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Title: Disney buying ‘Star Wars’ maker Lucasfilm for $4.05 billion from George Lucas
Post by: Shogunn2517 on October 30, 2012, 08:59:50 PM
QuoteAP - Disney is paying $4.05 billion to buy Lucasfilm Ltd., the production company behind "Star Wars," from its chairman and founder, George Lucas. It's also making a seventh movie in the "Star Wars" series.

By Associated Press,

Updated: Tuesday, October 30, 4:37 PM



LOS ANGELES — Disney is paying $4.05 billion to buy Lucasfilm Ltd., the production company behind "Star Wars," from its chairman and founder, George Lucas. It's also making a seventh movie in the "Star Wars" series called "Episode 7," set for release in 2015, with plans to follow it with Episodes 8 and 9 and then one new movie every two or three years.

The Walt Disney Co. announced the blockbuster agreement to make the purchase in cash and stock Tuesday. The deal includes Lucasfilm's prized high-tech production companies, Industrial Light & Magic and Skywalker Sound, as well as rights to the "Indiana Jones" franchise.

Disney CEO Bob Iger said in a statement that the acquisition is a great fit and will help preserve and grow the "Star Wars" franchise.

"The last 'Star Wars' movie release was 2005's 'Revenge of the Sith' — and we believe there's substantial pent-up demand," Iger said.

Kathleen Kennedy, the current co-chairman of Lucasfilm, will become the division's president and report to Walt Disney Studios Chairman Alan Horn. Lucas will be creative consultant on new "Star Wars" films.

Lucas said in a statement, "It's now time for me to pass 'Star Wars' on to a new generation of filmmakers."

The deal brings Lucasfilm under the Disney banner with other brands including Pixar, Marvel, ESPN and ABC, all companies that Disney has acquired over the years. A former weatherman who rose through the ranks of ABC, Iger has orchestrated some of the company's biggest acquisitions, including the $7.4 billion purchase of animated movie studio Pixar in 2006 and the $4.2 billion acquisition of comic book giant Marvel in 2009.

Disney shares were not trading with stock markets closed due to the impact of Superstorm Sandy in New York.

This is not a drill...
Title: Re: Disney buying ‘Star Wars’ maker Lucasfilm for $4.05 billion from George Lucas
Post by: Shogunn2517 on October 30, 2012, 09:03:04 PM
Updated from Wikipedia...

QuoteRevival

On October 30th, 2012 Disney and Lucasfilm announced that Disney bought Lucasfilm for $4.05 billion with the annoucement of a an Untitled Star Wars Project aiming for a 2015 release date. [34]

The original press release follows:

Continuing its strategy of delivering exceptional creative content to audiences around the world, The Walt Disney Company (NYSE: DIS) has agreed to acquire Lucasfilm Ltd. in a stock and cash transaction. Lucasfilm is 100% owned by Lucasfilm Chairman and Founder, George Lucas.

Under the terms of the agreement and based on the closing price of Disney stock on October 26, 2012, the transaction value is $4.05 billion, with Disney paying approximately half of the consideration in cash and issuing approximately 40 million shares at closing. The final consideration will be subject to customary post-closing balance sheet adjustments.

"Lucasfilm reflects the extraordinary passion, vision, and storytelling of its founder, George Lucas," said Robert A. Iger, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of The Walt Disney Company. "This transaction combines a world-class portfolio of content including Star Wars, one of the greatest family entertainment franchises of all time, with Disney's unique and unparalleled creativity across multiple platforms, businesses, and markets to generate sustained growth and drive significant long-term value."

"For the past 35 years, one of my greatest pleasures has been to see Star Wars passed from one generation to the next," said George Lucas, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of Lucasfilm. "It's now time for me to pass Star Wars on to a new generation of filmmakers. I've always believed that Star Wars could live beyond me, and I thought it was important to set up the transition during my lifetime. I'm confident that with Lucasfilm under the leadership of Kathleen Kennedy, and having a new home within the Disney organization, Star Wars will certainly live on and flourish for many generations to come. Disney's reach and experience give Lucasfilm the opportunity to blaze new trails in film, television, interactive media, theme parks, live entertainment, and consumer products."

