First Image Released From The CW's Arrow (http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/169911-first-image-released-from-the-cws-arrow)
I'm so glad this isn't a spinoff of Smallville from what I've read.
I like the costume. This has potential to be really great (by CW standards). Green Arrow has some good stories that translate well into TV. Let's hope the quality is closer to Ringer, Supernatural or Gossip Girl rather than Smallville.
I hope they stick to his leftist roots.
Quote from: lugaru on March 20, 2012, 04:33:18 PM
I hope they stick to his leftist roots.
Urg...I hope they don't hit that drum too hard. I've always hated him as a freaking hippie. JLU had a nice balance of someone who leaned left, but who, at the same time, wasn't constantly beating everyone over the head with his politics.
As for this show, ehhh. I don't have a whole lot of interest. It's not that I have any problems with it, but I have to say they haven't gotten my attention yet. That image of the costume shows more of the "Everything must be leather!" superhero design mindset that I'm not so fond of.
I'm just wondering why they let Justin Hartley get away. Green Arrow is one of my fave DC properties (but definitely not in the past few years, oi vey), so I'm going to be positive and hope the show comes out okay, if only to show DC that the non-trinity heroes can carry a show and deserve some spotlight.
If it's based on the Longbow Hunters, I'm probably going to get bored of it quickly.
If its anchored in the wider DCU, I'm all in.
Just in case anyone still cares, this show has officially been picked up by CW.
Green is my favorite color so I'll give it a watch. I don't know why it has to edgier...is he going to actually kills people with the arrows? In this day and age can someone get stuck on an island for 5 years, especially a billionaire?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpFobB8EpKQ&feature=share
Looking pretty good. He's got good form when shooting arrows
The official trailer for "Arrow" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViFb0paKdgg&feature=player_embedded
I actually looks pretty good, except for what looks like a more anti hero, Green Arrow perhaps killing people. That isn't entirely clear though.
The general movie-watching public sees preview image and says...
"Look! They're doing a Hawkeye show!
But why is he wearing green?"
Quote from: oldmanwinters on May 20, 2012, 02:45:02 AM
The general movie-watching public sees preview image and says...
"Look! They're doing a Hawkeye show!
But why is he wearing green?"
Agreed. And it doesn't really look all that great to boot.
A New Arrow Trailer Teases a DC Comics Villain (http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/170991-a-new-arrow-trailer-teases-a-dc-comics-villain)
Meh.
Meh indeed. The trailer makes about as much sense as I thought the series would....none.
Fall 2012 Preview (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=TA2aUDYv6tA)
Arrow - 1x01 - Pilot - Sneak Peek "HD" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxPoAWIK8TU&feature=player_embedded)
:banghead: This looks terrible.
The creator of the show was quoted as saying "this is not a show about a superhero." He also went on to talk about all the other things that won't be there. He won't be called Green Arrow, super powers won't exist, he will use whatever weapon he can get his hands on, for example. Also the latest ads clearly show his as a murderous vigilante, not a hero.
So how does this make sense? If you're going to take a famous superhero and strip away everything that defines him, how is that going to work well? The very audience it would normally appeal to is going to hate it, so who exactly is left?
You know you love him.
XO XO
Green Arrow Arrow Boy
It reminds me when Smallville started. He will not fly, He will not wear the costume (you will not see it either), and he will not get the girl. Let's see how long they'll keep their promises.
Smallville was good for about two seasons. Arrow might do better.
I'm apparently in the minority, but I thought the trailer was kind of interesting. I'm not a huge fan of Green Arrow so I'm not bothered about what few elements they've decided to take from him.
I would like to see Black Canary in it, though.
The show itself does look like it might have potentional. But a ruthless murderous vigilante is not the green arrow. Chance all the names and I'll be happy.
You think they will put other heroes in the show? Maybe Bruce Wayne or Lex might make an appearance?
They said there are no superheroes or powers. Bruce or Lex are possible I suppose, but I doubt it.
John Barrowman Joins The CW's Arrow (http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/172255-john-barrowman-joins-the-cws-arrow)
Arrow Adds The Huntress (http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/172337-arrow-adds-the-huntress)
Batman Begins with a Bow.
Thats all I got from that trailer.
The Royal Flush Gang Will Appear in Arrow (http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/172725-the-royal-flush-gang-will-appear-in-arrow)
QuoteThe writers at Arrow are pulling out all the stops for their new show. We've got China White, Deathstroke, Deadshot, and Huntress all confirmed, along with rumors of Firestorm set to appear in the show. Now we've got one more addition to the cast from the DC archives and it will make comic book faithfuls happy. Zap2it has confirmed that the Royal Flush Gang will appear in the CW's TV series Arrow and "Being Human" actor Kyle Schmid has been cast as the gang's leader Ace.
The Royal Flush Gang are a group of super villains in the DCU that are card themed (in case you couldn't tell). They're set to appear in episode six of the series titled "Legacies."
Arrow stars Stephen Amell as Oliver Queen, Colin Donnell as Tommy, David Ramsey as John Diggle, with Susanna Thompson as Moira Queen and Paul Blackthorne as Detective Quentin Lance.
From Greg Berlanti (Green Lantern), Marc Guggenheim (Green Lantern), Andrew Kreisberg ("Warehouse 13", "Fringe") and David Nutter ("Smallville", "Supernatural", "Game of Thrones"), the hard-hitting action series reinvents the DC hero. After being marooned for five years on a remote island, billionaire Oliver Queen returns home with a mysterious agenda and very lethal new set of skills that he uses in a war on crime.
The show premieres Wednesday, October 10th at 8 p.m. ET/PT.
I love the Royal Flush Gang so I may just have to check that episode out. I hope they are interpreted well.
I'm still a little dismayed at the lack of Black Canary.
I notice that the detective's last name is Lance. Could this be a tie in to a Dinah Lance aka Black Canary opening?
There is slated to be a Laurel Lance in the show, which is Dinah's middle name (Earth 1). I would guess that the detective would be her father, brother, or husband (least likely). His name isn't linked that I know of to Dinah's father/husband, so not sure where it might be coming from.
Anyone watch the pilot? I thought it was pretty great. :o
Recorded it , going to watch it tonight.
Saw it and it's better than what I expected. It still has that "Smallville" feel to it. I like it, but like it was said before: It's Batman with Green Arrow in it. I'll get into more details when enough people see it.
I saw it and I liked it. Didn't really feel like a comic hero though.
First Look at Deathstroke in Arrow.
This is how Deathstroke should of looked in Smallville.
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(http://cdn2.superherohype.com/images/stories/2012/October/Deathstroke-610x406.jpg?1350079758)
I must admit, the costume looks good.
Quote from: Midnite on October 13, 2012, 06:16:03 AM
This is how Deathstroke should of looked in Smallville.
Deathstroke was in Smallville? Either I missed an episode at some point, or I'm blocking the memory (either case is just as likely).
So no super power people will be on the show? So don't expect to see Black Carney on the show?
Dinah Larrel Lance (who in this continuity prefers to go by her middle name) is indeed in the show. If she even becomes Black Canary, she won't have her Canary Cry.
And yes, Deathstroke was in Smallville. He was the military general who kept causing trouble for the heroes in the last season. He didn't wear a costume and he went by his real name, although he did at one point boast that he was "beyond death's stroke."
ARROW New York Comic Con 2012 Reel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qu9QZkL-MS4)
Just got to watch it, seems to have some potential. Looking forward to the next episode.
From the comic con reel I see that Deadshot is going to make an appearance, but who's the girl with the bad blonde wig?
It's China White.
She's actually in this week's episode.
Guys, I am SOLD on this show!
it really is the Dark Knight trilogy in TV format with a bow.
I had my doubts about this when I saw the first trailer, but if folks here are singing its praises, I am gonna get on this bandwagon.
My main problem is that I really really WANT to hate this thing. I must with great reluctance admit that it's not too bad so far.
Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on October 20, 2012, 05:44:44 PM
My main problem is that I really really WANT to hate this thing. I must with great reluctance admit that it's not too bad so far.
I agree. What I like about it is that it's fast paced, unlike Smallville which seems to take forever. So far I'm really liking the show.
I think the comparisons to Smallville should stop, because they don't really fit. It would be more accurate to use the Nolan Batman movies as a comparison. A dark, gritty, realistic take on a superhero. Arrow takes place similarly in a world without superpowers in a city overtaken by corruption and criminals. It's a different character and the motivations behind the main character are different, of course, but it is nonetheless a better comparison.
Photos from the Deathstroke episode.
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The show's been given a full season order. It's also the network's highest rated show. Not new show, highest rated period. It breaks some other records for the network too.
I think pacing saves this show. It's very well paced right now. The writers do a good job of not overdoing the action or the drama. I'm still not sold on the story, but at least it looks deeper than what I had previously thought. Of course, good ol' American conspiracy has shown up too.
I've been watching it and I really like it too. But man, is it Nolan's Batman.
I just want to add that one of my pet peeves about the show is the high body count. It makes the series more like a computer game than the adventures of a real world hero.
Quote from: thalaw2 on October 23, 2012, 10:17:59 AM
I just want to add that one of my pet peeves about the show is the high body count. It makes the series more like a computer game than the adventures of a real world hero.
Uncharted, specifically.
Like seriously, how much can that artifact be worth to justify hiring 10,000 trained mercenaries full-time?
Another great episode!
however...
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deadshot is dead already?
I think he'll be back, it was pretty interesting the reveal that Andy Diggle is John Diggle's brother. a nice bit of fan service.
Urg, should I actually be watching this? Nothing I heard about it pre-release made me think it would be worth a look.
Quote from: BentonGrey on October 26, 2012, 08:57:05 PM
Urg, should I actually be watching this? Nothing I heard about it pre-release made me think it would be worth a look.
If you liked the Nolan Batman movies then I would definitely say yes.
However, don't go into it thinking of it as a Green Arrow show.
Quote from: Podmark on October 27, 2012, 12:01:35 AM
Quote from: BentonGrey on October 26, 2012, 08:57:05 PM
Urg, should I actually be watching this? Nothing I heard about it pre-release made me think it would be worth a look.
If you liked the Nolan Batman movies then I would definitely say yes.
However, don't go into it thinking of it as a Green Arrow show.
Arr....see, why not make it a Green Arrow show? Or, if you don't want to make a Green Arrow show, why use Green Arrow? That's the problem I have with all such nonsense. Thanks for the thoughts, Pod.
My dad described the premise as being similar to the Count of Monte Cristo, in that Oliver goes through hell and sets out for revenge on the rich and powerful people in Star City who have made the city into the horrible place we're told it is.
It's actually got some very clever nods to the comics scattered throughout, though some seem to be from the nu52 book so I don't really understand them. It's a brilliant DC-type show, but I agree with Pod on this... I don't know who else it could be, but it's not really Green Arrow.
I think the Smallville adaptation of GA was much better than this show. At least he had moral standards...Arrow is a decent show but to say the guy is GA would probably do injustice to die hard GA fans, because of the video game nature of the action/slaughter scenes.
I dunno... Maybe it's just because I haven't seen the third episode yet (only seen 1 and 2) but I've been under the impression that the only people he outright killed were the guys who kidnapped him in episode 1. There are multiple comments (usually in scenes with Captain Sta... I mean, Lance) to the effect of "he put X of my men in the hospital" or "X of your people were injured," but no references to "hey, there are 20 dead bodies here" And he's very specifically set out to give all the people on his list a chance to do the right thing as well.
Yes, it is very violent. This is a guy shooting live arrows into people, there's only so many ways it can go. But I got the impression he's doing it very methodically... taking the grunts down WITHOUT killing them, if possible. If anything, that makes him more terrifying.
I should point out here, that the show doesn't even call itself Green Arrow. It's just Arrow. So is the character. While it's clearly based on Green Arrow, even the show isn't claiming that's what it is.
