First they kill off Wolverine and now Thor is no longer worthy of Mjolnir. Marvel is really shaking things up
http://www.theverge.com/2014/7/15/5901621/marvels-thor-is-now-a-woman
wow so marvel take they're big strong mythical male figure and turn in him into a blonde kick arse warrior women
i wonder what brought this on ohhh what could it be ohh wait
http://www.themarysue.com/the-mary-sue-exclusive-she-ra-reveal/
(http://www.themarysue.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/He-Man18exclusive.jpg)
sure its got nothing to do with this little nugget from DC last week. nope nope nope lol
That's a cool piece of art, TUE.
As for this announcement...yeah, I appreciate Marvel reminding me so often of why I don't read their books. :P This is pretty asinine.
Books starring female characters don't sell as well as the ones lead by men. By taking an established popular character, one with an already intact fanbase, and turning them into a woman, you weed out the "OMGZ NO! THOR CAN'T BE A GIRL! NOOOOO!" crowd from the main line, but people who aren't so ... judgemental ... and evaluate the quality of comics by actually reading them will continue to read. Whereas a Sif ongoing book or one based on a brand new female Asgardian character would not sell anywhere near as close to Thor, and would swiftly be cancelled. It's a clever way of letting a capable writer (Jason Aaron's run on Thor: God of Thunder has been great) get a female character into comics and keep them there.
Anyway, I'm pretty sure everyone here is familiar with comics and knows this won't be a permanent change. Plus, Thor has been a frog before and this is a brand new character (not just Thor transformed into a woman), so I'm not sure why this would upset anyone...
Thank you for being reasonable about this Starman!
I wonder if Thor is going anywhere, or will he be Donald Blake? We've seen previews with Sam Wilson carrying Cap's shield and someone looking like Thor carrying Jarnborn the Celestial Killing axe.
Did the Journey into Mystery title with Sif get cancelled?
From Marvel's website:
http://marvel.com/news/comics/2014/7/15/22875/marvel_proudly_presents_thor
Isn't this how we got ThunderStrike? She will get her own hammer one day and Thor will be himself again. But I would love to see her go up against She-Ra!
I like the move for a female Thor. Why not?
I find it interesting that Marvel does not have the same caliber of female icons in their universe like DC does with Wonder Woman, or Catwoman, or Supergirl, or ....
Er... no. Wonder Woman and Catwoman might be more well known (and to be fair, they've been around far longer) but... Storm, Phoenix, Black Widow, Captain Marvel, Wasp, Scarlet Witch, Rogue, Shadowcat, Emma Frost, Spider Woman, Lady Sif, Invisible Woman, etc. I don't think it's fair to say that Marvel doesn't have high caliber female characters.
Er.. yes.
Wonder Woman and Catwoman, as well as Supergirl and Batgirl, are iconic. They're past the world of comic books, they've become part of pop culture iconography. You can point them out to anyone in the world and most people would know who they are.
Who from Marvel is on that level? I didn't say the same level of quality female characters.. I said female icons.
Quote from: laughing paradox on July 16, 2014, 01:47:34 AM
Er.. yes.
Wonder Woman and Catwoman, as well as Supergirl and Batgirl, are iconic. They're past the world of comic books, they've become part of pop culture iconography. You can point them out to anyone in the world and most people would know who they are.
Who from Marvel is on that level? I didn't say the same level of quality female characters.. I said female icons.
I'm pretty sure that plenty of people know who Storm is, and maybe Rouge, but the others... eh, not so much.
Maybe Black Widow, but only because of the Avengers movie, and it remains to be seen if both the movie and the Widow will stand the test of time.
Hmm, I thought that this was just a gender-swap. If it's a different character taking up the mantle, that's less stupid.
So Thor finds out that he has a sister and then he loses his "worthiness" and another character takes up his mantle?
The plot thickens... :ph34r:
Quote from: detourne_me on July 15, 2014, 10:29:37 PM
Did the Journey into Mystery title with Sif get cancelled?