Under the deal, Disney will acquire ownership of Lucasfilm, a leader in entertainment, innovation and technology, including its massively popular and "evergreen" Star Wars franchise and its operating businesses in live action film production, consumer products, animation, visual effects, and audio post production. Disney will also acquire the substantial portfolio of cutting-edge entertainment technologies that have kept audiences enthralled for many years. Lucasfilm, headquartered in San Francisco, operates under the names Lucasfilm Ltd., LucasArts, Industrial Light & Magic, and Skywalker Sound, and the present intent is for Lucasfilm employees to remain in their current locations.

Kathleen Kennedy, current Co-Chairman of Lucasfilm, will become President of Lucasfilm, reporting to Walt Disney Studios Chairman Alan Horn. Additionally she will serve as the brand manager for Star Wars, working directly with Disney's global lines of business to build, further integrate, and maximize the value of this global franchise. Ms. Kennedy will serve as executive producer on new Star Wars feature films, with George Lucas serving as creative consultant. Star Wars Episode 7 is targeted for release in 2015, with more feature films expected to continue the Star Wars saga and grow the franchise well into the future.

The acquisition combines two highly compatible family entertainment brands, and strengthens the long-standing beneficial relationship between them that already includes successful integration of Star Wars content into Disney theme parks in Anaheim, Orlando, Paris and Tokyo.

Driven by a tremendously talented creative team, Lucasfilm's legendary Star Wars franchise has flourished for more than 35 years, and offers a virtually limitless universe of characters and stories to drive continued feature film releases and franchise growth over the long term. Star Wars resonates with consumers around the world and creates extensive opportunities for Disney to deliver the content across its diverse portfolio of businesses including movies, television, consumer products, games and theme parks. Star Wars feature films have earned a total of $4.4 billion in global box to date, and continued global demand has made Star Wars one of the world's top product brands, and Lucasfilm a leading product licensor in the United States in 2011. The franchise provides a sustainable source of high quality, branded content with global appeal and is well suited for new business models including digital platforms, putting the acquisition in strong alignment with Disney's strategic priorities for continued long-term growth.

The Lucasfilm acquisition follows Disney's very successful acquisitions of Pixar and Marvel, which demonstrated the company's unique ability to fully develop and expand the financial potential of high quality creative content with compelling characters and storytelling through the application of innovative technology and multiplatform distribution on a truly global basis to create maximum value. Adding Lucasfilm to Disney's portfolio of world class brands significantly enhances the company's ability to serve consumers with a broad variety of the world's highest-quality content and to create additional long-term value for our shareholders.

The Boards of Directors of Disney and Lucasfilm have approved the transaction, which is subject to clearance under the Hart-Scott-Rodino Antitrust Improvements Act, certain non-United States merger control regulations, and other customary closing conditions. The agreement has been approved by the sole shareholder of Lucasfilm.
Title: Re: Disney buying ‘Star Wars’ maker Lucasfilm for $4.05 billion from George Lucas
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on October 30, 2012, 09:18:46 PM
I had to do some checking just to make sure it is not a prank.  It appears to be legit.  Not just the acquisition, but the announcements of a new Star Wars trilogy starting in 2015, with more films after that trilogy to follow.

I am not particularly hopeful, but if they get a good producer/director in charge who's a real fanboy and not interested in what the suits think, it might turn out well.
Title: Re: Disney buying ‘Star Wars’ maker Lucasfilm for $4.05 billion from George Lucas
Post by: Shogunn2517 on October 30, 2012, 09:27:53 PM
Nope, no joke.  Not even about Episode VII, which was the part I didn't take to be serious, but apparently they are.

To be honest, Lucas as drugged his feet on a lot of what he wanted to do.  Not only that, but he's been pretty obsessive about doing HIS vision and his alone, which has not always made the best product.  Now Disney has the ability to get quality filmmakers, with passion and vision beyond just the vision of one.

Not only that, but be a bit more prolific with a profitable license.
Title: Re: Disney buying ‘Star Wars’ maker Lucasfilm for $4.05 billion from George Lucas
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on October 30, 2012, 10:51:59 PM
How many years has he been talking about a tv series?  If Disney wants a series now, it will happen, BOOM!  No more lolligaging.  One the one hand, at least more stuff will be happening with Star Wars.  On the other hand, Disney likes to milk things for all their worth, then get another pail and milk some more.

