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Interesting. Ultron makes for a great villain, and very different from Loki, but I don't see how that plays into Whedon's comments about making a "more personal" Avengers movie for the sequel, when Hank Pym isn't even on the team.
Also, I hope this has nothing to do with the recent comic event of the same name, barring the villain.
Well I'd expect that Hank will be in this one. Whedon wanted him in the first one anyway, just couldn't find room.
Good choice for villain.
Hank could possibly be in it pre-Antman with the Antman movie following after the Avengers.
If Pym isn't in it, though, I will be upset.
Quote from: Talavar on July 21, 2013, 03:35:42 PM
Interesting. Ultron makes for a great villain, and very different from Loki, but I don't see how that plays into Whedon's comments about making a "more personal" Avengers movie for the sequel, when Hank Pym isn't even on the team.
Also, I hope this has nothing to do with the recent comic event of the same name, barring the villain.
how is it not personal, no matter how he comes into being be it by pym alone or a combo of pym/stark/banner. the idea is the avengers have created they're own villain. they are responsible for ultrons existence
and they have confirmed its only the name of the arc being used
I'm super excited about the villain, and I'm also really happy to hear that this is only a title, and not an adaptation of the event. TUE, yeah, I think you're right. This could certainly be a personal story. I also hope we get Hank Pym, but I really hope he's in it as Ant-Man, though that seems radically unlikely given the Ant-Man movie's insistence on using the second guy, who I could care less about.
Perhaps they plan on having Pym as Ant-Man in Avengers 2 (perhaps being introduced in a different movie before that) with the events of the movie causing him to quit and leading to the next Ant-Man.
Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on July 21, 2013, 04:51:07 PM
Quote from: Talavar on July 21, 2013, 03:35:42 PM
Interesting. Ultron makes for a great villain, and very different from Loki, but I don't see how that plays into Whedon's comments about making a "more personal" Avengers movie for the sequel, when Hank Pym isn't even on the team.
Also, I hope this has nothing to do with the recent comic event of the same name, barring the villain.
how is it not personal, no matter how he comes into being be it by pym alone or a combo of pym/stark/banner. the idea is the avengers have created they're own villain. they are responsible for ultrons existence
and they have confirmed its only the name of the arc being used
They've also confirmed no Hank Pym. Ultron will come about in some other way.
They don't need Antman/Hank Pym at all. The group is just fine without him, and it makes more sense to reveal that Tony created Ultron and then forgot about it. I think it'll be a really cool story for the movie but I wonder about Thanos being in the end of the first movie. Is he going to be part of this too still or just the villain of Guardians of the Galaxy?
Everything I've read points to Thanos JUST being the GoG villain, which is a bit sad because he's such a cool opponent. :)
Talavar, bah! BWPS, I disagree. They are fine as they are, but they're GOING to be getting new characters, so they may as well get one of the classic Avengers.
Quote from: BWPS on July 21, 2013, 08:15:40 PM
They don't need Antman/Hank Pym at all. The group is just fine without him, and it makes more sense to reveal that Tony created Ultron and then forgot about it. I think it'll be a really cool story for the movie but I wonder about Thanos being in the end of the first movie. Is he going to be part of this too still or just the villain of Guardians of the Galaxy?
I think for this universe Tony makes more sense as a extension of his Jarvis style Ai and the AI run suits. Hank would be kind of left field. I hope Thanos is around somewhere pulling the strings. I have faith in Whedon.
Quote from: steamteck on July 22, 2013, 12:09:31 AM
Quote from: BWPS on July 21, 2013, 08:15:40 PM
They don't need Antman/Hank Pym at all. The group is just fine without him, and it makes more sense to reveal that Tony created Ultron and then forgot about it. I think it'll be a really cool story for the movie but I wonder about Thanos being in the end of the first movie. Is he going to be part of this too still or just the villain of Guardians of the Galaxy?
I think for this universe Tony makes more sense as a extension of his Jarvis style Ai and the AI run suits. Hank would be kind of left field. I hope Thanos is around somewhere pulling the strings. I have faith in Whedon.
Despite Iron Man 3, I still am giving Marvel a huge chunk of the benefit of the doubt. I absolutely have full confidence in Whedon, as well.
Yeah it makes sense to use Tony instead of Hank. That should work just fine.
It is kinda odd that they'd introduce Thanos at the end of Avengers and then go with Ultron, especially since from what I've been hearing the Collector is the main villain of GotG. Perhaps Thanos is being saved for Avengers 3.
I like Ultron and all, but I also really want to see Thanos. Going with IM as creating Ultron is cool with me. If the movie went in this direction it wouldn't be the first story in which Tony had a significant contribution to the bad bot.
I suppose maybe. I just hate changing who created him. Within the timeline of the movie universe, it does make sense though.
I wonder if maybe Tony, in retiring from superheroics, creates Ultron to replace him so he can stay at home with Pepper, but has to create a new set of armor when that plan turns out the way building Ultron always turns out.
I'm going to disagree with the idea that Stark as Ultron's creator is the best path. It's the easy path.
I think it's also possible for S.H.I.E.L.D. to be responsible, perhaps with a bit of "acquired" StarkTech, and they could even make references to an unnamed scientist who later turns out to be Hank Pym (which also covers the bases for an AntMan).
If they stick with the idea that Ultron is constructed of Admantium, and go with Stark as the creator, then you have to admit that Stark knows how to work Admantium. That being the case, then why wouldn't Stark create an Admantium Iron Man suit and make himself practically indestructable?
Then there's the other thing about Ultron... in the MU his personality is derived from that of Hank Pym himself, since Ultron's programming included Pym's own brain pattern. Pym's legendary instability is at least partly to blame for Ultron's corruption.
Now it's not a huge stretch to swap out Pym's instability for Stark's. Not to mention the arrogance and the belief that better technology can solve every problem. But Tony Stark isn't even slightly sociopathic. I try to imagine how a Tony Stark based Ultron would think, how it would come to believe that humans need to be exterminated, and I just can't get my head around it.
Plus, I just can't see him building an Ultron. He's already been shown as accepting the idea that he's the right guy to use the Iron Man technology, and from what I know about IM3 (still haven't seen it :( ) he'll have even greater motivations to make sure he's the one in control of it. Building an autonomous self-aware robot goes against that.
I know, all of that stuff can be explained away and Stark is still a logical choice. It's just too predictable. They also need to do something to make Ultron feel less like Skynet and Terminator all rolled into one. Some outside influence involved in Ultron's corruption would make a better story.
Quote from: BlueBard on July 22, 2013, 01:43:03 PM
I'm going to disagree with the idea that Stark as Ultron's creator is the best path. It's the easy path.
I think it's also possible for S.H.I.E.L.D. to be responsible, perhaps with a bit of "acquired" StarkTech, and they could even make references to an unnamed scientist who later turns out to be Hank Pym (which also covers the bases for an AntMan).
If they stick with the idea that Ultron is constructed of Admantium, and go with Stark as the creator, then you have to admit that Stark knows how to work Admantium. That being the case, then why wouldn't Stark create an Admantium Iron Man suit and make himself practically indestructable?
Then there's the other thing about Ultron... in the MU his personality is derived from that of Hank Pym himself, since Ultron's programming included Pym's own brain pattern. Pym's legendary instability is at least partly to blame for Ultron's corruption.
Now it's not a huge stretch to swap out Pym's instability for Stark's. Not to mention the arrogance and the belief that better technology can solve every problem. But Tony Stark isn't even slightly sociopathic. I try to imagine how a Tony Stark based Ultron would think, how it would come to believe that humans need to be exterminated, and I just can't get my head around it.
Plus, I just can't see him building an Ultron. He's already been shown as accepting the idea that he's the right guy to use the Iron Man technology, and from what I know about IM3 (still haven't seen it :( ) he'll have even greater motivations to make sure he's the one in control of it. Building an autonomous self-aware robot goes against that.
I know, all of that stuff can be explained away and Stark is still a logical choice. It's just too predictable. They also need to do something to make Ultron feel less like Skynet and Terminator all rolled into one. Some outside influence involved in Ultron's corruption would make a better story.
They may make Stark only be involved in creating the Ultron AI, which then goes on to build its own autonomous, adamantium robot bodies.
Quote from: Talavar on July 22, 2013, 03:10:54 PM
They may make Stark only be involved in creating the Ultron AI, which then goes on to build its own autonomous, adamantium robot bodies.
Granted. Even granting that the programming could be based on Jarvis.
I still think that if they abandon the mad-scientist creator route, some outside agent with their own agenda acting to corrupt the AI somehow would fit better than a Stark creation going out of control all by itself. That could be the seed for future plotlines.
And even then, Ultron's biggest weakness has always been his personality. There's no reason for a self-aware machine to develop a personality like Ultron's unless it were somehow derived from a human personality. And Ultron without the personality is just Skynet in a Terminator body. Ho-hum.
It can't be just another killer robot story. It's got to be Ultron in all of his paranoid, egotistic, and malicious glory or it's not Ultron.
If we stick with the S.H.I.E.L.D. tangent as the origin for Ultron, they've got their hands on recovered Hydra tech that could easily be the source for some such corruption, even going as far as finding some sort of crude encephalitic recording device, which transfers a pattern that's already stored (Red Skull, Zemo, etc) instead of the one they intend to use. It does throw a big monkey-wrench into the whole "destroy my creator" angle that Ultron likes to follow, but it's something that could be written around.
I don't mean to go off topic, but since the subject of Adamantium is being brought up, I have a question. Now, I don't recall what they mentioned Cap's shield is made from in the movies (we all know it's an adamantium/vibranium alloy). Being that adamantium is mentioned in the X-men movies, whose movie rights are not owned by Marvel, then Ultron will have to be made from some other material. I know that there is an extended list of characters that were signed over with the X-men rights, like every mutant created by Marvel, but I don't know if materials and the like fall in there, as well. I am only going by memory here, so those better informed, please correct me.
As far as Ultron in Avengers 2, I love it only if there is an Avengers 3 with Thanos. I don't think this is too out of the realm of possibility with all successful superhero movies going the route of the trilogy. You can't end things much bigger than with Thanos, plus with Ultron as the second villain, it gives us, arguably, the number one Avengers villain and someone we would all love to see on screen.