Yep, the series was cancelled with issue #655 (Oct. 2013).
They are changing Captain America too (again). They are trying to shake things up a bit, though I'm sure everyone will be back to their usual at the time for Age of Ultron.
Hmm...intriguing...curious to see how this plays out. Wouldn't be the first female Thor character though.
Decent chance it's Angela of course.
Not huge on the costume right now, but maybe I just need to see more of it.
This is brilliant!
I really have to hand it to Marvel for their concerted push to increase the diversity of their line up over the past few years. They're in the difficult position in that their main strength is a cast of characters created 50 years ago, and as a result are mostly white-male by default. If you're creating a new cast, diversity is relatively easy.
In the past couple of years they've:
- Pushed existing characters into the forefront, eg She Hulk getting her own book again, Valkyrie and Misty Knight in Fearless Defenders, Sif's run in Journey into Mystery. Black Widow and Elektra have their own books. Most importantly they haven't been deterred by cancellation of some of these books.
- Re-tooled figurehead characters eg Carol as Captain Marvel, now a female Thor
- Created new minorities characters, eg Ms Marvel, the new Ghost Rider, Young Avengers
I'm sure that Thor Odinson will hang around in the background, or in Avengers, and wield the hammer and be Thor again in a few years, but that doesn't invalidate what they're doing here. Progress occurs in steps. The X-Men used to be four white men and one white woman - that's almost unimaginable now thanks to Claremont's sterling efforts (even if the originals literally travel through time form the 60s to now :) ), and an all-female X-Men team was almost not worth commenting on. Hopefully the whole Marvel U will look more like the X-Books one day soon.
I've been meaning to pick up the Marvel Now Thor trades for a while. I'll be buying the new Thor title for sure, and probably track the trades down too now.
Hah, this response had me laughing:
http://ourvaluedcustomers.blogspot.com/2014/07/regarding-marvels-announcement-that.html
Rumor floating around that the new Thor is Jane Foster
This is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard about and makes Marvel look ignorant of its own continuity:
Thor Odinson is a PERSON. Mjnolir grants him POWERS. While I am fine with Thor being judged unworthy and someone else getting to wield Mjnolir, that person gains Thor's POWERS, they do NOT BECOME Thor. Thor still exists. Dumb, Dumb, Dumb.
Between this and Cap aging when the super-solider serum gets removed (despite the fact that it has been removed BEFORE with no ill effects) Im wondering why the hell Marvel even bothers with continuity, since I can keep it straight and they cant seem to.
As much as I disliked the NEW 52, starting over like that is really the only way to justify ignoring continuity on this scale.
Quote from: bredon7777 on July 18, 2014, 10:47:07 AM
This is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard about and makes Marvel look ignorant of its own continuity:
Thor Odinson is a PERSON. Mjnolir grants him POWERS. While I am fine with Thor being judged unworthy and someone else getting to wield Mjnolir, that person gains Thor's POWERS, they do NOT BECOME Thor. Thor still exists. Dumb, Dumb, Dumb.
Between this and Cap aging when the super-solider serum gets removed (despite the fact that it has been removed BEFORE with no ill effects) Im wondering why the hell Marvel even bothers with continuity, since I can keep it straight and they cant seem to.
As much as I disliked the NEW 52, starting over like that is really the only way to justify ignoring continuity on this scale.
Except, DC has their own continuity snafus because they didn't actually start over entirely. :P A truly blank slate would have fixed a lot of problems.
Someone else posted this on another forum and I thought it was such a good reason why this is so idiotic:
"This is the equivalent of saying that anyone who wears the Iron Man Armor becomes Tony Stark."