EDIT:  Lucas talks about his decision to sell his company and the Star Wars property.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=YyqlTi7lkhY
Title: Re: Disney buying ‘Star Wars’ maker Lucasfilm for $4.05 billion from George Lucas
Post by: Podmark on October 31, 2012, 12:24:05 AM
Wow I'm totally shocked at this. Very interested to see what happens next. I wonder what might happen to Clone Wars, Lucas Books, and the Darkhorse comics?
Title: Re: Disney buying ‘Star Wars’ maker Lucasfilm for $4.05 billion from George Lucas
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on October 31, 2012, 12:32:32 AM
Quote from: Podmark on October 31, 2012, 12:24:05 AM
Wow I'm totally shocked at this. Very interested to see what happens next. I wonder what might happen to Clone Wars, Lucas Books, and the Darkhorse comics?

In all of those cases, any contracts have to be honored.  Besides that, I'd imagine the books would be okay, the comics would be transfered to Marvel, and the cartoon would either stay where it is, or be transfered to Disney's cartoon channel or possibly the actual Disney channel.

Clone Wars in particular is already produced by LucasFilms, so only the distribution would change, if even that.
Title: Re: Disney buying ‘Star Wars’ maker Lucasfilm for $4.05 billion from George Lucas
Post by: thalaw2 on October 31, 2012, 12:35:48 AM
Amazing!  I would have taken the money too.  In fact, I wouldn't have stayed on as a creative consultant...I think that's a made up role for us fanboys. 
Title: Re: Disney buying ‘Star Wars’ maker Lucasfilm for $4.05 billion from George Lucas
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on October 31, 2012, 12:48:57 AM
No, he stated in the video that he had story outlines for the next three movies and a bunch of other stuff in the Star Wars world, which they will now be using.  That's enough to make him a creative consultant right there, even if he does nothing else.

Personally, I think that's idea if they can get the right people in charge of the movies/other stuff.  He comes up with the basic story, someone else writes and directs the film.  Apparently they are already writings film 7.
Title: Re: Disney buying ‘Star Wars’ maker Lucasfilm for $4.05 billion from George Lucas
Post by: Podmark on October 31, 2012, 12:49:59 AM
Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on October 31, 2012, 12:32:32 AM
In all of those cases, any contracts have to be honored.

Well I'm really thinking about the long term future. I wouldn't expect much immediate changes.
Title: Re: Disney buying ‘Star Wars’ maker Lucasfilm for $4.05 billion from George Lucas
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on October 31, 2012, 01:00:30 AM
Well, as I said, Marvel will almost certain take over any comics, and since Clone Wars is done by LucasFilms, they merely change the distributor to one of Disney's channels, assuming the contract allows for that.
Title: Re: Disney buying ‘Star Wars’ maker Lucasfilm for $4.05 billion from George Lucas
Post by: GogglesPizanno on October 31, 2012, 02:04:18 AM
While everyone is talking about Star Wars and what it means, I'm more concerned about what plans they have for the Indiana Jones property (specifically films). Unlike Star Wars which is a universe of stuff to play with, Indy has been and always will be Harrison Ford -- end of story. I have friends that think they could do Indy like James Bond and i completely disagree. I'm really hoping they just leave that series (on film anyway) alone and let it be.

I would be ok with more printed media (books, comics etc..)
Title: Re: Disney buying ‘Star Wars’ maker Lucasfilm for $4.05 billion from George Lucas
Post by: Podmark on October 31, 2012, 02:09:52 AM
Quote from: GogglesPizanno on October 31, 2012, 02:04:18 AM
While everyone is talking about Star Wars and what it means, I'm more concerned about what plans they have for the Indiana Jones property (specifically films).

