make a proper appearance in the show. Looking forward to it and glad the show's getting another season.
Yeah, I'd be down with Tom Welling, and I wasn't even a big Smallville fan.
You guys know what this means, right?
With Flash doing the whole Flashpoint thing, He's going to be resetting the DCTV universe and this will bring Supergirl in to the universe and with Superman coming, things are going get very exciting!
Justice League CW? I'm down for it.
The creators have said Clark will appear in the first two episodes of the season. I wonder if it might be a send off? Through Flashpoint or some other means Supergirl might transfer to Earth 1, and perhaps the creators want to get Superman in there before they have her leave. Just a thought.
Kal says he is going to check out Krypton's orbit to see if something is fishy, maybe? ;)
The series ended with an escape pod from Krypton arriving, so obviously whatever it is is something he wants to check out too, that's all. Besides, it only makes sense that he'd show up eventually. I think there's no use reading any more into it.
Yeah, I'm really in the group hoping for Krypto.
Lex Luthor is now also confirmed for the first two episodes. Joining the cast will be Lena Luther, Lex's sister, Snapper Carr, and the Science Police headed by a Maggie that may be based on the comic book police officer by that name. A head scientist from the Cadmus project is also being cast. All this makes me think Superboy is increasingly likely.
I listened to an interview with one of the Supergirl directors who said they had actually filmed a scene (that was not used) this past year (in the Fortress I think) that had a quick shot of Krypto's dog bowl. :)
Superman has been cast.
He'll be played by Tyler Hoechlin (https://www.google.com/search?q=Tyler+Hoechlin&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8)
Physically, I think it's a great match. That first picture of him on the Google summary really looks like Clark Kent with a beard. I'm not familiar with his body of work, but signs are looking positive.
Grumble grumble muh Tom Welling.
Ahh I was really hoping for Welling. I agree GG Hoechlin looks like a good match. Anyway really looking forward to Kal showing up.
A photo Superman has been released. (http://tvline.com/2016/07/28/superman-on-supergirl-photo-tyler-hoechlin/)
I quite like the top half. The belt looks strange but I'd want to see a different angle.
It looks pretty good, though I wish it had red trunks to break up all that blue. The belt isn't enough.
People seem to forget that the shorts aren't just underoos, they are a design element.
The pulp version of The Black Hood used 'em as athletic supporters. :)
Yep, they exist for specific real-life purposes, and for aesthetic reasons.
Superman looks terrible. Their faces looks like they were photoshopped on their bodies. His body and face looks skinny. A terrible match up.
Agree that the official 1st photo looks bit "off" (bad photoshop job?)
There are new set photos that (though blurry) look a bit better.
http://lrmonline.com/news/set-photos-and-videos-gives-you-another-look-at-tyler-hoechlin-as-superman-in-supergirl-season-two
The cape clips look unnecessary, the boots look clunky (one pic looks like he's thinking "God, that's a clunky looking boot"). I can't say I'm a fan of the textured costume; it looks like they are trying (and failing) to hide the fact that the is abundant padding under it.
The actor actually looks pretty good. None of the live-action Supermen (Reeve, Reeves, Allan, Routh, Cain) were big beefy men, and Hoechiln, while not a beanpole, isn't either.
C'mon; it would be nearly impossible to find someone who looked like a Neal Adams Superman...
Quote from: abenavides on July 30, 2016, 02:05:20 PM
Agree that the official 1st photo looks bit "off" (bad photoshop job?)
There are new set photos that (though blurry) look a bit better.
http://lrmonline.com/news/set-photos-and-videos-gives-you-another-look-at-tyler-hoechlin-as-superman-in-supergirl-season-two
Agree. The new set photos look much better now. His hair, face and body looks way better there.
Miss Martian confirmed. Also Mon-El. (http://ca.ign.com/articles/2016/08/11/supergirl-season-2-adds-miss-martian-and-mon-el)
NICE. I've wanted them to add Miss Martian to this show for a long time. Her teaming up with Supergirl will be a good fit. I wonder if she'll be anything like the comic or cartoon version or totally different. The personality, maybe not, but considering how good Martian Manhunter looks, they'll probably do a good job on her design. Casting a black actress makes sense, considering J'onn Jonzz, but will her true identity as a White Martian be adapted for the show? Considering they've already introduced them in the show, I'm guessing yes.
Miss Martian just makes too much sense, and her White Martian origin will also work well, plus it adds some drama with J'onn having to deal with having this member of the race that kills his around. Could be really good if done right.
Hmm, I see we have another race switch with a character, but this is one that totally works. Ms Martian being "black" makes as much sense as any other ethnicity, seeing as she's a shapeshifter. That's a nice, low impact way to add some diversity.
The guy doesn't really look like Mon-El to me.
I don't know if they're going for the subtle "she's a shapeshifter so it kinda makes sense that she could be black" angle. To me, I think she's black because the other Martian, the one of Manhunter persuasions, is also played by a black actor.