My guess is that they're trying to avoid the inevitable "but Green Arrow wouldn't do that'\" criticisms by changing the names around. Loyal enough to suggest it is Green Arrow, free enough to have their own way with the plot. If thats the case, thats actually a move I approve of.
Still not got around to catching this. Bah.
Ehh, I'd approve of them actually creating their own character a lot more.
Benton, seriously, just watch it for yourself. You're getting a lot of opinions and such that are being exaggerated for effect (like the "ZOMG he's killing people like it's a video game" nonsense.) and you're letting it color your opinion before you go in.
It's a good show, it has a ton of comic references, and some sweet action to boot. That's all you should be concerned with right now. Once you've seen the first few episodes, THEN you can form an opinion on how close you feel the character is to the "Classic" Oliver Queen.
Ehh, I'm not saying I won't, but I'm mostly just annoyed at this tendency in Hollywood.
Well, I'll put it this way: He's far, far closer to being the "real" Oliver Queen then the nu52 Oliver is/was when I last read his book. So... yeah, that's a thing.
I'm actually enjoying the show, it's not the classic GA, but after reading the Nu52 version, I like the TV version much better. And yes, GA was on my pull till I had to cancel everything for financial reasons.
Quote from: BentonGrey on October 28, 2012, 01:21:01 AM
Ehh, I'm not saying I won't, but I'm mostly just annoyed at this tendency in Hollywood.
With the way you're starting all your posts in 'ehh', your voice in my head sounds like Al Capone.
It's been okay for me though the fact that they kills Lawton in the first episode he appeared in doesn't bode well for many of the villians or the shows ability to stay on longer than a few seasons.
Quote from: Reepicheep on October 29, 2012, 08:26:19 AM
Quote from: BentonGrey on October 28, 2012, 01:21:01 AM
Ehh, I'm not saying I won't, but I'm mostly just annoyed at this tendency in Hollywood.
With the way you're starting all your posts in 'ehh', your voice in my head sounds like Al Capone.
Ehh, fogetaboutit.
Quote from: Deaths Jester on October 29, 2012, 03:35:16 PM
It's been okay for me though the fact that they kills Lawton in the first episode he appeared in doesn't bode well for many of the villians or the shows ability to stay on longer than a few seasons.
Pfft, it's a comic related show. Like he's REALLY 100% dead. For all we know the arrow just punctured his eye glass, ollie was distracted before he verified the kill.
Quote from: Tomato on October 27, 2012, 12:40:28 PM
Yes, it is very violent. This is a guy shooting live arrows into people, there's only so many ways it can go. But I got the impression he's doing it very methodically... taking the grunts down WITHOUT killing them, if possible. If anything, that makes him more terrifying.
i'm not worried about the violence. I'm jus sayin' it ain't GA is all. Although, admitedly I haven't read any of the new incarnations of GA...so maybe he is running around killing folks now.
From what I remember, he was working with a team and trying to make himself an internet celebrity.
No offense, I prefer the violence.
Arrow, like the Dark Knight series, are Deconstruction-Reconstruction (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DeconReconSwitch) loops. In other words, they take the concepts, through them in the real world, show what doesn't work, then show another vision of the characters which does. If you're a purist, maybe it's something you wouldn't like, but it can be interesting for those who aren't. Trick arrows are mostly silly and impractical, so that leaves real arrows. If you going to go running around shooting people with arrows, you are going to be killing people, at least sometimes. That leads to this version of the character, a vigilante who isn't about slaughtering his enemies, but won't cry if a few die along the way and driven by vengeance, but ultimately with a good heart and the best of intentions.
I see shades of purple. At least this Huntress has a mask, compare to the Birds of Prey show. <_<
(http://cdn2.superherohype.com/images/stories/2012/November/arrow-huntress.jpg?1351888424)
Finally got around to seeing this weeks episode... but before I get into anything in-depth on it, first things first.
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BARROWMAN!!!!!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeWiHerwTW4)
*cough* ok, that's out of my system now.
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So, wow, that all just happened. We have him gaining his first official teammate (with confirmation that Deadshot probably killed diggle's bro), trying to do the whole "I'm a sexy secret hero guy" for Dinah and failing, his mother had recovered the ship he crashed in(and an even more shocking, her new hubby wasn't in on her shenanigans), the first time he had to take a life (OMGAH the feels!) and the oh so tiny plot point of the cops figuring out his secret identity and arresting him.
This is EPISODE FOUR. Normally you don't see these sorts of shenanigans until like, the end of a season or something. Granted, there's no way the arrest will hold (he's not stupid enough to have anything in the mansion, so all the cops have is the one video) and Diggle might play dress up to throw them off the scent. But still! EPISODE FOUR!
I'm with Tomato, pretty cool stuff for episode 4. This show has been a very pleasant surprise.
Ep 4 was pretty good. I have a problem with Ep. 3
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If Queen got shot by deadshot why didn't police find his blood at the scene? They were able to collect arrows...maybe this will come out in Ep 5. If it does and they manage to turn things around..then that's some awesome writing. The ole' switch to the sidekick to throw off the scent has been done to death and I hope they don't use that to solve the arrest problem.
Finally they used the voice change thingy that worked so well in Smallville. I'm glad this guy is called "The Hood" instead of Green Arrow. For the record, I didn't think that step Pops was in on the conspiracy anyway...
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There might have been very trace elements of Oliver's blood at the crime scene, but A. it wouldn't be easily detected and B. there was another dead man bleeding to death nearby. The reality is cops do not have infinite budget for dna testing, and it was fairly reasonable to assume the blood came from the dead guy, especially since they were originally unaware that GA wasn't the killer.
Ep. 5 did something I didn't want them to do but....it wudn't all that bad. In fact I thought it was another good episode....however for the sake of argument
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Our man Oliver is ranking pretty high on the psychopath test (http://www.arkancide.com/psychopathy.htm). I'm glad I recently read the book by Jon Ronson so I can keep tabs as the episodes advance.
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Interstingly about Ollie's mother and her father's ship, if you've been keeping tabs on the show you know that she was most likely in on the shipwrecking and abandonment of her husband and son. Will be worth watching to see what happens when Ollie finds this out!!
Also they just did the Royal Flush Gang and that wasn't so well done...though they did leave two of the crew free and unaccounted for so maybe they'll bring them back in a better way.
Episode 5
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Deathstroke was pretty awesome in the flashback. Hope he appears in Starling City soon.
Episode 6 was a solid one. Wish RFG was handle differently, maybe when the come back, they're be more high tech?
Loving how they're giving Ollie more trick arrows. :thumbup:
Agreed...Ep. 6 solid, but the RFG did not live up to expectations.
I agree about the RFG, this episode seemed to be more about relationships, but it did do some decent backstory building and added a bit more motivation for Ollie to be a hero.
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Does anyone else think that other guy, the all-american wonder boy, will end up becoming a villain?
I think they are playing a long game before Merlin goes bad.
'Arrow' casts 'Spartacus' favorite in major role (http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/11/30/arrow-manu-bennett/)
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QuoteCrixus is coming to Arrow!
Spartacus fan favorite Manu Bennett has been cast in a major role in The CW's breakout superhero drama.
Bennett, best known as Sparty's right-hand man and sometimes adversary on the Starz action series, is playing Slade Wilson on Arrow.
For fans of the Green Arrow comics, that character is a big one. In the comics, Wilson eventually becomes a major villain in the franchise — Deathstroke (whom we've already seen briefly in a flashback, masked, played by another actor). Like with the question of if/when Laurel Lance will become the Black Canary, sources won't comment on whether Wilson will become Deathstroke, an insider simply said, "You'll just have to keep watching Arrow."
EW DAILY POLL: Do you like 'midseason finales'?
Here's what we can tell you: As seen in flashbacks, Slade Wilson and Oliver Queen (Stephen Amell) will form an uneasy alliance on the island of Lian Yu.
The buffed-out Bennett will make for a potentially physically worthy adversary for star Amell on the series, which has been on a strong casting streak lately. John Barrowman has been a welcome addition, and Jessica De Gouw showed some compelling chemistry with Amell this week.
Bennett is currently committed to appearing in multiple episodes of the show. He will also appear in the upcoming final season of Spartacus, and has a role as an orc chieftain in The Hobbit. Arrow airs Wednesdays on The CW.
'Arrow' seeking Shado: Will she be an ally for Oliver? (http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethebox/2012/11/arrow-seeking-shado-will-she-be-an-ally-for-oliver.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)
Quote"Arrow" is wasting no time introducing a multitude of villains and allies from the DC Comics universe -- and soon, we'll meet yet another. Zap2it has learned that producers are currently seeking the perfect actress to play Shado.
She's a vengeful archer and martial artist who first appeared in the comics in 1987. In the comics, Shado's purpose was to kill Americans who had disgraced her father and caused shame to fall on her family.
Of course, "Arrow" will give the character a new, unexpected twist. Shado will make her first appearance in episode 114, titled "The Odyssey." And yes -- she will have that familiar dragon tattoo.
The question remains as to whether Shado will be a friend or an adversary for Oliver. In the comics, they were at odds, until Shado helped Oliver take down a villain who had captured Laurel. They ended up working together to take down several more formidable villains.
(http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethebox/arrow-shado-dc.jpg)
It's been a while since anyone commented here, is anyone else still watching the show?
I am. It has been a very pleasant surprise this TV season.
I've thoroughly enjoyed it.
I am too. I've been enjoying it all the way through. I'm looking forward to seeing James Callus (Gaius Baltar from Battlestar Galactica) in an upcoming episode.
Enjoying this show a lot, love both Deathstrokes. :P
Well now there's only one Deathstroke...seeing as Wintergreen is now dead! :P And was great to finally see Shado appear!
Don't think he's dead yet. :o
Arrow 1x16 Extended Promo "Dead to Rights" (HD) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9Rli4eHG3A&feature=player_embedded)
Yeah..I know, Deadshot being alive again...this should be fun!!!
Looking forward to seeing the new and improved Deadshot.
finally got around to watching episode 16.
... What the heck took me so long!?!
Edit: Am I the only one noticing a suspicious amount of Doctor Who actors coming into Arrow (as well as the thinly veiled TDK references)?
Yeah, this show is pretty awesome.
It's much better than the comic book, in fact even Lemire's new take on the character seems to be following the show a little.
So Arrow's first season just wrapped.
I gotta say I really enjoyed this show - and originally I wasn't even planning to watch it. It is remarkably close to the type of superhero story I've always wanted to write. Fight scenes were great, I really liked the large cast, Oliver's family dynamic, the partnership between him a Diggle, and the island flashbacks never got to the point where I thought they just dragged things down.
A couple points about the finale:
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It really would have upped the tension if they had not named Felicity, Roy, and Slade as series regulars over a month before the season finale. All three were in potentially perilous situations during the episode but I knew they'd be fine because of those announcements. They should have been saved for tonight.
Tommy's death really surprised me. I'd read there would be at least one death and I'd figured out my shortlist before hand and he was not on it. He was probably the character I thought was least likely to die. I thought he'd be a mainstay of the series for a while, either going the Lex Luthor route or returning to a friendship role, and to keep the love triangle alive. And of course they'd want to play out the drama of Ollie killing his dad. It just seemed obvious to me.
And of course I was wrong, but in hindsight it makes sense. Despite what I said above I can't actually think of much worthwhile to do with the character. Of course good writers can come up with material, but if it was me I know I'd be struggling to think of something that wasn't overly cliche.
I'm going to miss John Barrowman.
I do have concerns about next season:
-Felcity being a series regular. I think she worked much better in smaller doses. She's essentially been a regular for the last third of the season, but I worry more of her is going to feel off or grate. She doesn't really fit the tone of the series.