I'm on board with the " have to wait and see " to have any feelings towards. I'm projecting I won't care that much either way and I don't think it's a big deal really. I thought female Thor in Earth X worked very well. I agree with much of what Dr.Mike is saying here about Marvel making good strides to both promote equality and do it correctly within their publishing mainframe. The NOW Ms.Marvel is above the call of duty in regards to it's cultural dimensions. Though in the negative some of those books immediately failed. Fearless Defenders, a book which I myself sighed in public upon cancellation do to my fondness for it and on this site even wasn't in reality very complimentary and in many case more an example of selling stereotypes under the guise of understanding culture. Just stating the truth of the matter there, at a point the book got to a point of insinuating every woman is a lesbian including characters who were currently firmly established as hetero and in relationships with men at the time. It came off as degrading and milking the current heavy interest in diversity if only for the sake of it than complimenting and giving an honest understanding of a lifestyle choice to me. As well the book as I said I knew was doomed to fail because while I enjoy reading about characters like it's established bookworm hero as much I do reading Strangers In Paradise I'm part of a very small fraction of people that reads books like that. It's nice to have things out of left and take gambles but in the other hand also a risky proposition especially if it turns away a large portion of your long time consumers. And this is Thor after all. Carol Danvers being a woman isn't a shocking twist because she is one. Nor is her having a series as she consistently has for years. Same for She-Hulk. I'm not certain Black Widow nor Elektra having books is a testament to interest in diversity either as much as it is to having movie tie-ins to bring in film goers as new readership (which in itself is of course not a bad thing either). I'm saying there isn't really an aspect there but I'm not sure it's the companies core nor primary interest and hard to believe it would be since they are after all a company, meaning money and maintaining the product comes first and above all. Which brings me to Thor. I can't really deny that it doesn't seem like much else than a sales gimmick intended to plant media ear worms and turn people on to check out the book just to see what the news is about. A large reason I'm convinced is the fact that Marvel has often shook up Thor over the past years now and Loki for that matter as well and in those cases trying to generate interest and up the readership was the primary goal rather than to be prolific nor for the sake of art. Not as much a a denial against the idea that a proactive statement is being made with this move (though it really doesn't look at way to me any more than when Loki was a woman) but more against the idea that this is going to be a fantastic and inspiring piece of literature, rather I expect it'll read as sort of gimmicky and flat. Again we'll see and whose to say right now but I don't think it will be holding a candle to Aphrodite IX. Nor am I saying it will be trash either and sorry if it comes off like that, more just anything amazing. I'll read it anyways but I read anything I can get my hands as well a comic being a masterpiece isn't a prerequisite to my enjoyment of it.
Noting the bubble convo here as well I'm inclined to agree that Marvel has no iconic female characters. They have known characters but that isn't the same type of thing. In addition to the mentioned ones I can think of that are known and also liked by persons who don't read comics are Jean Grey, She-Hulk and surprisingly Spider-Woman. I've met plenty of middle aged girls that are aware of the character. See Spider-Woman had a cartoon series ages ago that's pretty much irrelevant now and I guess I underestimated the cult power of it myself. I don't really know of it and I'm not really old enough for it to be in my experience. I do remember having a 3d comic from I think some fast food place that was merch for it. Anyways though known and liked still there isn't any Marvel woman that are renowned and beloved symbols of femininity. Which personally I think is sad. That's not considering they have a good enough stable to draw from to turn one or more into an icon either. But added the fact that in this day and age they sort of have the support and resources of one of the industry leaders in creating iconic female hero's and getting in touch with girls, Disney, at their disposal and for that matter the makers of Barbie as well. There really isn't anything to hold them back from making it happen overnight if they wanted to at this stage of the game. It makes me think of something I said about their animated division before. They're stacked and ready to go and they have all the inventory, talent and characters to draw from yet where are the results? It feels like they have the comics (naturally), action figure and now live action areas down packed but the rest are neglected. I heard there's plans to bring some of the Women Of Marvel to Netflix which would get them some friends but making a world known icon does actually take a bit more than that and again things they're easily capable of right now. I do hope they prove me wrong sooner than later. As I do and like many of you hopes WB proves some things wrong as well. It would be nice if for any reason just to see the expansion of the craft itself and for the variety.
