Any Game of Thrones watchers on these boards?
I have been collecting the Blurays. I have seen the whole first season and about to pick up season 2
What were your thoughts on the first season?
I'm watching it weekly ... interesting show. I don't think I've ever seen such a slow boil fantasy series on TV before.
Has anyone watched the latest episode? What did you think about the fight between the Viper and the Mountain?
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Even in this spoiler I won't really spoil it, but the Viper fought and acted like a Sith from Star Wars. If you know Star Wars you know what a Sith's greatest weakness is.
FYI, I do want to note before this thread goes any further, the board is called... Film, Television, Video and Music Discussion.
If you read the books, not saying your contributions are unwarranted, but this is not what that is for.
Quote from: Shogunn2517 on June 02, 2014, 05:18:16 PM
FYI, I do want to note before this thread goes any further, the board is called... Film, Television, Video and Music Discussion.
If you read the books, not saying your contributions are unwarranted, but this is not what that is for.
Umm but GoT is on television. Am I missing something?
I think he's saying that the book readers should refrain from spoiling things for those who don't read the books. Not that I think that matters, because I think the show will catch up well before the book series finally ends.
Love the show. Great cast, production, story, everything. Def one of the best on TV. Also very unpredictable, for me anyway since I didn't read the books. Once you think everything is going the way it should, it completely changes when you least expect it.
The latest episode was the best one in the season, lots of great stuff happened. Viper vs Mountain was great!
Next week
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it's 102 Crows vs 10000 wildlings! Can't wait.
Quote from: Tomato on June 02, 2014, 05:40:31 PM
I think he's saying that the book readers should refrain from spoiling things for those who don't read the books. Not that I think that matters, because I think the show will catch up well before the book series finally ends.
Ahh I see. I haven't read the books thank god, so I didn't know what was coming.
It's a great show, if more than a little dark. I have read the books, but I'll keep any spoilers to myself. Red Viper vs. the Mountain was very well done, and even more horrific to watch than read. Poor Tyrion!
Quote from: Tomato on June 02, 2014, 05:40:31 PM
I think he's saying that the book readers should refrain from spoiling things for those who don't read the books. Not that I think that matters, because I think the show will catch up well before the book series finally ends.
BINGO!
Sorry, don't mean to sound so grim, but my best friend just spoiled the season finale for me. Known her for years but I never knew she read the A Song of Ice and Fire series until last night. So I'm a little bummed about that.
That and I accidently spoiled next week's episode for myself a year ago trying to refresh who some of the characters were with Wikipedia before Season 2 started.
I can imagine a lot of non-book readers being shocked by The Mountain vs The Viper ... although I preferred the fight in the book, the TV version really did ratchet up the tension knowing how it was going to end. Yikes, and what an ending! I'm a big fan of Pedro Pascal now ... he totally sold a relatively minor book character in a short amount of time.
Also, Sansa turning into "Dark Sansa" was great ... it's nice to see her finally get a chance not to be a victim any more.
The only thing I didn't really dig was the Greyworm subplot ... it was necessary character development for those characters, but it didn't really interest me as much as everything else that happened in this episode.
Anyway, I'm looking forward to all the big character deaths that are going to play out in the next two episodes!
Im up to date with the show.Does this seems realy sloooow to you guys?
As a whole? Not really. Can't get ahead of the books either way. This last season is a bit slower, I agree, but I still like it a lot. This last episode was phenomenal. GoT usually gets faster paced as you get closer to season finale.
Pumped for new episodes each week, can't wait for next one.
^Last episode only had suprisingly little boobs.Thats unusual. :/
Quote from: Starman on June 03, 2014, 05:20:57 AM
I can imagine a lot of non-book readers being shocked by The Mountain vs The Viper ... although I preferred the fight in the book, the TV version really did ratchet up the tension knowing how it was going to end. Yikes, and what an ending! I'm a big fan of Pedro Pascal now ... he totally sold a relatively minor book character in a short amount of time.
Also, Sansa turning into "Dark Sansa" was great ... it's nice to see her finally get a chance not to be a victim any more.
The only thing I didn't really dig was the Greyworm subplot ... it was necessary character development for those characters, but it didn't really interest me as much as everything else that happened in this episode.
Anyway, I'm looking forward to all the big character deaths that are going to play out in the next two episodes!
See, this is what I'm talking about. Come on, Starman. "Big character deaths" in the next two episodes? I know it's Game of Thrones and I personally know a character or two that will make it to season 5, but really? For the sake of personal preservation, I'd like to think by "big character" your talking about Hodor and Robin Arryn. But you're probably not.
Shhhhhs!
That's not a spoiler.
* I don't work on the show, so it's just speculation
* I didn't name any of the characters I thought would die
* It's Game of Thrones ... everyone knows that characters are going to die, its the signature move of the show.
A spoiler would be me saying I'm excited to see how the show handles the deaths of
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Ygritte (killed by the kid she orphaned?), Tywin (killed by Tyrion while taking a dump?), Shae (I'm not sure how they'll do this one ... maybe killed by Tyrion with the crossbow? Murdered by Tywin?), The Hound (whether they will actually show him die or have Arya kill him will be a big indicator for his possible return in the books), Beric Dondarion (will we get to see him die to revive Lady Stonehart?), The Mountain (will we get to see him die onscreen and become Ser Robert Strong), some Night's Watch faces (who is going to go down like a hero fighting the giant in the tunnel?), etc
... but without hiding those names and the way they die.
Going by the book 1 more person will definitly die this season.
FWIW, I think the point of urging non-spoileriness is that people who haven't read the books have no idea whether any other major character is surely going to die at all for sure, much less who it is. With a show based on a set of popular books, it can be tough to tell whether someone's comment about a character death (even if there is an attempt to avoid specifics) is just speculation or if it should be taken to mean that a major death definitely will happen because it must have happened in the books. To the extent that the show sticks pretty close to the books on the major plot points, having read the book is like having an advanced copy of the script and revealing what's in that script would be a spoiler.
BTW, I have not read the books (though I am considering it), but I am up-to-date on the aired episodes. So far, one of the aspects of the show that I enjoy the most is that it's a really well done show that has engaging characters, even when I am not rooting for them. In that regard, it's somewhat like The Sopranos, which I would say went even further in that direction by having no major character that I liked as persons, but I found the show overall to be very compelling.
Show differs from the books,but charachter deaths are consistent in both versions.
I will be kinda sorry when
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Tywin
dies.
Quote from: stumpy on June 05, 2014, 06:09:48 AM
FWIW, I think the point of urging non-spoileriness is that people who haven't read the books have no idea whether any other major character is surely going to die at all for sure, much less who it is.
This. Even saying a character(s) will die (without mentioning the name) by the end of the season is a spoiler. This is the show where anything goes. I really want to be surprised when I get to see the show, without a slightest clue what's about to happen. Tnx for understanding ;)
QuoteThis. Even saying a character(s) will die (without mentioning the name) by the end of the season is a spoiler. This is the show where anything goes.
So you've watched this show for four seasons ... a show where each season has had slews of major character deaths, like
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Viserys, Robert, Ned Stark, The Red Wedding, etc
... especially in the final few episodes of each season ... and you still consider it a spoiler if someone speculates that there will be "major character deaths"?
You don't just take that as a given already after four years? As you said "this is the show where anything goes"...
That wasn't meant for anyone in particular, just for future reference mostly. And while the probability of someone major dying near the end of the season is pretty high, I still don't know that 100% until I watch it. I remember when
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red wedding episode was about to air people were saying "oh it's going down", "this is gonna be bloddy", even before Goffrey died people were like "the king better watch what he drinks..." and things like that
So it was not directed to anyone in particular in this thread, its just how things like this usually go.
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"A game of thrones episode without at least three deaths is considered a dull affair."
-Guy who I've got my money on dying by the end of the season.