What I've read is that it 'doesn't factor into the deal' but I'm not really sure what that means.
Title: Re: Disney buying ‘Star Wars’ maker Lucasfilm for $4.05 billion from George Lucas
Post by: Talavar on October 31, 2012, 02:21:30 AM
I read this story and immediately thought - is it April 1 already?  Crazy, crazy news.  But I for one welcome our new mouse-eared overlords - I can't imagine they could make worse Star Wars movies than the prequels.
Title: Re: Disney buying ‘Star Wars’ maker Lucasfilm for $4.05 billion from George Lucas
Post by: BentonGrey on October 31, 2012, 03:34:18 AM
Heh...well, I figure they can't do much worse to the franchise than Lucas already did.  Let's face it, Clone Wars is already the show that Disney would have made.
Title: Re: Disney buying ‘Star Wars’ maker Lucasfilm for $4.05 billion from George Lucas
Post by: Reepicheep on October 31, 2012, 09:16:11 AM
I heard the news and immediately came here to check if it was true.

I dunno what to think. I actually have my doubts that Disney could get it more wrong than Lucas did for 1, 2 and 3. But I also doubt that anything could meet the high standard that the original series has.

I'm pretty convinced that they'll do something completely different to whats already appeared in Star Wars Extended Universe. The cast is too old to pull off any of the Legacy plots.

Personally, I would hope they do the Kyle Katarn stories. That would be fun.
Title: Re: Disney buying ‘Star Wars’ maker Lucasfilm for $4.05 billion from George Lucas
Post by: Shogunn2517 on October 31, 2012, 01:44:49 PM
Speaking of, I don't know if anyone noticed what Lucas said in the interview, but HE stated that he has "story treatments for seven, eight and nine and a bunch of other movies" and he also said "hundreds of books and comics" and he said he'd give it to Kathy (Kennedy) to take and "make great movies."

That tells me that perhaps they are making an Epsisode VII, VIII and IX, but I'm not convinced these will be stories we haven't already seen.  Even if they are, from what they said, I'm almost positive we will see stories from the Expanded Universe see big(or small) screen adaptations.  Maybe an X-Wing series.  Maybe a Dark Empire mini-series.  There is so much out there, so many characters out there and unlike George, they really don't have to follow the main Skywalker storyline.  Maybe we get a series about Boba Fett or Carnor Jax or Dash Rendar, Galen Marek, Kyle Katarn, or even Exar Kun and Nomi Sunrider.  To be honest, with Disney, it's many properties and media and with as many stories that can be told, I think the possibilities are sightly below endless... and IMO, it's about time.
Title: Re: Disney buying ‘Star Wars’ maker Lucasfilm for $4.05 billion from George Lucas
Post by: BentonGrey on October 31, 2012, 04:05:23 PM
Well, Lucas already squandered the opportunity to make the live action sequels when he chose to waste years with his terrible prequels, but I would love to see an animated adaptation of the Thrawn trilogy with the original cast voicing their characters.  It won't happen, but it would be awesome.
Title: Re: Disney buying ‘Star Wars’ maker Lucasfilm for $4.05 billion from George Lucas
Post by: detourne_me on October 31, 2012, 04:09:06 PM
Shogunn, when you put it that way.... wow 4 Billion dollars for an entire universe is quite a steal.  I thinks thats roughly how much they paid for Marvel.  and I think it's on it's way to paying off already.
Title: Re: Disney buying ‘Star Wars’ maker Lucasfilm for $4.05 billion from George Lucas
Post by: Talavar on October 31, 2012, 05:39:01 PM
Looking at this deal and the announced Episode 7 to 9 trilogy, I have this warning: those of you who enjoy the Star Wars Extended Universe, prepare to be disappointed.  Disney has no reason to try and follow it, and lots of reasons not to (the aged cast, the dramatically varied quality of the work, the numerous different creators involved, and more).
Title: Re: Disney buying ‘Star Wars’ maker Lucasfilm for $4.05 billion from George Lucas
Post by: bearded on October 31, 2012, 06:56:24 PM
lucas has always been forgiving of fan creations. i think disney will be less so.
Title: Re: Disney buying ‘Star Wars’ maker Lucasfilm for $4.05 billion from George Lucas
Post by: GogglesPizanno on October 31, 2012, 07:24:51 PM
Any of those Star Wars Mods for other games you have always thought of playing... better download em now!
Title: Re: Disney buying ‘Star Wars’ maker Lucasfilm for $4.05 billion from George Lucas
Post by: detourne_me on October 31, 2012, 07:32:01 PM
right....because disney came down so hard on marvel mods <_<
Title: Re: Disney buying ‘Star Wars’ maker Lucasfilm for $4.05 billion from George Lucas
Post by: Reepicheep on October 31, 2012, 10:27:34 PM
Fan involvement and creations helped keep Star Wars active and breathing, maybe even from the brink of death from the prequels. Whether the Disney suits are money-sucking vampires or Crazy Star Wars Fanboys, they'll see the diversely profitable side of allowing fan creativity.