Quote from: SickAlice on July 19, 2014, 06:37:01 AM
Walls of text
Look, I'm not trying to be rude, but can you please stop with the walls of text? Because this isn't the first time you've done this. I still read through the whole thing, but honestly, you could have summed up what you wanted to say with much less text, and also make your message more concise and understandable as a result. Just, in the future, try to cut down on the rampant text, alright?
As for 'She-Thor', honestly, both this, Falcon!Cap, Smart!Hulk, (Did you know they're making Hulk smart again? They're making Hulk smart again. Whoop-de-do,) Superior Ironman, and the forthcoming death of Wolverine aren't all that surprising. It's just felt to me like Marvel's been out of ideas. They've been using the same continuity and have had these characters continue on for so long that they've exhausted their usual types of stories, and now Marvel's felt they have no choice but to go out of left field with some of these characters to make things 'fresh.' Cap gets stranded in a Pulp Fiction-Science dimension for a year; Hulk becomes an agent of shield; Iron Man goes off into space; Wolverine loses his healing factor; Spiderman gets taken over by Doc Ock, etc. They've run the gamut, and are desperate to think of 'new' things to do with these characters, to the point where they're using cheap gimmicks to boost sales. (Well, more than before, anyway.) Whatever happened to just telling good stories, rather than reliance on gimmicks and events? It's why I've been taking a break from modern comics, because I've just been disillusioned by the whole thing. I just feel it's all gotten too ridiculous.
I kind of agree with KKhoho, but I also disagree. I don't think Marvel is out of ideas, but I think they want to go left field with their heroes. Doc Ock being Spider-man was a great story arc and it didn't felt like a gimmick. I'm looking forward to the new Thor, not so much because she's a girl, but more about how did lose his unworthiness? Now stuff like Superior this and Superior that is just something that was a hit and now they're running with it. Let's face, Marvel is doing this one main reason.....to sell comics, and I have to admit that it is working.
The Thor thing is stupid because the male character's name IS Thor. He's a god, not a superhero. Yet they're going to call the female character Thor.
What's the deal with Superior Iron Man, though? Is Tony Stark being replaced by a villain, turning into a jerk, or what? I've seen the new armor design (I like it), but haven't heard anything about what's going on.
Quote from: GhostMachine on July 20, 2014, 09:49:36 PM
The Thor thing is stupid because the male character's name IS Thor. He's a god, not a superhero. Yet they're going to call the female character Thor.
What's the deal with Superior Iron Man, though? Is Tony Stark being replaced by a villain, turning into a jerk, or what? I've seen the new armor design (I like it), but haven't heard anything about what's going on.
The good news: he's not being replaced by a villain. The bad news: he's turning into a jerk. (
Again.) Seriously, we had evil 90's Tony, (Avengers: The Crossing,) Fuhrer Stark, (Civil War,) and now this. It's as if whenever Marvel isn't sure what to do with Tony, they just make him evil or a jerk and think that will somehow make the character more 'interesting.' Yeesh. <_<
I didn't see this is big news because Thor has been a woman before or at least many a woman has handled his hammer.
Quote from: thalaw2 on July 24, 2014, 12:20:01 PM
I didn't see this is big news because Thor has been a woman before or at least many a woman has handled his hammer.
...I honestly don't remember that being the case at all, outside of Earth X, which doesn't even take place in the main 616 'verse.
Off the top of my head...
Storm held it in one of the Annuals (the Asgard one - dang, Art Adams was amazing on that book - here's a shot (http://38.media.tumblr.com/1133fd9469281b98bb74f648a299f847/tumblr_mgdr20iMGg1r98mc7o5_1280.png)) I think she got it back once or twice after that.
EDIT: my bad, that was a different hammer.
EDIT 2: but she did wield it at one point according to this page (http://blackfemalesuperheroes.tumblr.com/post/40123556652/storm-goddess-of-thunder-stormcaster)
The whole Marvel vs DC of the 90's had Wonder Woman holding it, and supposedly that is in continuity.