Hoping that you're right, though :P
Well, but that follows the same logic. And there have actually been some Martian Manhunter stories where he took on the identity of a black man. There's a good story to be told there about the ultimate outsider taking on the role of a social outsider in our culture, especially if they made it a period tale. I'm not sure if that's been done, but I sort of have a feeling it has.
Anyway, the point for Ms Martian works for J'onn himself, especially considering how many different identities he had over the years.
J'onn's been played by a black actor more times than white, be it live action or animation. Phill Morris in Smallville, Carl Lumbly in JLU, Kevin Micheal Richardson in Young Justice, I'm pretty sure the actor that voiced him in The Batman was black too. You could say it's a tradition and that longtime fans have come to expect. It might just also be that the deep voice all of those actors brought to the table fit the character.
The thing about M'gann (Miss Martian), is it's not just that she's a shapeshifter, it's that she's directly taking after J'onn. That's how it was in both the comics and Young Justice, if I recall . She was introduced in YJ as his "niece". I don't think it was explicitly said in the comics, just because J'onn was dead at the time. As soon as I saw the actress was black (half black, actually; I looked it up) I just assumed that'd be the story angle. Maybe in her human identity, she'll be "related" to "Hank Henshaw". Makes sense to me.
Not sure if Mr. Wood fits with how I think of Mon-El or not. Certainly, with straightish black hair, he'd look a bit more the part than he does in his IMDB portrait. There's lots of room for this to be fine with make-up and costume choices.
I will be pretty happy if the show writes the character with the same sort of introduction as he had in the early DC comics (e.g. Superboy #89). An amnesiac shows up with what look to be essentially kryptonian superpowers and some sign that he had met Jor-El, so Kal (or Kara & Co.) assumes he is kryptonian and possibly related. I think they could build an interesting arc around that.
They will have to either change or pretty much immediately mitigate the lead vulnerability aspect of the character. Even without tetraethyl lead in the air from leaded gasoline, lead is just too common in the modern world.
And, it would be nice if they could hold off on having him be a love interest for one of the show's other leads. Wishful thinking, I know.
In a CW superhero show? Yeah, the chances of that are pretty much absolute zero.
I admit I'm not as familiar with Mon-El, but the picture of the actor I saw looked fine to me. Though really, as much as the costumes evoke the comic designs, how often in these shows do the actual actors resemble the characters in the comics? Mellissa Benoist as Kara is really one of the better examples, and that's mostly the blonde hair. Ironically the guy who plays Winn would have been very well suited for the traditional Jimmy Olson. (which I'm sure was intentional)
Quote from: Silver Shocker on August 12, 2016, 12:07:40 PM
J'onn's been played by a black actor more times than white, be it live action or animation. Phill Morris in Smallville, Carl Lumbly in JLU, Kevin Micheal Richardson in Young Justice, I'm pretty sure the actor that voiced him in The Batman was black too. You could say it's a tradition and that longtime fans have come to expect. It might just also be that the deep voice all of those actors brought to the table fit the character.
The thing about M'gann (Miss Martian), is it's not just that she's a shapeshifter, it's that she's directly taking after J'onn. That's how it was in both the comics and Young Justice, if I recall . She was introduced in YJ as his "niece". I don't think it was explicitly said in the comics, just because J'onn was dead at the time. As soon as I saw the actress was black (half black, actually; I looked it up) I just assumed that'd be the story angle. Maybe in her human identity, she'll be "related" to "Hank Henshaw". Makes sense to me.
Yeah, and all of that makes it even more fitting.
Trailer for Superman team up. Like the interaction between the two that seems to be there. Should be fun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzcUrc529Po
I really like this show. I can't understand why it only gets 2-3 stars. It really is the "best B show," ever!
Well this week we got the Kevin Smith directed "Supergirl Lives", which apparently takes some story ques from the Kevin Smith-scripted Superman movie that never was. I'm not as versed in what those references are, but one part definitely stood out- a reference to a "Thanagarian Snare-Beast" aka Smith's sci-fi name for the infamous giant spider! :thumbup:
I'm liking the second season a lot, it "feels" more like a super-hero show than the first season, IMHO. I really liked their take on Superman, it felt more faithful to the classic version, but more "modern" than the Chris Reeve movies (while I love those movies I understand modern audiences would see that Superman as "too naive"). I'm intrigued with their take on Ms Martian, I thought she would be a kid like the comics and the Young Justice series and I was very surprised to see her as an grown up with no relation to J'onn. I'm kinda of... surprised to say the least with their version of Mon-El, he's a completely different character from the comic book hero, but he works as a counterpart to Kara's (and Kal's) "duty first" morals. I'm curious to see how they will manage them (Mon-El and M'gann).
I don't know....
I'm bored to tears with the whole Alex-Maggie thing. Partially due to how its being written and partially due to them casting an actress who looks more like Renee Montoya than Maggie Sawyer. Guardian's costume stinks. In particular the helmet design. And I'm actually missing Cat Grant. They also need to quick messing around and get Mon-El a costume already. Plus, its kind of obvious why the aliens at the end of the last episode are after him:
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He's actually the Daxam prince.