Talavar has a good point, though. Given how much Lucas liked to ignore the extensions fans made on his own universe, I find it difficult to believe that Disney will - whether out of ignorance or creative supremacy - remain loyal.
Title: Re: Disney buying ‘Star Wars’ maker Lucasfilm for $4.05 billion from George Lucas
Post by: BWPS on November 01, 2012, 12:45:40 AM
This is going to be really really great. I'm already anticipating this as much as my HORRIBLE HORRIBLE GROWN-UP AND NON-STAR WARS-CENTERED BRAIN will allow. Lucas is absolutely a Saint for giving up his babies to a company that will be able to do what's best for them and for us. I'm really of the belief that we should have a whole mess of movies set in the Star Wars Universe, not just following Anakin/Luke and friends. After all, there is probably more history of the extended star wars universe online and in books than there is history of real life.

I do agree Indy should be left alone on the big screen if Harrison Ford isn't game. But maybe we can get some sweet comic books or video games or something.
Title: Re: Disney buying ‘Star Wars’ maker Lucasfilm for $4.05 billion from George Lucas
Post by: Talavar on November 01, 2012, 03:09:28 AM
Confirmation that the Extended Universe is (probably) dead: http://spinoff.comicbookresources.com/2012/10/31/star-wars-episode-7-will-be-original-story-report-says/ (http://spinoff.comicbookresources.com/2012/10/31/star-wars-episode-7-will-be-original-story-report-says/)

I'm okay with it.  Others?
Title: Re: Disney buying ‘Star Wars’ maker Lucasfilm for $4.05 billion from George Lucas
Post by: Podmark on November 01, 2012, 03:49:48 AM
I'll be disappointed if the Expanded Universe comes to an end, but I totally understand not wanting to follow it in making newer movies. It's the choice I would make (that or adapt stuff like Thrawn and Legacy of the Force).

An original movie doesn't necessarily mean the end of the Expanded Universe. It could continue in books, comics etc. We'd just have two universes.
Title: Re: Disney buying ‘Star Wars’ maker Lucasfilm for $4.05 billion from George Lucas
Post by: BentonGrey on November 01, 2012, 04:52:35 AM
Like I said, I expected it, but unless they can produce some Avengers level brilliance, I don't have a whole lot of interest in seeing a story that isn't the Thrawn Trilogy brought to the screen.  I don't have faith they'll produce anything better.
Title: Re: Disney buying ‘Star Wars’ maker Lucasfilm for $4.05 billion from George Lucas
Post by: deano_ue on November 01, 2012, 08:11:40 AM
You guys need to look at the bigger picture its not just Star Wars, it's lucasfilm, ILM, sky walker sound. Everything all property's they each owned the heap

It should be fine I mean its not like its fresh water for Disney, they have had a huge hand in Star Wars for a while now, rides, stage shows at parks and entire exclusive line of the toys.
Title: Re: Disney buying ‘Star Wars’ maker Lucasfilm for $4.05 billion from George Lucas
Post by: Talavar on November 01, 2012, 12:41:20 PM
Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on November 01, 2012, 08:11:40 AM
You guys need to look at the bigger picture its not just Star Wars, it's lucasfilm, ILM, sky walker sound. Everything all property's they each owned the heap

It should be fine I mean its not like its fresh water for Disney, they have had a huge hand in Star Wars for a while now, rides, stage shows at parks and entire exclusive line of the toys.