Good God, you people don't know how hard it is to NOT want to click on those SPOILERS. It's too much to resist. Especially when they're given NO sort of prefix like with Reepicheep just did. Are you talking about the guy who just died in Tyrion's trial or are you talking about the death of another Baretheon? I never read the books and I'm not saying that's happening. I'm just remarking on the paradox of wanting to talk about a book on a thread about a TV show where this stuff doesn't happen.
Seriously Reepicheep. What are you talking about? Are you trying to discuss what just happened in the last episode or episodes prior without trying to spoil for someone who hasn't caught up yet or are you talking about a book? Because there's a big difference. Huge difference. And you're not even saying which, which I may assume with this being a thread about a TV show, you want to talk about a TV show, but click on your tag and you tell me something that's going to happen midway through next season...
That's what I'm afraid of with this thread.
Again, I appreciate you guys WANTING to talk about the Game of Thrones, but there are plenty of us who have no interest in discussing the A Song of Ice and Fire book series. Like at all. And tempting us with SPOILERS all up and down this thread is really what I don't think the thread is for. I would like to think the thread is about talking about what we just SAW(not read) on T.V. You know, that's kind of why we're discussing it on the "Film, Television, Video and Music Discussion" forum. But saying "Man I wonder how the show's going to show SPOILER dying" or "I remember when SPOILER came back and SPOILER happened". Or worse just "SPOILER". I would like to think you're talking about the show, but how do I know you're not? This is just too much info.
So please, PLEASE, pretty please... I ask really kindly can we please keep the conversation ABOUT what just happened in the show?
I didnt read the books,but its hard to separate it from the show when you talk about it.
May I recomend that we put in spoilers only stuff that HAVENT aired?Since most of the people are up to date with the show.
Well I disagree. Not everyone is up to date with the show. And this thread might be useful for them. Whether the show is worth watching or not etc. So I suggest we only discuss things that have aired here including cast announcements for next season. The spoilers I posted are from the things that have happened just not to spoil it for someone who is not up to date.
Things that are gonna happen IMO belong to the book discussion thread, anyone can feel free to create one.
That creates problems.I wanted to talk about ep 8,but now I have to worry somebody doesnt know Ned Stark dies?
Do we put everything in spoiler,create a separate thred for people who dont watch or what?
To each his own. But I, myself put every major plot development in spoilers. That way anyone who doesn't want to get spoiled can read the entire thread without any risks and see whether people recommend the show or not. This way both people who are up to date and those who are behind can discuss without any risks. Anyone who watched the show can open the spoilers and discuss freely.
The only reason I mentioned separate thread was to discuss things that are yet to happen, since I don't see the point discussing that unless you've read the books.
So,I hope the next episode is finaly Wildlings attacking the wall?
Btw shouldnt Stannis be there already?
Quote from: bat1987 on June 07, 2014, 11:49:12 AM
To each his own. But I, myself put every major plot development in spoilers. That way anyone who doesn't want to get spoiled can read the entire thread without any risks and see whether people recommend the show or not. This way both people who are up to date and those who are behind can discuss without any risks. Anyone who watched the show can open the spoilers and discuss freely.
The only reason I mentioned separate thread was to discuss things that are yet to happen, since I don't see the point discussing that unless you've read the books.
This is what I mean though. Some folks are putting SPOILER on their post and I'm not entirely confident at all that they are just talking about the TV show. I'd like to think they're talking about the show, I'd like to talk about it, but just putting SPOILERS about plots and characters of things currently happening in the book but not the show, particularly on a thread about the show, is gravely misleading.
But oddly enough, on topic of the show... Which might be doing what I'm asking for those who read the book to NOT do.
In other words, despite not even cracking a page of the books open once, I might be spoiling the TV series with this question...
Has anyone noticed...
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that pretty much everything Melisandre has predicted since season 2 has come true?
Since the premiere of the second season, I would begin each season by watching the entire series, one episode a night to end on the Saturday night before the start of the season. While dong this for this season I noticed that its pretty much true.
^Voodo leeches do work.Oh yeah,Balon has yet to die.
Quote from: Spade on June 07, 2014, 02:05:02 PM
So,I hope the next episode is finaly Wildlings attacking the wall?
Yup, def seems that way. Should be pretty epic.
Some action would be great.This season overall was very slow.Im not sure if I will be watching the next season.
It is a bit of a slower season. But i think the dialogue is strong enough and there were some pretty big moments, so I enjoyed the season for sure.
Imo the show degenerated after season 2.Or I just got bored of it.
Villans always wining is repetative,frankly.
Quote from: Shogunn2517 on June 07, 2014, 04:21:52 AM
Good God, you people don't know how hard it is to NOT want to click on those SPOILERS. It's too much to resist. Especially when they're given NO sort of prefix like with Reepicheep just did. Are you talking about the guy who just died in Tyrion's trial or are you talking about the death of another Baretheon? I never read the books and I'm not saying that's happening. I'm just remarking on the paradox of wanting to talk about a book on a thread about a TV show where this stuff doesn't happen.
Seriously Reepicheep. What are you talking about? Are you trying to discuss what just happened in the last episode or episodes prior without trying to spoil for someone who hasn't caught up yet or are you talking about a book? Because there's a big difference. Huge difference. And you're not even saying which, which I may assume with this being a thread about a TV show, you want to talk about a TV show, but click on your tag and you tell me something that's going to happen midway through next season...
Apologies for the confusion! I haven't read the books and my limited horizons on the internet have gifted me with a blissful ignorance of what is happening next. My post was a comment on how banal Starman's hint was, since major characters drop like flies on this show - I'd be more surprised if we get to the end of the season with a 100% survival. This spoiler is for you, 100% uneducated speculation!
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It was a quote from Sir Jorah. I think he's the next major to die. Or at least soon. This show has a habit of preparing someone for a major development, then killing them.
But yes, I would rather be surprised.
Please do refrain from giving suggestions or hints as to what is happening next, even if it is imminent. Instead, please lean back in your chair and smile sagely and knowingly, that we are all suffering in suspense and you are elevated in your omniscience. Otherwise the folks who are watching the show sans book will be avoiding discussion in this thread.
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^Jorah will not die.
Quote from: Spade on June 08, 2014, 10:45:05 AM
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^Jorah will not die.
Don't tell me this stuff! Now I have to go back to speculating!
Its impossible to have internet and not know these things.
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Tywin
Ygreete
are marked for death.
Spade, seriously ...
Come on people it like not knowing Titanic sinks...
Spade, that is really not cool. If people don't want to be told what happens in a story, even if it seems glaringly obvious to you, it is mean-spirited to tell them.
Ok guys, here's what we're going to do, since some of you seem incapable of NOT talking about spoilers and this is starting to get out of hand.
For spoilers for the show itself, you do this:
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I'm a spoiler about the show. I'd put something here, but since I don't actually watch GoT, I know nothing to spoil
If you are determined to talk about the book spoilers, or if you have a reasonable suspicion that something
THAT HAS NOT YET AIRED is going to happen, do this:
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I'm a book spoiler. Because even though a good five members requested that you not spoil stuff from the books, people just can't help poking the tiger.
Fair enough?
I have edited a couple posts to put spoiler tags around the reveals. It only takes a second to use the spoiler tags. And, in a thread where so many posts have been about how people don't want to hear book-informed spoilers about what's going to come, using the spoiler tags is a trivially easy courtesy.
If people who have read the books want to discuss how the books and the television series differ or how soon the plot points in the books are likely to appear on the TV show or similar topics, just start another thread. "Game of Thrones: Book Learnin' Edition" would do nicely. ;-) [EDIT] Or adopt a system for spoilers, like the one Tomato proposes above.
We are actually doing very little disscusion here about the show.Ok lets use spolilers,not that everyone is gona click them anyway.
So lets get the ball rolling,anyone?