Quote from: hoss20 on July 23, 2013, 06:11:07 AMI don't mean to go off topic, but since the subject of Adamantium is being brought up, I have a question. Now, I don't recall what they mentioned Cap's shield is made from in the movies (we all know it's an adamantium/vibranium alloy). Being that adamantium is mentioned in the X-men movies, whose movie rights are not owned by Marvel, then Ultron will have to be made from some other material. I know that there is an extended list of characters that were signed over with the X-men rights, like every mutant created by Marvel, but I don't know if materials and the like fall in there, as well.
In the Captain America movie they specifically stated that the prototype shield was made of vibranium. No mention of adamantium was made and this was by design. Fox received the rights to the Marvel created alloy when they purchased X-Men.
Quote from: MJB on July 23, 2013, 09:34:39 AM
Quote from: hoss20 on July 23, 2013, 06:11:07 AMI don't mean to go off topic, but since the subject of Adamantium is being brought up, I have a question. Now, I don't recall what they mentioned Cap's shield is made from in the movies (we all know it's an adamantium/vibranium alloy). Being that adamantium is mentioned in the X-men movies, whose movie rights are not owned by Marvel, then Ultron will have to be made from some other material. I know that there is an extended list of characters that were signed over with the X-men rights, like every mutant created by Marvel, but I don't know if materials and the like fall in there, as well.
In the Captain America movie they specifically stated that the prototype shield was made of vibranium. No mention of adamantium was made and this was by design. Fox received the rights to the Marvel created alloy when they purchased X-Men.
I dunno... would they really have given them exclusive rights to adamantium? CAN they? Apparently the name of this metal has been used outside the Marvel universe.
At best, they maybe licensed the copyrights to Marvel's version of it.
In addition there are somethings that are not exclusive to the license. There are a couple of mutant characters, I believe, which can be used by the Avengers and by the X-Men license. THey cannot be called mutants, however.
Yeah, Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch will be in both Days of Future Past and Avengers 2. I hope Ultron is a SHIELD creation and you find out later that Pym was a big part of it. Basing Ultron of Tony or Jarvis just makes me think we would have the most sarcastic robot apocalypse ever.
Quote from: Ares_God_of_War on July 24, 2013, 01:08:20 AM
Basing Ultron of Tony or Jarvis just makes me think we would have the most sarcastic robot apocalypse ever.
+1 to Ares!
Marvel Studios head Kevin Feige recently (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=46887)heavily hinted that Iron Man will be responsible for Ultron's creation, and that Hank Pym will have a very big role in Ant-Man.
That gives us a decent hint how they're going to handle things but still we'll have to wait and see.
The change disappoints me. Hank doesn't have too many things that are memorable about him and the other thing people would bring up I do not want to see played out. The ONLY thing having Tony make Ultron could possibly add it a way to tell the Demon in a Bottle story with his guilt being a replacement for booze. I hope that they can give Hank something more interesting so that people will be drawn in and I REALLY hope we don't get the movie version of the slap heard round the world.
Ultron will be played by http://us.cnn.com/2013/08/29/showbiz/movies/james-spader-ultron-avengers/index.html?hpt=hp_c4
As a fan of James' performance in Boston Legal, James Spader definitely has the acting chops... but maybe because I'm so familiar with the show, I'm having a hard time picturing the man who sat on a porch smoking cigars with William Shatner at the end of almost every episode as the heartless Ultron of the comics.
Quote from: Tomato on August 30, 2013, 09:31:19 AM
As a fan of James' performance in Boston Legal, James Spader definitely has the acting chops... but maybe because I'm so familiar with the show, I'm having a hard time picturing the man who sat on a porch smoking cigars with William Shatner at the end of almost every episode as the heartless Ultron of the comics.
I'm right there with you Mato. I am a huge fan of Boston Legal and will forever remember James Spader as Alan Shore. The guy is a great actor and I can't wait to see what he does with this character.
I never watched much Boston Legal.....but I was a big fan of The Practice...and I loved him in The Secretary :P
Just saw some concept pics for Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch:
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=51561
Hmm...
Wanda looks fine as a civilian look.
Pietro is pretty bland looking, but throw a lightning bolt across the chest and it might be fine.
Both are pretty much non-costumes, which hopefully isn't the entire plan, but where the heck is the white hair?!
I've never been a fan of Quicksilver's original costume anyway. I wouldn't mind a change.
He's got plenty to choose from, but a non-costume isn't really an improvement.
Should have at least had white hair, looks like a random nobody as it is. Maybe they get costumes later in the film?
White hair would look ridiculous. I prefer it that way. I really like Wanda's gpsy-influenced outfit. Anyway these are just their ordinary clothes. When they are enlisted they are gonna get suits.
Don't be silly Jim, white hair wouldn't look ridiculous. It would be distinctive, and more importantly, it's an inalienable part of the character's visual identity! They managed to make Wolverine's hair work on the big screen, I can't imagine that there is any argument to be made against the viability of Quicksilver's. I have a student who has her hair died ALMOST white, and it's quite striking.
I hope you're right about the acquisition of suits.
Agreed with Benton, as much as I'm for updating looks from time to time, in this case I think it is a very big part of character's visual identity. I actually think the short white hair can look pretty cool.
The hair he has in Xmen : DOTFP looks bad because of the hairstyle, not the color (I don't like his costume either but that's another story).
I just looked that up, and you're not kidding! #1, it looks like a really terrible dye-job, and #2, it's a terrible style for that kid.
My ex-wife's step mother's hair turned white by the time she was 30. It WAS much more striking than the original brown color.
Besides, if they do this, next thing you know Aquaman will be weaing black leather...
Good heavens, don't joke about it because it is totally what we would see if WB actually got their act together and started making movies. :P
Well, to be honest benton, i really think it would look ridiculous. Maybe in the comics the connection to magneto justifies the white hair but since Marvel doesn't have rights to muties giving white hair without explanation would look silly. I am always in favor of faithful adaptations in the big screen but some things just don't work. I am really into Pietro's pointy hairstyle though. And i am really glad there are not going with Scarlet Witch's swimsuit costume, it would look horrible.
It doesn't really need an explanation, Jim; Pietro's a mutant. He's got strange powers, and he'll be sharing the screen with someone in a 'spangly outfit.' ;)
I'm excited to see what they do with the two mutants, and I just hope that they aren't in the movie just to be in the movie. As long as they get the character's personalities right (and they fit in with the story), then the design won't matter too much to me (as long as it's within reasoning).
Would I prefer that he does have white hair? Of course. Would he look good in white hair? Probably, but I won't be upset if he didn't have white hair.
If they can put the same amount of love into Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver that they put in virtually every other character in the Marvel Studio movies, then I don't think that I'll be disappointed. Do I expect them to be as adored as Tom Hiddleston? Nah, but close would be nice :P
I don't like Quicksilver's hair in the picture, but it's not because it's not white (thought that would be cool) it's because it seems dark. If you're not going to go with white, then go with a light blond. This looks more like a dirty blond or brown.
Regardless I think the hair will just be a minor thing with me, but who knows maybe I'll watch the movie and it will bug me.
Pietro's outfit looks pretty involved for a civilian look, but it's possible. Depending on their roles in this film we might not see the twins in proper costumes.
From all the quotes I've seen Whedon seems pretty excited to put those two in the film so I expect they'll have a significant role.
If they start changing hair color just for... maybe realism?... anyway, Lorna Dane could end up a redhead.
Not to worry about Quicksilver's hair:
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=51688 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=51688)
Well, it's the right color...sorta'...so, that's good. That guy doesn't look terribly Quicksilver-ish to me, though. Hopefully we'll see a more costumed version later.
Also: Come on Joss! Give us a more Hawkeye looking costume for Hawkeye!
Hmm...well he looks alright. Not too sure about the beard but it could work. Clearly these are non-costume looks I'm pretty sure.
I actually like movie Hawkeye's look. Not that I wouldn't like something else more.
Quote from: Podmark on March 25, 2014, 02:10:19 AM
Hmm...well he looks alright. Not too sure about the beard but it could work. Clearly these are non-costume looks I'm pretty sure.
I actually like movie Hawkeye's look. Not that I wouldn't like something else more.
I thought Hawkeye's non-costume was fine for the first movie, but now's their chance to make him look more like himself. :)
So it seems there has been an addition to Hawkeye's costume.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=51737
Looks like he's added a styled jacket.
Not sure how I feel about it, but it's a pretty blurry picture.
I saw a quick preview of X-Men: Days of Future Past on Inkmaster tonight, as the challenge this week was doing portrait tattoos of the movie X-Men and Hugh Jackman made an appearance on the show. I was a bit surprised to see Quicksilver in the preview and he was identified by name. Was some sort of agreement made between Fox and Marvel Studios/Disney to allow for the character (regardless of his respective origins) to appear in both X-Men and the Avengers? He is listed as Pietro Maximoff/Quicksilver for both films, that is if I can take the IMDB cast/character list as accurate. This was news to me and I'm sorry if I missed discussion of this elsewhere.
I guess I could have posted this is the X-Men thread, but being that Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch were just being heavily discussed, I figured I'd post here.
Quote from: hoss20 on March 28, 2014, 05:16:29 AM
I saw a quick preview of X-Men: Days of Future Past on Inkmaster tonight, as the challenge this week was doing portrait tattoos of the movie X-Men and Hugh Jackman made an appearance on the show. I was a bit surprised to see Quicksilver in the preview and he was identified by name. Was some sort of agreement made between Fox and Marvel Studios/Disney to allow for the character (regardless of his respective origins) to appear in both X-Men and the Avengers? He is listed as Pietro Maximoff/Quicksilver for both films, that is if I can take the IMDB cast/character list as accurate. This was news to me and I'm sorry if I missed discussion of this elsewhere.
Since Quicksilver is very heavily split between Avengers and X-Men, Marvel Studios somehow managed to work out a deal that as long as they don't refer to mutants or any ties to Magneto in Avengers 2: Age Of Ultron and Fox doesn't reference the Scarlet Witch or anything Avengers related in X-Men: Days Of Future Past that it would be allowable.
Things would be so much easier if they were all under the same studio but for the interest of both sides getting to use Quicksilver they managed to work it out.
- CQ
Quote from: Podmark on March 28, 2014, 01:20:38 AM
So it seems there has been an addition to Hawkeye's costume.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=51737
Looks like he's added a styled jacket.
Not sure how I feel about it, but it's a pretty blurry picture.
The jacket with it's purple highlights and the purple bow he's also sporting appear to be an attempt to get him closer to him comic book look without giving up the whole agent look they are going for. It's not a bad compromise, IMO.