Quote from: thalaw2 on July 24, 2014, 12:20:01 PM
... or at least many a woman has handled his hammer.
Phrasing!
I don't know why but some of these comments seems misogynistic. Thor has been a frog, a muscly ginger, an alien, and an artitect, but he can't be a woman? Also if it is good for a classic What If story (Thordis anyone), why is it a problem now - these are just that - stories.
Also if you hate it, just don't buy it. It really is that simple. No one wants to read your nerd-raging over something you probably don't even buy.
Ummmm... I'm not one to rain on your parade man, but I think you're seeing controversy where there isn't any. The reaction to the news has actually been pretty positive, and most of the "negative" comments are negative about the gimmicky nature of the change, rather than "eww, a girl lead in a Marvel book? I might get cooties." And again, for every one comment about that, there are 3 that say "oh cool, a female lead thor book. that's cool."
Quote from: GhostMachine on July 20, 2014, 09:49:36 PM
The Thor thing is stupid because the male character's name IS Thor. He's a god, not a superhero. Yet they're going to call the female character Thor.
Maybe they'll call her Thormomma.
*crosses fingers*
Quote from: Tomato on July 25, 2014, 01:43:55 AM
Ummmm... I'm not one to rain on your parade man, but I think you're seeing controversy where there isn't any. The reaction to the news has actually been pretty positive, and most of the "negative" comments are negative about the gimmicky nature of the change, rather than "eww, a girl lead in a Marvel book? I might get cooties." And again, for every one comment about that, there are 3 that say "oh cool, a female lead thor book. that's cool."
Thanks for telling me what I read.
Quote from: bredon7777
This is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard about and makes Marvel look ignorant of its own continuity:
Still feel the way though.
Apparently I have to, because you didn't actually read what they said:
Quote from: bredon7777 on July 18, 2014, 10:47:07 AM
This is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard about and makes Marvel look ignorant of its own continuity:
Thor Odinson is a PERSON. Mjnolir grants him POWERS. While I am fine with Thor being judged unworthy and someone else getting to wield Mjnolir, that person gains Thor's POWERS, they do NOT BECOME Thor. Thor still exists. Dumb, Dumb, Dumb.
Quote from: bredon7777 on July 19, 2014, 04:22:43 AM
Someone else posted this on another forum and I thought it was such a good reason why this is so idiotic:
"This is the equivalent of saying that anyone who wears the Iron Man Armor becomes Tony Stark."
These are NOT misogynistic comments. THIS (http://brianmichaelbendis.tumblr.com/post/61350829729/i-understand-trying-to-make-comics-female-friendly-but) is a misogynistic comment. Brendon's comment is hyperbole, and given that this is still the internet, you should recognise it as such.
Coming into a thread and just saying that people are being misogynistic is hurtful, just like if you called someone racist or homophobic. It's the equivalent of me coming in here and saying "AA is a big giant stupidhead because I don't like his face." People are not going to react well, and you need to be careful where and how it's used.
Now, anytime something like this comes up (and the same thing has been happening with Captain America being black) issues of race and gender are going to come up. And, to be fair, there are one or two comments that make me shake my head a bit. But you came in declaring THE ENTIRE THREAD misogynistic, whereas over 2 thirds of the posts have been positive about the book. I could have understood if most of the thread or even half the thread was bashing the book, but the comments you're referring to are so minor that it hardly seems worth the venom implied in your post.
As always you are missing my point. Thor is a fictional character who has been through a bunch of changes. The comments I read tried to give logical reason why a fictional character can't be a woman or wouldn't be the "REAL" Thor. It is like arguing whose Santa Claus is the most correct. It becomes daunting to constantly read the same nerd-rage comment any time there is a racial/gender change to their "favorite" character. The whole point of this change (which Dr. Mike's very enlightened comment put so well) is Marvel want to increase diversity to get new readers and hopefully tell better stories.
