saw it last night, honestly meh a complete disappointment
bland characters, boring story that dragged like hell and just blah
the pros were great effects and the 3d scenes looked stunning, but the rest was just for the like of a better words lacklustre and boring
aside form all the nitpicks to do with the rest of the franchise( i know people say its not a direct prequel but if you include characters, setting and ideas from a franchise its a bloody prequel) hell i've heard some fans say it goes out fo the way to remove and "discredit" other aspects of the franchise like removing the alien queen idea and such. i'm not a huge fan of the alien mythos so i'm not sure but i'd like to see why they think this
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now like i said i dont know the whole ins and outs "geek facts" for the franchise for the idea that alien was a different planet and a different crashed ship, that thing at the end was obliviously the beginnings of the xenomorph. so for it to be on a different planet it either
a) gain space travel and crashed, hence the eggs in the space jockey room
b) the whole thing happened exactly the same on a different planet, with the person being infected, the pregnancy, the squid facehugging and engineer and the birth of alien again
others have said it ties more in with the directors cut of alien, which is pushing it even for obscure film buffs
to me its another avatar, it had no impact or story worth to me but its fans will defend it rabidly
the film just had no impact, i'm in the uk so its been out a while and got rave reviews from some artsy critics but more and more word of mouth is becoming negative
I see it as more of a fresh starting point... almost an alternate universe, like the Star Trek reboot. The disparity in tech alone warrants that at least.
I liked it, I wasn't blown away, but I did dig it.
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The zombified geologist was garbage, and i don't think that segment had any right to be in this movie.
I'm going to see this film this afternoon. I have heard nothing but good things about it, until I read evil's post.
Its an interesting failure.
From everything I've read, it started as a prequel, then Scott had some other ideas he wanted to explore, because he didn;t want to just rehash stuff form the original films, and i think it suffers from Scott really having more of an interest in the the "non Alien" parts of the movie.
Its biggest flaw is that they focus way to much on the story and themes and don't give any really effort to developing characters (except Fassbender who was great), but the story is so convoluted and confusing that any of the interesting ideas and concepts get lost in a really muddied (albeit gorgeous) execution. If you read some interview excerpts and can find screenshots of some some of the stuff form the movie that is quickly flashed by, things flesh out a bit more, but that just indicates a failure of the movie to present its ideas. If you have to scavenger hunt the making of a film to understand a lot of what it's trying to say, then it failed in standing on it own as a film.
Rotten Tomatoes gives it 74%. That's not too bad. Roger Ebert liked it too. I guess I will find out in an hour.
Quote from: captmorgan72 on June 10, 2012, 03:12:44 PM
I'm going to see this film this afternoon. I have heard nothing but good things about it, until I read evil's post.
a lot of people gave it high ratings but more and more are coming out hating it.
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I'm going to see this film this afternoon. I have heard nothing but good things about it, until I read evil's post.
a lot of people gave it high ratings but more and more are coming out hating it.
Hearing and reading the reactions to it reminds me a lot of the reaction to the ending of Mass Effect 3.
Regardless of whether you think it works or not (UE and I dont), you can at least see that there are ideas in there that have people talking.
Just got back from seeing it and I guess one man's garbage is another's treasure. I really liked it and thought the story was anything but boring. Before watching it, I read a bunch of reviews and some people were saying the story is convoluted and confusing. I was expecting that going in, but the story did not seem convoluted or confusing to me at all. I guess that's the way it is though, some will like it and some will not. For me anyway, this movie was fantastic. :thumbup:
I think Prometheus is definitely a mixed bag. It was well-acted and very visually attractive, but the characters were often morons and the movie itself had dubious logic.
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now like i said i dont know the whole ins and outs "geek facts" for the franchise for the idea that alien was a different planet and a different crashed ship, that thing at the end was obliviously the beginnings of the xenomorph. so for it to be on a different planet it either
a) gain space travel and crashed, hence the eggs in the space jockey room
b) the whole thing happened exactly the same on a different planet, with the person being infected, the pregnancy, the squid facehugging and engineer and the birth of alien again
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It's a different planet than in Alien/Aliens. This was LV-223, they were LV-426. But still neither A nor B: the thing at the end was not necessarily the beginning of the xenomorph - the mural in the vase/big-head room already showed something very xenomorph-y. This leads to several possibilities: 1. The Space Jockeys made both the xenomorphs and the weird worm goo in this film as separate, but related bio-weapons (there were a bunch of other 'pyramids' the characters never explore after all; maybe each had different creation); 2. The Space Jockeys developed their weird worm goo bio-weapon from studying the xenomorphs, just like Paul Reiser and Ian Holm wanted to do in Alien/Aliens; 3. the Space Jockeys were aware of the xenomorphs, and created something inspired by it to wipe out life on earth, but otherwise unrelated.