I had a comment about Daenerys. I like that they are making her wiser as time goes on. Her move in the last episode
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where she changes her mind about summarily executing the Wise Masters of Yunkai, was a smart move tactically. On top of showing mercy that will increase her popularity among the people (while still taking blood from unrepentant Masters), she will gain allies by doing things that way. She is giving a choice to those who live and their taking the way out that she offers them will be seen as an endorsement of her regime. But, she is additionally clever by having Jorah tell Daario that Jorah changed her mind on the matter. That gives Jorah something to save a bit a of face, since he is clearly jealous of the physical encounter Daario has had with Daenerys. And, it lets Daario know that their encounter doesn't elevate him in influence over her other advisers.
On the other hand, either she is less wise than she would seem to be from scenes like that one, or the show is pulling some Three's Company-esque miscommunication games.
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It's not surprising that Daenerys is upset to find that Jorah was sent to her and has been sending information back to Varys. But, her decision to toss him out is ill-considered. First, while he obviously feels some obligation to Varys, I think it's clear that Jorah is loyal to her. Second, from what we have seen, he has only sent Varys information that pretty much anyone following her movements (even from a distance) would know. Even her pregnancy wasn't really much of a secret. Third, why not use his position as a known mole to send disinformation back to Varys, when it suits her? A well-timed misdirect when she is planning an attack somewhere could be a huge advantage to her.
And, I understand that she has an axe to grind against Varys, but that's all the more reason to use his own weapons against him.
IMO she did some stupid things lately.
Quote from: stumpy on June 08, 2014, 05:26:55 PM
On the other hand, either she is less wise than she would seem to be from scenes like that one, or the show is pulling some Three's Company-esque miscommunication games. Spoiler
It's not surprising that Daenerys is upset to find that Jorah was sent to her and has been sending information back to Varys. But, her decision to toss him out is ill-considered. First, while he obviously feels some obligation to Varys, I think it's clear that Jorah is loyal to her. Second, from what we have seen, he has only sent Varys information that pretty much anyone following her movements (even from a distance) would know. Even her pregnancy wasn't really much of a secret. Third, why not use his position as a known mole to send disinformation back to Varys, when it suits her? A well-timed misdirect when she is planning an attack somewhere could be a huge advantage to her.
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If I'm watching it right, I would say that Daenerys is choosing to settle down and rethink invading Westeros. By choosing that moment to banish Sir Friendzone, he can only reveal that she isn't posing a threat to the realm. That may be her own way of feeding (false?) information, while also eliminating Jorah as a spy.
Spade:
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Dammit, Spade!
I never finished watching Titanic!
Quote from: Reepicheep on June 08, 2014, 07:03:59 PMSpade:
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Dammit, Spade!
I never finished watching Titanic!
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No worries. I am pretty sure everything turned out okay. It didn't get much plot development in the early part of the movie, but there was a secret evil bad guy, Count VonMoustachetwirl, who was planning on kidnapping Rose. However, he slipped on some spit on the deck and fell overboard. He landed in just the right spot to cushion the Titanic from the ice berg and there was only minimal damage to the ship. But, part of the refrigeration unit for the kitchens was disabled and the passengers had no choice but to eat the delicious ice creams and cakes before they went bad. The movie ends with Jack and Rose happily sitting together overlooking the waters near the Grand Banks, their faces still covered in chocolate sauce and cream cheese icing, as Jack looks adoringly on several polar bears riding the ice floes and comments that he hopes it never gets so warm that the polar bears disappear. Fin. :lol:
Quote from: stumpy on June 08, 2014, 09:05:42 PM
Quote from: Reepicheep on June 08, 2014, 07:03:59 PMSpade:
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Dammit, Spade!
I never finished watching Titanic!
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No worries. I am pretty sure everything turned out okay. It didn't get much plot development in the early part of the movie, but there was a secret evil bad guy, Count VonMoustachetwirl, who was planning on kidnapping Rose. However, he slipped on some spit on the deck and fell overboard. He landed in just the right spot to cushion the Titanic from the ice berg and there was only minimal damage to the ship. But, part of the refrigeration unit for the kitchens was disabled and the passengers had no choice but to eat the delicious ice creams and cakes before they went bad. The movie ends with Jack and Rose happily sitting together overlooking the waters near the Grand Banks, their faces still covered in chocolate sauce and cream cheese icing, as Jack looks adoringly on several polar bears riding the ice floes and comments that he hopes it never gets so warm that the polar bears disappear. Fin. :lol:
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So who was Keyser Soze?
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Sorry for derailment
Quote from: Spade on June 08, 2014, 10:45:05 AM
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^Jorah will not die.
Case in point.....
I'm not even looking at this as I type hoping I saw a NOT or didn't are something to tell me that I didn't read what I just freaking read trying to tell people to STOP SPOILING THE SHOW!
On Dany & Jorah:
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I think Dany acted with understandable emotion regarding Jorah - he was her most trusted, longstanding ally, and he'd betrayed her from the start. The poisoning while she was pregnant was also key; sure, Jorah saved her, but he was also the reason the poisoner was there in the first place. What she did makes sense, but may not have been the most politically savvy move.
I personally think the 3rd and 4th seasons are high marks for the show. The first two seasons, while still very entertaining, had too many instances where you could see the low budget. Crowd scenes with ten people, supposedly major cities that felt like sets, and so on. The recent episode showing Roose Bolton's army in the north was impressive, or the well done scale of Meereen. HBO has clearly relaxed the purse strings, which is fitting considering Game of Thrones has passed the Sopranos as the most-watched cable show.
Quote from: Reepicheep on June 08, 2014, 07:03:59 PM
Quote from: stumpy on June 08, 2014, 05:26:55 PM
On the other hand, either she is less wise than she would seem to be from scenes like that one, or the show is pulling some Three's Company-esque miscommunication games. Spoiler
It's not surprising that Daenerys is upset to find that Jorah was sent to her and has been sending information back to Varys. But, her decision to toss him out is ill-considered. First, while he obviously feels some obligation to Varys, I think it's clear that Jorah is loyal to her. Second, from what we have seen, he has only sent Varys information that pretty much anyone following her movements (even from a distance) would know. Even her pregnancy wasn't really much of a secret. Third, why not use his position as a known mole to send disinformation back to Varys, when it suits her? A well-timed misdirect when she is planning an attack somewhere could be a huge advantage to her.
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If I'm watching it right, I would say that Daenerys is choosing to settle down and rethink invading Westeros. By choosing that moment to banish Sir Friendzone, he can only reveal that she isn't posing a threat to the realm. That may be her own way of feeding (false?) information, while also eliminating Jorah as a spy.
That's kind of what I was thinking too... Lol@Sir Friendzone though. Good one.
Quote from: Talavar on June 09, 2014, 12:33:20 AM
On Dany & Jorah: Spoiler
I think Dany acted with understandable emotion regarding Jorah - he was her most trusted, longstanding ally, and he'd betrayed her from the start. The poisoning while she was pregnant was also key; sure, Jorah saved her, but he was also the reason the poisoner was there in the first place. What she did makes sense, but may not have been the most politically savvy move.
I personally think the 3rd and 4th seasons are high marks for the show. The first two seasons, while still very entertaining, had too many instances where you could see the low budget. Crowd scenes with ten people, supposedly major cities that felt like sets, and so on. The recent episode showing Roose Bolton's army in the north was impressive, or the well done scale of Meereen. HBO has clearly relaxed the purse strings, which is fitting considering Game of Thrones has passed the Sopranos as the most-watched cable show.
I actually remember hearing them say that where it would take them months to film certain scenes in the first two seasons only takes a matter of days by season 4. So not only has the production value increased, they know what they're doing now and it's making the show easier to produce as well, which bodes well for it continuing another 2-3 seasons, where other HBO shows are dropping off like flies!
Great episode!
Good action. Very cinematic. Really loved the scene where it showed the fight across the entire castle. Feel a little cheated out of about 8 minutes of my hour though.
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Sad to see some of the long time characters go. Pyp and Grenn. Guess with this being GoT and this being a major battle it was to be expected. Would have appreciated Gilly putting a knife through Janos' eyeball or something.
But did anyone ACTUALLY see Thorne die?
Any thoughts on next week?