Actually, a lot of people have mentioned that, voicing concern over a continuation of Indiana Jones without Harrison Ford.  Most trade articles have stressed that ILM will continue pretty much as now, working for whatever movie studio that pays them - only now Disney will be getting a cut of almost every big FX blockbuster that comes out.
Title: Re: Disney buying ‘Star Wars’ maker Lucasfilm for $4.05 billion from George Lucas
Post by: thalaw2 on November 01, 2012, 01:50:16 PM
Let's look at it from the grander view.  George Lucas is a household name but he will never reach the heights of Walt Disney.  Disney probably forced him to play ball and 4.05billion is a nice sum of money for him to bow out.  It will take care of him for generations.  However, it does not even put a dent in the pocket  of the wealth of the WD family.  The real question is why didn't GL sale to Disney sooner?  His accountants and other number crunchers met with Disney's bean counters and they reached a deal.  There probably wasn't enough money available in the current world economy to close the deal.  Who knows what they had to go through to make this deal work.....After all the world is operating on less than 50% of the actual wealth out there. 

Anyway, Georgy got the deal he was looking for.  He's gonna bow out (deservedly) and retire to some place where he can eat vegetarian and shoot HGH.   
Title: Re: Disney buying ‘Star Wars’ maker Lucasfilm for $4.05 billion from George Lucas
Post by: Talavar on November 01, 2012, 04:23:18 PM
Quote from: thalaw2 on November 01, 2012, 01:50:16 PM
Let's look at it from the grander view.  George Lucas is a household name but he will never reach the heights of Walt Disney.  Disney probably forced him to play ball and 4.05billion is a nice sum of money for him to bow out.  It will take care of him for generations.  However, it does not even put a dent in the pocket  of the wealth of the WD family.  The real question is why didn't GL sale to Disney sooner?  His accountants and other number crunchers met with Disney's bean counters and they reached a deal.  There probably wasn't enough money available in the current world economy to close the deal.  Who knows what they had to go through to make this deal work.....After all the world is operating on less than 50% of the actual wealth out there. 

Anyway, Georgy got the deal he was looking for.  He's gonna bow out (deservedly) and retire to some place where he can eat vegetarian and shoot HGH.

Sorry - how could Disney force him to play ball?  George owned the controlling interest in Lucasfilm; this was hardly a hostile takeover.  I personally think Lucas lost his passion for filmmaking and Star Wars in particular years ago.  All through the development of the prequels, the only thing that seemed to animate him was the development of new digital technology, not the characters or story.

Also, the Disney company hasn't been the Disney family in some time - the last member to be actively involved in the company, Roy E. Disney, died several years ago.  He himself  owned 1% of the company's stock - worth a fortune, to be sure, but hardly a controlling interest - and his estate was estimated at about 1.2 billion dollars (Lucas' own estate, before this sale, was estimated at 3.3 billion - time to add a couple more billion).  This isn't the story of a wealthy family buying out a creative man, but an extremely wealthy man selling his intellectual property to a vast multimedia conglomerate.

As to the last point - about their not being enough money in the world, well the terms of the deal are public knowledge.  Half is being paid in cash, and half in Disney stock.  That has made Lucas one of the largest single stockholders of the Disney corporation, just behind the estate of Steve Jobs.
Title: Re: Disney buying ‘Star Wars’ maker Lucasfilm for $4.05 billion from George Lucas
Post by: Shogunn2517 on November 02, 2012, 01:27:16 PM
Doesn't this automatically qualify him for Sainthood?  Or something?
Title: Re: Disney buying ‘Star Wars’ maker Lucasfilm for $4.05 billion from George Lucas
Post by: Talavar on November 02, 2012, 08:59:15 PM
It's very generous for sure, but let's not overstate things - even before this deal he was a multi-billionaire, so it's not like he's going to be living in poverty now.
Title: Re: Disney buying ‘Star Wars’ maker Lucasfilm for $4.05 billion from George Lucas
Post by: BWPS on November 02, 2012, 10:42:01 PM
Quote from: Talavar on November 02, 2012, 08:59:15 PM
It's very generous for sure, but let's not overstate things - even before this deal he was a multi-billionaire, so it's not like he's going to be living in poverty now.