-Ollie and Laurel as a couple. So far them together hasn't done much for me.
-Loss of Malcolm Merlin and of Fyers in the Island flashbacks. This is really just being afraid of change. The old villains are (probably) gone, what will the new ones look like? What they do next will dictate the enjoyment of the show, and they didn't leave much of a safety net.
I've read that the creators intend for flashbacks to be part of the show for the entirety of it's run. That's fine, as long as they're interesting.
Looking forward to season 2. Between this and SHIELD there should be some good comics shows on television next season.
Isn't Barrowman also a regular in Season 2?
Quote from: Starman on May 16, 2013, 12:46:16 PM
Isn't Barrowman also a regular in Season 2?
Not that I'm aware of.
I just saw the season finale too and it wuz good. I"m not in to the Roy story arch though....at least at this point it's small and doesn't have too much to do with my liking and disliking the show. The character needs to be tweeked or kicked out.
To be fair, they've only just started to build him up, and I think the eventual payoff for the character will be worth it.
Any thought on the season finale?
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I was surprised they killed off Tommy. :(
Quote from: Midnite on May 24, 2013, 02:50:54 PM
Any thought on the season finale?
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I was surprised they killed off Tommy. :(
Agreed.
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I really expected Tommy to follow in his father's footsteps for the second season.
Comic-Con 2013 Video - Arrow (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nkl8cmfXEOo#at=168)
So, did anyone else watch the season 2 premiere?
This is superhero TV done right!
A few thoughts:
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Summer Glau? Yes please! hopefully we'll see her don a costume too.
Dropping the name 'The Hood'? Great, and it looks like Green Arrow may become a viable name.
Roy Harper fighting? Awesome, I'm glad they are going with a slow burn here. at first i was worried he would be a part of the gang.
and the big reveal?
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Black Canary? really kicking butt, that's great, I think it's laurel, and she's on a mission to take down GA too.
On the Big reveal...
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I don't think it's Laurel, but may end up mentoring her.
My ONLY reason for thinking this is that they announced a casting for "Black Canary" that was a different woman. If this is a ruse on the part of the show's producers, kudos to them.
Had a few logic problems with the episode (like how do Dig and Smoak get off the island afterwards? How did they manage to narrow the search down on the amputee so easily, etc), but I still enjoyed it a lot. It's nice to see they are playing the long game with Oliver's development as a hero (we now see the start of a code against killing), but they also seem to be pacing it well as well.
QuoteBlack Canary? really kicking butt, that's great, I think it's laurel, and she's on a mission to take down GA too.
Totally agree dm although her costume kinda sucked, and i am sorry for the expression. Anyway its good to see a comic character addition in live-action.
Overall it was a decent premiere and i really liked the change in Oliver's crimefighting ways.
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However, the whole '' i don't kill anymore to honor Tommy's memory seemed a little forced to me. He acts as the Vigilante for one year and only when tommy dies realizes that we can subdue crimnals without killing them? I little late in my opinion but i can deal with it :D
I like how the island flashbacks continue. I thought that after
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Fyers died
the flashbacks could seize. Fortunately this didn't happen and i really hope that the events that will occur in the island will showcase a little more Oliver's persona.
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I also have an objection on Oliver killing the pirate/smuggler/bad guy that carved Shado as it was unnecessary in my opinion. Kinda gives the impression of serial killer and as i portray green arrow he should only kill when he has absolutely no other way. Of course i understand that was Oliver and not Green Arrow but even so the murder seemed a little overkill to me
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Overall it was a decent premiere and i really liked the change in Oliver's crimefighting ways. Spoiler
However, the whole '' i don't kill anymore to honor Tommy's memory seemed a little forced to me. He acts as the Vigilante for one year and only when tommy dies realizes that we can subdue crimnals without killing them? I little late in my opinion but i can deal with it :D
I think there was more to it than just that. After last season The Hood doesn't have a reason to fight. So to start again as Arrow he needed new inspiration and Tommy provided that.
I really liked the premiere, and Ollie's transition from avenger to hero is off to a very good start.
The one thing that kinda bugged me was how Felicity was at all the meetings. She's still only the IT girl right?
everyone in the office will think she's boning the boss!
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everyone in the office will think she's boning the boss!
That's what I would think!
Quoteeveryone in the office will think she's boning the boss!
I would take her over Laurel 11 times out of ten!!!
Hopefully the addition of Summer Glau doesn't mean the show will be ending this season. I like her but her track record ain't too good.
I feel that after this first episode that finally the Roy character has more clear direction. He got showed up bad and now it's time for him to up his game if he wants to be taken seriously by any of the emerging vigilantes. I really feel the show is making a good transition into a world of people with super powers. Nothing thrown in yet but it seems to be a nice setup towards that. I'm consistently impressed by the pacing of this show.
Episode 2 thoughts:
(non-spoilery version: I love it.)
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No Summer Glau? That's OK. We can see her come back later, the building tension between alderman Blood and Ollie's public face is great. A nice bit of "the hero Star City deserves" like from the Nolan films.
The best thing about that is the format of 20 hour long episodes a season allows for the politics to be drawn out and discussed.
The second season seems to be a nice step in the evolution of Green Arrow as a hero.
Black Driver? Secret Identities? Hilarious stuff,and it's unapologetic that this is a show about superheroes. Enlisting Roy Harper finally, too.
Michael Jai White as Bronze Tiger? AWESOME! I'm really excited that Ollie has an established villain to fight that is actually a pretty great actor and martial artist. Bronze Tiger (and especially Michael Jai White) are more credible threats to Ollie than previous villains like Deadshot and Count Vertigo. He'll be a really good foil until Merlyn comes back, or Crixus finally dons the deathstroke mask.
I liked this episode.
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Having Ollie try to make amends for the Glades was a good development and of course it had the old hero trope where their normal life is damaged by their hero life. And good to see Roy moving forward. I'd glad they didn't have him beating up thugs directionlessly for multiple episodes.
Season's off to a good start.
Wow. Lots of stuff going on in this one.
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Dollmaker was creepy as all heck, Ra's Al Ghul name drop, and the boat Ollie's on is the Amazo.
This episode was packed, really liked it. Laurel is still annoying :thumbdown:
Tons of refferences too
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Amazo, Tony Daniel (the guy who created dollmaker), Ra's Al Ghul
more than packed! A ton of stuff happened, felt like watching the JLU toon when there were multiple storylines going on at once.
can't wait for the next episode.
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Black Canary's sonic scream is tech. it fits really well with the established world.
Canary in the League of Shadows? cool, makes me wonder if Crixus/Deathstroke and Ollie ever came across the League of Shadows while on the island.
Det. Lance's involvement is pretty good, it's setting up the corrupt system/one good cop trope of Gotham City.
Roy is another weapon in Ollie's arsenal, and i like how all the characters are converging.
There can be a lot of parallels drawn between Arrow and the Nolan Batman movies, I really think this is a good thing, as Ollie's family connections allow us different storylines.
I kind of wonder if the relationship soap opera stuff will still be around, hopefully this show can keep the audience to keep up the darker and action oriented plot.
Just saw the third episode and basically it's a Batman TV show with Green Arrow. The show is awesome
Just saw the last episode. This is my response. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvaoeqNLNtM)
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But no, seriously guys, just WOW. So many nods to the character's history in this one episode. I love the setup (the fact that he knows it's a superhuman who killed his mother was a nice touch), the subtle and not so subtle nods to his origins (OMG the scene with the chemical rack, complete with a thunderstorm in the background). I'm totally nerding out right now.
I absolutely love this show I'm a bit behind you guys due to timing and such the last ep I saw was the Moira trail result
But I will state my love of the show has nothing to do with felicity smoak no nothing at all ¬_¬
This show is seriously awesome!
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Loved the reverse Flash reference. Grant is very likable as Barry. Deathstroke is born!!! Felicity is adorable as always.
Super minor nitpick
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I think Ra's (as represented in all forms of media) would have been OK with what Merlin did. Ra's was always ends justify the means kinda guy. But still I'm not bothered by it, just an observation.
Barry is so adorkable, I am now really looking forward to the Flash series.
When he was messing with the chemicals on the shelf, I'm sure every DC fan was holding their breath. :D
While the episode did have a few logic holes you could drive a truck through, I am still really enjoying it.
BTW:
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Did anyone else catch that the Acolyte's name? It's Cyrus Gold aka: Solomon Grundy.
Quote from: bat1987 on December 06, 2013, 12:47:48 PM
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I think Ra's (as represented in all forms of media) would have been OK with what Merlin did. Ra's was always ends justify the means kinda guy. But still I'm not bothered by it, just an observation.
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I took it more as Ra's being upset that Merlin went off and did his own thing.
Yeah it's a good show.
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I was pretty excited about Malcolm Merlin's return a few weeks ago.
I liked the way they depicted Grundy's super strength ... a lot more effective than similar stuff over on Agents of SHIELD.
It's interesting to see "Arrow" changing from a kind of light crime/vigilante drama into a more conventional "superhero" show with powers and everything.
Quote from: Starman on December 07, 2013, 04:33:58 AM
I liked the way they depicted Grundy's super strength ... a lot more effective than similar stuff over on Agents of SHIELD.
It's interesting to see "Arrow" changing from a kind of light crime/vigilante drama into a more conventional "superhero" show with powers and everything.
Cyrus Gold isn't Grundy yet, if he ever will be. I for one don't like the super strength/durability effect of the Miracle serum, its too much. I don't remember Deathstroke having these physical abilities, I remember him being like Captain America.
We don't know how effective it will be in the case of Slade Wilson, there could be other factors to it (The fact that there was no sedative in this case, the nerve damage he suffered due to his burns, Brother Blood's tampering with it in the five years since, it could even just depend on the person injected), so I wouldn't get too hung up on that until we see it for other characters. Those abilities DO fit a Solomon Grundy, aka Zombie Hulk. I don't think he's quite to "Solomon Grundy" levels yet, but it's a step in that direction.
This show is just amazing. The art direction lately has really been firing on all cylinders...
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After Roy gets shot, we see a red arrow (covered in blood).
Moira's middle name is Dearden, similar to Mia Dearden, the latest Speedy
Felicity's red dress was not only Smoak-ing hot, but the cut out is also reminiscent of Mia Dearden's Speedy outfit.
Yeah Barry is adorable in this, is he getting a spin-off? This character is infinitely more interesting than the comic counterpart.
If Shado dies on the island, that will cause enough strife between Slade and Ollie.
So, perhaps this is the best TV series I've ever watched...in Drama. It is awesome!
I must say I liked Barry, but that I think the actor is not fit for the part of Flash. At least not f, tor an adult Flash. Yes, this is body policing. He has to really get in shape if he wants to be Flash. However, it could be the costume design that didn't make things work.
I like the guys acting and I think his placement in the series is good, albeit high schoolish.
Anyway, the guy needs to hit the gym to improve his looks from the neck up. Otherwise I'm happy with him in the role.
Yeah, Flash is getting a spin-off, I think he's great for the part, just the right amounts of charismatic and goofy. I feel like comic books draw everyone with way extra muscles which doesn't make sense for real human beings, Flash makes sense to be less muscular in real life since he is less muscular in the comic books but because comic books are silly he still looks like a body builder.
And I'm so in love with this television program, I was a little unsure about adding super powers to the universe but it makes sense when expanding to include more characters and like everything on the show it's been handled well.
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Shooting whatshisname in the leg seemed a little extreme, but I guess that's Oliver for ya
I've been watching on Netflix. Admittedly, I know squat about Ollie or much of the DCU, but I am truly enjoying the show. And from what I have read on here most of you DCU fans are enjoying it.
Episode 9 spoilers: Fangasm!
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Solomon Grundy, Deathstroke, Flash, and a Mask for Ollie. WOW!
Who knows what WB's movie division is up to, the world building here is definitely on the right track.