Ehh, that looks vaguely Hawkeye-ish, but give the man a mask or something for heaven's sakes. :P
I don't think he needs the mask Benton so much as the glasses that his modern look has. Throw a pair of Purple glasses in there as in the comics and you are set. Modern Hawkeye is my favourite incarnation of the character. I am still confused though about Pietro's hair. It seems as a wig but since it's pre-production i think that the brown won't be visible in the movie. I would still prefer the concept art hairstyle though.
Quote from: BentonGrey on March 28, 2014, 07:05:09 PM
Ehh, that looks vaguely Hawkeye-ish, but give the man a mask or something for heaven's sakes. :P
He's a SHIELD agent, so the mask would make no sense whatsoever in this setting. Purple glasses or goggles with a mask-inspired look would work, though.
Purple shades were part of the design at some point. I don't recall if they were ever used in the film though.
http://www.hdwallpapers.in/walls/hawkeye_in_avengers_movie-HD.jpg
Pietro's hair looks like he needs to fire his hair stylist. Talk about dark roots...
New outfit for Cap:
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=51831
I get a kick out of how they change his outfit every movie.
Looks similar to his WWII look to me.
Aww, I loved his costume from The Avengers. That doesn't look bad, though.
Hehe, that's pretty cool. Actually I'm surprised at the quality of the video. I was gonna go check out the scenes they were shooting, but they said cops will be all over confiscating cameras and stuff like that.
It's really funny because there are a lot of CCTV cameras around the bridge there, and people can log onto them online to check out traffic. So many people logged on to watch the filming of that scene.
Interesting little piece of news, the voice of Jarvis has been cast as The Vision in Avengers 2.
So based on comments (http://www.newsarama.com/20935-ant-man-plot-points-arrow-sin-city-2-trailers-x-men-days-avengers-2-movie-news.html)Ultron, Quicksilver, and Scarlet Witch will start the movie aligned with Baron Strucker and Hydra at the beginning of the film. While the twins aren't surprising, Ultron with Hydra wasn't something I'd really considered.
I was expecting that, actually. The way the movies and the series have been going, it's a pretty logical step for Hydra, who have already been messing with AI, brain uploading, cyborgs, and robotics to create Ultron as their ultimate weapon. I'm guessing he will be based on Zola's mind this time around, although they may simply use similar technology but base him on someone else. They might also just steal Jarvis's code and use it.
In any case, this matches up with what I was already guessing would happen. As long as he's awesomely evil and we get Vision out of it sooner or later, it's all cool.
Ohh, exciting stuff! We've got some pictures, including one of Ultron!
http://majorspoilers.com/2014/07/16/first-official-stills-avengers-age-ultron-arrived/
I'm super excited! Everything looks awesome, and everyone looks like themselves for the most part! :D Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch will hopefully get something more costume-ish eventually if they stick around, but I'm really happy with how Ultron looks.
Agreed, he looks like Ultron. Hawkeye also gets something closer to his comic look, which is good. Also footage shown to a group earlier this week apparently contains Hulk Buster Iron Man vs. Hulk, which definitely sounds cool.
Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on July 17, 2014, 07:50:37 AM
Agreed, he looks like Ultron. Hawkeye also gets something closer to his comic look, which is good. Also footage shown to a group earlier this week apparently contains Hulk Buster Iron Man vs. Hulk, which definitely sounds cool.
My thoughts as well, though, as I've said before, I still think some type of mask would be nice. :)
Neat, Hulkbuster!
Nice to see Don Cheadle. Hopefully, War Machine will see more action than he did in Iron Man 3.
(I also wonder if that pic is between takes as I see Thor's hammer just sitting on the table being propped up by some books. I realize it's the enchantment that makes it unliftable by all but a few, but I feel reasonably sure that if set down on a table, it would go right through it.)
I'm all for the costume look, but I actually think Quicksilver's shirt looks pretty cool.
I've heard that the opening scene is the Avengers hanging out in the newly completed Avengers tower, so this could be that.
Ultron looks fantastic.
I've read that the plot follows that Tony creates Ultron to fight with the Avengers so he can stop being Iron Man. But Ultron decides that the only way to bring peace is to destroy humanity. He also controls an army of drones. I'd have to hunt down the quote though, might have just been speculation.
Quote from: hoss20 on July 18, 2014, 07:20:25 AM
Nice to see Don Cheadle. Hopefully, War Machine will see more action than he did in Iron Man 3.
(I also wonder if that pic is between takes as I see Thor's hammer just sitting on the table being propped up by some books. I realize it's the enchantment that makes it unliftable by all but a few, but I feel reasonably sure that if set down on a table, it would go right through it.)
I'm all for the costume look, but I actually think Quicksilver's shirt looks pretty cool.
Actually, Thor's hammer can hang on coat racks. The enchantments behind the hammer are very inconsistent :P
Quote from: Podmark on July 19, 2014, 08:17:12 PM
Ultron looks fantastic.
I've read that the plot follows that Tony creates Ultron to fight with the Avengers so he can stop being Iron Man. But Ultron decides that the only way to bring peace is to destroy humanity. He also controls an army of drones. I'd have to hunt down the quote though, might have just been speculation.
From what we are seeing I would think that is a very good possibility.
Found the link. (http://www.newsarama.com/21588-first-look-ultron-in-avengers-age-of-ultron.html)
Quote from: spydermann93 on July 19, 2014, 08:54:25 PM
Actually, Thor's hammer can hang on coat racks. The enchantments behind the hammer are very inconsistent :P
The coat hanger thing was just done as a gag since it was actually an improv thing that he did for one of the takes and they just went with it. The "enchantments" are just Asguardian tech built into the hammer.. so I'm pretty sure that the hammer has a default setting making it become like x1000 times it's actual weight once someone unworthy touched the handle. I still would think that if anyone reached for hammer while it was on the rack other then Thor it would have crashed through the floor dragging the poor welder along for the ride.
Feast your eyes on this beauty of an art piece, released for the convention.
http://marvel.com/images/981085#0-981085
I like the look of Ultron and Spader is going to kill it as his voice ... but The Avengers fighting an army of identical robotic things again doesn't fill me with excitement.
That image has a nice teaser of Vision floating in the background, though.
Quote from: Starman on July 27, 2014, 08:15:09 AM
I like the look of Ultron and Spader is going to kill it as his voice ... but The Avengers fighting an army of identical robotic things again doesn't fill me with excitement.
That image has a nice teaser of Vision floating in the background, though.
Aww, you beat me to it, LOL. Any word on who's playing Vision?
Paul Bettany is playing the Vision. (He's been doing the Jarvis voice for a while)
Quote from: Starman on July 27, 2014, 08:15:09 AM
I like the look of Ultron and Spader is going to kill it as his voice ... but The Avengers fighting an army of identical robotic things again doesn't fill me with excitement.
That image has a nice teaser of Vision floating in the background, though.
I think battling Ultron will be a lot different, though. His character will affect the team in new ways that weren't explored in the first film. I'm interested to see how Strucker is involved and how the twins' powers change the dynamic. Vision is just out of this world awesome and will compliment Ultron perfectly.
Vision shows up in the background of the teaser image released recently, and he looks (as far as I can tell) pretty much exactly like he should! That's exciting! :D
http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/iron-man-and-scarlet-witch-get-into-battle-in-2-comic-con-posters-for-the-avengers-age-of-ultron-20140724
Concept art for Vision:
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=55358
And a movie poster (featuring Vision):
http://www.newsarama.com/22065-no-iron-man-4-plans-says-rdj-vision-stands-revealed-for-age-of-ultron.html
I'm pretty happy with the characters appearances.
He looks perfect! He's basically completely faithful to the comics, with just a few (the overtly robotic bits) elements that are concessions to the transfer from page to screen. That is so awesome! They've even kept his yellow cape! :D
I like the movie design, but Vision is one character I'd have interested in seeing them try something different. Always thought his costumes were fairly arbitrary in design.
Word has it that THE AVENGERS: AGE OF ULTRON will have it's trailer attached to Christopher Nolan's INTERSTELLAR.
Quote from: Shogunn2517 on September 28, 2014, 02:15:03 AM
Word has it that THE AVENGERS: AGE OF ULTRON will have it's trailer attached to Christopher Nolan's INTERSTELLAR.
Curses!
I'll just have to wait until the trailer is leaked online, then :(
I wonder if this has anything to do with Marvel/ Fox & the Fantastic Four or is Sony want to hype up Spidey
http://www.hitfix.com/motion-captured/marvels-making-big-plans-beyond-avengers-3-and-its-making-hollywood-crazy
You know, I thoroughly enjoy how all of the arrogant, self-assured commentators for the last few years who have endlessly talked about the "superhero bubble bursting" have had to keep waiting...and waiting...and waiting...and waiting for their predictions to come true. It just goes to show, as long as there are great movies being made, folks will go to see them.
I agree completely, Benton. People will go to see movies that are made well and that they enjoy, regardless of the subject matter. If the movie market gets saturated with superhero movies that are crap, then, yes, the "bubble will burst".
And in case you missed it, the trailer to AVENGERS: AGE OF ULTRON will premiere during MARVEL'S AGENTS OF S.H.I.E.L.D. next Tuesday October 28th. Which is a whole week before Interstellar, which will have the trailer attached as well.
Tune in.
Woot! New(or stolen) Avengers: AOU clip!
http://moviepilot.com/posts/2014/10/30/new-leaked-avengers-clip-couldn-t-set-up-civil-war-more-2392732?lt_source=external,manual
Quote from: hoss20 on October 07, 2014, 02:21:57 AM
I agree completely, Benton. People will go to see movies that are made well and that they enjoy, regardless of the subject matter. If the movie market gets saturated with superhero movies that are crap, then, yes, the "bubble will burst".
I'm with both of you. I believe we always have space for more GOOD super-hero movies, I read a lot of reviews saying movies like "Green Lantern", FF vs The Silver Surfer" and "Spider-Man 3" signalized the end of the "super-hero movie era", but people still want more movies like the Avengers.