Whether I felt it was a causal misogynistic comment is completely my opinion -'nuff said. You arguing with me about it doesn't make you correct, it makes your opinion different.
As the person who made the comment, it has nothing to do with misogyny and everything to do with continuity. And I am very tired of people defending the mangling of continuity(which should be paramount) with casual accusations of racism and misogyny with little to no thought behind them.
I find it insulting you gloss over the point where I said I would be fine with a new God of Thunder in the Marvel universe who was a woman; hell if you want to do a reboot and make Thor a woman that would be also fine; double hell, if you actually want to make Thor into a woman, that's fine with me as well. I consider it extremely stupid that someone who wields the hammer becomes Thor(woman or no) as it is in direct violation of continuity. They do NOT become Thor, they get his powers. That's how Marvel themselves set it up to work. Claiming otherwise makes Marvel look stupid, IMO. And yes, it is stupid continuity violations like this that led me to stop buying Marvel comics.
Now, Ive given this more thought and I could see the people on Earth assuming she's Thor and calling her Thor because she has Thor's power. As long as in private they make it clear she has another name, which seems likely due to the fact that Thor Odinson will not only still exist, but be a supporting character in the book, this may be less stupid than I originally thought.
I am all for increasing diversity and bringing in new readers in SMART ways (though lets be honest, this is a cheap PR gimmick which will be reversed by the time Avengers 2 comes out). Mangling continuity is never smart.
As for not complaining about it if I'm not buying it- I'm sorry are you aware how the Internet works? I have as much right to complain about a boneheaded move by Marvel as you have to defend it.
But at least do me the courtesy of quoting my opinion and the reason why I think this is stupid accurately.
Quote from: bredon7777 on July 26, 2014, 02:48:59 AM
As for not complaining about it if I'm not buying it- I'm sorry are you aware how the Internet works? I have as much right to complain about a boneheaded move by Marvel as you have to defend it.
Yeah, folks have been dismissing opinions that they don't share with that type of logic lately, and it doesn't wash. These are discussion boards, they exist for the purpose of discussion. We shouldn't completely condemn a story we haven't read/watched, what have you, but we certainly don't have to have seen the finished product to talk about or express an opinion on a particular creative choice. That is more or less the reason that this section of the boards exist, so we can talk about stuff going on in comics and movies.
I haven't really seen anything misogynistic so far in the community's responses. In general, we're a pretty level-headed and fair-minded group, so I'd say it's best to give something that may cause you to raise an eyebrow the benefit of the doubt. If you're concerned, why not ask them for clarification before jumping to a negative conclusion.
There's no reason to be rude if we happen to disagree, gents, so let's moderate our responses to one another.
QuoteIt becomes daunting to constantly read the same nerd-rage comment any time there is a racial/gender change to their "favorite" character.
:thumbup:
bredon7777, I'm not sure what your opinion is here. It was mentioned early in this thread and in the related news articles that this is a brand new female character using the superheroic moniker of Thor, as well as taking his powers. She's not replacing Odin's son Thor in the Marvel Universe ... he will continue to exist as a character.
QuoteSomeone else posted this on another forum and I thought it was such a good reason why this is so idiotic:
"This is the equivalent of saying that anyone who wears the Iron Man Armor becomes Tony Stark."
I thought the equivalent would be that someone who takes on the role of Iron Man and wears the armour can use the superhero moniker Iron Man. The only difference is that Thor's birth name and superheroic name are the same ... I don't think that is a massive issue.
QuoteYeah, folks have been dismissing opinions that they don't share with that type of logic lately, and it doesn't wash. These are discussion boards, they exist for the purpose of discussion. We shouldn't completely condemn a story we haven't read/watched, what have you, but we certainly don't have to have seen the finished product to talk about or express an opinion on a particular creative choice.
BentonGrey, if someone says they dislike something they haven't even read, makes huge generalisations or persistently pushes an uninformed opinion ... personally, I find those people's opinions difficult to take seriously and their posts exhausting to read.