Dosing Roy Harper is a good way to get him up to Green Arrow fighting levels without five+ years of training.
Baron Blood is a pawn of Slade's, who I'm guessing is a pawn of Ras.
Cyrus looks like he was overdosed with mirakuru, so that will probably manifest in a zombie appearance like Solomon Grundy.
Barry's transformation was REALLY well done. and I missed it, but was that Linda Park reporting on TV?
:thumbup:
Quote from: detourne_me on December 12, 2013, 01:17:34 PM
Episode 9 spoilers: Fangasm!
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Solomon Grundy, Deathstroke, Flash, and a Mask for Ollie. WOW!
Who knows what WB's movie division is up to, the world building here is definitely on the right track.
Dosing Roy Harper is a good way to get him up to Green Arrow fighting levels without five+ years of training.
Baron Blood is a pawn of Slade's, who I'm guessing is a pawn of Ras.
Cyrus looks like he was overdosed with mirakuru, so that will probably manifest in a zombie appearance like Solomon Grundy.
Barry's transformation was REALLY well done. and I missed it, but was that Linda Park reporting on TV?
:thumbup:
To your last question...the answer is yes.
Lots to like here...
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Present-day Slade looks amazing. The hints of grey plus the eyepatch totally sold it.
Not happy they fridged Shado, but kinda expected it eventually. Otherwise LOVED this episode! The birth of Solomon Grundy, a mask (FINALLY), the birth of the Flash (nicely done IMO), great reveal about Brother Blood and Slade, and just lots to like all the way around.
You know, I just realized that the Arrowettes (Sin, Roy, and Thea, that's what I'm calling them :P ) could easily turn out to be all three notable versions of the Green Arrow's sidekick: Red Arrow, Arsenal, and Speedy.
I was so impressed with this episode. Loved everything about it. Easily the most well done superhero series in my opinion.
The one thing that bugged me...
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We leave the episode with Barry in a serious accident, and to my understanding that's his last appearance in Arrow prior to the Flash pilot. If I didn't follow TV news I'd be pretty anxious to find out what happens to him next. Seems like an unsatisfying way to leave the character in the Arrow series.
Still good mid season finale, and I really appreciated Colin Donnell's appearance.
I'd been expecting Shado to be written out at some point since Slade was made a regular and she was just recurring. Disappointed she's dead (although people seem to come back to life a lot in this show), I liked her character.
Can't wait for next weeks episode. Deathstroke's costume looks really good. I like how they took some elements from Arkham Origins, wish they used the helmet design from it though.
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Is it D the T or jason?
someone missed the last few minutes of the barry allen two-parter
Speaking of Barry Allen and the upcoming Flash series...
QuoteJohn Wesley Shipp, who played Barry Allen/The Flash in the 1990s TV series, has been added to the cast of the CW/WBTV/DC pilot The Flash, which retells the story of scientist Allen (Grant Gustin) who, through a freak accident, is given the power of super speed. The producers are keeping Shipp's recurring character a secret.
If they're keeping it secret, then my money would be on Jay Garrick. He's old enough, it would be a great nod to his former role, and it would be the kind of thing they might want to keep a surprise.
Honestly, if it ISN'T Jay, I'll be shocked.
Unless he's Max Mercury. That would be cool too.
That's awesome news! I love the old skool flash series.
Quote from: Glitch Girl on February 12, 2014, 02:15:47 PM
Honestly, if it ISN'T Jay, I'll be shocked.
Unless he's Max Mercury. That would be cool too.
Now Max Mercury would definitely be cool.
Picked up watching this show a little while ago. So much fun! Marvel's "Agents of Sheild" should take note. THIS is how you do a Super Hero comic book show.
-MJB
Last night episode
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Oh and somethign funny I found and those who watched the episode will recognize it ^_^
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Oh and somethign funny I found and those who watched the episode will recognize it ^_^
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Yeah! I could so relate to that scene. LOL! This was yet another great episode IMO. I hope the same level of excellence can be kept in Flash. Speaking of which after this ep. of Arrow it seems we know another member of the Flash cast...for those of us what didn't know.
GAH!! Thanks to SEC basketball, I missed the last few minutes of the episode! I had to find out online that
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Laurel went to AA and that Slade showed up in the Queen home.
And I REALLY want to see that last one, but I won't be able to because my modem died last night and I won't have a new one until Monday (sob).
(posting from work BTW, shhh)
Loved what they did with Clock King! Definitely a great revamp of the character.
Arrow - Full Circle Extended Trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEZQUcjG6AY)
Some interesting name drops this latest episode.
The painters mentioned during the art tour: Swan and Kubert... very clever Arrow, very clever.
As for the two new characters... rumor has it that the Pied Piper will be joining Flash, and I have to say that the priest (Thomas Flynn) bears a lot of the signs of becoming that character. Or maybe not. Still, I like him.
And the other: he shares a name with the KGBeast, but we have seen him in the present so hard to say.
I'm think that Arrow is going to spin off a lot of TV shows. First you have the Flash and if they can, I can see Suicide Squad getting their own show too
Quote from: JeyNyce on March 06, 2014, 05:10:43 PM
I'm think that Arrow is going to spin off a lot of TV shows. First you have the Flash and if they can, I can see Suicide Squad getting their own show too
It would be awesome to see more DC Shows spring boarding from Arrow, I've noticed a few mentions of "Kord", and I would love to see a Blue Beetle spin-off, but that said, I really hope that Arrow maintains it's own identity, and doesn't
JUST become a launching point for other series.
I have no doubt that DC/WB would LOOOOOVE to have CW network become home to a whole group of DC Televerse shows beyond Arrow. I am extremely sure The Flash will be a success with all of the rumors I'm hearing about the pilot in production. Suicide Squad seems to be next in line for a team series in the near future. Gotham hopefully will do well even if it takes place much earlier in the Televerse.
- CQ
I think "Hourman" was also being discussed at one point ... I guess that would focus on the inventor of the "mirakuru"?
Personally, I'd like to see a Starman, Vigilante, The Question or Sandman Mystery Theatre series.
I'm looking forward to seeing how iZombie turn out on CW.
The discussed "Hourman" series is "Hourman In Name Only".
http://www.themarysue.com/cw-hourman-tv-show/
from the Hollywood Reporter
QuoteHourman centers on a brilliant-yet-troubled pharmaceutical analyst who discovers that the visions that have plagued him since childhood are actually glimpses of tragic events occurring one hour in the future. Determined to win back his ex-wife and son, he heroically prevents these tragedies from unfolding, finding both purpose and redemption along the way.
Surely the fact he works in pharmaceuticals would imply Miralco? Because seeing into the future (although it happens in the comic) is really played out as the basis for a TV series ... Tru Calling, The Dead Zone, etc.
Anyone else notice the voice cameo of
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How could we not? :D
I wonder how the rights for her would play out? I heard rumors that Nightwing is supposed to show up soon, so there are some cross-overness allowed. However, who knows what rights are tied up where.
Another questions
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Show of hands, who thinks Shrapnel is actually dead?
No one? Thought so.
No, once they established how easy it was to remove the device, and considering he's an explosives expert, I suspect we'll be seeing him again
There were a few gaping logic holes in this episode that kept me from enjoying it fully, but there was still a lot to like.
Deadshot is REALLY growing on me. I hope we see more of him later on down the line.
I actually read somewhere that it was always supposed to be just a cameo. Still I think it was pretty cool.
added bonus.
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Tara Strong did the line
Quote from: Glitch Girl on March 20, 2014, 02:38:09 PM
I wonder how the rights for her would play out? I heard rumors that Nightwing is supposed to show up soon, so there are some cross-overness allowed. However, who knows what rights are tied up where.
Simple. WB has them. All of them. They have for years. Strangely, DC seems to pretend that they don't and have to approve each and every use of a character. There are some characters inherited from other companies where its a bit more complicated than that, but in general, WB has all the rights, but WB and DC pretend that they do not for some wierd and overly complicated reason.
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Quote from: Glitch Girl on March 20, 2014, 02:38:09 PM
I wonder how the rights for her would play out? I heard rumors that Nightwing is supposed to show up soon, so there are some cross-overness allowed. However, who knows what rights are tied up where.
Simple. WB has them. All of them. They have for years. Strangely, DC seems to pretend that they don't and have to approve each and every use of a character. There are some characters inherited from other companies where its a bit more complicated than that, but in general, WB has all the rights, but WB and DC pretend that they do not for some wierd and overly complicated reason.
Sadly it's not that easy. I'm quite certain when Fox signed their contracts for Gotham there was some kind of TV control and/or exclusivity involved. But we'll see.
Arrow's show runner Guggenheim has said that Shrapnel is dead (take that for what it is), and that Harley was just a cameo at this point (again take it for what it is).
Harley cameo was quite cool!
Loved the Squad...specially Harley's little cameo. Perhaps the best show they've done even with the gapping holes. WHy can't DC write their comics like this?
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Loved the Squad...specially Harley's little cameo. Perhaps the best show they've done even with the gapping holes. WHy can't DC write their comics like this?
Because that requires they put effort in and we all know DC despises effort.
Yeah Cat, while it SHOULD be that simple because WB DOES own all the characters, they have no coherent plan for their use, so they have whored-err-I-mean-loaned them out piecemeal. That creates a confusing web of rights that do silly things like not allowing Aquaman to be used in a show because he might be in a movie (no he won't). If only they'd follow Marvel's example, but clearly the House of Ideas' success is just a flash in the pan and no indicator of the actual quality of their plans.
This thread constantly makes me sad because a lot of these things sound cool, but I just don't think I can enjoy them in the style of Arrow. :(
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Yeah Cat, while it SHOULD be that simple because WB DOES own all the characters, they have no coherent plan for their use, so they have whored-err-I-mean-loaned them out piecemeal. That creates a confusing web of rights that do silly things like not allowing Aquaman to be used in a show because he might be in a movie (no he won't). If only they'd follow Marvel's example, but clearly the House of Ideas' success is just a flash in the pan and no indicator of the actual quality of their plans.
This thread constantly makes me sad because a lot of these things sound cool, but I just don't think I can enjoy them in the style of Arrow. :(
Marvel's not really that different, at least in terms of movie rights. The X-Men and FF movie rights are with Fox and Spidey is with Sony. Of course the TV rights are in better shape (as far as I know). However I'm quite certain Marvel is just as careful with who gets put on their TV shows compared to their movies. The characters sent to Netflix, for example, wouldn't really have been able to support movies on their own at this point (except maybe Daredevil, but for him it's basically a redemption project).
But yeah Marvel has obviously done a better job with things.
Ehh, I don't think that's entirely fair Pod, as the deals that took the X-Men, Spidey, and Fantastic 4 out of house were made BEFORE the formation of the Marvel studio. That was a complete game changer for Marvel, and since then they have handled their properties much more intelligently.
As much as I hate to admit it (not too much, though, The Avengers was amazing), Marvel's done a better job of setting up their movies.
Which is why I badly want the Arrowverse to go for integration. Marvel's clearly dominating the movie audience, but if DC goes for the television route with well-written stories and a good world-building plan, the sting won't hurt as bad.
Also, hang on: with Harley in the Squad, does this mean Joker (and by extension Batman) already exist in this universe?
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Ehh, I don't think that's entirely fair Pod, as the deals that took the X-Men, Spidey, and Fantastic 4 out of house were made BEFORE the formation of the Marvel studio. That was a complete game changer for Marvel, and since then they have handled their properties much more intelligently.
Yeah that's fair.
Ultimately it really comes down to success though. If Iron Man hadn't done well things probably would have played out differently for Marvel Studios. And I think DC took a big hit when Green Lantern flopped.