Yup very focused and fun episode
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-Alliser was actually an effective leader eventhough he realised he should've listened to Jon regarding the tunnel. Can't say I've seen him ACTUALLY dying shogunn.
-Ygritte being killed by the boy was something I deffinitely saw coming. Also expected the"You know nothing Jon Snow" moment.
-Sam was so, so, but definitely more likable than usual IMO.
-Pyp and Grenn RIP :(
-That massive arrow shot was epic and so was the Giant rushing the gate.
No idea what to expect next week. Looking forward to returning to King's landing in any case.
Holy moly, that was a crazy hour of my life. Don't even know where to start.
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I'm not convinced Alliser is dead. I don't particularly dislike him, so I didn't find myself cheering when he was killed/injured. Unlike that bald maniac guy. He had to go. No better way than a punctured skull.
There were some amazing visual bits to this. Absolutely stunning to watch. I will definitely second the nod to the giant's arrow.
But very sad about Pyp and Grenn. I'm pleased to see that Sam survived, though - I was so certain he'd die when he promised he wouldn't.
(On the book:)
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I read up to try and see if Alliser was dead. Interestingly in the books, both Pyp and Grenn survive the battle while two other minor characters that haven't appeared in the series met their ends. Goes to show that even those who have read the book may still be surprised by the series.
But yeah, I've been in way more anticipation about Tyrion's fate than I was with the wall. Kinda bittersweet to have it postponed a week. Maybe.
I am getting a good laugh at this thread. I haven't read the books so I don't know what is coming next. I stay away from anything GoT related online because of spoilers. I saw this thread and looked (not read) and its turning into pretty much spoiler tags.
Quote from: captmorgan72 on June 09, 2014, 07:05:01 PM
I am getting a good laugh at this thread. I haven't read the books so I don't know what is coming next. I stay away from anything GoT related online because of spoilers. I saw this thread and looked (not read) and its turning into pretty much spoiler tags.
smh
Sorry to hear that, but in our defense(those who are show watchers only) we've tried to use the spoiler tags for plots and subjects that we don't want to spoil for those who haven't caught up yet. Unfortunately, there have been a few others who have read the books and seemingly don't really care. And from an outsider's view, it's difficult to tell the difference between the two so I understand your trouble unfortunately.
Quote from: captmorgan72 on June 09, 2014, 07:05:01 PM
I am getting a good laugh at this thread. I haven't read the books so I don't know what is coming next. I stay away from anything GoT related online because of spoilers. I saw this thread and looked (not read) and its turning into pretty much spoiler tags.
After Tomato's post, everything has been (and hopefully will remain) only discussion about the show to date, or speculation of oncoming events.
Venture before that post at your own peril.
Quote from: Reepicheep on June 08, 2014, 07:03:59 PM
Quote from: stumpy on June 08, 2014, 05:26:55 PM
On the other hand, either she is less wise than she would seem to be from scenes like that one, or the show is pulling some Three's Company-esque miscommunication games. Spoiler
It's not surprising that Daenerys is upset to find that Jorah was sent to her and has been sending information back to Varys. But, her decision to toss him out is ill-considered. First, while he obviously feels some obligation to Varys, I think it's clear that Jorah is loyal to her. Second, from what we have seen, he has only sent Varys information that pretty much anyone following her movements (even from a distance) would know. Even her pregnancy wasn't really much of a secret. Third, why not use his position as a known mole to send disinformation back to Varys, when it suits her? A well-timed misdirect when she is planning an attack somewhere could be a huge advantage to her.
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If I'm watching it right, I would say that Daenerys is choosing to settle down and rethink invading Westeros. By choosing that moment to banish Sir Friendzone, he can only reveal that she isn't posing a threat to the realm. That may be her own way of feeding (false?) information, while also eliminating Jorah as a spy.
Spade:
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Dammit, Spade!
I never finished watching Titanic!
Then you probably dont know that:
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Snape kills Dumbledore
Now all jokes aside,episode 9 was best this season.
BTW about people who died and didnt died: TOLD YA SO :thumbup:
One of my friends who read the book said they the show is slightly moving away from the book. Some minor characters were suppose to die, but they live and etc. Still, this is a great show.
Love the show, but if episode 10 doesn't spend more time on Tyrion, Arya and a few other characters (I haven't watched the preview for it) than on the situation at the Wall, a LOT of people (me included) are going to be world class ticked off.
And someone please tell me that the Theon situation doesn't last much longer, or he gets killed off soon. I have to resist the urge to change the channel when he's on screen.
I read the fifth book,
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Theon situation lasts.
But seriously wasnt Stannis supposed to come charging in and save the Wall?
I cant see how he will do that considering he was on Eassos last time we saw him?
Quote from: Spade on June 12, 2014, 05:16:37 PMSpoiler
I read the fifth book,Theon situation lasts.
But seriously wasnt Stannis supposed to come charging in and save the Wall?
I cant see how he will do that considering he was on Eassos last time we saw him?
Spoilers, Spade :ph34r:
Its not spoiler,its recaping where a charachter was.
If you got nothing to say,dont quote me and say spoilers.
Spade, he's telling you to put the comment about reading the book and knowing "the _____ situation lasts" in spoiler tags. Which you should know to do by now, as several people have made clear that information from the books IS a spoiler. Between that and the fact that you once again double posted, I've reported the posts so a moderator can fix your posts.
Yep, what Tomato said :P
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darn, ninja-posting vegetable! :ph34r: :P
Wait,when did I doubleposted?
If its happening its not Me,thats some forum error.
Quote from: Spade on June 12, 2014, 05:56:36 PM
Wait,when did I doubleposted?
If its happening its not Me,thats some forum error.
Yeah, same thing happens to me on other forums, too.
Anywho, back on topic! I've detracted this thread far enough! :loupitchfork
I hope they dont move the last episode because of World Cup.
Quote from: Spade on June 12, 2014, 06:04:44 PM
I hope they dont move the last episode because of World Cup.
Me, either. We already had a delay because of Memorial Day, and I'm not a Soccer fan by any means.
Soccer more or less,I just want to finish the season.
I could see the airing be delayed in other countries due to the World Cup, but the sport isn't exactly popular enough in the U.S. to justify it. And they'd probably get more complaints for delaying the airing due to the World Cup than they would from people complaining that they didn't. Besides, for the latter there's always On Demand....
Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if we get it two days later.
It takes an extra day to recover over here.
^Same here
Now, I know HBO and ESPN have a friendly little contract for business and sharing... But Game of Thrones comes on like at 10pm in Brazil... I doubt any game would be on that late anyway.
Have you guys seen this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgqUI6e1T5E
Ok this video I found very funny, but be warned, massive spoilers for the last week's episode
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4oQzTGTc_g
Episode 9 was basicly recreation of Battle for Helms Deep.
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Spoiler for previous episode
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_hXAlF72-4&list=FLzORJV8l3FWY4cFO8ot-F2w
Saw the finale and it was pretty good. Some questions were answer while new one arises. So we have two options: Start reading the books to find out what happens next or wait until next year.......
Just going to see finale :huh:
The books give some away, but the show is moving further from the books all the time.
Bunch of charachters died.
And a bunch of bad CGI.
Just watched the finale and I was a bit confused about something.
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Tyrion shot Tywin in the lower abdomen and the shoulder. Those look like wounds that are not life threatening. Yet, I am reading that Tywin was shot in the heart. I didn't see that. One in the lower abdomen and one in the shoulder.
Quote from: captmorgan72 on June 16, 2014, 10:28:08 PM
Just watched the finale and I was a bit confused about something. Spoiler
Tyrion shot Tywin in the lower abdomen and the shoulder. Those look like wounds that are not life threatening. Yet, I am reading that Tywin was shot in the heart. I didn't see that. One in the lower abdomen and one in the shoulder.