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I think Prometheus is definitely a mixed bag. It was well-acted and very visually attractive, but the characters were often morons and the movie itself had dubious logic.Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on June 10, 2012, 01:13:54 PM
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now like i said i dont know the whole ins and outs "geek facts" for the franchise for the idea that alien was a different planet and a different crashed ship, that thing at the end was obliviously the beginnings of the xenomorph. so for it to be on a different planet it either
a) gain space travel and crashed, hence the eggs in the space jockey room
b) the whole thing happened exactly the same on a different planet, with the person being infected, the pregnancy, the squid facehugging and engineer and the birth of alien again
Response in spoilers: Spoiler
It's a different planet than in Alien/Aliens. This was LV-223, they were LV-426. But still neither A nor B: the thing at the end was not necessarily the beginning of the xenomorph - the mural in the vase/big-head room already showed something very xenomorph-y. This leads to several possibilities: 1. The Space Jockeys made both the xenomorphs and the weird worm goo in this film as separate, but related bio-weapons (there were a bunch of other 'pyramids' the characters never explore after all; maybe each had different creation); 2. The Space Jockeys developed their weird worm goo bio-weapon from studying the xenomorphs, just like Paul Reiser and Ian Holm wanted to do in Alien/Aliens; 3. the Space Jockeys were aware of the xenomorphs, and created something inspired by it to wipe out life on earth, but otherwise unrelated.
see i call bull on all that, this film was built on promises of the origins of the alien movies and it basically becomes a tease for sequel bait, if they were not going to give answers or actually tie it back to the beginning of alien, don't have the imagery that links back to the first film
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Quote from: Talavar on June 11, 2012, 03:24:36 AM
I think Prometheus is definitely a mixed bag. It was well-acted and very visually attractive, but the characters were often morons and the movie itself had dubious logic.Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on June 10, 2012, 01:13:54 PM
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now like i said i dont know the whole ins and outs "geek facts" for the franchise for the idea that alien was a different planet and a different crashed ship, that thing at the end was obliviously the beginnings of the xenomorph. so for it to be on a different planet it either
a) gain space travel and crashed, hence the eggs in the space jockey room
b) the whole thing happened exactly the same on a different planet, with the person being infected, the pregnancy, the squid facehugging and engineer and the birth of alien again
Response in spoilers: Spoiler
It's a different planet than in Alien/Aliens. This was LV-223, they were LV-426. But still neither A nor B: the thing at the end was not necessarily the beginning of the xenomorph - the mural in the vase/big-head room already showed something very xenomorph-y. This leads to several possibilities: 1. The Space Jockeys made both the xenomorphs and the weird worm goo in this film as separate, but related bio-weapons (there were a bunch of other 'pyramids' the characters never explore after all; maybe each had different creation); 2. The Space Jockeys developed their weird worm goo bio-weapon from studying the xenomorphs, just like Paul Reiser and Ian Holm wanted to do in Alien/Aliens; 3. the Space Jockeys were aware of the xenomorphs, and created something inspired by it to wipe out life on earth, but otherwise unrelated.
see i call bull on all that, this film was built on promises of the origins of the alien movies and it basically becomes a tease for sequel bait, if they were not going to give answers or actually tie it back to the beginning of alien, don't have the imagery that links back to the first film
And it does link back, just very, very tenuously. Don't think I'm defending the film here, I think it has serious problems.
Jeez, UE don't get so bent out of shape.It's as Ridley Scott said. it's not a direct prequel to Alien, but it does give info on the origins. Like I mentioned before, it's a new take on it, a la the JJ Abrams Star Trek.
The inconsistencies in human technololgy are a telltale sign.
Stupid characters and plot holes aside, i think it would have made a much better more interesting sci fi film if they had just cut all the ties to Alien and let it exist as its own thing. I think the baggage that the alien threads bring to the movie hinders what is actually an interesting concept.
Quote from: detourne_me on June 11, 2012, 04:40:52 PM
Jeez, UE don't get so bent out of shape.It's as Ridley Scott said. it's not a direct prequel to Alien, but it does give info on the origins. Like I mentioned before, it's a new take on it, a la the JJ Abrams Star Trek.
The inconsistencies in human technololgy are a telltale sign.
no its not, star trek said from the get go that it was an alt universe. scott said this would answer any remaining questions about the alien franchise, it may not be a direct prequel by using the same characters but it is linked to the back story, and when you promise answers and pull a lost on people, people get ticked
leaving out the alien connection, the film it's self is beautifully shot, but the story is flawed, the pacing is inconsistent and the characters a god damn morons "yeah a strange alien has hissed and bared its fangs, i'm stick my fingers in its mouth" , thats what is annoying me more than anything
the whole thing screams bait and switch sequel bait, which ironically enough has just been announced with a possible third
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I agree with Evil, about the morons who just moments ago were afraid of a possible life form that was being picked up on scanners, and then started to "play" with an alien snake thingy. Yeah, that was pretty dumb. But, then, maybe those guys were just idiots pure and simple.
I do really love the idea that the Engineers were going to bring an apocalypse to Earth approximately 2000 years ago, because of what humanity did to a "certain" emissary of theirs. Then there is the "War in Heaven" theory and all things biblical. I love that Scott went there, because I personally believe that it is very possible that is where religions/mythologies came from. Anyway here are the links. http://www.prometheusforum.net/discussion/1575/ridley-scott-engineers-they-are-dark-angels http://www.prometheusforum.net/discussion/1903/the-thing-about-the-jesus-scenario-