Dude, seriously? Who is a more generous person? It's FOUR BILLION WITH A B DOLLARS. The percentage vs. quantity thing only matters for the giver's personal sacrifice, which while that has value, is meaningless to actual good done in the world. Which FOUR BILLION DOLLARS to education certainly ranks pretty high.
Title: Re: Disney buying ‘Star Wars’ maker Lucasfilm for $4.05 billion from George Lucas
Post by: Tomato on November 02, 2012, 10:55:37 PM
Assuming you're actually serious (which is a large stretch, admittedly) No one is saying that the money isn't better spent in charity: Tavalar is saying that doing this one thing doesn't make Lucas the patron saint of charity. He's doing a great thing, but it's not like he's giving away all his possessions and living on the streets of new york. George Lucas will live comfortably for the rest of his life and never want for anything, even without the four billion.
Title: Re: Disney buying ‘Star Wars’ maker Lucasfilm for $4.05 billion from George Lucas
Post by: BWPS on November 02, 2012, 11:27:45 PM
Oh I see. Charity, the act of giving to a good cause, is now measured not by how much it helps people, but by how much it HURTS the person giving? :doh:  I have this conversation WAY too often, and it's unbelievable to me. Who has given more? How does him still having some money make his worth any less?
Title: Re: Disney buying ‘Star Wars’ maker Lucasfilm for $4.05 billion from George Lucas
Post by: Tomato on November 03, 2012, 01:55:55 AM
Ugh... no one is saying that Lucas hasn't done a really, really amazing thing here BWPS. He has. There are hundreds of rich people who wouldn't donate half that for anything except as a tax write-off, and George Lucas deserves all the praise he gets for doing it.

That said, we shouldn't take appreciation for that action to absurd levels, like nominating him for sainthood and crap. He could put ten times that amount into education and STILL not want for anything for the rest of his life. I don't think LESS of him for not having done so, because he legitimately earned his money (he gambled most of his money to tell a story that millions of people have enjoyed, and created a company that has reshaped film as we know it), but I'm not going to bow down and worship the man because he decided he didn't need 4 billion dollars.

He did a great thing. Good for him. Moving on.
Title: Re: Disney buying ‘Star Wars’ maker Lucasfilm for $4.05 billion from George Lucas
Post by: Talavar on November 03, 2012, 01:26:31 PM
Quote from: Tomato on November 02, 2012, 10:55:37 PM
Assuming you're actually serious (which is a large stretch, admittedly) No one is saying that the money isn't better spent in charity: Tavalar is saying that doing this one thing doesn't make Lucas the patron saint of charity. He's doing a great thing, but it's not like he's giving away all his possessions and living on the streets of new york. George Lucas will live comfortably for the rest of his life and never want for anything, even without the four billion.

Exactly - I was responding to the statement that this qualifies him for sainthood.  Saints are people who gave up everything they owned and went and worked with lepers or something.  This is an extremely generous act by a man who can afford to be.
Title: Re: Disney buying ‘Star Wars’ maker Lucasfilm for $4.05 billion from George Lucas
Post by: BWPS on November 03, 2012, 03:12:08 PM
I read what you guys are saying as trying to take him down a peg, and if that's not the case, good.

Just wanted everyone to know I've got my own religion now, and George Lucas is our Patron Saint of Charity and Star Wars, both of which are integral parts to my faith.
Title: Re: Disney buying ‘Star Wars’ maker Lucasfilm for $4.05 billion from George Lucas
Post by: Reepicheep on November 03, 2012, 04:50:18 PM
Call it a publicity stunt or whatever, I'm more than happy to bow down to Lucas for doing that. See it as this: He sold Star Wars for Charity. Thats a big deal.
Title: Re: Disney buying ‘Star Wars’ maker Lucasfilm for $4.05 billion from George Lucas
Post by: thalaw2 on November 04, 2012, 01:59:47 AM
Great move to donate to charity.  At least that is tax deductible.  And since he really doesn't need the extra money it's good not to be stuck with a tax bill for 4 billion dollars.  I hope the money gets used ASAP.
Title: Re: Disney buying ‘Star Wars’ maker Lucasfilm for $4.05 billion from George Lucas
Post by: Shogunn2517 on April 26, 2014, 08:08:49 PM
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/lucasfilm-unveils-new-plans-star-698973

I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.
Title: Re: Disney buying ‘Star Wars’ maker Lucasfilm for $4.05 billion from George Lucas
Post by: Podmark on April 26, 2014, 10:32:25 PM
Not at all surprising, it's been all but confirmed for a long time now, and to be honest I think it's the right choice if Disney plans to create new movies.
I love the EU, lots of great characters and stories came from it. Hopefully the new version will live up to its predecessor.
Title: Re: Disney buying ‘Star Wars’ maker Lucasfilm for $4.05 billion from George Lucas
Post by: catwhowalksbyhimself on April 26, 2014, 10:58:02 PM
There's nothing whatsoever surprising there, no would I have expected anything else.  Franchises like this have always ignored the licensed materials.  At least in this case, they are not ignoring it completely.  That statement says that they will try to keep everything consistent and will reserve the right to use elements from the EU but simply won't be beholden to it.  That makes perfect sense and is far more generous than most franchises, such as Star Trek, have been.
Title: Re: Disney buying ‘Star Wars’ maker Lucasfilm for $4.05 billion from George Lucas
Post by: BentonGrey on April 26, 2014, 11:50:07 PM
I'll always wish that, instead of the prequels, we had just gotten adaptations of The Thrawn Trilogy.  Ahh, I can dream.  :( 

Yeah, this isn't surprising, but it is rather bittersweet.
Title: Re: Disney buying ‘Star Wars’ maker Lucasfilm for $4.05 billion from George Lucas
Post by: Shogunn2517 on April 27, 2014, 12:53:10 AM
Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on April 26, 2014, 10:58:02 PM
There's nothing whatsoever surprising there, no would I have expected anything else.  Franchises like this have always ignored the licensed materials.  At least in this case, they are not ignoring it completely.  That statement says that they will try to keep everything consistent and will reserve the right to use elements from the EU but simply won't be beholden to it.  That makes perfect sense and is far more generous than most franchises, such as Star Trek, have been.

That has pretty much been the path laid by other "canon" sources that was proceeded by EU sources.  Coruscant, Quinlan Vos, Nightsisters, Asajj Ventress, all came from the EU and eventually used in this ACTUAL canon.  The "Sequel" Trilogy itself is taking place not in the middle of a particular EU storyline so it's possible that it could have been written... but Chewbacca is alive so... /shrugs  Whaddaya gonna do.

Then again, the entire idea of the EU was to fit within whatever continunity established by Lucasfilms, which would often require bends, which has been acceptable, but then again, this is a different story.
Title: Re: Disney buying ‘Star Wars’ maker Lucasfilm for $4.05 billion from George Lucas
Post by: Reepicheep on April 27, 2014, 03:47:56 PM
That seems fair, to be honest. The EU is so expansive that episode 7 would have no wriggle room for its own creativity with the characters if it were treated as canon.

I doubt die hard Star Wars fans will be too disappointed by the results, but we'd still better brace for a rage storm.
Title: Re: Disney buying ‘Star Wars’ maker Lucasfilm for $4.05 billion from George Lucas
Post by: Midnite on April 30, 2014, 02:50:41 AM
Official Cast of Star Wars Episode VII (http://www.dcuopost.com/multiverse-news/official-cast-of-star-wars-episode-vii/)
Title: Re: Disney buying ‘Star Wars’ maker Lucasfilm for $4.05 billion from George Lucas
Post by: Podmark on April 30, 2014, 03:38:01 AM
Not really familiar with the new actors, except Andy Serkis and I'm quite curious who he'll be playing.
Title: Re: Disney buying ‘Star Wars’ maker Lucasfilm for $4.05 billion from George Lucas
Post by: MJB on April 30, 2014, 04:51:06 AM
From Serkis' track record one would assume he will play a CGI character.
Title: Re: Disney buying ‘Star Wars’ maker Lucasfilm for $4.05 billion from George Lucas
Post by: Shogunn2517 on April 30, 2014, 05:42:54 AM
I'm pretty suprised at Max Von Syndow.  Ming the Merciless and a few other notable roles I'm familiar with.  He's a good actor.  He's an older classically trained actor.  Easily see him playing older teacher or a villain type even.

Adam Driver I'm familiar with from the few episodes of Girls I've seen.  It was a different role than he'd obviously play here, but I wouldn't doubt he couldn't do it.