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Well it was a bit hard to tell, but he was clearly killed and it was pretty humiliating. CGI was spotty but I guess good enough for TV show. Brienne VS The Hound was awesome, had no idea which way the fight was gonna go since both are formidable fighters. Didn't care too much for Jojen dying for some reason. Finally something interesting happens with Bran. Tyrion strangling Shae was pretty powerful. Lookking forward to next season! :thumbup:
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I wish I could have been more surprised about Tywin's death. But meh. Fortunately, Shae was a huge surprise!
I thought that first crossbow bolt would have done the trick from what I saw - it looked pretty lethal. But I was pretty pumped, so wasn't noticing a lot.
I suppose we haven't seen The Hound's body yet. Even with the show killing people off so much, I'd wager pretty heavily that he's still going. I'm surprised that the Hound didn't decide to take Aria into the Eyrie anyway - he would have been sure to find a paying friend?
I liked Jojan. He was a dude. Sad to see him go.
Did anyone spot Alliser in the bodies at Castle Black?
I'm not sure if I liked the finale. For one, this episode signalled the heavy fantasy elements creeping into almost every plot thread ... even Kings Landing, with the slightly jarring mad scientist stuff. The show started off with Dany's storyline being the most fantastic and the rest being pseudo-medieval politics, but now magic is everywhere, aside from Theon's storyline.
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Also, I didn't find the deaths in this episode very satisfying.
The Hound getting beaten up by Brienne would have been more believable if they'd emphasised his infected bite wound (I also had this problem when she defeated Jaimie in a duel without emphasising his weakness from imprisonment). As it was, it looked like Brienne just overpowered him ... since we've seen The Hound crushing groups of opponents before, having his head punched off by a tall woman was a bit of an eye-rolling WTF? moment for me.
Tyrion killing Shae was also a weird scene. So, Shae just reverted from her more sympathetic TV version back to her duplicitous prostitute mode from the book? And being strangled by a dwarf means you are paralysed and dead in seconds? Did he snap her neck??? Also, this scene was changed from a straight up murder in the book to practically self defence.
Tyrion killing Tywin (who was probably THE bad guy of the show, alongside Joffrey and Littlefinger) was also a let down, since Tyrion's motivation was no longer avenging his wife's assault (mentioned in Season 1, I think). Who cares if Tywin called Shae a whore? She was sleeping with Tyrion's father and just tried to stab him!
I DID like Jojen's death ... that was unexpected, and Jojen and Meera never really served much of a purpose anyway, aside from explaining things / guiding Bran.
(https://scontent-b-fra.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/t1.0-9/10395161_10152471519577403_5148705920879258378_n.jpg)
Is it just me or was the CGI truly horrible this episode?I was ROFL-ing the whole time after I saw those skeletons.
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so did Varys escape with Tyrion? It looked like he was going home, but when he heard the alarm he went back to the boat to sit with Tyrion. There's going to be a whole new status quo next season.
Also, no one expects the Stannis inquisition!
Quote from: detourne_me on June 17, 2014, 08:11:33 AM
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so did Varys escape with Tyrion? It looked like he was going home, but when he heard the alarm he went back to the boat to sit with Tyrion. There's going to be a whole new status quo next season.
Also, no one expects the Stannis inquisition!
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I think he did get away.
Everyone expected Stannis.it was in the books.
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Quote from: detourne_me on June 17, 2014, 08:11:33 AM
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so did Varys escape with Tyrion? It looked like he was going home, but when he heard the alarm he went back to the boat to sit with Tyrion. There's going to be a whole new status quo next season.
Also, no one expects the Stannis inquisition!
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I think he did get away.
Everyone expected Stannis.it was in the books.
But his chief weapon was surprise!
Quote from: detourne_me on June 17, 2014, 09:53:21 AM
Quote from: Spade on June 17, 2014, 08:33:57 AM
Quote from: detourne_me on June 17, 2014, 08:11:33 AM
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so did Varys escape with Tyrion? It looked like he was going home, but when he heard the alarm he went back to the boat to sit with Tyrion. There's going to be a whole new status quo next season.
Also, no one expects the Stannis inquisition!
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I think he did get away.
Everyone expected Stannis.it was in the books.
But his chief weapon was surprise!
Surprise, Fear and a fanatical dedication to the crazy witch lady.
Quote from: Starman on June 17, 2014, 12:53:22 AM
I'm not sure if I liked the finale. For one, this episode signalled the heavy fantasy elements creeping into almost every plot thread ... even Kings Landing, with the slightly jarring mad scientist stuff. The show started off with Dany's storyline being the most fantastic and the rest being pseudo-medieval politics, but now magic is everywhere, aside from Theon's storyline. Spoiler
Also, I didn't find the deaths in this episode very satisfying.
The Hound getting beaten up by Brienne would have been more believable if they'd emphasised his infected bite wound (I also had this problem when she defeated Jaimie in a duel without emphasising his weakness from imprisonment). As it was, it looked like Brienne just overpowered him ... since we've seen The Hound crushing groups of opponents before, having his head punched off by a tall woman was a bit of an eye-rolling WTF? moment for me.
Tyrion killing Shae was also a weird scene. So, Shae just reverted from her more sympathetic TV version back to her duplicitous prostitute mode from the book? And being strangled by a dwarf means you are paralysed and dead in seconds? Did he snap her neck??? Also, this scene was changed from a straight up murder in the book to practically self defence.
Tyrion killing Tywin (who was probably THE bad guy of the show, alongside Joffrey and Littlefinger) was also a let down, since Tyrion's motivation was no longer avenging his wife's assault (mentioned in Season 1, I think). Who cares if Tywin called Shae a whore? She was sleeping with Tyrion's father and just tried to stab him!
I DID like Jojen's death ... that was unexpected, and Jojen and Meera never really served much of a purpose anyway, aside from explaining things / guiding Bran.
Actually I kind of disagree.
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I didn't think there was anything weird at all about Tyrion killing Shae. I don't know of the the characterization you're talking about, only someone who gained Tyrion's trust and then betrayed him when he was most vulnerable. That made for a pretty passionate scene with him killing her. Which is what happened. However it might have been conveyed in the books, this was not it but was credible enough for me. Just as with Tywin's death(who was oddly one of my favorite characters since Khal Drogo). Tyrion's motivate was his dad turning his back on him, stealing and corrupting the one thing that made him happy and sentencing him to death... Would be enough for me. Again, if the books said his his motivation was his wife, then I can't relate because the show is different. Alas with Brienne, I find her beating the Hound also credible. Again, because this is the tv show and not the books, her characterization might be not what you're saying it is, but the idea of a female never given any sort of recognition from her male counterparts, but so far we've seen her not just beat every male we've seen her up against, but three of the best we've seen in the show(Loras, Jamie and Hound). Maybe they didn't pay up the Hound's bite. Okay, that's fine. In my eyes, it goes with the idea of in the show that Brienne being THAT good.
So if this is different than the books, I can't be mad at that because this is the television series and that's all that I am familiar with.
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Quote from: detourne_me on June 17, 2014, 08:11:33 AM
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so did Varys escape with Tyrion? It looked like he was going home, but when he heard the alarm he went back to the boat to sit with Tyrion. There's going to be a whole new status quo next season.
Also, no one expects the Stannis inquisition!
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I think he did get away.
Everyone expected Stannis.it was in the books.
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Everyone, but everyone who doesn't read the books.
I'm in complete agreement with Shogunn.
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Brienne is a superb swordsmen but her beating Sandor had a lot to do with his bite infection slowing him down and weakening him. Arya noticed in an earlier episode that the infection was taking it's toll on him. I'm still confused about Tywin dieing from those bolts. I saw one to the lower abdomen and one to the shoulder. I wouldn't think those wounds would be fatal. I'm really looking forward to what becomes of Gregor. Will he become even more of a monster than he already is?