Marvel set out from the beginning to gather all the rights together and create an integrated universe with crossovers happening everywhere. They couldn't help the deals they had already made (X-Men, Fantastic 4 and so forth) but they've controlled thing much more intelligently. Granted, no one had ever tried to do a large scale unified universe like this before, ever.
DC's pretty much flopped around. They do sometime get something good going, but there's no real unified plan or direction.
It's possible that Arrow may end up being a game changer, because a unified TV universe may be taking shape around it. If DC plays their cards right, it could go well for them, especially since Marvel has done relatively little on television as of late, Agents of SHIELD notwithstanding, so there's no real competition there.
Good points Cat, though I have trouble sharing everyone's enthusiasm for the "Arrowverse." If it grows into something more faithful to the comics and with less WB stench on it, I could be onboard, but I feel like they're starting out from such a crippled place that I'd rather these new shows NOT be unified. This just kills me, because I'll always be more of a DC fan than a Marvel fan. :(
Quote from: Podmark on March 22, 2014, 06:42:47 PM
Yeah that's fair.
Ultimately it really comes down to success though. If Iron Man hadn't done well things probably would have played out differently for Marvel Studios. And I think DC took a big hit when Green Lantern flopped.
Well Pod, that's true, but look at your two examples. Why did Iron Man succeed? Why did Green Lantern fail? They are two excellent examples of the collective approaches of their respective owners. Marvel has treated their properties as something valuable in their own right, so they have brought their characters to the big screen with great respect for the source material. Unsurprisingly to anyone who isn't a Hollywood suit (read: anyone who's not a close-minded moron without a sense of pattern-recognition), concepts and stories that had endured for 60+ years turned out to have appealing elements that resonated with audiences. WB, on the other hand, has no idea what comics are actually about and only treats their properties as resources to be mined for a quick buck. There's no understanding of what makes comics good or why their characters are beloved.
To be honest I've never really been sure why precisely Green Lantern failed. I've only seen it once and it didn't really do much for me. But the only things I can really say about are that I didn't find Ryan Reynolds to be an ideal Hal Jordan, and I wasn't happy with their choices of villains. Anyway all I was saying is that had GL been successful WB would have felt confidence in the people making that movie and the strength of their comics properties and they'd probably be a stronger place now. The Nolan Batman movies did well for them but now they're over. They probably consider Superman a success but not a perfect one, but at this point it's their only franchise to work with, thus MoS2 being used as jumping point for their DC universe. I worry they're trying to do too much too fast with that.
I'm with everyone else: Marvel Studios is excellent. Smart people making quality movies. I love it. So what made Iron Man a success? To me I always zeroed in on three things: Robert Downey Jr, a snappy script, and the suit (it looked very cool and real). It's a fun movie that's easy to enjoy. But I have to imagine if that movie hadn't done well for whatever reason we'd be living in a completely different world comic movies wise. A flop might have killed Marvel Studios right there, and I do wonder what might happen if one of their future movies fails. One of the core ones, if Guardians fails I think they'll just consider it a risk that doesn't pay off.
Bringing it back to TV properties and Arrow, as discussed above I'm curious how WB/DC will handle Gotham and Arrow. Past history makes me expect that they won't acknowledge each other. They're different networks and could even end up directly competing against each other. And with Gotham setup as a prequel there isn't a big drive to pursue crossovers between the two shows. Also I wonder how many super hero shows TV can really support, especially if they are interconnected. There's only so much prime time air space and CW or any other station isn't going to become a super hero only zone. Once shows start crossing networks keeping them connected becomes more difficult as you're dealing with different people and corporate entities. Anyway it's moot for now. We have Arrow, we'll probably have Flash. I'm not sure if I Zombie is supposed to be connected, and Hourman is that far along yet. Then there's Gotham and Constantine, and Marvel has SHIELD and it's upcoming Netflix's shows. That quite a bit of comics shows on TV.
Yeah, Benton if CW shows aren't your thing I can't see Flash or any other comics series they do working for you. Everything I've ever watched from that station has always had certain similarities here or there.
Well, I think there are many reasons that Green Lantern failed, not the least of which is the fact that the film was an uneven mess. It had good bits (some of the scenes on Oa), but it was practically incoherent in other parts. The love of the source material infuses the Marvel movies, and that was entirely missing from GL.
As for what might have happened, you're probably right Pod. The cinematic landscape would undoubtedly be a lot different if Iron Man had flopped. As you say though, Marvel is doing it right, so the success of Iron Man seems just a result of good judgment and faithfulness to the source material, rather than luck. (For clarity sake, I realize you're not arguing that the latter is the case)
Good points on the TV front. Yep, that's my biggest problem with these shows. I feel like I've seen all of it before.
I'll agree with Benton in that Green Lantern really didn't show much love for the source material, and I'll agree with Pod that Ryan Reynolds really wasn't the best casting choice, he just wasn't Hal Jordan. I think the costume is what really killed it for me though. I thought it was just a horrible, horrible rendition of it.
As for Arrow, I'm now a couple of episodes behind, but it's been the only WB series that's been able to keep my attention past the first season. The show to do that was Nikita, and that only kept my interest until about the middle of season two. Hopefully Arrow continues to blend story with action successfully, and I'm really hoping that the Flash doesn't disappoint.
Don't forget that the entire reason that Marvel Studios exists in the first place is that Marvel got sick and tired of exactly the sort of thing happening that DC still has happen now. They figured if they, the comic book people could control the movies themselves, they could create something that was both good and more faithful to the source material. They were right on both counts. It was still considered a huge risk at the time, but they firmly believed that what people loved about the comics would work just as well on film, whatever conventional wisdom may have to say about it. It was a pretty tough step to make, but it paid off, big time.
Perhaps the biggest problem with DC is that they are unwilling to take such a huge risk. Even Arrow, as successful as its been, was really only following the lead of Batman Begins, and is on a channel where low ratings are expected anyway. It's about as far away from a risk as you can get.
Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on March 23, 2014, 01:33:08 PM
Perhaps the biggest problem with DC is that they are unwilling to take such a huge risk. Even Arrow, as successful as its been, was really only following the lead of Batman Begins, and is on a channel where low ratings are expected anyway. It's about as far away from a risk as you can get.
Agreed. I find the show is a mix of the Nolan Batman films and a CW drama.
latest episode with the return of Huntress...
Wow, EVERYONE picked up the Idiot Ball this time, didn't they? After the last few episodes, this was a total letdown.
And if Detective Lance hasn't figured out about Ollie/Arrow before now, he is the WORST detective ever.
That's one of the best ways of putting it GG. Last night I watched it with my wife, it was her first episode ever, she liked it, but I had to explain that even though Oliver is the hero, sometimes he's just stupid. and how could Laurel not recognize her sister 2 inches from her face?
Weakest episode of the season for sure. Not feeling the show's Huntress, they went a bit overboard. And ya the episode requires a lot of suspension of disbelief on viewers' part.
Oh and
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"Don't ever call me Speedy!" lol
Ok. Good to see that it wasn't just met thinking the episode was a bit weak. The fight chirography also seemed a bit off from previous episodes.
I'm thinking that maybe things are heading towards a the reveal of Arrow's identity to the public.
Arrow - Inside Arrow: Deathstroke (http://www.dcuopost.com/multiverse-news/arrow-inside-arrow-deathstroke/)
Arrow - The Man Under the Hood Clip (http://www.dcuopost.com/multiverse-news/arrow-the-man-under-the-hood-clip/)
Anyone watching tonights episode?
But of course. :thumbup:
So thoughts on the last nights episode.I still didnt watch it cuz of time difference and stuff
I would like to know what is going to happen to Roy. Is he going to become Speedy, Arsenal or what? Maybe he'll become the Red Hood?
I believe I read, in an interview with the writers, that the intention was to se Roy as Arsenal.
I recently saw
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pictures of Summer Glau dressed as Ravager, meaning she is Slade's daughter?!?
I like the links to Central City, it gives the feel of a larger world.
Judging by his skills with a bow,Roy isnt becoming Red Arrow,my guess is Spedy.
Quote from: Spade on April 18, 2014, 05:05:31 AM
Judging by his skills with a bow,Roy isnt becoming Red Arrow,my guess is Speedy.
I'm pretty sure Arsenal is much more likely. Haven't seen the latest episode, but yeah... seems more his style
In episode 20 preview hes actually antagonist.I guess mirakuru messed him up.Watched ep 19. a little slow but still good.
Quote from: Thunder on April 17, 2014, 11:29:34 PM
I believe I read, in an interview with the writers, that the intention was to se Roy as Arsenal.
I recently sawSpoiler
pictures of Summer Glau dressed as Ravager, meaning she is Slade's daughter?!?
I like the links to Central City, it gives the feel of a larger world.
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I don't think she's actually going to be his daughter...more on the lines that to save her life, he used the miracuru in his blood stream.
Finally managed to watch the latest ep.
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Interesting take on Isabel, her being Queen's lover and now Ravager. Didn't realize at first that the 2 scientists are from the upcoming Flash, their inclusion felt a bit awkward IMO. Slade was as hardcase as ever, he is breaking Oliver pretty effectively.
One thing that bothered me a lot, was so many effing interruptions, like no one can finish a conversation without something happening. Its not the first time it happened in the show, but felt really annoying this time around. All in all a lot happened, doesn't look good for Oliver.
Minus the interruptions and Thea (totally see why she is upset and all, but she felt annoying more then anything at least to me) another strong episode.
Quote from: bat1987 on April 22, 2014, 11:31:58 AM
Finally managed to watch the latest ep.
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Interesting take on Isabel, her being Queen's lover and now Ravager. Didn't realize at first that the 2 scientists are from the upcoming Flash, their inclusion felt a bit awkward IMO. Slade was as hardcase as ever, he is breaking Oliver pretty effectively.
One thing that bothered me a lot, was so many effing interruptions, like no one can finish a conversation without something happening. Its not the first time it happened in the show, but felt really annoying this time around. All in all a lot happened, doesn't look good for Oliver.
Minus the interruptions and Thea (totally see why she is upset and all, but she felt annoying more then anything at least to me) another strong episode.
Actually Isabel is The Queen.
Dont like to double post,but last episode was a WHAM one definitly.Your thoughts?
It was, wasn't it?
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The whole Roy thing was ok, but something we've seen already on the show. So up until much later in the episode, I thought this was gonna be a filler. Boy was I wrong. A lot of good moments for Moira up until the very end. Ollie is now even more motivated to finish off Slade. I'm assuming Malcolm Merlyn is not gonna be happy about Slade killing Moira. Would be cool if he joined Ollie and co for the fight with Slade's army. Can't wait for what happens next!
Well that was quite the episode.
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Totally did not see Moira's death coming. Really stunning scene.
Also very interested in the reveal that Ollie has a kid. Perhaps Connor Hawke will make an appearance down the road.
Tonight,right?Everyone?
Aye, won't be able to watch it until friday myself. Will post here when I do.
Quote from: Spade on April 30, 2014, 07:18:04 PM
Tonight,right?Everyone?
Hope so, otherwise I won't be able to watch it. :thumbdown:
Quote from: Podmark on April 26, 2014, 01:58:11 AM
Well that was quite the episode.
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Totally did not see Moira's death coming. Really stunning scene.
Also very interested in the reveal that Ollie has a kid. Perhaps Connor Hawke will make an appearance down the road.
.....really? Ugh. :P Ohh well.
Seems like the series got back on track after that episode.
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Things seemed rushed at the end. It seemed to me that Moria was inviting death. Not so much to save her children but to keep some of her secrets hidden. That and may she knows she made a lot of mistakes. Nonetheless, I liked the character and i hated to see her go. It'll be interesting what Ollie thinks of her after he finds out about his child.
I don't see how the ending of this episode would be suitable revenge for Slade.
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He wanted Ollie to make a choice and he didnt' get that. Is his thirst to recreate that moment really satisfied?