Right! :D
A peek of the Vision;
http://comicbook.com/2014/11/05/fleeting-glimpse-of-the-vision-in-new-avengers-age-of-ultron-foo/
Quote from: JeyNyce on November 06, 2014, 06:06:34 PM
A peek of the Vision;
http://comicbook.com/2014/11/05/fleeting-glimpse-of-the-vision-in-new-avengers-age-of-ultron-foo/
Vision looks so cool. I can't wait to see all the density changing scenes :thumbup:
Quote from: Figure Fan on November 10, 2014, 07:14:13 PM
Quote from: JeyNyce on November 06, 2014, 06:06:34 PM
A peek of the Vision;
http://comicbook.com/2014/11/05/fleeting-glimpse-of-the-vision-in-new-avengers-age-of-ultron-foo/
Vision looks so cool. I can't wait to see all the density changing scenes :thumbup:
I don't know. He doesn't look
bad or anything, but it just seems that there's too much red on him. Green's usually the Vision's defining color, and it just seems to look better on him then all of that red. Still better than Byrne's vision though. (For those fortunate souls who have never seen Byrne's Vision before, it's basically the basic Vision design, but with all the color drained out, and instead, all we're left with is a bland empty shell. Much like how he
wrote the Vision also. :thumbdown:)
possible spoilers:
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We all know that Marvel can't use the X-men or the term mutants, so QuickSilver & Scarlet Witch are going to be Inhumans.
I don't know if that was mention earlier or not
Looks like there's some more promotional materials released the explain the movie's origin of Ultron and The Vision.
http://www.capesonfilm.com/2014/12/promo-art-for-avengers-age-of-ultron.html
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It sounds like Ultron is actually a Chitauri program that Stark found and experimented with that eventually builds its own body, so different origin that ties into the first movie. I don't mind. Vision also was not built by Ultron it seems.
Wow, I didn't see that coming.Spoiler
I don't mind they are tying the two movies together by making Ultron's AI come from a Chitari program, but I am surprised they are changing his origin even further. I totally expected Ultron to be a "failed" experiment of Hank Pym that Tony builds upon. I guess I just hoped they would connect Antman to this story.
The use of Jarvis for the Vision does work for me. I like that Tony is designing the Vision along with Banner. Not how I expected the story to play out, but I am still looking forward to this.
And here are a few confirmations of actors we suspected were characters.
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Andy Serkis IS Ulysses Klaw.
http://schmoesknow.com/hot-scoop-serkis-character-revealed-avengers-age-ultron/33368/
And Mantis... who has ties with the Guardians of the Galaxy and the Avengers will be playing a part as well.
http://schmoesknow.com/hot-scoop-female-character-might-key-role-avengers-age-ultron/33384/
Leave it to the a toy fair to give us a better idea of how the Vision will appear in Avengers: Age of Ultron.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/02/15/avengers-age-of-ultron-your-best-look-yet-at-the-vision (http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/02/15/avengers-age-of-ultron-your-best-look-yet-at-the-vision)
Oh come on there are far better promos out there, don't give into IGN's clickbait. We have seen what Ultron looks like.
(http://static2.hypable.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/age-of-ultron-vision-feature.jpg?f7873c)
Quote from: XStream on February 15, 2015, 09:15:43 PM
Leave it to the a toy fair to give us a better idea of how the Vision will appear in Avengers: Age of Ultron.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/02/15/avengers-age-of-ultron-your-best-look-yet-at-the-vision (http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/02/15/avengers-age-of-ultron-your-best-look-yet-at-the-vision)
I don't know which is more accurate...the action figure or the lego version. I'll still have to wait for the movie.
This brings up an interesting question: Will we see a romance between Vision and Scarlet Witch??
Quote from: thalaw2 on February 16, 2015, 08:55:52 AM
Quote from: XStream on February 15, 2015, 09:15:43 PM
Leave it to the a toy fair to give us a better idea of how the Vision will appear in Avengers: Age of Ultron.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/02/15/avengers-age-of-ultron-your-best-look-yet-at-the-vision (http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/02/15/avengers-age-of-ultron-your-best-look-yet-at-the-vision)
I don't know which is more accurate...the action figure or the lego version. I'll still have to wait for the movie.
Lego, most likely. Hasbro's been skimping on the paint aps for the 3-4 inch line (which is what that Vision appears to be) so the result is only vaguely like the actual outfits. I saw the Iron Man from that line yesterday, and they left his entire torso red, and I almost mistook it for a repackaged Mark VI.
So RDJ has spoken with Empire about Starks 180, and hints a little at what is going to lead him down a road that puts him at odds with Cap. After reading this and thinking on it a bit, I believe it will be the Hulk encounter we see in the trailers that pushes Tony over the edge. Spoiler
Think about it, the two of them (supposedly) create Ultron using alien tech. Their creation finds a way to use the Hulk as a weapon. Tony and the Avengers make a mess of things trying to stop the Hulk. And as Tony stands there looking at the damage he is responsible for he decides it all has to end.
Quote from: Tomato on February 16, 2015, 05:27:54 PM
Quote from: thalaw2 on February 16, 2015, 08:55:52 AM
Quote from: XStream on February 15, 2015, 09:15:43 PM
Leave it to the a toy fair to give us a better idea of how the Vision will appear in Avengers: Age of Ultron.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/02/15/avengers-age-of-ultron-your-best-look-yet-at-the-vision (http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/02/15/avengers-age-of-ultron-your-best-look-yet-at-the-vision)
I don't know which is more accurate...the action figure or the lego version. I'll still have to wait for the movie.
Lego, most likely. Hasbro's been skimping on the paint aps for the 3-4 inch line (which is what that Vision appears to be) so the result is only vaguely like the actual outfits. I saw the Iron Man from that line yesterday, and they left his entire torso red, and I almost mistook it for a repackaged Mark VI.
Wow! I forgot we have action figure experts. I thought i was just being a smarta$$.
Quote from: JeyNyce on February 16, 2015, 01:29:58 PM
This brings up an interesting question: Will we see a romance between Vision and Scarlet Witch??
I'm expecting a "nod" to their relationship, but I'd be surprised if they get married in Avengers 2...
I thought this was a pretty interesting article, shedding some light on the thought process behind the change in Ultron's origins:
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/2-Reasons-Why-Ant-Man-Isn-t-Avengers-2-69899.html
I've never really had too great an issue with it, honestly... it's something that takes a bit to get used to, but the fact is that Hank being the one solely responsible for Ultron never made any freaking sense. Hank Pym is a biochemist... he's dabbled a bit in technology (the Ant controlling helmet, and some of the gadgets he used as "Dr. Pym") but the only time we've seen him put together anything CLOSE to the level of skill it would take to make Ultron a thing was decades later when he put together the Antman armor, and even that was done with the assistance of SHIELD. We've seen Tony using advanced AI and robots all the way back to Iron Man 1, so it's not NEARLY as big a leap that he'd be capable of making Ultron. Even EMH changed things so that Ultron was a joint project with Tony and Hank.
That is true but i would still like some acknowledgement of Hank Pym's part. Even a hint, like the original blueprints of the AI been made by Dr. Hank Pym of Shield or anything along these lines.
Quote from: Tomato on February 22, 2015, 05:20:36 AM
I've never really had too great an issue with it, honestly... it's something that takes a bit to get used to, but the fact is that Hank being the one solely responsible for Ultron never made any freaking sense. Hank Pym is a biochemist... he's dabbled a bit in technology (the Ant controlling helmet, and some of the gadgets he used as "Dr. Pym") but the only time we've seen him put together anything CLOSE to the level of skill it would take to make Ultron a thing was decades later when he put together the Antman armor, and even that was done with the assistance of SHIELD. We've seen Tony using advanced AI and robots all the way back to Iron Man 1, so it's not NEARLY as big a leap that he'd be capable of making Ultron. Even EMH changed things so that Ultron was a joint project with Tony and Hank.
I agree because it fits with the events that have already unfolded. I'm also happy to see this because I've grown tired of seeing everyone labeled as a "genius" on television and the movies as knowing everything about everything. It greatly bothered me that Tony in Iron Man 3 casually mentions at the end that he cured Pepper of her condition (being subjected to Extremis). Tony is an engineer, admittedly genius level, but does he really have the knowledge of biochemistry and, to a lesser extent pharmacology, to be able to develop a cure for her?
Here's a look at War Machine in Avengers 2
http://www.hottoys.com.hk/productDetail.php?productID=295
I'm hoping that WM will be fighting in Avengers 2 and this is not just some addon for collectors to spend extra money
Big spoiler ahead...
Stop reading if you don't want the ending spoiled....
Okay, you've been warned.
I just saw the post credits for Avengers: Age of Ultron and in one word, it is
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AMAZING!
But there's more... be careful if you want to click ahead...
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I warned you....
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Feige lied. There is a post credit and a post post credit. The first is with an fed up Thanos exclaiming "fine, I'll do it myself" as he fits on the Infinity Gauntlet. The last scene, I already alluded to. A guy is wiping windows on a sky scraper and as he wipes the suds away he reveals SPIDERMAN watching him work and tries to help him with a spot he missed (and fails)
Quote from: JeyNyce on April 10, 2015, 05:34:07 PM
Here's a look at War Machine in Avengers 2
http://www.hottoys.com.hk/productDetail.php?productID=295
I'm hoping that WM will be fighting in Avengers 2 and this is not just some addon for collectors to spend extra money
I want me one of those!
Ok guys and gals, I just want to let you know that some of us have seen the movie. Don't forget to add spoilers if you want to talk about it. Thanks Shogunn2517!! :thumbup:
On that note, how much time do you guys what to let pass before we post spoilers?? A month?, two months? let me know, Thanks!
Without spoilers tags? I'd say when the movie stops being in theaters.
I'm just gonna put this out there... I won't be seeing this movie until later on in the month (I have a 4 day weekend memorial day, and were celebrating my bday then) and while I plan to avoid this thread, if I see something without spoilers while I'm skimming through recent posts... Whoever is responsible will wish I had killed them.
In all seriousness, its gonna be hard enough dealing with spoilery stuff as is. Please be mindful of those of us not seeing this right away.
Haha, fair point, 'Mato! I have to wait a few days too, so consider this seconded! :) I'm so excited!
Just watched it tonight with my wife and some friends. It was fantastic!!
This first set of spoilers is my reaction, nested spoilers are about story/theories.
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Glad to see a lot more Hawkeye this time. Ultron had some amazing lines, and they did a really great job of setting things up for the next phase of the marvel universe.
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i feel Hawkey's family was not only a great way to write him out of the MCU, but it also really freed up Mockingbird to do whatever in the TV universe.