Quote from: captmorgan72 on June 18, 2014, 12:25:42 AM
I'm in complete agreement with Shogunn.Spoiler
Brienne is a superb swordsmen but her beating Sandor had a lot to do with his bite infection slowing him down and weakening him. Arya noticed in an earlier episode that the infection was taking it's toll on him. I'm still confused about Tywin dieing from those bolts. I saw one to the lower abdomen and one to the shoulder. I wouldn't think those wounds would be fatal. I'm really looking forward to what becomes of Gregor. Will he become even more of a monster than he already is?
Re: injuries...
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I would say a gut wound in a society without antibiotics or modern surgical techniques would almost certainly be fatal, though how quickly it would kill is variable. We're talking crossbow bolts from a few feet away - they'd have driven so deep Tywin would probably have holes right through him.
Quote from: Talavar on June 18, 2014, 02:44:08 AM
Quote from: captmorgan72 on June 18, 2014, 12:25:42 AM
I'm in complete agreement with Shogunn.Spoiler
Brienne is a superb swordsmen but her beating Sandor had a lot to do with his bite infection slowing him down and weakening him. Arya noticed in an earlier episode that the infection was taking it's toll on him. I'm still confused about Tywin dieing from those bolts. I saw one to the lower abdomen and one to the shoulder. I wouldn't think those wounds would be fatal. I'm really looking forward to what becomes of Gregor. Will he become even more of a monster than he already is?
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I would say a gut wound in a society without antibiotics or modern surgical techniques would almost certainly be fatal, though how quickly it would kill is variable. We're talking crossbow bolts from a few feet away - they'd have driven so deep Tywin would probably have holes right through him.
Basicly Worf had the Flu http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WorfHadTheFlu (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WorfHadTheFlu)
Stannis is so manly he has his own theme song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaJVoZ03sik (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaJVoZ03sik)
Another agreement with Shogunn here.
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I think its reached the point that it isn't worth comparing the books and the series, especially when it comes to character development. Or even character deaths.
Brienne is a tank. I'm not sure I quite get this discussion - whether or not Sandor is feeling a bit weak around the ears, she's indisputably a worthy match.
And yes, I'm certain Tyrion had enough motivation to murder Shae - finding her in his father's bed like that was the nail in the coffin there. (Does that mean that Tywin planted her as a witness at the trial, rather than Cersei?)
Edit: Just reread and realised we were talking about the motivation to kill Tywin, not Shae. I realise the book version reflected on a new revelation around Tyrion's wife, but I believe Tyrion had plenty of reason for killing Tywin regardless. Not only from the immediate events, but throughout Tyrion's entire tortured life. I also believe Tyrion wants to see the Lannisters off the throne, since he is intimate with the various corruptions that his own family is involved in, as well as their illegitimate claim to the throne. Killing Tywin is bound to ensure that they'll lose their power.
I'd also like to second Shogunn's notion that Tywin was a favourite. I definitely appreciated him as a "greater good" type villain. But he was nowhere near the evil of Joffrey or Cersei. He was also the only thing holding King's Landing from complete chaos. It seems Varys would agree with me there.
Heres my question re: Tywin - do you think he was honest when he said he wouldn't let them execute Tyrion? Or was he just desperate in that moment?
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Tywin was totally lying through his teeth, a last ditch attempt to get his way. It was really reminiscent of the Hound pleading with Arya for death, but also the complete opposite in a way. I think the central theme of the episode had to do with choosing your family, as Cersei pointed out when getting back together with Jaime. She chose Jamie not Tywin, Jamie chose Tyrion, not his father, Tyrion chose himself as well. Arya chose to not become the Hound, and set out for herself, and then you have Bran and Daneryus having to face hard choices.
As for Brienne of Tarth, She is pretty hardcore. Didn't she beat Loras in the little tournament at Renley's camp? Loras was in the top five swordsmen in Westeros. And now, not only does she have Valeryian steel, but a new custom suit of armor, too.
Also, cause I just can't let the joke die.... I didn't expect the Stannis Inquisition!
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Ultimately, I think Tywin's end game was to minimize Tyrion's role in his family. Jamie's deal to have Tyrion go to the Night's Watch was what he wanted to be OUT the way and NOT his heir and then Jamie sweetened the pot with his deal. Did he want Tyrion to die? Probably not, but he wasn't going to get bent out of shape about it. But yeah, I don't know if it was Charles Dance's portrayal or him being a perfect foil to Joffrey or just his command, but Tywin was AWESOME. But you got to be a hardcase when you're able to check the two POS's in the show(Cersi and Joffrey).
My fave Tywin scene (also some cool Tyrion stuff in there)
Obviously some spoilers are involved for those who aren't caught up withs season 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gxAtIjHwbc :D
So apparently...
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book/show spoilers coming...
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word on the street is that we're never getting resurrected zombie Catlyn Stark. Like never getting Coldhands, I hate when the show basically confirms a character isn't important because they're cutting them entirely.
Quote from: Talavar on June 25, 2014, 10:00:36 PM
So apparently...Spoiler
book/show spoilers coming...
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word on the street is that we're never getting resurrected zombie Catlyn Stark. Like never getting Coldhands, I hate when the show basically confirms a character isn't important because they're cutting them entirely.
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I'm amazed you're surprised by this, given the series so far. But lets talk about importance - you got me thinking.
A character doesn't have to be alive, or even present to be important. Death doesn't make Catlyn an unimportant character in the least bit - quite the opposite in fact. The show has a way of building important, relatable characters for us and then taking them away. It aims to give the audience a sense of loss that hardly any other show achieves, and bloody well succeeds! I was certain that Robb Stark would be on the throne by now.
Then there are the butterfly effects. The actions they set in their lives, the consequences of those actions, as well their martyrdom still play a prominent role.
Quote from: Reepicheep on June 25, 2014, 10:34:15 PM
Quote from: Talavar on June 25, 2014, 10:00:36 PM
So apparently...Spoiler
book/show spoilers coming...
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word on the street is that we're never getting resurrected zombie Catlyn Stark. Like never getting Coldhands, I hate when the show basically confirms a character isn't important because they're cutting them entirely.
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I'm amazed you're surprised by this, given the series so far. But lets talk about importance - you got me thinking.
A character doesn't have to be alive, or even present to be important. Death doesn't make Catlyn an unimportant character in the least bit - quite the opposite in fact. The show has a way of building important, relatable characters for us and then taking them away. It aims to give the audience a sense of loss that hardly any other show achieves, and bloody well succeeds! I was certain that Robb Stark would be on the throne by now.
Then there are the butterfly effects. The actions they set in their lives, the consequences of those actions, as well their martyrdom still play a prominent role.
I don't mean...
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more potential book spoilers coming...
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that Catelyn's entire character was unimportant, just her resurrection as Lady Stoneheart, and everything done with the character from that point in the books. A lot about Lady Stoneheart (as zombie Catelyn gets known by) hasn't been explained or resolved in the books yet - how Brienne escaped getting hanged by her, her bloody vengeance on the Freys, Brienne potentially taking Jaime to her for some reason, etc., and now the show, by cutting her role entirely, has basically said none of that stuff matters.
It's also concerning, because, without Lady Stoneheart, Brienne's storyline is effectively caught up with the books. What's she going to do next season? It's either going to be based on notes from George RR Martin, spoiling more of as yet unpublished books, or made up by the showrunners entirely to kill time until another book is out.
Coldhands is similar. In the books, the mystery of what happened to Benjen Stark is an ongoing concern, as is the mystery of who the heck is Coldhands, and is he somehow Benjen. The show, in entirely cutting that storyline, has effectively given it the stamp of 'not actually important' as well.
When the show leaves out minor characters or tweaks plot events you can put it down to the nature of adapting the source material, but when major characters and developments are cut, particularly those that haven't been book-resolved yet, it's demonstrating that those developments are irrelevant, and that's frustrating, particularly for readers who've been awaiting a conclusion to this story for nearly 20 years now.
Quote from: Talavar on June 25, 2014, 11:03:47 PM
Quote from: Reepicheep on June 25, 2014, 10:34:15 PM
Quote from: Talavar on June 25, 2014, 10:00:36 PM
So apparently...Spoiler
book/show spoilers coming...