And they cast another former Glee cast member to play the villain in the Supergirl-Flash musical crossover. *Yawn* Guess they couldn't afford NPH, or he wasn't available or willing to do it.
Eh, it just won't be the same with anyone else. Plus I honestly don't like the idea of a musical episode. There's no need to force very show to be a musical for one episode. It worked for the Brave and the Bold, but this was a show where a major villain was a gangster with the head of a baby--so yeah. Bit different.
Although given that this is apparently one of the event the Flash is seeking to change, it looks like it will actually be plot relevant.
Twas a decent new ep. I don't expect much from this show. It really sticks to it's own. I'd like to see more Guardian.
So I'm catching up with shows finally (didn't watch any of them for the last few weeks) and even though I'm still an episode behind can I just say... Sodam being the Daxam Prince has been so telegraphed and unsurprising that I'm actually annoyed they haven't just gotten that "twist" over with yet.
And no, I'm not spoilering that. It's been so obvious and telegraphed that I literally was saying that since he told his "Origin". It does not, in any way, count as a spoiler when it is so blatantly obvious and telegraphed.
As for Music Meister... eh. I'll reserve judgement until I've seen it. That said, I get being disappointed by the lack of Harris, but Darren Criss is not a bad alternative. I've never watched Glee, but he was great in the Very Potter Musicals (seriously, they're up for free on youtube. If you're a HP fan, watch them), and I could see him playing well against Supergirl and Flash.
Tomato, are you sure you didn't mean to say Mon-El? Or is my knowledge of Sodam Yat lacking?
As for Music Meister, yeah, I'm disappointed it's not NPH (just as I was disappointed that Welling didn't play Superman) but I also in no way actually expected them to get NPH. He's a busy guy, he probably demands more of a paycheck then they're probably willing to spend for a guest spot, he just did that Lemony Snicket series (which he looks awesome in) and this isn't even the first time that character's been recast (that would be Lego Batman 3)
Speaking of Music Meister, pics of him have surfaced....and he's just a guy in a black suit. Well, that's disappointing. I was honestly expecting him to look fabulous like he did in Brave and the Bold.
In other Supergirl news, Teri Hatcher (who played Lois Lane on Lois and Clark) will play a villain role on the show, as will Kevin Sorbo, who I was surprised to learn almost got the role of Clark/Superman in Lois and Clark instead of Dean Cain. Also we're getting Mr. Mxyspklk soon, and from the description, unlike the version in Smallville, he's actually going to be a magical imp from another dimension. Madness! I kinda wish Gilbert Gottfied was still doing the voice though.
Blah, yes I meant Mon-El. When I first heard Daxamite character, my mind immediately went to Sodam Yat... and every so often I catch myself using that name rather than Mon-El.
Just saw the conclusion of Season 2. It was a GREAT season finale. Totally nailed it. It had action, drama, all sorts of element from all season being brought together. Superman came back, was still a far better version than the movie one, and yet did not take over the show. The only think I did not like is that Mon-El still did not put on a costume--even though he talked about doing so like half the season ago.
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And sadly probably now never will since Earth's atmosphere is now poisonous to Daxamites.
Just finished season 2. There are two many specifics to sort of complain about or sort of like. But, general impressions...
The show has been, to be honest, pretty marginal. But, I finally watched to the end of the second season. I wish that the writers could write a superhero show that's more a superhero show and less a relationship drama. I knew I was in trouble when my girlfriend said, "Alright, I am drama-bombed out. You are on your own for this show."
The last couple of episodes at least had a fair amount of action and a plotline that brought most of the threads of the season together. For some reason, the fight choreography fell apart sporadically. There is a reason people don't fight by throwing wide, arcing, straight-armed punches. It doesn't work. And, it looks silly on camera. It's too bad, too - many of the fight scenes were pretty good, given what I assume is a fairly modest special effects budget.
BTW, at the end,
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when Mon-El has to leave due to the lead radiation, was anyone else thinking, "They should send him into the Phantom Zone until they can get rid of the lead."? And, preferably, someone else says, "But, it might take a thousand years before someone figures out how to do that!" ;)
Gotta leave something for the season three or four finale...
Hehe. True, though I am a little doubtful the show will make it to season 4. I was actually a little surprised that no one even mentioned the Phantom Zone as an option, since it was part of that episode. But, they certainly have left Mon-El's story with plenty of room to go. Since this show can't really go more than a couple episodes without dating drama, I would guess that Mon-El will be back pretty quickly next season, or that Jimmy will be in her cross-hairs in short order (only to have Kara feel guilty about it, etc.).
A potential Easter egg for fans that I would enjoy would be for Kara to adopt a cat and name it Streaky. It doesn't have to have super powers, but just a normal pet with the name would be a nice touch.
The fan service will have gone too far if she winds up dating a part-time horse/centaur or a merman. :rolleyes: