http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/09/25/gotham-batmans-commissioner-gordon-getting-fox-tv-series
Not to be outdone by Marvel(which technically they are not only not being done, but well ahead), DC and Fox are getting together to make a new television series based in Gotham City. However, instead of featuring Batman, the series will focus on a young Jim Gordon before Batman(presumably after Thomas and Martha Wayne's death) and "the villains that made Gotham famous".
I guess this would be imagined as a cop drama that has super villains in it.
Guess it could be good... Something of a GCPD: Central, assuming they handle it well.
Ehh, sounds weak to me.
Heh they stole my idea! I had this idea a couple of years ago, though mine wasn't a prequel and would have occasional appearances by Batman. Basically Gotham Central the series.
I think this could be a great idea. I hope they can pull it off.
So, this is Gotham Central the series ... pre-Batman? So super crime existed before Batman arrived in Gotham?
This sounds lame.
Neither Rucka nor Brubaker have anything to do with it, so I could see it being more like Year One focusing on Gordon, maybe Essen too.
Rise of Harvey Dent as DA?
More details have emerged. If done well it could be good, but has too much possibility to drag on and become to focused on the not yet heroes and villains. This was one of the issues with Smallville too.
http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethebox/2014/03/gotham-foxs-pre-batman-drama-gets-a-logo-and-synopsis.html
Hmm, logo's not bad, I suppose.
Is this part of the Arrowverse? Because if it is, it'll have a Green Arrow, a Flash, and a Batman on it, which is a good start for a world-building plan of some sort. Next: Wonder Woman?
Quote from: vorelliwiseau on March 12, 2014, 10:32:14 AM
Is this part of the Arrowverse? Because if it is, it'll have a Green Arrow, a Flash, and a Batman on it, which is a good start for a world-building plan of some sort. Next: Wonder Woman?
Nah, different TV stations. This will be in FOX, Arrow is on CW. Anyway, good casting for the most part. My main issue is that Selina looks much older than Bruce, other than that it looks promising.
Have to wait and see I guess, lost interest in Smallville in later seasons. Agreed with what cat said, don't like the not yet element of characters (I mean in Smallville, Clark met his entire rouges gallery before even becoming Superman).
Yeah I have no idea why they didn't just make it a Superman show after a few seasons. The Blur? wtf?
I also don't understand why they won't just make this a Batman show. Wouldn't that draw in a bigger crowd? I really don't understand the trend of making shows set in superhero universes about regular people.
Quote from: BWPS on March 12, 2014, 03:16:51 PM
I also don't understand why they won't just make this a Batman show. Wouldn't that draw in a bigger crowd? I really don't understand the trend of making shows set in superhero universes about regular people.
No, they won't do that. The top class heroes make way too much money in their own films right now for them to put them into TV shows. Making it a prequel avoid this issue, so a single version of Batman can go on to rake in the dough at the box office.
As for having ordinary people in a superhero universe, that's not such a bad thing as you seem to think it is and has been done well quite a few times. It just seems to be a struggle to make it happen well in television. Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. seems to be slowly finding the right balance, however, and others may soon follow.
Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on March 13, 2014, 12:23:08 AM
No, they won't do that. The top class heroes make way too much money in their own films right now for them to put them into TV shows.
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Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on March 13, 2014, 12:23:08 AM
As for having ordinary people in a superhero universe, that's not such a bad thing as you seem to think it is and has been done well quite a few times.
When?
Quote from: Kommando on October 04, 2013, 12:49:47 AM
Actually this interests me, and might have a modern Dick Tracy vibe.
That was my thought, like it wont be much of what I like about Gotham but could still be a good show.
I think the problem is that all the DC stuff always gets re-invented. All the Cartoons are super loyal to the stories, but the movies and shows are all over the place. That is not necesarily a bad thing (adaptation is a necessity) but often misses the mark by a mile.
I also wish'd they'd go for a Gotham Central-style direction for this.
An HBO mini-series, maybe? "From the dusty mesa, her looming shadow grows..."
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Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on March 13, 2014, 12:23:08 AM
No, they won't do that. The top class heroes make way too much money in their own films right now for them to put them into TV shows.
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Perhaps we could, but WB is dead set against it, for some reason. They even banned all Aquaman and Batman characters other than the title characters from the Justice League series because there were other things being developed from them. Normally licensing would also be an issue, but never in the case of DC and only rarely in the case of Marvel.
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Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on March 13, 2014, 12:23:08 AM
As for having ordinary people in a superhero universe, that's not such a bad thing as you seem to think it is and has been done well quite a few times.
When?
Capes, Gotham Central, Agents of SHIELD is rapidly getting there, Steelheart, although that's a special case (superpowers in that universe turn anyone who has them evil, so the good guys are all ordinary folk) There are others, I am sure, but I can't think of them right now. To me, it's an interesting subject. Obviously not so much to you, since you're often complaining about people doing it. I'd like to see more, though, if done well.
Pics of young Bruce, Selina, Gordon and Bullock
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-abpKgeCXVfY/UyxqvHsDdRI/AAAAAAAAAh4/clRVoA7TOHY/s1600/Selia+Kyle+and+Bruce+Wayan+Gotham+Set+Photo.jpg)
(http://oyster.ignimgs.com/wordpress/stg.ign.com/2014/03/gotham-mckenzie-gordon-set1.jpg)
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(http://simplysupermanbatman.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/gordon-bullock.jpg)
Having Bruce in this show, especially so young really gives me pause. I really wonder what they'll be doing with him.
Official Gotham Trailer! (http://www.dcuopost.com/multiverse-news/official-gotham-trailer/)
Looks okay so far, so long as they stick to crime drama in a world that might become that of Batman some day. They have to have an end game in mind from the beginning and stick to it, though. No Smallville style of dragging things out and making it a Superman show without making it a Superman show and keeping it going long after he should have worn the tights. This show should be limited to about 5 years and should end no matter what at that point, with Bruce running into the world to begin his training and Gordan either becoming comissioner, or else being put in some position of authority. They could perhaps stretch it out a bit longer during the time when Bruce is away, but no more than that.
We'll see, I guess.
I actually suspect this will be a quite a good show ... I like the actors and showrunner involved, and the fact it looks a bit more serious than "Arrow". Plus I'm sure everyone will dig the Easter Eggs. The fact that the show's run will end with Bruce becoming Batman is also a major hook.
HOWEVER, I cannot help but wish they'd done a straight up "Gotham Central" series about cops investigating super crimes ... ala Agents of SHIELD, that tied in with the upcoming Ben Affleck Batman. That would have been amazing and I'm puzzled as to why it wasn't attempted. Greg Rucka's comic series had some fantastic storylines and only featured a smattering of cameos from Batman, and the concept of having the TV series exist in Zack Snyder's DC universe has already been tested by Marvel.
I guess there won't be any cross overs with Arrow. LOL! The trailer looks more interesting than the original Arrow trailer. I'll give the show a watch.
Saw the trailer. Looks promising but the fact that this show will air on Fox is a red flag. Fox does not have a great track record for letting shows find their legs before cancellation.
I'll keep my fingers crossed that this one slips past their cancel hungry executives.
Entertainment Weekly released these photos of the cast the other week and I thought they were well done.
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Still not too sold on the show. I see them rather wanting to move too fast on Batman's timeline, which would, IMO hurt the show or move slowly and have it become a cop dram in a fictional city with some rather intense fictional characters. It's a pretty large canvass that they can use, there's no need to rush it IMO. Still a little bothersome that they decided to go so EARLY in the timeline to begin with.
Ivy Pepper? Is that supposed to be Poison Ivy?
I really don't understand this show. Why is Bruce Wayne a cast member? So we can have 6 seasons of him not being Batman? With its focus on the cops and most of Batman's Rogues Gallery, it's either going to be a show about a perpetual downward spiral, or make Batman look irrelevant. I just don't get it I guess....
Anyone else creeped out/amazed on how young Selina looks exactly like Michelle Pieffer?
I think there's a lot of potential for this series.
Like showing the Rise then Fall then Rise again of Penguin
The relationship between young Bruce and Tommy Elliot
THE RED HOOD GANG
The origin of Black Mask
Court of Owls(?) and Talon
Maybe the Court of Shadows?
Young Zsasz and how he became like that
Wonder when this pilot will leak?Judging by now,we can expect it soon.
Quote from: BentonGrey on July 03, 2014, 03:04:25 AM
Ivy Pepper? Is that supposed to be Poison Ivy?
It would seem so. I'm curious about that, but I'm guessing they've decided on a take that is removed from the traditional Pamela Isley and opted to use a separate character. Doesn't preclude Isley showing up either.
I'm looking forward to this show. If I don't worry about the timeline or anything like that I see a lot of potential for a drama. I do wonder how they'll use young Bruce Wayne. How will they find enough material for him as a regular?
Urg...that's just the type of thing that bothers me. :P
I kind of wonder if they're planning a time skip for the second season. Maybe show Gotham grow progressively more corrupt as throughout the first season, then have the second season introduce Batman about ten years after the first season took place.
Time skips are quite the thing in TV these days.
Pamela Isley doesn't really have any childhood stories in the comics, as far as I'm aware. She didn't even have an origin when she first appeared in 1966 (as Lillian Rose) and only got a supervillain origin in the late '80s (as Pamela Isley) via character reboot written by Neil Gaiman. Anyway, it's possibly that Ivy Pepper could change her name to Pamela Isley down the track ... we'll have to see when the show actually starts.
Time jumps would be nice, but it would mean recasting all the child actors.
I wonder what character Sara Paxton is going to play?
I believe the creators have said that the show starts with Bruce losing his parents and will end with him becoming Batman. Can't remember if they meant leaving Gotham or returning. Either way I wouldn't expect the kind of time jump you're thinking of captainawesome, but you never know.
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Quote from: BentonGrey on July 03, 2014, 03:04:25 AM
Ivy Pepper? Is that supposed to be Poison Ivy?
You realize she may very well grow up to be Dr. Pepper?
:doh:
I don't really see the appeal of this show but OK. Smallville at originally conceived at least had some interest to me but dragged on way to long and too much stuff that should have been Superman stuff happened in it. The original concept was sound though.
Things kind of have to get worse or at least not better as the show progresses to need Batman also.
I think they need some hard and fast rules.
No supervillains. Ever.
Bruce Wayne remains a supporting character. Period.
The main thing that worries me is that we have too many future supervillains showing up too soon for this to stay away from that sort of thing. I'm okay with the Penguin, who's just a deformed gangster after all, but it should focus on gangster and other more common criminals. Supervillains should only really show up at the very end of the show and probably just one in particular.
Carmine Falcone should be the main villain since he was around before Batman was. Penguin should be on of Falcone men who secretly wants to have his own gang. Catwoman could be Falcone's illegitimate kid who steals from him, but he doesn't know it. They can go into so many directions if they have a good writer
Dollmaker definitly since hes Gordons archenemy(sort of).
The Good. The Evil. The Beginning - Gotham Trailer (http://www.dcuopost.com/multiverse-news/the-good-the-evil-the-beginning-gotham-trailer/)
Crappy trailer, terrible premise, not excited at all.
Quote from: BentonGrey on July 04, 2014, 03:31:56 AM
Urg...that's just the type of thing that bothers me. :P
You and me both.
They've at least explained Ivy's name change now.
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Ivy Pepper is an orphan who apparently will get adopted over the course of the series and will have her name changed at that point to the now familer Pamela Isley.
Saw a trailer during the 'commercials' section of the trailers at a movie theater...
I'm having a hard time getting excited about this too.
Gotham Coming to Netflix (http://www.dcuopost.com/multiverse-news/gotham-coming-to-netflix/)
So... I just watched the first episode.
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I'll be honest, I wasn't really looking forward to this show, at all. Much as I love Batman, the premise of this show is... kinda meh. But having sat through the first episode, I'm reasonably impressed... I expected much of of the titular "Gotham" to be a watered down version of its comic counterpart, but it was actually surprising just how dark they took things. I do feel like they're being a bit heavy handed with the nods this early on (Penguin and Bruce were integral to the narrative of the episode, but we also got Selina Kyle, Eddie Nashton and... UGH... "Ivy Pepper" all shoehorned in the first episode as well) so I still worry about the series' longevity, but it was a good introduction and I'm interested in seeing more, which is more than I could say going in.
It's not a bad show. By the way the first episode went, it kind of reminded me of year one from Gordon point of view. You don't need Bruce and I really don't see the point of have Selina in the show either. To me the real stars of the show are:
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Enigma & Cobblepot. Enigma had a bit part on the first episode but he nailed the Riddler. While I agree with Tomato about rushing Cobblepot story, I think he is going to play a big part of the show.
I also would like to know how long can they keep the going if they rushing to show us all of the characters
The dialogue was a real ear-grinder ... there was a lot of exposition, with Bullock and Gordon having some clunking lines. One of Jim Gordon's first pieces of dialogue is literally saying something like "What is your name? My name is Jim Gordon". Also, there was a relationship involving Montoya and another character that had me wondering why it was even included.
Aside from that, it was an interesting first episode for a show about Batman that doesn't actually feature Batman ... it definitely has the potential to be a good DC universe crime procedural and there are plenty of gangster-ish Batman characters that could be introduced later down the track.
Quote from: JeyNyce on September 23, 2014, 12:35:34 PM
It's not a bad show. By the way the first episode went, it kind of reminded me of year one from Gordon point of view. You don't need Bruce and I really don't see the point of have Selina in the show either. To me the real stars of the show are:
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Enigma & Cobblepot. Enigma had a bit part on the first episode but he nailed the Riddler. While I agree with Tomato about rushing Cobblepot story, I think he is going to play a big part of the show.
I also would like to know how long can they keep the going if they rushing to show us all of the characters
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I liked Riddler, but again, my issue with having him in the first episode is that he ends up getting sidelined into this "spot the character cameos" list because of just how much is already in this episode. I would have enjoyed his inclusion much more had we cut out the pointless cameos of... UGH... Ivy Pepper and Selina Kyle (who was awesome for about the first thirty seconds, but her being there during the Wayne murders was silly, and she didn't really do anything else for the entire episode.) but right now I'm just waiting to see what they do with him in the next few episodes as basically the series' Abby Sciuto. And for goodness sake, turn down the riddles a bit... he was onscreen for like two minutes and every other line of dialogue was him trying to slip riddles in there. We get it, he's the Riddler, you don't need to shove that in our teeth.
BTW in this show is Bruce a kid or a teen? I just ask because I see all the batman rogues, but in the commercials they only show Bruce at the age he lost his parents. So in this world is EVERYONE 10 - 30 years older than Bruce Wayne? No wonder he can beat up all his foes once he becomes Batman...
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I don't know exactly how old Bruce is supposed to be, but Selina Kyle is about the same age and... UGH... Ivy Pepper(Yes, I am making that a thing. I HATE that name change, it's absolutely stupid) is actually a bit younger. Even Cobblepot and Nashton, who are about the oldest of the rogues so far, are only late teens/early twenties... maybe 10 years older than Bruce, tops. Even Gordon looks like he's only mid-twenties(maybe 15 years older than bruce), and the age difference between the two has been much larger in some comics.
Quote from: Starman on September 23, 2014, 12:48:18 PM
The dialogue was a real ear-grinder ... there was a lot of exposition, with Bullock and Gordon having some clunking lines. One of Jim Gordon's first pieces of dialogue is literally saying something like "What is your name? My name is Jim Gordon". Also, there was a relationship involving Montoya and another character that had me wondering why it was even included.
She's gay.
And Barbara's probably bi and they had something going on. That Gordon doesn't know about. Picked that up like 3 seconds after she knocked on the door.
I enjoyed it, but I had decent expectations for this show and it didn't quite meet them. Good start though. I like Gordon, and most of the cast seems interesting.
My biggest concern is what will the show be about long term? We know the end game going in, and most of the principle characters are part of that end game, so what can be done over the show's run? That's my big question right now. How much can we do with Cobblepot before he really becomes the Penguin? What can they do without compromising Selina, stuff like that. I guess it's the same question that Smallville faced, but at least with Smallville the star was the real star. Here it's Gordon instead of Batman. Could work out, we'll have to see.
Also Alfred was a little bit of a jerk. Wasn't expecting that.
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Quote from: Starman on September 23, 2014, 12:48:18 PM
The dialogue was a real ear-grinder ... there was a lot of exposition, with Bullock and Gordon having some clunking lines. One of Jim Gordon's first pieces of dialogue is literally saying something like "What is your name? My name is Jim Gordon". Also, there was a relationship involving Montoya and another character that had me wondering why it was even included.
She's gay.
And Barbara's probably bi and they had something going on. That Gordon doesn't know about. Picked that up like 3 seconds after she knocked on the door.
Yeah, dude ... I was trying to avoid spoilers for people who hadn't watched the episode yet, since it was kind of a surprise :rolleyes: Also, I was wondering why they made Barbara Gordon and Renee Montoya former gay lovers, which seems gratuitous. It's weird that James Gordon and Montoya are involved in a love triangle with a woman.
Ya, Montoya is gay in comics, so they stayed true to source material. Her being with Barbara was unexpected though.
I liked the episode, a bit too many name drops for my taste. I like the cast, and I really want to see more. There's prolly gonna be some soap opera moments with Barbara/Montoya and Jim, and especially when they introduce Sarah Essen, but I guess its normal thing on cable :)
Def want to see where are they going with this all in all. Had relatively low expectations, but it was def better than i thought it would be.
So I watched this late last night on Hulu and really enjoyed the show, and I look forward to seeing what happens in the next episode. The problems that I have with the show, I believe, are because it is a Pilot episode. Pilots almost always suffer from the same problems. Remember this episode was used to pitch the show. Of course they are going to name drop every character they can and try to make those who have a say in programing see why this show can work. I bet a lot of our complaints will be toned down in future episodes.
I hope Oswald, Nigma, and Spoiler
that comedian (who received way to much attention not to be important... whether he is Spoiler
the Joker
I have some thoughts on some of the things being discussed on here, but I am going to hide them behind spoilers. Don't click if you haven't watched. [/b]
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Barbara Gordon is going to be one of the best characters on the show. I think a lot of people might be missing that she is, along with Fish Mooney an original character for the show. What I mean by this is that she is not Gordon's wife when Batman is cleaning up Gotham. I think this is going to be a story that gives us some insight into how Commissioner Gordon became the dedicated lawman of Gotham. Most people are jumping on the bi-sexual indicators... but what if that is to throw off fanboys? I mean, average Joe didn't get that when they watched the episode. What if it was a Red Herring. What if Barbara has a more sinister past, and one that will ultimately lead to her death. Most likely in a way that saves Gordon or Gotham. I think her name is another indicator. Commissioner Gordon will one day have a daughter that he will name after his deceased fiance'. I'm thinking Barbara Gordon will be a very big player in this show.
Ummm... Stream?
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Barbara Gordon was Gordon's first wife. She was present during Batman Year One, and she's also the reason Gordon named his daughter Barbara... mainly because
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He felt guilty for cheating on her with Sarah Essen and effectively ending their relationship. She still lives in the comics (or did... n52 being what it is I'm not sure) but moved to Metropolis with their son.
Quote from: Starman on September 24, 2014, 05:09:51 AM
Quote from: Shogunn2517 on September 24, 2014, 03:02:48 AM
Quote from: Starman on September 23, 2014, 12:48:18 PM
The dialogue was a real ear-grinder ... there was a lot of exposition, with Bullock and Gordon having some clunking lines. One of Jim Gordon's first pieces of dialogue is literally saying something like "What is your name? My name is Jim Gordon". Also, there was a relationship involving Montoya and another character that had me wondering why it was even included.
She's gay.
And Barbara's probably bi and they had something going on. That Gordon doesn't know about. Picked that up like 3 seconds after she knocked on the door.
Yeah, dude ... I was trying to avoid spoilers for people who hadn't watched the episode yet, since it was kind of a surprise :rolleyes: Also, I was wondering why they made Barbara Gordon and Renee Montoya former gay lovers, which seems gratuitous. It's weird that James Gordon and Montoya are involved in a love triangle with a woman.
Lol. Sorry.
Since we're relatively early in this thread and the show just started, I would like to make a suggestion. Since Gotham isn't necessarily about Batman, but more of his past and the world he grew up in, perhaps we could all have an understanding that not everyone is going to have the same amount of knowledge regarding the history of the Dark Knight. Being that the character has been around for 75 years and retconned multiple times, it would be impossible for someone to know everything about him. I imagine it would be the duty of those with knowledge of the Batman to determine whether something is spoiler-worthy or not when answering someone's question or responding to an incorrect supposition. I would also argue the other way as it would be a fair assumption that if something has happened in the comics years ago, then it doesn't need a spoiler. Although, it may be that those without a deep knowledge of Batman may want to watch the show and have things revealed to them for the first time. Who knows?
I'm not trying to hammer on anybody either way, but being that were just getting rolling in this thread, we might want to keep some things in mind.
I have to chime in on this one.
While I always enjoyed the few Batman books that I did pick up, I will emphasize the word "few". I am not going into this show being very knowledgeable about many of the Characters, and I would appreciate things placed in Spoilers, especially if it would help avoid spoiling an episode or plot line. "Gotham" is really giving me, and maybe others, a jumping on point, and while I do like to see what others think AFTER the episodes, I would kind of like to avoid, if possible, being told what others may already know because of their familiarity with the Characters.
I just watched the first episode and I thought it was pretty good. If they keep the focus on Gordon's secret fight against corruption in the police department, it could be a good show. If they get too distracted with throwing out Batman References, it could all fall apart. We shall see.
For now, I like Gordon's portrayal and am interested in where things will be going.
*shrug* if I feel information concerning the comics could potentially spoil plotlines in the show (such as the potential fate of Barbara Gordon) I'm gonna spoiler tag it just to be safe. As Cyber correctly points out, not everyone knows every little detail, just like not everyone has read the Game of Thrones books (and we all basically agreed those should be in tags).
Quote from: Tomato on September 24, 2014, 04:09:00 PM
Ummm... Stream?
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Barbara Gordon was Gordon's first wife. She was present during Batman Year One, and she's also the reason Gordon named his daughter Barbara... mainly because
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He felt guilty for cheating on her with Sarah Essen and effectively ending their relationship. She still lives in the comics (or did... n52 being what it is I'm not sure) but moved to Metropolis with their son.
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Well that is a sucky reason to name your daughter after an ex!
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Seriously, my idea would make for a better story than naming your daughter after someone you cheated on. Gordon just dropped a couple notches on my hero scale. Can you imagine explaining to your daughter that she is named after the gal you were shacking up with before you met her mother, and the only reason you named her after the ex was because you felt bad... (I hope you are reading this as a comical rant... Now I'm just thinking about deleting it... Nah.)
Ugh, well, after reading what folks have said so far, I feel even better about not being interested in this. This show sounds like precisely the kind of story that I wouldn't enjoy. Incorporating terrible elements from the comics while preparing to rend continuity limb from limb, yay! :P
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I looked it up actually, and I was a bit mistaken on that... though it doesn't help that the whole thing has been retconned about 20 times. Originally Batgirl-Barbara was adopted during her early childhood by James and Barbara Gordon after the death of her parents, which was later changed so that she actually might have been James' biological daughter because James had a thing with his brother's wife (wow, Gordon REALLY had issues keeping it in his pants), but then even that was finally retconned out in the n52 and Babs is currently his first child with Barbara Sr. Comic Books!
Seriously though, it's not often I can honestly say "thank God the New52 retconned this nonsense out" but there it is.
Thanks Tomato. I've actually been very confused about Barbara's origins for quite some time. Just hadn't gotten around to researching it.
Man, really surprised at some of the reactions to the pilot. I didn't even finish it as it was the worst show I'd ever seen. The acting and dialog was atrocious all around, and the show has some usually good actors. And just seeing Him run into every single shoehorned in character was so silly.
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When he goes to Poison Ivy's house and she's there with all the house plants. It's so painfully corny. I didn't watch much after that.
I mean this was really bad, I hated the premise but I think the execution was even worse. I love Batman but I'm definitely going to be skipping this one and I hope it gets canceled quick because they really ought to be ashamed.
I'm thinking this was just a way to get all of the comic fans into the show. He guys, we have so-so and this person and who's that over there? Now that has been establish, I hope they concentrate more on the story now and not just try to cram Bats rogue gallery into the show.
Fair enough about the spoilers. Will def watch for those in the future.
This reminds me when I spoiled Winter Soldier's identity to a friend who I was watching the movie with, thinking that his identity was common knowledge lol.
Eventhough I don't like so many friggin' cameos crammed into one episode, I kinda get why they did it. Jey pretty much explained it.
But not sure how someone thought that Mario and Ivy Pepper sounded like a cool idea.
Quote from: JeyNyce on September 25, 2014, 01:11:30 PM
I'm thinking this was just a way to get all of the comic fans into the show. He guys, we have so-so and this person and who's that over there? Now that has been establish, I hope they concentrate more on the story now and not just try to cram Bats rogue gallery into the show.
Eh, I think that saying "this is a batman show" would have done that just as well, and I felt like the constant references in the first episode were more of a turnoff than anything else. Having rewatched it just now with my dad, the whole scene with... UGH... Ivy Pepper contributed nothing to the overall plot of the episode, and in some ways actually dragged the episode down and caused it to not be as tight as it should have been. It's not horrible, mind you, but I do think they'd have been better served spacing that sort of thing out and focusing more on the narrative.
And for the record, if anything, people I've talked to have avoided the show because they're afraid of all the constant references. So if the idea was to get more people engaged... you kinda backfired there.
Hey, not be be totally and shamelessly promoting my own stuff (although I totally and shamelessly am), but I wrote like 1200 words on the Gotham pilot, if anyone's interested in checking it out.
GOTHAM Season 1 Episode 1 – "Pilot" [Review] (http://www.nerdoverload.com/gotham-season-1-episode-1-pilot-review/)
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I think I mean this in a good way, but this show is kind of corny. I know it based off Batman continuity and Batman is notorious for over the top characters and visuals, but this is kind of pushing it. I'm not going to go as far as BWPS, but a maniacal Fish Mooney, a weak pushover yet psychotic Penguin. These figures having a lead role in an Italian mob family. And then there was the duo today. That coupled with a decrepit very low-tech police station... in a modern American city? Maybe if this was the 70s or even the 80s. But it isn't. It's just hard to buy.
I was expecting(or hoping) for something different than what I'm getting.
After watching tonight's episode I still say that Bruce and Selina are not needed in this show.
The show is pretty much exactly what I was expecting, but I was following the press for it pretty regularly.
I like it so far. It's not blowing me away but it's keeping my attention. I found Penguin quite engaging in this episode, he's probably my favourite character right now, but that could change quickly. My least favourite is Barbara, she seems like she's from a different show.
It's too much, I can't see this making it pass 2 seasons
http://screenrant.com/gotham-season-1-comic-villains-trailer/
i've only seen two episodes and there is potential. i just dont like them bringing in every villain. nigma and copplepott i can see as its a great way to see them rise and fall.
but now they've annouced, zasz, freeze, scarecrow and dent. so if bruce is what 10 that means every villain in batmans gallery is 10-15 years older than him. i said ages ago this would be the problem with the show, you cant escape the shadow of the bat and clown
Quote from: Kommando on October 27, 2014, 07:53:22 PM
I watch it. I enjoy it. Not going to say more since this seems more of a Gotham bashing thread than a discussion thread.
Not bashing, but it's a bit too much. It's like Fox is trying so hard to make all the Batman fanboys happy that it's a bit overwhelming. I think the way they should have done it was to have the Waynes murder be the end of season one. The other characters talked so much about them and the things that they have done for Gotham, but you feel like, So what, they dead. It would've mean more if they let us get to know them before killing them off.
Quote from: Kommando on October 27, 2014, 07:53:22 PM
Not going to say more since this seems more of a Gotham bashing thread than a discussion thread.
Same reason I rarely participate in "Superman sequel will feature Batman" thread....
Its a good detective show,and its not a Batman show at all.Once you gett over that,its pretty enjoyable.Ok,not that sold on Alfred...