The Jarvis coming back explanation was kind of garbage, but it was great to get a really good, believable version of the Vision. He was superbly done, especially as he kind of takes the place of Adam Warlock a bit too. (Artificial man with infinity gem in forehead.
How cool was the latest lineup of the Avengers? Glad to see Falcon on the team!
Finally, I DID NOT SEE THAT COMING, either!
Can you confirm if there is a final post credit scene? There are many stories flooding the internet and Shogunn even posted about. Obviously, you don't have to give details; just a "yes" or "no" will do.
Post credit spoiler:
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From the Spiderman post credit scene that I saw online there was a "Spiderman created by Stan Lee and Steve Ditko" credit along with a tag for Sony Pictures. I wouldn't think you would bother with mentioning Lee and Ditko in this fashion and mentioning Sony doesn't make sense unless Marvel doesn't yet have full rights back at this point. This almost makes me feel like this was a post credit scene from one of the first two Amazing Spiderman movies that may have been cut. Spidey also sounds a lot like Andrew Garfield. Plus the scene appears to be in Spanish, which is weird since I didn't think the movie had been released anywhere yet, let alone in another country.
I just figure you could save a lot of people from the suffering of sitting through the credits for nothing.
I'm glad you enjoyed the movie. I do have a question that's been bothering me for a while:
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It appears in nearly every preview that something bad is happening/will happen to Thor. He's been my favorite character since I was a young kid and feel that that they've done a great job with him in the movies. In the comics, however, it always seems like every now and again they really screw him up, including him being "unworthy" in recent events. If you give me details, I won't mind as I'm going to see the movie even if it's deemed the worst film debacle of all time.
It's actually been released in over 26 countries so far this week. North America's one of the last to get it, I think.
Ah, thanks, Cat. I probably should have done more research regarding that fact.
I just saw it and I thought it was really strange how Howard the Duck randomly showed up for the final battle. I mean it was kinda funny in Guardians but to have him just fly down and start making awful quips without so much as an introduction really took me out of the movie. Pretty solid other than that, was sad to see Nick Fury wear a toupee. I appreciated the Hulk giving a blood transfusion to his cat, that was really funny. 7.3/10.
Quote from: BWPS on April 26, 2015, 08:08:30 PM
I just saw it and I thought it was really strange how Howard the Duck randomly showed up for the final battle. I mean it was kinda funny in Guardians but to have him just fly down and start making awful quips without so much as an introduction really took me out of the movie. Pretty solid other than that, was sad to see Nick Fury wear a toupee. I appreciated the Hulk giving a blood transfusion to his cat, that was really funny. 7.3/10.
Uh Hello?, Spoilers Alert....... Now we all know that Hulk Cat is going to take out Thanos and joined the Guardians of the Galaxy because of you...Sheeeseh, you had to ruined it for the rest of us.
For those who were wondering if the Spider-Man Post-Credit scene was REAL or NOT, It's NOT..
The folks who created that footage and the Batman vs Superman Fake Trailer finally made a video which explained how they pulled it off..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2FWJgKMbFQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2FWJgKMbFQ)
- CQ
Quote from: BWPS on April 26, 2015, 08:08:30 PM
I just saw it and I thought it was really strange how Howard the Duck randomly showed up for the final battle. I mean it was kinda funny in Guardians but to have him just fly down and start making awful quips without so much as an introduction really took me out of the movie. Pretty solid other than that, was sad to see Nick Fury wear a toupee. I appreciated the Hulk giving a blood transfusion to his cat, that was really funny. 7.3/10.
I want to be sad that robot clint eastwood died, but you just know they're going to bring him back somehow in the next movie.
Quote from: crimsonquill on April 27, 2015, 01:14:35 AM
For those who were wondering if the Spider-Man Post-Credit scene was REAL or NOT, It's NOT..
The folks who created that footage and the Batman vs Superman Fake Trailer finally made a video which explained how they pulled it off..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2FWJgKMbFQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2FWJgKMbFQ)
- CQ
Give those guys credit, because they made fans go crazy after watch that clip.
Bummed....
End of my semester and I can't go see the movie on opening weekend.
*Hangs sign*
"Be back in two weeks..."
Quote from: XStream on April 30, 2015, 12:18:30 AM
Bummed....
End of my semester and I can't go see the movie on opening weekend.
*Hangs sign*
"Be back in two weeks..."
You are not alone
Quote from: Tomato on April 30, 2015, 12:59:26 AM
Quote from: XStream on April 30, 2015, 12:18:30 AM
Bummed....
End of my semester and I can't go see the movie on opening weekend.
*Hangs sign*
"Be back in two weeks..."
You are not alone
We are legion
Ditto, and it's killing me.
Saw it yesterday, and really enjoyed it.
Spoiler
Like the first Avengers movie, Age of Ultron is a bit disjointed. It's a big movie, with a lot of character moments and a lot of action set-pieces, and apparently a lot of scenes cut for time (there are already rumours of an extended edition DVD). Everything meshes, but not quite perfectly. There are fewer "heck yeah" moments, but more character development, particularly for Banner, Black Widow and Hawkeye. This is sounding a bit negative, but my view of the movie definitely is not. It's a highly entertaining sequel to the Avengers, and sets the stage for the next round of Marvel movies.
Just saw the movie and all I have to say is that with so much going on, it should have been longer.
One thing that bothers me is
Spoiler
Wait for it....
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Quicksilver. I really enjoyed him in the movie, but they killed him off at the end. Why did Marvel did all that work with Fox for the character, just to kill him off??
Holy crap this movie is amazing. I felt like my brain was exploding the whole time. It's also really funny, a ton of good jokes. I loved it, it's easily the second best movie.
About a two month wait here yet. Wow it's eating all the hype one would imagine. It also seems to have every form of complaint lodged against it one could imagine and then invent on top of it. If I went by many peoples accounts this is the single worst film production ever made. Luckily I never do and the more popular or noticeable a thing is the more it's going to attract negative review so nature of the beast and really what else would cynics be doing. I'll point one thing out though is that now that it's hit a lot of it has hit the internet in turn of course and I've seen that, couldn't look around it to be honest. And I'm looking at this swarm of shopped pictures were a comic reader took a scan of the comic Ultron and put it in the movie setting, or tried to make the movie one look like the comic in an attempt to say the film version " doesn't look right " and sorry but all those shop-ups and the actually film really showed is me that a direct translation of the comic version would end up looking like dingus and they did right by coming up with the version they did.
Anyways as always I have to see it's really something to be an era where a character like Ultron is in a movie and on the screen. A decade ago or better if you asked me and most comic readers if that would happen I would have shrugged and said " Notta ". I would have been just like one of those bratty kids from Ray Bradbury's All Summer In A Day about it. Yet here we are. What an age we live in and how lucky and spoiled we are to such things. Simply fantastic.
Saw it last week. Didn't really enjoy it much to be honest. It just seemed bland to me. The story wasn't all that great in my opinion. The action wasn't that exciting for me either. I dunno. Maybe it's just me. In the end, it's just not a movie i would be really thrilled to see again.
So I just watched Avengers:AoU again and I do have to say I liked it, but like many critics, have said already, there are some things about this particular movie that bothered me.
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Well, first of all, the action of course was good. Actually in parts I think it was better than the first. The director did a great job of making the team work well together. Very seemlessly. The new characters and the new lineup was special. Very special to see. And I'm glad the team has some diversity. Not just diversity in the humanity sense, but diversity from the original lineup. I could easily see THIS lineup being the "Home Team" in Civil War.
That said my problems seem to be the sort associated with many sequels. Off the top of my head it seems really weird for some of the romantic involvements through the movie. Some seemed more natural than others, but out of place all the same. More than that though, it just seemed to scream of "contractual obligations" to give Hawkeye a COMPLETELY random wife and kids... like truly out of nowhere? Not only did it slow the pace of the movie down, but it was just totally unnecessary. I couldn't help to think, why is this in the movie?
Another slight annoyance was Ultron. His creation and origin seemed a little too convenient. In addition, he seemed far too sentient than I would have ever expected. That lead a lot of wonky very non-serious dialogue from Ultron. Like, despite it being comical, his exclamation of "Oh for the love of God" when Hulk tossed him out of the Quinjet. There's also Hawkeye, with his pep talk to Scarlet Witch, him not taking himself seriously by saying "hey I'm just some guy with a bow and arrow". Just a few of those scenes just seemed rather silly than funny.
Overall, I liked the movie. But it almost seemed like it was too "the middle part" of something bigger, IMO. The Avengers, that was almost a perfect movie. There was no way AofU could capture what it did at all. It tried, but it really couldn't and they knew it.
Saw it on the weekend, really enjoyed it, might not be as good as the first one. I think I liked Winter Soldier and Guardians a lot better. Action was great and the ensemble cast all did fine.
Spader was pretty awesome as Ultron. Lots of memorable, quotable lines from him, and a very cool, menacing voice. I found it amusing that he kinda looks like the Bayformers and TF Prime version of Megatron.
I was perfectly happy with Olsen and Johnston as Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver. Pietro's funny accent reminded me of Chekov from Star Trek, which amused me. I'm torn on which movie version of Quicksilver I like more. QS's one of my favorite characters from the comics and I like both movie versions, though neither perfectly replicate the comic version.
Hulkbuster Hulk fight was awesome. I was very impressed with it and imagine the comics will likely emulate it in the future.
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QuoteMore than that though, it just seemed to scream of "contractual obligations" to give Hawkeye a COMPLETELY random wife and kids... like truly out of nowhere? Not only did it slow the pace of the movie down, but it was just totally unnecessary. I couldn't help to think, why is this in the movie?
Well Hawkeye did have a wife and kids in the Ultimate comics, but other than that, it was meant to explain what Hawkeye's been doing since Avengers since he hasn't been showing up since, and to make you think he was going to die, so that Whedon could get you with the one two punch of Quicksilver dying in his place.
Speaking of which, I was sad about that, but I'm not really ticked about it. I liked the character and would have liked to see him appear in more movies alongside his sister, but it's possible he could come back somehow (he does have a multi-film deal) and we at least still have the X-Men version for now.
I loved War Machine's appearance for the final battle. So awesome. I would have liked Falcon to show up there too.
While I didn't really mind Wanda's outfit for the movie, seeing her don a more comic-accurate costume at the end was pretty sweet (and sadly, there doesn't seem to be a picture of it online yet, but I'll give it time.