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word on the street is that we're never getting resurrected zombie Catlyn Stark. Like never getting Coldhands, I hate when the show basically confirms a character isn't important because they're cutting them entirely.
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I'm amazed you're surprised by this, given the series so far. But lets talk about importance - you got me thinking.
A character doesn't have to be alive, or even present to be important. Death doesn't make Catlyn an unimportant character in the least bit - quite the opposite in fact. The show has a way of building important, relatable characters for us and then taking them away. It aims to give the audience a sense of loss that hardly any other show achieves, and bloody well succeeds! I was certain that Robb Stark would be on the throne by now.
Then there are the butterfly effects. The actions they set in their lives, the consequences of those actions, as well their martyrdom still play a prominent role.
I don't mean...Spoiler
more potential book spoilers coming...
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that Catelyn's entire character was unimportant, just her resurrection as Lady Stoneheart, and everything done with the character from that point in the books. A lot about Lady Stoneheart (as zombie Catelyn gets known by) hasn't been explained or resolved in the books yet - how Brienne escaped getting hanged by her, her bloody vengeance on the Freys, Brienne potentially taking Jaime to her for some reason, etc., and now the show, by cutting her role entirely, has basically said none of that stuff matters.
It's also concerning, because, without Lady Stoneheart, Brienne's storyline is effectively caught up with the books. What's she going to do next season? It's either going to be based on notes from George RR Martin, spoiling more of as yet unpublished books, or made up by the showrunners entirely to kill time until another book is out.
Coldhands is similar. In the books, the mystery of what happened to Benjen Stark is an ongoing concern, as is the mystery of who the heck is Coldhands, and is he somehow Benjen. The show, in entirely cutting that storyline, has effectively given it the stamp of 'not actually important' as well.
When the show leaves out minor characters or tweaks plot events you can put it down to the nature of adapting the source material, but when major characters and developments are cut, particularly those that haven't been book-resolved yet, it's demonstrating that those developments are irrelevant, and that's frustrating, particularly for readers who've been awaiting a conclusion to this story for nearly 20 years now.
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Book Spoiler, I guess.
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Ah, right! I see what you're saying now. I didn't realise Zombie Catlyn was actually a thing from your first post! You'll have to forgive that I have not read all of your second post, since I want to stay in the dark.
I'd say wait and see - rumours could be leaked to suspend some surprise.
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When Prince Obryn was killed, my dream of seeing a fellow Mexican ride a dragon was shattered. :(
This season's finale was very positive in comparison to the previous finales, however. *suspicious*
Just saw something with a read through Wikipedia. Had a FB friend of mine post an article about the lack of diversity in GOT, which I thought was ridiculous becau more than half the world is not white. But to prove that point, I went to check the spelling of some names and saw some familiar faces cast for season 5:
Kiesha Castle-Hughes from Whale Rider and Revenge of the Sith will be playing Obara Sand. By her last name you can tell she's a ambiguously foreborn, her father being Prince Oberyn Martell.
Alexander Siddig from Star Trek DS9 and 24(Day 6) will be playing Lord Doran Martell, the older brother of Oberyn Martell.
Another name that I saw that caught my eye was Jonathan Pryce, who's had a number of roles from GI Joe to Command and Conquer and Brothers Grimm.
Quote from: Shogunn2517 on August 09, 2014, 01:41:09 AM
Just saw something with a read through Wikipedia. Had a FB friend of mine post an article about the lack of diversity in GOT, which I thought was ridiculous becau more than half the world is not white. But to prove that point, I went to check the spelling of some names and saw some familiar faces cast for season 5:
Kiesha Castle-Hughes from Whale Rider and Revenge of the Sith will be playing Obara Sand. By her last name you can tell she's a ambiguously foreborn, her father being Prince Oberyn Martell.
Alexander Siddig from Star Trek DS9 and 24(Day 6) will be playing Lord Doran Martell, the older brother of Oberyn Martell.
Another name that I saw that caught my eye was Jonathan Pryce, who's had a number of roles from GI Joe to Command and Conquer and Brothers Grimm.
Don't watch the show, but those castings are nice. I always liked Siddig, and it's great to see see get more work after DS9.
Jonathan Pryce I like, he was a good President in GI Joe and he was a decent Bond villain in Tommorrow Never Dies.
Anyone watching season 5? ;)
Julian Bashir is the ruler of Dorne,thats awessome. :thumbup:
It's interesting... These producers promised more of the individual storylines would be converging this season, or we'll be seeing more cross over. They seem to be setting it up over the last few episodes(end of S4 and start of S5). One of the biggest draws of this show is to see how it all turns out. Does Daenarys return to Westeros? Will Stannis make his move(again)? What will Dorne's reaction be to the death of Oberyn AND Tywin? Will a Stark sibling meet ANY other surviving Stark sibling ever again? So many questions that have lingered for seasons. Show would be enough to continue to watch even if the acting, directing and writing wasn't absolutely spectacular already.
The show changed so much,that it has very little in common with the books at this point.So I really no idea where this is going.Im really sad they cut out Griffs.I hope that at least that plot is moved to season 6,since they are probably my favourite characters. :(
First half of this season was pretty slow, but man oh man did it pick up in the second half.
Last night episode was good, but nothing beats last week's with Jon Snow and the White Walkers
The highlights for me this season:
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- Tyrion meeting Daenerys
- Cersei in prison. Finally she gets to suffer.
- Just when you thought you couldn't hate someone as much as Joffrey, comes Ramsay Snow
- The White Walker battle! Unbeleivable, also reminds us how dangerous they really are.
- The scene where Stannis's daughter gets burned was shocking and horrible. From the moment she realizes what's going on to her screaming. Just when you thought he's not as psycho as he seemed.
- The finale of the last episode was pretty spectacular. Daenerys riding Drogon was really epic.
Probably forgot something. Can't wait for season finale.
I should probably say that in the books Stanis would never do that,but I dont think anyone cares about the books at this point.
Well the whole thing
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was actually George RR. Martin's idea, so he might do it in the books as well.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/06/08/game-of-thrones-showrunners-talk-last-nights-death-scene
Doubt that...Its a bit different situation in the books.Stanis isnt that desperate.
Julian Bashir is a total hardcase here. XD
Quote from: bat1987 on June 08, 2015, 02:49:14 PM
The highlights for me this season:
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- Tyrion meeting Daenerys
- Cersei in prison. Finally she gets to suffer.
- Just when you thought you couldn't hate someone as much as Joffrey, comes Ramsay Snow
- The White Walker battle! Unbeleivable, also reminds us how dangerous they really are.
- The scene where Stannis's daughter gets burned was shocking and horrible. From the moment she realizes what's going on to her screaming. Just when you thought he's not as psycho as he seemed.
- The finale of the last episode was pretty spectacular. Daenerys riding Drogon was really epic.
Probably forgot something. Can't wait for season finale.
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FYI I could watch an entire hour-long episode on Tyrion/Danerys meeting! I'm almost sure both actors could carry it. The dialogue and what they'd discuss would be EPIC!
And as far as the finale of this episode goes, I've been reading about the history of Westeros prior to this season and know about how the past kings rode dragons! I knew it was coming, but it was like watching Superman get his powers back in Superman II, just anticipation of it happening was too hyped!
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Season finale was so dumb and padded out.The show runners really outdid themselves.
That's kind of hash Spade. I never read the books, so I can't compare, but the season finale was really depressing. Not one good thing happen to anybody.....well maybe Sam.
Maybe its harsh,but thats pretty much how I see it.Others have their own views and I respect them.
This season went overboard so much that it just induced apathy.Everyone dies,villains win,your favourite characters arent even in the show...you just dont care any more.
Quote from: Spade on June 15, 2015, 05:53:09 PM
Maybe its harsh,but thats pretty much how I see it.Others have their own views and I respect them.
This season went overboard so much that it just induced apathy.Everyone dies,villains win,your favourite characters arent even in the show...you just dont care any more.