Quote from: Starman on July 26, 2014, 04:51:43 AMBentonGrey, if someone says they dislike something they haven't even read, makes huge generalisations or persistently pushes an uninformed opinion ... personally, I find those people's opinions difficult to take seriously and their posts exhausting to read.
So long as they talk about the concept itself, I think that it's perfectly valid for somebody who has not read the series to express their distaste in the event.
However, if that person starts making remarks on how the writing is bad without having even read the story, that's where you run into issues.
For example (I'm just using this whole Thor shindig as an example), somebody could see the news that Thor is being replaced and say "Not again! Why do they do this stuff so much!?" and I would be perfectly fine with it. I wouldn't necessarily agree with the opinion, but the stance is perfectly valid. However, if the story has been out for quite some time and that person has not even given it a read, and they say "The writing to this story is so tasteless! Look how right I was about this!", then yeah, that's just some hot air, right there. :P
I'm just going to see where it goes. If the reviews are good enough and if I have enough money, I might check it out.
Personally, i don't mind it much. I've seen this kind of gender change tactic enough times to become used to it.
I'm with Dr. Mike in that i would like to see some diversity from either Marvel or DC. But sometimes i think this is just a safe way yet lazy way of diversifying or increasing their character line ups. It's just reusing the same all iconic characters they already have over and over again. If they really want to increase and diversify their selection of characters, i just think that they should try inventing and creating new characters instead. Having their own names, look, powers, and stories of their own. But if she would be called She-Thor, i guess that would count her as a new ( though not a very original one at that ) character. Just like what happened to She-Hulk, Red Hulk, War Machine, Venom, Scarlet Spider, Batwoman, and so on. If that would be the end result, sure ok why not.
Sorry to drop this but maybe it will break some of the aggression in here. Anyone read She-Hulk #5? Anyways in sort of a related subject Herman Schultz aka the Shocker had this to say:
Spoiler
...leading in from Herman telling Jen about the rating system where thugs classify certain hero's into groups...
Jen: " Thors? There's only one Thor. "
Herman: " Nah. Lots. The fat one with the red beard, the hot blonde gal, the weird one with the horse face. "
Jen: " Those guys aren't Thor. That's Volstagg, and Valkerie, and..."
Herman: " Yep. Thors. Trust me. They're all Thors. "
Lol, just thought that was funny considering. And hey, Word Of God there and canon. I'm not one to argue with Herman usually so I guess that's the mantra now. Or at least something I'm considering printing on a bumper sticker. Anyways sorry for the interruption, have fun peeps.
Quote from: Outcast on July 26, 2014, 05:37:16 AM
Personally, i don't mind it much. I've seen this kind of gender change tactic enough times to become used to it.
I'm with Dr. Mike in that i would like to see some diversity from either Marvel or DC. But sometimes i think this is just a safe way yet lazy way of diversifying or increasing their character line ups. It's just reusing the same all iconic characters they already have over and over again. If they really want to increase and diversify their selection of characters, i just think that they should try inventing and creating new characters instead. Having their own names, look, powers, and stories of their own. But if she would be called She-Thor, i guess that would count her as a new ( though not a very original one at that ) character. Just like what happened to She-Hulk, Red Hulk, War Machine, Venom, Scarlet Spider, Batwoman, and so on. If that would be the end result, sure ok why not.
I realllllly hope that they don't just call her "She-Thor". That takes the fun out of a new character being introduced. I would really like a clever name to come out of this. It gets boring when female characters are just named after a titular male character. Yeah, some heroines under genderswapped monikers have made it quite well (Supergirl, Batgirl, She-Hulk, etc.), but it just feels lazy.
"Don't go for something new if you aren't going to put a good amount of effort into it."