One thing y'al might want to know is that a good chunk of footage got cut from the movie, including Loki's cameo, and a longer version of Thor's "cave" subplot. It's apparently already been announced that there will be an extended cut Bluray/DVD, which I'm happy to hear about. I'd get that.
[edit] Oh I forgot to talk about Vision. I thought he was awesome. Paul Bethany did a good job portraying him, he looked cool, he got to do cool stuff in the action scenes, and his final encounter with Ultron was great. As someone who's read quite a few comics featuring the character, I think they did a great job adapting him.
Quote from: Shogunn2517 on May 06, 2015, 02:42:16 AM
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Another slight annoyance was Ultron. His creation and origin seemed a little too convenient. In addition, he seemed far too sentient than I would have ever expected. That lead a lot of wonky very non-serious dialogue from Ultron. Like, despite it being comical, his exclamation of "Oh for the love of God" when Hulk tossed him out of the Quinjet.
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His character was actually one of the things I liked best. When he was first brought into existence he researched Tony Stark. All his dialogue from then on sort of sounded like an emulated pseudo-Stark - same with his goals and ambitions. It made me think, this is what Iron Man would be if he wasn't held back in his ambitions by his humanity or association with the Avengers.
XStream Update:
(Cause I know everyone wants to know). I didn't get to see it this weekend. :(
I had forgotten that one of my little bros (not h2o for those who remember him... though h2o is already married with a family) had a ... wait for it... couples' wedding shower :doh: So yeah, there are some embarrassing photos of me in a toilet paper wedding dress now...
Worse than that, no chance of seeing the movie until Thursday night... which is my ten wedding year anniversary and not very likely. Not that Mrs. X doesn't want to go (I've come home a total of four times to find her watching Avengers alone), but we already have a babysitter for something we must do for her job tomorrow night... Hard to get a sitter twice during the week... Maybe a matinee next Saturday.
Ok, saw this yesterday morning and really, really enjoyed it. It may not have been as good as the first
Avengers movie, but I generally had fun from the time the
Ant-Man and
Fantastic Four trailers played right up until the end credits clip with a certain famous Eternal.
There was plenty of action, but enough story to keep things interesting. Especially after so many of the preview trailers had me thinking, "Wow, audiences really are just going to watch a Summer of destruction porn." And, then, self-consciously wondering if that's what I was doing, too.
Avengers: AoU had plenty of action, but it was more than that, too. It had some character development and insight into what makes the characters tick, some charm, some humor, and even some romance (though, I will agree that some of the latter was kind of odd).
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I will agree that Ultron was in some ways a bit too human. I mean, I get it that his personality was informed by Stark's snarkiness and cycnicism, but Ultron really was in many ways indistinguishable from a human villain with a metal helmet. Not altogether a bad thing, but I can see how it detracts a bit from the robot-villain-with-no-obligation-to-his-human-creators theme.
And, it's worth noting (though not necessarily a movie flaw) that Ultron was, ultimately not free of the strings that bind the flesh-based heroes he was criticizing. He was emotional and angry and arguably worried about dying.
Of course, some of that humanity in Ultron was what made him fun to watch. The "Oh, for God's sake" and "I'm glad you asked that, because I wanted to take this time to explain my evil plan <then proceeds to not explain and fights to win instead>", etc. :lol:
I was sad to see Pietro's story end the way it did. Of course, with a superspeed metabolism (not to mention a twin sister who is a witch), such things aren't really set in stone.
Anyway, there is much more to say, but I generally enjoyed the movie and the strength of it has me thinking I will want to see the next pair. Of course, without Whedon at the helm, it's less of a sure bet. But, this was fun.
I liked the film. I have a couple of thoughts about it (don't click if you didn't watch it):
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Does anyone know why Scarlet Witch's powers were changed for the film? Her powers here resembled Jean Grey's instead of Wanda's (hex bolts or Chaos magic or whatever powers she has now) :huh:
I liked Aaron Taylor-Johnson's portrayal of Quicksilver, so I was sad to see him meeting his fate, I hope he can be brought back in future films.
Quote from: windblown on May 12, 2015, 08:28:51 PM
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Does anyone know why Scarlet Witch's powers were changed for the film? Her powers here resembled Jean Grey's instead of Wanda's (hex bolts or Chaos magic or whatever powers she has now) :huh:
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When the MCU Production Team arrived at handling THOR/Asgard and setting that "magic" is just technology/science we don't understand then trying to apply it to Scarlet's Hexing Powers just didn't work without a serious amount of explanation they did not have time for. Not being able to call Scarlet and Quicksilver mutants because of the whole FOX/Disney rights issue however served as a bonus because Jean Grey wouldn't ever be within the MCU so they could easily use her power set to their advantage. Her telekinesis/telepathic powers are horribly twisted versions of them (they seem to be more destructive/manipulative in nature) and if Doctor Strange eventually takes interest in Scarlet as a student then they might be able to weave her powers with the skills he teaches her into creating "Chaos Magic" which would be very useful in battling The Infinity Gauntlet.
- CQ
So, I finally got to see it, and I absolutely loved it. I don't understand some of the rough treatment this movie is getting, because it was great. It wasn't as good as the first one, but then it really couldn't be. The first one gave us something truly unprecedented, and it gave us endless 'firsts.' We'll never have that moment again where we see Thor face off against the Hulk, Captain America in his classic costume, or the Hulk tearing through an alien army, all for the first time. That's okay, and this new movie gave us a lot of different firsts, but
The Avengers I was magic, and the genie is out of the bottle. You can't expect the next one to conjure the same sparks all over again.
Fortunately, it doesn't really try. Instead, it does something different, something great in its own way, and something that speaks clearly to the true nature of heroism (at the expense of the 'Distinguished Competition').
Here are my thoughts, in no particular order:
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I think the main thing that brought me joy while watching this movie was the same element that did so in the first one: it definitely brought the comics to life in grand fashion. There were dozens of little (and a few big) moments that just seemed to have lept off the comic page, and I loved it. They weren't as profound as the first one, but then how could they be? They were still wonderful. I got a thrill out of Black Widow calling Iron Man 'Shellhead,' the relationship between the Twins, and many other little touches.
Hawkeye's portrayal throughout was one of my favorite parts of the movie, with Quicksilver's small but wonderfully utilized bits of characterization running closely behind. It was just awesome to see Hawkeye actually BE Hawkeye and Quicksilver actually BE Quicksilver, especially after both of them not really being themselves in previous films, just being the SHAPE of the character without the heart (and yeah, Hawkeye gets a pass in Avengers 1 because of the mind control).
I think my favorite moment may have been Hawkeye's line after Quicksilver runs past him and tells him to keep up. "No one would ever know....'yeah, last time I saw him, Ultron was sitting on him...real shame, I'm gonna' miss him...'" Ha, how utterly apt.
Who noticed the relief on Thor's face after Cap's attempt at the hammer? ;)
The Vision was amazing to see on screen. I am absolutely astounded and thrilled that he looks like he stepped off the comic page...and it totally works! Of all the characters that I would have thought they would HAVE to redesign to make him work in live action, Vision was at the top of the list. The fact that they gave him a straight translation speaks more to the love and reverence these films have for the source material than just about anything else I've seen. There is no longer ANY excuse for movie adaptations of characters to not have at least a resemblance to their comic sources. All arguments to the contrary have been rendered invalid by the Visions glorious yellow cape.
As for his portrayal, that was one of the few small nitpicks I have against the movie. They did a good job with him, but I feel like he really should have been given just a bit more development. I know the pace was breakneck, but just a bit more dialog to clarify his motivations would have been really helpful.
The same is true of Ultron's rapid turn to villain. I would have liked a bit more of a journey for him as he realized the only way to be sure was to 'nuke it from orbit.' Still, the final effect was a good villain, and I liked his modus operandi, so it's a minor quibble.
Another problem I had with the movie, and once again, a minor one, was that Thor's vision in the divining pool was really poorly explained and set up. That scene either needed to be cut or expanded significantly. I'm glad to hear there's a longer version of it. I look forward to seeing it.
I'm not sure what I think of the upcoming Civil War. Folks have talked about the seeds being planted....BUT I don't know that I really see it. This movie's resolution was all about UNDOING those very moves towards discord. I'm not sure how they're going to get to a Cap vs. Tony fight, really. I mean, they've got their differences, but they have some narrative and character gymnastics to go through in order for them to disregard the lessons from this film.
The dissolution of the Avengers at the end was also sorta' surprising. I'm guessing this will lead to Cap's vs. Tony's...but once again, I don't really see how.
Back to the good, I liked the central peril of the 3rd act. The island/meteor was a neat idea, but I LOVED the double jeapordy of the inability to either sink or destroy it. You have the lives of the few against the lives of the many, but the Avengers are unwilling to make that sacrifice. I LOVE that. Heroes find a third way. That's what they do, and that whole section of the film with its undercurrent of 'our job is not just to stop the supervillian, but to save lives,' made me really happy. It was a pretty clear refutation of Man of Steel, and it was great.
Finally saw this yesterday. Going back and reading everybody's posts right now, so I'm just gonna jot some quick responses to stuff first. Since I am going to be talking about spoilers, keeping most of my points in the spoilers. That said, here's a non-spoiler-review: Don't believe the critics. Avengers 2 has some issues, sure, but it's nothing deal-breaking, and there is a lot of fun character interaction in this one that makes up for it.
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Shogun: The thing with Hawkeye having a random wife and kids... Thematically, it was to show the contrast with the other characters. Having a family is not something a lot of these characters can ever have, and having a normal guy around who had a life and family was the easiest way to bring those character developments around naturally.
That having been said, as my sister(who only knows comics by association with me and dad) was fond of pointing out, they were clearly setting up to kill him. The entire script was building to the moment when Hawkeye was going to die saving that child. And either because Marvel came down and said "No, you can't do that" or because of the legal issues with Quicksilver, or even because Joss just wanted there to be this great twist, that death was switched over to Quicksilver at the last minute. But rather than compensating and adding in more of Quicksilver to give that death meaning, 90% of the script is still built around the death of Hawkeye.
As for Ultron... he was kinda weak, if only because of how he was presented. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for the dialogue and interactions, but it would have been more meaningful had it been made clear from the start that his mind was based around Tony's. As is, Ultron basically happened due to an automated process, and he just happens to be very similar to his creator because... the needs of the plot said so. It's hard to swallow as is because the film makes no effort to give a reason for it, since all Tony really did was transfer the "AI" from the Soul Gem into his computer system, he didn't actually create it. Maybe that's better in an extended cut, but in the theatrical release that's easily one of the weaker aspects of the movie.