I know what you mean, after the show I told my wife:"I rooting for the White Walkers! I hope they come in and just take over!"
A lott of people on Twitter said the same thing.So your not the only one.
#TeamWhiteWalker
Lol, Spade you sound pretty depressed about this.
Well, one thing I'll say, I accidentally read about this happening prior to the start of the season. However, not sure if anyone caught GRRM's interview with Entertainment Weekly back in 2011 when A Dance of Dragons was released.
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The first question they asked him "So why did you kill off Jon Snow?" His response: "Oh, you think he's dead do you?"
The story isn't finished, but this episode, as depressing as it might seem wasn't such a dramatic departure from the kind of stuff we've seen already even just from this season. For crying outloud the entire series started out with someone pushing a kid out a window trying to kill him. Let's see we've seen defile, child defile, brotherly defile, brotherly killings, children killing their parents, men, women and several children being burned to death, men and women being tortured. I could go on. The good guys have been catching the short end of the stick from day one. But the show must go on.
Well,at least the Dorne storyline wasnt a lost of time like we thought.It resulted in another childs death just for shock. XD
Yeah,honoring Oberyn by doing EXACTLY the opposite of what he said,makes complete sense,right?Right?
It's that time of year again.
We should create a "Dead Pool". Because I don't think I would have expected this particular death.
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I knew there was bad blood between Ellaria and Doran, but I didn't think the entire country would turn against him.
Still waiting for Jon Snow's return. Or not. I'm just still trying to wrap my head around the theory that
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He's Aegon VI, the child of Rhaegar and and Ellia.
Which would make sense in a lot of ways and would be pretty awesome. Daenerys has more lives than a cat. I can easily see Drogon coming back again. I'm curious what direction Sansa/Theon/Breanne will take. And I really didn't need to see Melisandre's "reveal".
Speaking of reveals, I don't remember Cersi's witch from last season told her ALL her children would die... guess this is a guarantee we'll get a new King(or Queen) in the next few seasons.
As far as the "Dead Pool" goes... Bold Prediction: Dario Naharis. I don't like his chances. In fact, I hate his chances.
Melisandre:
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"Reveal" is right. Holy moly. I'm still counting on her to bring back Jon Snow. Otherwise it'd be Bran in some way or another.
Well, that was underwhelming!
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I may have been fortunate to avoid any spoilers beforehand (apart from hearing about Kit Harrington being on set, but he could have been a corpse) so I had my breath held all the way through that last scene. I suppose, in hindsight, it was predictable. But I liked it and it was super tense for me!
Ramsay Bolton, though.
Hadn't been much updates here, but some things hitting the internet that's worth remaking...
1. Since the last episode, there's some interesting theories that had some dots connected.
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Hodor's "Hold the door" scene. Back in the last episode, we saw Bran in his historic trance yell out for his dad and Ned turned around as if he heard him. Now that we see that Hodor heard "hold the door" through the trance, it appears that Bran can affect history and by virtue, the present when he goes back in time. This must have been what the Three Eyed Raven meant about staying under water too long.
That said, an interesting theory is that if Bran can affect the past than so could have the Three Eyed Raven and he did. Word is he went back to warn the Mad King about the White Walkers and how to fight them. The Mad King however took it as voices in his head telling him to "burn them all" thinking it was about his enemies and like Hodor, kept repeating it.
2. It's being reported that SKY Germany has received the episode titles for the last 3 episodes of the season and they tell a lot about what we can expect to see.
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Episode 8's title is "No One", which refers to Arya's storyline. But episode 9 is called "Battle of the Bastards", which you can imagine given Sansa's posturing we can expect to see the "battle in the snow" Melisandre predicted with Jon and Ramseys Snow. Episode 9 is titled "Winds of Winter", which is the title of the next books and sets up season 7 and White Walkers advancing south.
3. Speaking of Episode 9, the internet also has been talking about the fate of one of the above characters.
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A few episodes back, after Ramsey killed his father, we saw Smalljon Umber come to Winterfell with Rikon and Osha. A few things to note about that, the Umbers are loyal bannermen to the Starks. The reason why Smalljon has Rikon in the first place was that's where Bran sent him and Osha when they went north of the Wall. He knew they could be trusted. And we've seen this because it was Smalljon's father Greatjon that suggested Rob be king in the first place. Would the Umbers betray the Starks so easily? Or are they just setting Ramsey up for his eventual downfall... it would certainly be a heavy hit in the "Battle of Bastards" to have Ramsey's army turn against him. Smalljon wouldn't bend the knee and of course "the north remembers".
A lot to chew on.
Quote from: Shogunn2517 on May 29, 2016, 07:08:31 AM
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That said, an interesting theory is that if Bran can affect the past than so could have the Three Eyed Raven and he did. Word is he went back to warn the Mad King about the White Walkers and how to fight them. The Mad King however took it as voices in his head telling him to "burn them all" thinking it was about his enemies and like Hodor, kept repeating it.
Bran:
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That was my instinct too, mostly because they actually went out of their way to film Aerys shouting "Burn Them All" in Bran's trance. I feel like it's meant to be a significant connection, so it stands to reason.
These little things, always putting a new spin on the whole series.
Man, I never knew we had a GoT thread here. With that said...hold the door. :(
Quote from: Shogunn2517 on May 29, 2016, 07:08:31 AM
Hadn't been much updates here, but some things hitting the internet that's worth remaking...
3. Speaking of Episode 9, the internet also has been talking about the fate of one of the above characters.
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A few episodes back, after Ramsey killed his father, we saw Smalljon Umber come to Winterfell with Rikon and Osha. A few things to note about that, the Umbers are loyal bannermen to the Starks. The reason why Smalljon has Rikon in the first place was that's where Bran sent him and Osha when they went north of the Wall. He knew they could be trusted. And we've seen this because it was Smalljon's father Greatjon that suggested Rob be king in the first place. Would the Umbers betray the Starks so easily? Or are they just setting Ramsey up for his eventual downfall... it would certainly be a heavy hit in the "Battle of Bastards" to have Ramsey's army turn against him. Smalljon wouldn't bend the knee and of course "the north remembers".
A lot to chew on.
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I think this too. But then I remember Shaggydog's decaptitated head. As well as Smalljon mentioning the Wildlings swarming his lands. I could still see an Umber double-cross anyways if those things are explained, however. I could also see Littlefinger showing up with the Knights of the Vale regardless of being shunned away by Sansa. But mostly I see Ramsey being victorious against Jon and Sansa because, well, Game of Thrones. The theories make my head spin.
Other than the underwhelming-ness of the first episode, this season has been brilliant so far. I'm super glad the Riverlands are gonna start seeing some air. Now we just need Victarion Greyjoy to show up.
Well that was the most satisfying episode ever. This whole season has been waiting for that.
Arya:
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I had a thought last night. The whole Bravos thing with Arya hasn't been ringing true with a lot of people. The biggest problem is, why bother with Bravos at all if we're going to end it with nothing really changing.
There are a few other nagging components. Arya was definitely wounded - it wasn't a blood pouch or a similar trick, since the actress was cleaning and tending to her wound. Also, she'd have to rely on getting stabbed by the waif exactly there - and on getting stabbed at all. And yet she was fine when she confronted the Faceless Man.
Then there was that cryptic departure and the conversation between her and the Faceless Man. It was vague and didn't make a whole lot of sense.
Unless it wasn't Arya that the Faceless Man was speaking to. He might have been speaking to The Waif, wearing Arya's face.
I think Arya is dead.
Quote from: Reepicheep on June 20, 2016, 06:57:25 PM
Arya:
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I think Arya is dead.
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But who will serve Walder Frey a delicious pie! :lol:
Quote from: murs47 on June 28, 2016, 04:10:25 PM
Quote from: Reepicheep on June 20, 2016, 06:57:25 PM
Arya:
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I think Arya is dead.
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But who will serve Walder Frey a delicious pie! :lol:
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I stand wildly, and thankfully, corrected.[/url]