Law:
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Personally I don't believe that anything would satisfy Slade in that moment. The choise wasn't about his satisfaction it was about hurting Ollie. Slade's mind is completely twisted by the mirakuru & the visions of Shadow are warping his emotions. Ollie committed ultimate evil & nothing outside of destroying EVERYTHING he holds dear will satisfy him.
Finaly watched ep 21.Frankly Summer Glau as Ravager is just :thumbdown: FAIL. :banghead:
Yeah... I agree. I could feel them building up to it, but it still felt so forced and ridiculous given what we know about the character.
Wow it's like only 2 episodes to go, lot of things need to happen.
Still hoping Merlyn shows up, would make a lot of sense.
Quote from: bat1987 on May 03, 2014, 06:41:40 PM
Wow it's like only 2 episodes to go, lot of things need to happen.
Still hoping Merlyn shows up, would make a lot of sense.
Yes,he will in the next episode.He and Ollie are gonna kinda.sort of team up.
Im guessing that the whole League subplot is left for season 3.
The last couple episodes can't come fast enough for me. Love this show.
Tell me about it :thumbup:
Ok that was intense!
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A lot of things go wrong for team Arrow and just when you think they solved a problem another one appears. Merlyn was hardcase ("I'm her father" moment was a bit corny though). The whole thing with Sarah was just weird and felt redundant, but everything else was top notch! Great build up for the finale all in all.
Also trailer for the finale!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJTgi7HDPdQ
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Such a packed episode. So much stuff went down. Can't wait for the finale!!
Arrow Season Two Extended Finale Promo! (http://www.dcuopost.com/multiverse-news/arrow-season-two-finale-promo/)
Deadshot & Suicide Squad, check
Nyssa & League of Assassins, check
Ninjas vs Super Soldiers, check
Deathstroke vs Green Arrow in a epic throw down, fracking check!
Damn,that is gona be good!
The last few episodes of this show have sure been exciting. I'm really enjoying it. Best the show's been since season 1 IMO, maybe ever.
Last episode kinda reminded me on Night of the Owls-just more like Night of the Slades ^_^
CW has renewed ARROW for season three (not like we had any doubts it wouldn't with it being so well written and one of it's highest rated shows) and it's pilot for FLASH was picked up for a FULL SEASON. Woot!!
From what I'm reading in various sources GOTHAM was picked up by FOX for a FULL season, but the main reason of it's existence is being part of a deal that was made between WB and FOX to resolve the television rights issue so the entire 1966 Batman series will finally see it's release on DVD/Blu-Ray hopefully by the 2014 Holiday Season.. since it's Batman Anniversary this year after all.
- CQ
I cant belive DC choose not to implement Gotham into Arrow-universe.Actually I cant belive they are not gonna make one TV universe.Arrow/Batman/Flash crossover would have zillion of viewers.Also I cant belive they pass out on Batman TV-show and made one about Gordon in style of Mentalist :doh:
Quote from: Spade on May 10, 2014, 08:14:29 AM
I cant belive DC choose not to implement Gotham into Arrow-universe.Actually I cant belive they are not gonna make one TV universe.Arrow/Batman/Flash crossover would have zillion of viewers.Also I cant belive they pass out on Batman TV-show and made one about Gordon in style of Mentalist :doh:
Would be cool if they could integrate Arrow and Flash with the upcoming Superman/Batman movie. I doubt it could happen but CW is partially owned by WB so who knows.
As for TV show based on Batman, I doubt they would ever go with that. They want to use him for big budget blockbuster movies, not TV.
Quote from: bat1987 on May 10, 2014, 08:35:38 AM
Quote from: Spade on May 10, 2014, 08:14:29 AM
I cant belive DC choose not to implement Gotham into Arrow-universe.Actually I cant belive they are not gonna make one TV universe.Arrow/Batman/Flash crossover would have zillion of viewers.Also I cant belive they pass out on Batman TV-show and made one about Gordon in style of Mentalist :doh:
Would be cool if they could integrate Arrow and Flash with the upcoming Superman/Batman movie. I doubt it could happen but CW is partially owned by WB so who knows.
As for TV show based on Batman, I doubt they would ever go with that. They want to use him for big budget blockbuster movies, not TV.
We kinda sidetracked.You mean the movie where Ben Afleck is Batman :banghead: please dont.Batman did have a Tv-show before,so it wouldnt be unprecedented or something.And it would definitly pull the ratings so I dont see why its impossible?If Gotham goes like Smallvile for Batman,maybe Ill watch it but police procedural set in Gotham doesnt sound so attractive,frankly.
Quote from: crimsonquill on May 09, 2014, 07:02:35 PM
From what I'm reading in various sources GOTHAM was picked up by FOX for a FULL season, but the main reason of it's existence is being part of a deal that was made between WB and FOX to resolve the television rights issue so the entire 1966 Batman series will finally see it's release on DVD/Blu-Ray hopefully by the 2014 Holiday Season.. since it's Batman Anniversary this year after all.
Now this has made my day. :D
I'm starting to believe that we might see Batman/Bruce Wayne in the Arrow/Flash shows but it will be a specific version of the character JUST for their own televerse. CW's hoping to build their own DC Universe little by little and getting to use Ra's Al Ghoul and mentioning Bludhaven several times is hints that plans are there for the shadow of the Batman to appear in Season Three but just how much depends on how the showrunners are allowed to get away with without stepping on FOX's toes with their own television rights for Batman. Once again, FOX owns the rights for the live-action Batman on television which is why they have been sitting on the Batman 1966 show for decades milking it's syndication rights to death. GOTHAM is the workaround to keep FOX's rights to the character alive while WB moves ahead with their movies and CW moves ahead with their televerse.
FOX chose to do the pre-Batman world because it allows them more flexibility for growth of characters if it lasts for the long run (7 to 10 seasons) and knowing that police/detective dramas are very big in the ratings. I guess you could say they decided to go for a Smallville approach to Batman so they maintain their own televerse without feeding into CW's shows (I really doubt FOX would enjoy pushing better ratings into Arrow/Flash especially if their show starts to get too boring among the die hard fans without "costumed heroes and villains").
- CQ
I don't see Gotham lasting that long, Fox likes to cancel good shows. Disappointed they cancelled Almost Human. :angry:
A Brief Tease of The Flash (http://www.dcuopost.com/multiverse-news/a-brief-tease-of-the-flash/)
I cant wait tommorow :wub:
Oh but you must wait....Hahahahahaahahahahahahaahahahaha! Ewwahahahahah! :D
I hope Felicity wont realy die tonight :unsure:
My bet is on Sarah, would open the spot for Laurel as Black Canary. And it just seems to be heading that way, but we'll wait and see I guess.
Awesome season ending episode! A bit off topic...but is it me or is there an old Deathstroke store where it was explained that he wore the eye patch to give his enemies a chance? Also, given modern knowledge of neuroscience it's highly possible that he can see even without the eye because the brain is one of the most advanced redundant systems in the world.
Anyway, I can't wait to see what happens next season.
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Was anyone fooled for even one moment that Ollie was in love with Felicity? I sure wasn't. It was too predictable for me. I know she has a crush on Ollie, but it was very clear that he didn't have the same feelings for her and have made sense given his track record with women.
Yeah it was a pretty good finale. Pretty close to what I was expecting.
Quote from: thalaw2 on May 16, 2014, 12:19:50 PM
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Was anyone fooled for even one moment that Ollie was in love with Felicity? I sure wasn't. It was too predictable for me. I know she has a crush on Ollie, but it was very clear that he didn't have the same feelings for her and have made sense given his track record with women.
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I almost was. But then I started thinking it through and knew it was a ploy. At first I thought it was just to get her to stay safe, but I figured it out by the time Deathstroke had her.
Also I really liked that Roy got a mask.
And Barrowman is a regular next year :)
Great season finale
What to expect in season 3(Wild Guessing):
-Slade being in Suicide squad
-Thea getting a masked identity/whole gone of to train with Malcolm thing kinda seals it.
-Laurel becoming Black Canary(WHY GOD WHY?!!)
-Ras al Ghul(Maybe?)
-Crossovers(with Flash and maybe some new TV-shows)
-Roy being Red Arrow
-Digg balancing his family and working for Arrow
-Maybe whole Oliver is a father subplot
Should Laurel and Ollie hook up again as a romantic relationship? Perhaps in a few years. But if they hook up next season then to me it seems Laurel has no self-respect. I know Ollie was her bf first, but he got caught fooling around with her sister and continued the relationship after returning. And he has an illegitimate son that was conceived in yet another side relationship. I know Laurel and Ollie getting back together would be art imitating life, but I hope the writers don't go there too soon.
I fell asleep before the end, extremely bummed. :banghead:
Quote from: Spade on May 17, 2014, 06:39:35 AM
Great season finale
What to expect in season 3(Wild Guessing):
-Slade being in Suicide squad
-Thea getting a masked identity/whole gone of to train with Malcolm thing kinda seals it.
-Laurel becoming Black Canary(WHY GOD WHY?!!)
-Ras al Ghul(Maybe?)
-Crossovers(with Flash and maybe some new TV-shows)
-Roy being Red Arrow
-Digg balancing his family and working for Arrow
-Maybe whole Oliver is a father subplot
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- Slade on the Suicide Squad, that would be cool, even better if they had their own show.
- Thea a villain under Merlyn's influence, that could have potential.
- I always thought that Grean Arrow and Black Canary were a good balance, but as for Laurel becoming the Black Canary, PLEASE...NO!!! :thumbdown:
- Ra's al Ghul, no opinion either way.
- Crossovers between shows, I don't know, this could be alright depending on the story, and hopefully they won't feel forced. Crossovers for the sake of crossovers, really don't work.
- Roy as Red Arrow, that could be alright, although from what little I saw, Roy did seem to have a lot of skill for someone who had so little training.
- As far as Diggle and his family life goes, I think it's just going to add more drama than is needed, which would take away from the action.
- Oliver as a father? As long as it's not of a teenager or something. Let his child be a child, it's a little too early to be thinking of a replacement.
Gotta admit while a good episode, it was not as good as I expected it to be.
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Slade vs Ollie went down as expected, I liked back to back sequence between the two timelines. Felicity introducing herself to Nyssa was awesome lol. Malcolm had way smaller role than I hoped for. We'll see where the whole Thea plot goes next season. The whole sequence with Diggle and co, stopping Waller was not as intense as I hoped it would be. The ending with Quentin having internal bleeding was random IMO. Oh and Roy had a mask! Hopefully he gets a full costume next season.
Interesting how Slade still hated Ollie, even without Mirakuru. We finally know how Waller and Ollie first met. We'll see how that goes.
All in all an OK ending to a trully great season. Looking forward to season 3
Don't know if anyone is interested or not, but Walmart has Season 1 on DVD for $15.00.
Flash is coming out in june,so we can kill some time until season 3 :cool:
The one thing I think the next season will have happening is a return to the dangling plot thread of H.I.V.E. involving Diggle. If they don't return to that, I really don't see them ever returning to it.
Wonder what new heroes and villans will be introduced?And who of the old ones will return?
I'm expecting Ra's al Ghul to play a role. And I'd expect more Suicide Squad. Probably a Flash crossover or two. I think I read the creators saying that things will be a little different next year, without a big bad for the whole season.
And yes Laurel will become the Canary one day. I've read a number of quotes about that, mostly from Katie Cassidy.
I've also heard that they're planning to return to the baby plot next year.
Quote from: Podmark on May 27, 2014, 11:46:54 PM
I'm expecting Ra's al Ghul to play a role. And I'd expect more Suicide Squad. Probably a Flash crossover or two. I think I read the creators saying that things will be a little different next year, without a big bad for the whole season.
And yes Laurel will become the Canary one day. I've read a number of quotes about that, mostly from Katie Cassidy.