Speaking of weak points... Vision. I'm with Benton on this one, Vision *looks* fantastic, but he was a bit *too* perfect in this one. I'd have liked to see him a little more developed and given a bit more of a personality. That said, the bit with him looking at Thor's cape and making one for himself? That was great. I kinda wanted more bits like that.
But yeah, all criticisms aside, I really liked this one. I actually enjoyed it more than I did Avengers 1... we actually got to see a lot more of the actual Avengers this time around through all their interactions.
Quote from: Tomato on May 26, 2015, 11:19:09 AM
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Shogun: The thing with Hawkeye having a random wife and kids... Thematically, it was to show the contrast with the other characters. Having a family is not something a lot of these characters can ever have, and having a normal guy around who had a life and family was the easiest way to bring those character developments around naturally.
That having been said, as my sister(who only knows comics by association with me and dad) was fond of pointing out, they were clearly setting up to kill him. The entire script was building to the moment when Hawkeye was going to die saving that child. And either because Marvel came down and said "No, you can't do that" or because of the legal issues with Quicksilver, or even because Joss just wanted there to be this great twist, that death was switched over to Quicksilver at the last minute. But rather than compensating and adding in more of Quicksilver to give that death meaning, 90% of the script is still built around the death of Hawkeye.
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For those who also are familiar with Ultimates, which the MCU has great inspiration from, One of Hawkeye's major motivations to return to duty after retiring was the death of his wife and children when an assassin struck his home when they learned of his civilian double life. THIS makes a lot of sense since they seemed to imply that Clint quit the team at the end of Avengers 2 to spend more time with his family upon seeing Quicksilver sacrifice himself even after they didn't along very well. I could see Clint picking up his gear again if his farm and family was attacked because he refused to join the government's new program during CIVIL WAR. Why else show him returning home for good and then just a few films later have him back in action again unless something major shifted his priorities in life.
I'm not sure, but there was talks about an extended version of the movie coming out on DVD/ Blu-Ray. While the movie was great, I felt that they left out a lot of stuff.
Good points:
Ultron is pretty great and Jeremy Renner improved a bit.
Bad points:
Everything else.
How much will it take for Hawkeyes family to be killed? :doh:
And how are they planing to pull off Civil War if there is less then 10 people with superpowers?Civil Bar Brawl isnt that catchy.Please without the Inhumans from Agents...Just dont. <_<
Quote from: Spade on June 27, 2015, 03:51:56 PM
How much will it take for Hawkeyes family to be killed? :doh:
And how are they planing to pull off Civil War if there is less then 10 people with superpowers?Civil Bar Brawl isnt that catchy.Please without the Inhumans from Agents...Just dont. <_<
Since they officially revealed that Season 3 of AoS is about "Secret Warriors".. MCU is going to be filled with new Inhumans being transformed (FOX owns Mutants.. so Inhumans will be the source of sudden power gain. It's part of the MCU and we just need to deal with it!) and the race between Skye's team to collect them all and Ward's new Hydra rising into power. These elements will be the key storylines going into where Captain America: Civil War begins next year. So, yes.. Inhumans WILL be moving into the MCU at large for being the huge upswing in new heroes and villains popping up everywhere. However, Secret Warriors (Skye's team) will be kept just to the series even thru Civil War because they will be collecting all of the heroes that will be moved into Avengers Academy (that's the huge training facility seen in Age Of Ultron) with Skye keeping her own selected team with her on the new BUS. So, expect to see all kinds of B-List and C-List heroes showing up this season from all over the Marvel comic index.
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Now as for Hawkeye's family... well, Hawkeye officially retired from Avengers at the end of Age Of Ultron. Buuuuuttt yet Hawkeye is listed among the cast for Civil War and his family also is listed in the cast as well. What would be the reason why Hawkeye picks up his bow again? To protect his family and make sure their secret hidden life.. stays that way.
- CQ
If Tony's agenda would include putting their identity into the open--then yeah, that would probably do it.
I noticed the Avengers training facility at the end of the movie,thank you.
With 4 people in training.Honestly the whole thing with Terrigen mists leaking out and mutating people didnt really make sense,but hell,roll with it.
The lines in this movie...just...
Hes multiplying faster then catholic rabbits!Seriously,Nick,what does that even mean?
I cant have kids,Im a monster!
Lady,you just redefined insulting.
Quote from: Spade on June 27, 2015, 05:49:52 PM
I noticed the Avengers training facility at the end of the movie,thank you.
With 4 people in training.
You saw the training facility and the 4 new Avengers in costume.. but missed the dozens of young adults with drill instructors all over the scenes of that Academy. Guess you were busy twitching at the Whedon dialog.
There are students already there from the Index that Nick Fury already called into play. The Inhumans thing was just to give the MCU the "mutation" factor for more extreme powers without an origin.
- CQ
People running around the facility are never addressed as Avengers,so they could be SHIELD agents or something?Now,Im sure there is some tie-in episode that explains all that,but I dont care.
Dialog?Thats maybe a strong word.
Quote from: Spade on June 28, 2015, 05:47:37 AM
People running around the facility are never addressed as Avengers,so they could be SHIELD agents or something?Now,Im sure there is some tie-in episode that explains all that,but I dont care.
Dialog?Thats maybe a strong word.
They are not, in fact, SHIELD agents. SHIELD as an organization is separate from the group assisting the Avengers although they did supply.
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The new Helicarrier
Okay,so I gotta ask.How do you know that people running drills are the New Avengers?
Because there's an entire show dedicated to SHIELD and what we saw at the end doesn't match up to them at all, nor does it feature any insignia or logos dedicated to SHIELD. If the trainees were shield, they'd have the logo on their uniforms. Furthermore, I don't think Cap would want SHIELD back in any capacity, much less be the one leading it.
So...they are training a bunch of ordinary people to be Avengers?Is Tony gonna give them all armor or something?
That wouldnt be suprising at this point.
Quote from: Spade on June 28, 2015, 06:04:44 PM
So...they are training a bunch of ordinary people to be Avengers?Is Tony gonna give them all armor or something?
That wouldnt be suprising at this point.
I think you are reading way to much into things. It's just a movie. Relax.
I realise that.Not so sure about some other people. XD
Quote from: Spade on June 27, 2015, 05:49:52 PM
I noticed the Avengers training facility at the end of the movie,thank you.
With 4 people in training.Honestly the whole thing with Terrigen mists leaking out and mutating people didnt really make sense,but hell,roll with it.
The lines in this movie...just...
Hes multiplying faster then catholic rabbits!Seriously,Nick,what does that even mean?
I cant have kids,Im a monster!
Lady,you just redefined insulting.
Why doesn't the Terrigen mist thing make sense? Random people are going to get exposed to it, and any with inhuman ancestry will get powers. What's hard to follow there?
And like so much of the internet, you've decided two statements are actually one causal statement. It's not that she's a monster because she can't have kids, but rather like Bruce, she can't have kids, and like Bruce, she sees herself as a monster.
And if you really don't understand the Catholic rabbits statement, then I don't know what to say, other than that someone who doesn't get it probably shouldn't be criticizing writing.
^Yes,if I dont like the same thing a you,that makes me an idiot.Didnt see that one coming.
Terrigen mist doesnt just work for random people.And now every superhero is gonna be part Inhuman?Belivable.
IIRC it was:I cant have children.Your not the only monster here.Yeah,thats open for interpretation.
And seriously you think Catholic rabbits is good writing?Again,seriously? XD
There is nothing to gett in that line,btw.But you just trying to insult,so why why you care what I said? XD
Guys, tread lightly. This discussion is starting to deteriorate, and I don't want things to deteriorate into personal attacks. Again. If you are not capable of making comments without insulting people, DO NOT POST.
That said, Spade, I'm gonna PM you an explanation of the Catholic thing. Because there IS something to get there, but this isn't the place for it.
Let me make it clear.I was just baffled how dumb the line is in given situation.I KNOW WHAT HE MEANT.
Hey Guys, just remember that it's just a movie. An awesome movie, but still just a movie. On a side note, I'm looking forward to the DVD/ Blu-ray to see what was left out.
Quote from: JeyNyce on June 30, 2015, 11:42:41 AM
On a side note, I'm looking forward to the DVD/ Blu-ray to see what was left out.
Completely agree! Remember folks there was almost an HOUR of footage removed from the final film because of scenes that Whedon shot but had to cut down and then Marvel asked him to add all of their tie-in scenes on top of it all.
So, we know there is...
A. Extended Scene In Hel/Asgard with Loki and Heimdall (which we only caught like 30 seconds of the entire scene).
B. Extended Scene In The Pool Of Sight (which we also only caught like 60 seconds of the entire scene) including the Water Spirit which we only caught a glipse of in the trailers.
C. Extended Scene Of Black Widow's Past In The Red Room
D. The Missing Scene Of Hulk's Vision (rumored to be about him seeing the world turning against The Hulk).
E. Extended Scene Of Vision's Origin
and several other scenes.. including a few that never got past the storyboarding stage (least that is the rumor).
- CQ
Man, I want to see ALL of those things!
You know, I'm not going to be anywhere nearly as critical as Spade is, but I see what he's saying (to an extent).
IMO, the show (MAOS) and the movies are purposely following different tracks. I think they're not coordinating together, but the show is trying to keep in the movies consistancy. That said, if the movie has different looks than the show, that's because I don't think they're paying that much attention to what the show is doing. I doubt the Inhumans movie will pay attention to what the show did. This also includes the "cadets" at the Avengers facility at the end of the movie. I don't see how it's remotely possible they are anything but SHIELD agents. I mean if Captain America had a problem with SHIELD being over protective, how is he suppose to be okay with building an army of Avengers rather than a team? I mean, he's clearly happy to have SHIELD's help, but his team of Avengers ARE the Avengers(Black Widow, War Machine, Falcon, Vision, Scarlet Witch). They will be THE ONLY Avengers in Civil War. Hulk is gone. Thor is gone. Hawkeye and Iron Man are reserved members or retired. They in fact might be on the other side, with SHIELD and Black Panther of the civil war of Captain America: Civil War. So, no, it won't be a 50 vs 50 or 20 vs 20 brawl. There will be heroes involved. But the only folks Capt will have are his Avengers. Iron Man may have SHIELD, I expect Black Panther(who might be the "Spiderman role"), and maybe Ant-Man based on Pym's prior connections. And ultimately, MAOS will tie itself in and it will be really cool, but those guys running around the Avengers facility, can't possibly be "Avengers". Can't imagine a circumstance they would have powers. That's just a little too much. Why would they introduce off camera heroes? That doesn't make sense to me.