~Somebody wise
@SA
Hahaha! I love that! That is gold, right there! :P
*shrug* Addressing Brendon's post (I meant to do so ages ago, but the thread had moved on to other things... but since it's kinda come up again anyway) While it's perfectly fair to say that whoever holds Mjolnir does not become Thor Odinson, it IS established since the original continuity that whoever wields the hammer possesses the power of Thor. And in the early comics (and many modern ones) whoever wielded the hammer actually became Thor. So there IS basis for this in established canon which you're overlooking.
And lets be honest... much as we might rave about continuity, no writer in the history of writing has EVER put continuity above telling a good story, nor (realistically) should they. If "canon" gets in the way of say... having a female protagonist in a Legend of Zelda game, then you change the rules so that can happen. I stopped caring about continuity back when I realized I was only reading books that had nothing to do with major crossover events purely because I was scared about following all the continuity. Continuity is a storytelling device, a way of leading readers into newer and better stories, it should not be shackles to which stories should be tied.
Quote from: SickAlice on July 26, 2014, 05:51:23 AM
Sorry to drop this but maybe it will break some of the aggression in here. Anyone read She-Hulk #5? Anyways in sort of a related subject Herman Schultz aka the Shocker had this to say:
Spoiler
...leading in from Herman telling Jen about the rating system where thugs classify certain hero's into groups...
Jen: " Thors? There's only one Thor. "
Herman: " Nah. Lots. The fat one with the red beard, the hot blonde gal, the weird one with the horse face. "
Jen: " Those guys aren't Thor. That's Volstagg, and Valkerie, and..."
Herman: " Yep. Thors. Trust me. They're all Thors. "
Lol, just thought that was funny considering. And hey, Word Of God there and canon. I'm not one to argue with Herman usually so I guess that's the mantra now. Or at least something I'm considering printing on a bumper sticker. Anyways sorry for the interruption, have fun peeps.
That was a great bit. The new She-hulk run has been fun.
Right on Talavar and SA!
That's how I look at it too, I'm assuming that civilians in the marvel universe might say the same thing as shocker.
When people talk about different athletes, I just say "yup. They are sports players"
http://io9.com/heres-what-thor-will-look-like-now-that-hes-no-longer-t-1609140391?utm_campaign=socialflow_io9_facebook&utm_source=io9_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
So it's Thor and Thor Odinson...go figure
Yeah Thor Odinson is still around. He becomes unworthy of his hammer somehow and this new woman (might be an existing character) takes up the hammer and gets it's powers. We don't know the context of why she's called Thor though. Everything I've heard so far sounds as if it fits well with established continuity.
How exactly did Thor end up not being worthy of Mjolnir?
Or has that not been explained, yet?
Quote from: spydermann93 on July 27, 2014, 05:52:30 PM
How exactly did Thor end up not being worthy of Mjolnir?
Or has that not been explained, yet?
Hasn't happened yet. He'll be unworthy by or during the AXIS event which starts in October I think. New Thor is after or during AXIS.
Quote from: Podmark on July 27, 2014, 05:53:57 PM
Quote from: spydermann93 on July 27, 2014, 05:52:30 PM
How exactly did Thor end up not being worthy of Mjolnir?
Or has that not been explained, yet?
Hasn't happened yet. He'll be unworthy by or during the AXIS event which starts in October I think. New Thor is after or during AXIS.
Ah, ok.
I thought it would happen after Original Sin because he open the 10th world to get his sister
And Marvel continue to show their dedication to building up their female cast by getting Greg Land to draw Spiderwoman in a new ongoing! What could possibly go wrong? :P
Seriously, fingers crossed that he and Dennis Hopeless (who I don't know at all) do a good job. After all, Ed Benes was a brilliant and somewhat unlikely pairing with Gail Simone on Birds of Prey, and that was fantastic. :)
It was JLA/Avengers that was in continuity, Marvel vs DC wasn't if it was they would have referenced it in JLA/Avengers, if you're wondering how JLA/Avengers is canon, the Krona Egg is later used in a later storyline and the Avengers are referenced, albeit not directly