I've also heard that they're planning to return to the baby plot next year.
I heard about Laurel,but I still dont like it.
So I finally signed up for Hulu to catch up on 24: Live Another Day and found that it looks like they are starting to stream Season 2 of Arrow again! Guess I have a reason to go beyond the trial offer....
I am hoping they do something similar with SHIELD... but with the box set scheduled to come out in September I doubt it.
We watched The first episode of the season this morning and can't wait to see where the story went....
Still waiting for season 3.
http://www.newsarama.com/21478-arrow-casts-katana-for-season-3.html
Katana just got casted, Outsider War adaption on the works perhaps?
Well, Brian Markov already exists on the show ... so that's two Outsiders. I guess Black Lightning and Metamorpho could theoretically be created in The Flash?
Yep,saw it.Cool.
On a different note:the story where Deatshot comes back to his home and defends it from gangs,and then everyone takes his side when Green Arrow confronts him?
That kinda fits in the tone of the show,that will probably be adapted once,IMO.
There are plenty of cool Green Arrow stories from the comics they could do ... it's whether they can be bothered. Every Arrow episode is divided between flashbacks, time given to the multitude of side characters, etc, I think it must make juggling the story threads difficult at times.
I'd really like to see them do Alan Moore's "Night Olympics" Green Arrow story or some of the Mike Grell stories from the first 40 issues of his run, but I don't think those are sexy enough storylines for the writers to consider.
I understand Katana will feature in the Hong Kong flashbacks. No word yet if she'll appear in the present.
I'm exciting to see what Devon Aoki brings to the role. Loved her in Sin City.
So, they've just cast Count Vertigo ... again. :blink: Peter Stormare is playing "Werner Zytle" (the name of Count Vertigo from the New 52 comics) ... I'm assuming this Count Vertigo will eventually have super powers like in the comics.
Looks like Ray Palmer is coming to Starling City and it's an actor who played a Dc character before.
http://tvline.com/2014/07/07/arrow-brandon-routh-the-atom-season-3/ (http://tvline.com/2014/07/07/arrow-brandon-routh-the-atom-season-3/)
Hmm....interesting. He could make a pretty decent Ray Palmer, though it'd be nice if they'd dye his hair.
^Not that debate again...
Brandon Routh strikes me as a more "nerdy" inventor type than a Man of Steel. This may be a good fit for him. Is the Atom going to hitch a ride on an arrow for special missions?
He's a good actor who did quite a good job on Chuck. I imagine this will work out well.
QuoteAn unparalleled scientist and inventor, Ray will play an unexpected role in the lives of Oliver and (rumored love interest) Felicity as the new owner of Queen Consolidated. Palmer's plans for Queen Consolidated's Applied Sciences Division will be shrouded in mystery.
It's a funny fit for The Atom. If anyone had taken over Queen Consolidated and romanced Felicity, I would have thought Ted Kord would have been a better character ... it would have been cool to see a more comedic, gizmo-using vigilante too. Also, I think the show already mentioned Ray Palmer being together with Jean Loring, as well as Jean being played by an older actress.
That said, Atom is a great character and Routh is a good actor ... it will be interesting to see how it plays out on the show.
Yeah, I think he's a good fit for the role. I didn't watch Chuck, but I could see him being good as Ray.
Wait, he's supposed to be a businessman and the owner of the company? That's...more than a little asinine. That's never been Ray's kind of thing. He's a research scientist.
For some reason I thought Ray Palmer would be older...
At least he's not a teenager with issues...
Quote from: BentonGrey on July 08, 2014, 04:36:31 AM
At least he's not a teenager with issues...
Teenagers with issues have always made better superheroes than adults without.
Quote from: BWPS on July 08, 2014, 04:50:46 AM
Quote from: BentonGrey on July 08, 2014, 04:36:31 AM
At least he's not a teenager with issues...
Teenagers with issues have always made better superheroes than adults without.
I think that's entirely a matter of opinion. ;) Variety is the spice of life, BWPS, and for every Spider-Man there should be a Captain America. :D
Since all of the characters who have appeared on "Arrow" are just the show's interpretations of their comic book counterparts, I don't think Ray being a businessman as well as a scientist is a deal breaker. Ted Kord would have slotted in more easily, but I'm interested in seeing what they do with Ray. Hopefully they give him his shrinking powers and bounce him between "Arrow" and "The Flash" for some recurring guest team-up action.
As for his age, well, he's been both an adult and a teenage superhero leading the Teen Titans before ...
This whole thing reminds me of "Armageddon 2001"-
DC released a vague teaser - "One of our heroes goes bad in the future. Based on this vague description, you'll never guess who." And when pretty much everyone guessed Captain Atom immediately, they changed it- just so they could be like "Nope, you're wrong."
Flash forward to 2014- Arrow producers put out a vague teaser "Another DC character is coming to Arrow..based on this vague description, you'll never guess who." And when pretty much everyone guessed Ted Kord immediately, they changed it - just so they could be like "Nope you're wrong".
That said, I like Routh, and The Atom is one of my favorite characters; and between Arrow and The Flash, these folks have built up a LOT of credit with me, so I'm looking forward to this.
I wonder how will they handle shrinking?
Maybe they don't intend to show the shrinking on Arrow. It looks like they're sticking with a more realistic approach for Arrow (with minor hiccups of reality with mirakiru, some trick arrows, and such). After all, Barry is still just a coma victim there. He might simply be Ray Palmer there to preserve the realistic tone of the show while guest starring as both Ray and the Atom on The Flash. Now, that is pure speculation. They could always handle it some other way.
First Look at Arsenal For Season 3 of Arrow! (http://www.dcuopost.com/multiverse-news/first-look-at-arsenal-for-season-3-of-arrow/)
Love the Arsenal costume design, looks better than Green Arrow. I hope Ollie is getting an upgrade. ^_^
Awesome
Looks pretty sweet. I've also read that Sarah is returning early in the season.
Looks fantastic. As for Ollie I'd happy if they call him Green Arrow already!
I think it's high time they gave Ollie his beard, Ollie without a beard is like Superman without an S Curl, or Batman without an endearing chim.
(http://scifipulse.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/stephen-amell.jpg)
^Ummm, he's had a beard since Season 1. It's not as long as the classic comics one, sure, but it's about a million times better than the clean shaven punk in the current comics DC keeps calling Green Arrow. Bat's point about actually calling him Green Arrow at least is valid from the standpoint that I'm sick of him just being "that dude who wears a hood."
I hate long beards, people only grow them when they're depressed and have given up on life. His beard now looks great.
Roy's costume looks good though. Even though I think it's ridiculous that Ollie got off the island and just never mentioned it, I'm excited to see what happens and also what kind of villains we see in season 3. And I hope he finally realizes that Felicity is his true love.
This past season he's been calling himself the arrow. Better than the hood... Almost there. I think once Barry starts using the name the flash, Ollie might be called the green arrow... That may also desperate him from Roy too, whom I presume will use red arrows
Really like this show. Season 2 was great and looking forward to the new season especially with the planned Flash crossover.
Arrow - Season 3 First Look! (http://www.dcuopost.com/multiverse-news/arrow-season-3-first-look/)
Arsenal looks awesome. Looking forward to seeing that in the show.
Yeah....... now that I thougt about it more, the city's famous rich guy and their vigilantr protector both getting a full beard is pretty dumb
ARROW Season 3 Preview — with Ra's al Ghul
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKE36sL6jKc
It's at the very end
Ooooooooh! Oooh!
It's weird that "Arrow" can use Ras Al Ghul but not Blue Beetle (whom The Atom is replacing on the show ... which explains why Ray Palmer is a tech businessman now).
However, it's plain cool that that Wildcat is appearing on the show:
QuoteAdditionally, the Arrow writers revealed one more bit of info: Ted Grant, aka Wildcat, will also be making his small screen debut on Arrow this season. While, we don't know exactly how he'll play into the show quite yet, one of the executive producers did tease that he will have a little interaction with Laurel.
http://au.ign.com/articles/2014/07/27/sdcc-2014-ras-al-ghul-and-wildcat-coming-to-arrow (http://au.ign.com/articles/2014/07/27/sdcc-2014-ras-al-ghul-and-wildcat-coming-to-arrow)
Matt Ward Joins The Cast of Arrow! (http://www.dcuopost.com/multiverse-news/matt-ward-joins-the-cast-of-arrow/)
Rila Fukushima Joins Arrow (http://www.dcuopost.com/multiverse-news/rila-fukushima-joins-arrow/)
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Rila Fukushima Joins Arrow (http://www.dcuopost.com/multiverse-news/rila-fukushima-joins-arrow/)
Gotta say that I am a bit bummed that things didn't work out with Devon Aoki, I think she would have made a great addition to the cast.
Amy Gumenick Joins Arrow Cast (http://www.dcuopost.com/multiverse-news/amy-gumenick-joins-arrow-cast/)
Hey guys, I'm super late to the party, but I got Netflix in February and didn't want to catch up until closer to the start of the new season.
I'm about half way through the first season and I'm pretty impressed. Actually really impressed. You guys were right.
Slightly disappointed on the casting decisions... IMO, Det. Lance looks more like how I would expect Merlyn to look and Deathstroke looks the size of Wolverine. Other than that, it's a REALLY good show and not just a comicbook/superhero show.
FYI, season's 2 on Netflix same day of the premiere. October 8th.
Arrow season 3...... All I can say is WOW! Nice way to start the season :thumbup:
Yup, what a great way to start a season!
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Brandon Routh was pretty great in his role, his character is pretty cool, and I wouldn't mind if they shipped him back and forth between this and the Flash.
Roy? Amazing costume, and his stuntman is incredible, it's cool that he has a different fighting style than Ollie.
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Black Canary? Wow! I can't believe they did that.
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Has anybody notice they change the design of the arrow in the title? I wonder what it means?
Quote from: JeyNyce on October 10, 2014, 08:01:41 PM
Has anybody notice they change the design of the arrow in the title? I wonder what it means?
I did notice. I thought maybe it's because the flashbacks are in Hong Kong now??
I thought the premiere was good. Roy was cool, as was Routh.
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I don't like how Sarah was killed at the end.
It's not that she was killed, I've been expecting her to die since she was introduced, but the flow of the show seems very choppy the way they handled it:
Sarah leaves at the end of Season 2 with no indication we'd see her again any time soon, then briefly reappears in the next immediate episode, then is killed. It just feels like they couldn't get rid of fast enough. As I said poor flow.
I agree with Podmark.
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I was really turned off about the Felicity and Ollie dating angle. I know there is some attraction between the two, but dating seemed childish and unnecessary for the two characters. Also, I had hopped Felicity would be smart enough to know that OQ is terrible with the ladies and steer clear of anything more than an office fling. In fact, I would have been more satisfied if they just had a fling instead of trying a serious romance. I was nearly going to stop watching the show after Diggle suggested that OQ date Felicity...sickening!
I agree and disagree with both of you guys. Yeah, you're right, but IMO, I think they
had to do things that way.
Podmark,
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Yeah, I agree they could have handled it better. It just seemed really arbitrary to have her survive a whole season, just to bring her back in essentially a cameo to kill her. The thing is, whether I agree with it or not, like most episodes, particularly the premiere episodes, they needed a hook, an attention grabbing moment to kind of sorta flip the script so to speak. But I get where you're coming from though.
thelaw,
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Yeah, Ollie and Felicity doesn't really work for me or the show. THAT is the reason why the Deathstroke trick worked so well to me. But throughout the series, Ollie has gone after the girls with an edge. If not the out-right "badgirl" at least women that are tough. Helena, Sarah, Shado, McKenna, Isabel. Even the most vanilla of women he's been associated with, Laurel, they never really hook up, but she's a LOT tough than Felicity. Not a knock on Felicity, but that's the flow of the character and that's not Felicity.