This is what I think and then can we please put this to rest before it gets out of hand?
I'm not sure who those people were at the end of Age of Ultron. The could be SHIELD agents or Stark employees or a combination of the two who are now working for Cap and the Avengers (Remember Tony did say that Cap was the boss). The whole civil war thing could involved the Inhumans up to a point. Remember that SHIELD has a list of people who have powers and after what happen in AoU, people may get afraid of super powered people which may start the reg act which would start the civil war. Like I said, this is just me guessing.
Why would they even want to adapt Civil War,I dont know.But obviously it will be very loosely adapted.
Quote from: JeyNyce on June 30, 2015, 06:17:24 PM
This is what I think and then can we please put this to rest before it gets out of hand?
I'm not sure who those people were at the end of Age of Ultron. The could be SHIELD agents or Stark employees or a combination of the two who are now working for Cap and the Avengers (Remember Tony did say that Cap was the boss). The whole civil war thing could involved the Inhumans up to a point. Remember that SHIELD has a list of people who have powers and after what happen in AoU, people may get afraid of super powered people which may start the reg act which would start the civil war. Like I said, this is just me guessing.
I hear you. Also keep in mind they just revealed that season 3's SIELD's superhero team will be Secret Warriors. Whatever that means and if/how it connects to the Avengers is still a mystery.
Quote from: Spade on June 30, 2015, 06:39:12 PM
Why would they even want to adapt Civil War,I dont know.But obviously it will be very loosely adapted.
Because it's awesome. Everything you like is bad, everything you don't like is good.
Quote from: Spade on June 29, 2015, 05:50:29 PM
^Yes,if I dont like the same thing a you,that makes me an idiot.Didnt see that one coming.
Terrigen mist doesnt just work for random people.And now every superhero is gonna be part Inhuman?Belivable.
IIRC it was:I cant have children.Your not the only monster here.Yeah,thats open for interpretation.
And seriously you think Catholic rabbits is good writing?Again,seriously? XD
There is nothing to gett in that line,btw.But you just trying to insult,so why why you care what I said? XD
Disregarding most of this, because whatever, but bunches of inhumans in the regular population is something Marvel has been pushing for a while now. "Every superhero" is hyperbolic nonsense, but this lets them introduce powered people whenever they feel like. Inhumans are the new mutants, at least for the MCU.
This is the way I see it, Civil War is just like the comic, but instead of Super heroes, replace it with Inhumans. This will also will have the same sub-plot as X-men as not being treat fair. This one of the good/ bad thing with comics these days. Given a certain situation, the people it affects are interchangeable. Replace Mutants with Inhumans, Ta-Da!
@BWPS Thanks for that.I havent laughed like this in a long time. XD
But your obviously Mark Millar fan,and I try to avoid persons like you.Expecialy if they act like a fifth grader.Which they ussualy are. XD
Always the same 3 persons and their petty insults.You have monopoly on Marvel thread or what? XD
Quote from: Spade on July 01, 2015, 05:17:48 AM
@BWPS Thanks for that.I havent laughed like this in a long time. XD
But your obviously Mark Millar fan,and I try to avoid persons like you.Expecialy if they act like a fifth grader.Which they ussualy are. XD
Always the same 3 persons and their petty insults.You have monopoly on Marvel thread or what? XD
I just like stooping to levels.
Quote from: BWPS on July 01, 2015, 04:15:03 PM
Quote from: Spade on July 01, 2015, 05:17:48 AM
@BWPS Thanks for that.I havent laughed like this in a long time. XD
But your obviously Mark Millar fan,and I try to avoid persons like you.Expecialy if they act like a fifth grader.Which they ussualy are. XD
Always the same 3 persons and their petty insults.You have monopoly on Marvel thread or what? XD
I just like stooping to levels.
You obviously a sock puppet,so Im just ignoring you. :thumbup:
Stop with the insults and name calling. We are adults (I hope) talking about a movie that we either love, hate, or have mixed feeling about. We do not always agreed, but we do hear each other opinions with respect. If anybody have a problem with this please let me know. Thank you
I will try to explain my opinion,but I know rationality is lost on some people.
1)Its not really important how somebody got their powers,except to people IN the MU.If a guy is trying to set you on fire,do you give a crap was he born with fire powers or did he stand to close to a reactor?But I have to comment:
Terrigen mist was more of an analogy for puberty and growing up,and less of empowering fairy dust.And sometimes it failed on the Inhumans themselves IIRC.It required training and preparation for 100% Inhumans.And its a bit of a stretch for it to work on people who didn't know their grandma was Inhuman,IMO.
2) Civil War.Its a somewhat passable idea,but terribly executed.What was the Act actually about?WHAT DID IT SAY,EXACTLY?Which side was right?They flipped that,OFTEN.The movie may actually fix some of these thing.But that remains to be seen.
Implying people are not rational for not understanding your opinion is not helping your arguments Spade. Neither is being insulting to people who are making their case to you.
I've said this once, and I will say it again(and this applies to people responding as well): be very careful here. You have been walking dangerously close to where you were not that long ago, where every post you all made was nothing more than a personal attack. It is NOT ok to call someone dumb or not rational because they don't share your opinions. If you cannot post a response without getting upset, do not post.
Quote from: Tomato on July 06, 2015, 03:52:32 PM
Implying people are not rational for not understanding your opinion is not helping your arguments Spade. Neither is being insulting to people who are making their case to you.
I've said this once, and I will say it again(and this applies to people responding as well): be very careful here. You have been walking dangerously close to where you were not that long ago, where every post you all made was nothing more than a personal attack. It is NOT ok to call someone dumb or not rational because they don't share your opinions. If you cannot post a response without getting upset, do not post.
If you actually tried to read my post,you would realise I wasnt INSULTING ANYONE.I was talking about the Inhumans specificly.If you have nothing to contribute to that theme,then dont bother posting anything. ;)
Quote from: Spade on July 06, 2015, 07:12:32 AM
I will try to explain my opinion,but I know rationality is lost on some people.
Quote from: Tomato on July 06, 2015, 03:52:32 PM
Implying people are not rational for not understanding your opinion is not helping your arguments Spade. Neither is being insulting to people who are making their case to you.
I've said this once, and I will say it again(and this applies to people responding as well): be very careful here. You have been walking dangerously close to where you were not that long ago, where every post you all made was nothing more than a personal attack. It is NOT ok to call someone dumb or not rational because they don't share your opinions. If you cannot post a response without getting upset, do not post.
Again guys, can we please go back to the subject about the movie. Talk about the characters, the upcoming DVD/ Blu-ray, anything, but if this keeps up I was be force to lock the thread and temporary ban users. Remember, if you have any issues, please come talk to me or any other admin/ Mods here. Thanks
1)Its not really important how somebody got their powers,except to people IN the MU.If a guy is trying to set you on fire,do you give a crap was he born with fire powers or did he stand to close to a reactor?But I have to comment:
Terrigen mist was more of an analogy for puberty and growing up,and less of empowering fairy dust.And sometimes it failed on the Inhumans themselves IIRC.It required training and preparation for 100% Inhumans.And its a bit of a stretch for it to work on people who didn't know their grandma was Inhuman,IMO.
2) Civil War.Its a somewhat passable idea,but terribly executed.What was the Act actually about?WHAT DID IT SAY,EXACTLY?Which side was right?They flipped that,OFTEN.The movie may actually fix some of these thing.But that remains to be seen.
Quote from: Spade on July 06, 2015, 04:50:50 PM
1)Its not really important how somebody got their powers,except to people IN the MU.If a guy is trying to set you on fire,do you give a crap was he born with fire powers or did he stand to close to a reactor?But I have to comment:
Terrigen mist was more of an analogy for puberty and growing up,and less of empowering fairy dust.And sometimes it failed on the Inhumans themselves IIRC.It required training and preparation for 100% Inhumans.And its a bit of a stretch for it to work on people who didn't know their grandma was Inhuman,IMO.
2) Civil War.Its a somewhat passable idea,but terribly executed.What was the Act actually about?WHAT DID IT SAY,EXACTLY?Which side was right?They flipped that,OFTEN.The movie may actually fix some of these thing.But that remains to be seen.
That may have been how the Terrigen mists worked initially, but it's been retconned by the comics themselves within the past few years. Black Bolt detonated a terrigen bomb, or some such, in the atmosphere, and random people with traces of inhuman ancestry have been getting powers. It may not be your opinion on how it should work, but it's how Marvel has decided it works.
I always took it that the training, etc. that inhumans did before getting powers was to deal with the potentially massive changes to themselves afterward, and learning to control their powers once they had them.
Most of my info on Inhumans comes from the Marvel Knights series.And its intentionaly vague how the mist works.And yeah,I know some of the recent stuff that happend.Blackbolt going rogue?Or going Cyclops as some have said. XD
But back on the subject.As a source of superpowers,the mist is good as any other.
I think they've got a great opportunity to make something good out of something bad. The comic may have been terrible, but the movies have shown the ability to harvest the essences of the characters and plots, put the archetypal souls of these characters on screen. The actual concept of Civil War is an interesting one. It isn't the superhero vs. superhero angle that makes it so, but the actual question at the heart of the story: who has the right to play hero? The question of personal liberty vs. governmental control is a pertinent one these days, and has been for a really long time. A superhero movie that actually explores that could be great.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeDJAKvcZ9o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeDJAKvcZ9o)
Honest Trailer :thumbup:
We saw great Marvel villains like Loki and...I guess its just Loki...
Honest Trailers, I love you! :wub:
Honest Trailers is hilarious. And, they have sort of turned shooting fish in a barrel into a perfect gig. If HT makes fun of a good movie, it's a win because people like watching clips of good movies while admitting that even most good movies have some things in them that don't make much sense. (And, HT doesn't take an extremist, indefensible position that every movie they parody is aweful; instead they say, "That movie was fun to watch, but look at some of the crazy that is in it".) On the other hand, if HT makes fun of a bad movie, it's a win because people enjoy snickering at a big production that fails in an epic way.