However... I do think they had to address it. In some form or fashion, it was going to come up and perhaps the trick on Deathstroke wasn't enough, but would she be Friendzoned without any sort of acknowledgment. It wouldn't make sense for the show to put them together and have Felicity be the "damsel" especially when it'd be unnecessary. Every female character does not have to be the love interest and that's what it seems like they want to do with this show. But again, I think it had to be addressed and shown as to why it ain't gonna happen or unsuspecting viewers would be expecting it for the next 2-3 seasons.
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Ra's finally appeared at the end of this episode. Not sure what to think of him. Need to see more. Sounds good, but looks more like Lord Baeilish than Ra's. John Barrowman is as cool as always.
So this week's episode was very Felicity-focused, and I for one enjoyed the heck out of it.
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Seeing her past was neat (though how it tied into the present story oh-so-predictable), and seeing her mother making her squirm was adorable. It really does show how some people, both in real life and in fiction, can act very different when they squabble with their family members.
As fun as this episode is though, I feel it will likely be eclipsed by its end reveal. The people I've watched Arrow with have been trying to figure out who killed Sara week after week and I think it's safe to say NONE of us saw that coming! (It was Roy, and he seems to be have coerced into doing it) Definitely looking forward to an explanation on that one.
Since my posting about Arrow has been sporadic I should just add: I agree that John Barrowman is cool as always (though I don't entirely buy that he's "been everywhere"), Roy's costume is still awesome but as a character he's under used so far (I can't recall, have we gotten his superhero name even once?) and thank the stars they've given Thea and Laurel something interesting to do this year! Brandon Routh's character seems pretty cool so far. As for Ra's I don't want to jump to conclusions; I need more info.
I suppose this is spoiler material that anyone could have saw coming. But since it's a little later in the season...
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Laurel as the BLACK CANARY
http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/11/12/arrow-first-photos-of-laurel-lance-katie-cassidy-as-black-canary
Sooo many buckles.
I think the costume looks okay, I just dislike Laurel. She's been so poorly written over the course of three seasons that I groan inwardly during her scenes.
Okay, I got a few complaints. Not about the episode specifically, but with Ted Grant/Wildcat. J.R. Ramirez is my age, but he looks 5-10 years younger. He certainly doesn't look older than 35. Now, I'm a pretty hue boxing fan, but even if you're not, anyone who's involved in a professional sport on a world class level, if your going to be a retired champion you're likely in your mid to late 30. And you look it. For him to also have been a vigilante for six years, he looks REALLY fresh. A lot of boxing is opportunity. You're going to have to be really good and likely be a contender for a fair amount of time. Even when you get to the championship level those fights take years of jockeying and promoting and rematches and rubber matches that a convincing championship fighter is EASILY in his 30s. Likely older. Moreover, Ramirez is supposed to play a heavyweight. He looks, at best a light-heavy. Most heavyweights even those that rely on speed still bulk up to for the sake of power. That is if they don't go the super-heavyweight route.
I know that's a lot but I would have imagined someone like Diggle's size and age would have been more believable.
I'm glad that I'm not the only one who notice this about Ted. They couldn't an older guy to play him? It would have been more believable. I'm think they are keeping him young because he may go back out to fight crime again, who knows.....
Best line ever from this episode....
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Don't you abandon me!
Quote from: Starman on November 13, 2014, 12:21:10 AM
Sooo many buckles.
I think the costume looks okay, I just dislike Laurel. She's been so poorly written over the course of three seasons that I groan inwardly during her scenes.
A bit over designed, but I've come to expect that from DC.
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Otherwise, yeah, they killed off the wrong sister.
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In my headcanon, Nissa stole the body and took it to the nearest Lazarus Pit.
That said, I like it.
And I'm surprised no one has mentioned the boxing glove arrow in the latest episode. I got a giggle out of that.
I did catch that. It was cute.
I understand the necessity for Wildcat to be a young, handsome dude (since this is a CW show) but yeah, I really would have preferred it if he was at least in his 40s though. There's nothing wrong with Laurel having a older love interest.
I'm interested to see how they do Dr Midnight, considering he actually did have a romantic history with Black Canary in the comics.
I hope they give Arsenal more weapons, or the name doesn't really make sense. Glad he at least has some hand to hand weapons, unlike Arrow. Using the bow in hand to hand is NOT a good idea.
Do not like Laurel training as a boxer, if its leading up to the obvious... (Spoiler below about something that hasn't happened yet, but can be seen coming a mile away)
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If Laurel is going to be the new Canary - and if you're reading this, you probably don't care that there are already pictures out of her in costume (Don't like her mask) - then Boxing is a lousy choice for her to use in combat, considering the type of enemies Team Arrow faces. Its actually a lousy choice for a crimefighter, period, if they're only trained in one style. I hope Oliver and/or Roy start training her. Wouldn't want to see her face a League of Assassins member as a boxer....
I love everything about the show but I'd really prefer less close combat, and more shooting of arrows. Granted it ends the fights too quickly so I understand the reasoning but I just love seeing people get shot with arrows even if it is just in the arm or leg. Maybe he could have some kind of arrow that's like a boxing glove but not actually.
I'm just glad we actually did get a boxing glove arrow already. If you count sticking a boxing glove on the end of an arrow a boxing glove arrow.....
He could use some sort of impact arrows with a non-lethal material that stuns the target like rubber bullets for the tip as an alternative.
Ok so mid season finale
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Last fight is what made this episode for me. Didn't like Ra's when I first saw him earlier this season, but he really had a presence here. I guess Ollie will take a trip to a Lazarus Pit since they obviously exist here (Ra's did say he wasn't challenged for 67 years), and there really isn't any other way to recover from all that. Laurel not telling her father about Sarah is getting tiring at this point. I get why she is doing that but still. Also thought it was kinda cheap that Thea was brain washed into killing Sarah. Would have been much more intriguing if she did it because Merlyn convinced her it was the right thing to do. Oh ya, Ray Palmer also showed the ATOM concept to Felicity (her reaction to helping him was hilarious).
They packed quite a lot of stuff here all in all. While I thought Flash mid season finale was better, this was still really good and looking forward to January ofc.
I agree that Ra's was a lot cooler in this episode. Hadn't been crazy about the actor , but think he's doing well with the role now.
Really enjoyed the last two episodes. Been a pretty strong season all around.
Flash crossover was a lot of fun. As for the finale:
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I'd actually called Thea being the killer from the beginning, but I didn't see the brainwashing twist coming. On one hand that's a good move, keeps Thea viable as a good guy, but it would have been more dramatic if she had done it willingly and Malcolm could have been less obviously using her.
I agree a trip to a Lazarus pit is coming. I figure Nyssa or Malcolm will be responsible for saving him.
Well,Laurel becoming Black Canary isnt something im looking forward to.
Not sure if somebody commented this already,but Ras mentions he hasnt been challenged in 67 years.Now obvious question: Lazarus pit,or its a legacy name like in Dark Knight?
Since super powers now exist in that universe, probably Lazarus Pit.
Also, I fully Expect the sister to become part of the hero team by the end of the season, possibly as Speedy, since she's already called that.
Honestly, I wish they had kept Sara around and killed off Laurel. I don't like the way Laurel has been written as of late. Also, her using boxing as Canary doesn't make sense. Hopefully Oliver or Roy or even Diggle (or any combination of the three) will give in and train her. Because if she's just a boxer, she should be toast if she faces certain enemies. Canary vs. Bronze Tiger, for example. Or Deathstroke if he ever escapes.
The only way I see Thea becoming a hero is if she realizes that Malcolm is a monster and that Oliver has been trying to protect her by not letting her know that he is Arrow. If she finds out what Malcolm did, there will be world class hell to pay.
And yes, I'd say Lazarus Pit. Because Oliver is probably going to end up in one.
Also, I'm following Stephen Amell on Facebook, and he posts some pretty cool stuff occasionally.
Thea's named after the female Speedy (Thea sounds like Mia, plus Mom Queen's maiden name is Mia's last name), so it's obvious what's going to happen with her, plus she's already trained and things are perfectly set up for her to find out what Malcom has done. Yeah, she'll be joining the heroes sooner or later. My guess it right as the end of the season.
Yeah, but I seriously doubt Oliver is going to allow her to help him (as much as he's resisting Laurel's involvement, can you imagine how he'd react to Thea trying to get into the action?) so I suspect she'll be going it solo the same way Roy did for awhile.
Also:
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Since we're talking the Lazarus pit, my roommate and I have been bandying about a theory about what Malcolm Merlyn's endgame is. His use of Thea, his daughter, to kill Canary is out of character... particularly given how much of an issue he's made about her being the only family he has left. It just seems like an odd risk to take... unless he's trying to get something more out of it. I think setting up Oliver was actually his way of gaining access to the Lazarus Pit, in order to resurrect someone else... someone who just happened to have a rather bizarre cameo this season for seemingly no reason.
About Thea:
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I'm actually expecting her to die by season's end. Just getting that vibe, plus the show has really struggled with how to use the character for much of it's run, I can see them finally putting a pin in it.
Laurel may start as a boxer but I doubt that's where it ends. Once she finally gets Oliver's acceptance she'll get some real training. Much like Roy.
And Tomato you may be on the right track.
Also been re-watching season one lately, really loved that first season. It's like something straight out of my own imagination. The show lost something from those early days, not quite sure what, maybe a civilian life as everyone Ollie knows is now somehow involved in the hero/villain side of the series.
I doubt Thea will die...they seem to be prepping her to become...wait for it...Speedy!
Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on December 31, 2014, 09:19:16 PM
Thea's named after the female Speedy (Thea sounds like Mia, plus Mom Queen's maiden name is Mia's last name), so it's obvious what's going to happen with her, plus she's already trained and things are perfectly set up for her to find out what Malcom has done. Yeah, she'll be joining the heroes sooner or later. My guess it right as the end of the season.
Remember, when she went to Corto Maltese, she was going by Mia too. So combine that with the fact that she isn't REALLY a Queen, I could see her calling herself Mia Dearden by end of the year.
New CWs animated series Vixen will be set in the Arrow-verse.There is also a possibility that TNTs Titans and CBS Supergirl will also be in the same universe.
Titans, no, but part of the deal to make Supergirl was that the character could make crossovers. CBS is part owner of CW, you see.
I doubt very much that anybody is surprised, but word is, this show just go renewed for another season. I also expect more crossovers with Flash in the future, given that the crossovers for both shows broke the rating records for both shows.
I said I heard it was possible,not that its sure.
Crossovers really lived up to the expectation,and I pretty sure we will see more of them.
And now it's official--Flash and Arrow will have at least one crossover every season from now on.
There was no Lazarus pit,oh well...
Second part of the Brick trilogy was okey.Laurel is still bad as Black Canary,and I dont think thats gonna change...
Also Bell Rev does exist in this setting,apparently.
Yeah, she's kind of underwhelming. I felt kinda bad watching this episode because I actually enjoyed the scenes where she was using the voice algorithim thing more than others because Caity Lotz's delivery is so much better than Katie Cassidy's. And to be fair, there's nothing inherently wrong with her performance... it's just that she doesn't really fit the role they hired her for. That said, she IS believeable as someone trying to fill the boots of someone who outclasses her in every way... so it's not a total loss. We're seeing Laurel grow into the role of Canary as much as we're seeing the actress grow into her role, which is good enough for now.
Word is, there is a Lazarus Pit set, we just haven't seen it yet.
Its always a possibility.I was thinking,If Ras al Ghul hasnt been chalenged for 68 years,then Batman hasnt started his carrier yet.
Quote from: Spade on January 30, 2015, 06:48:16 AM
Its always a possibility. I was thinking, if Ra's al Ghul hasn't been challenged for 68 years, then Batman hasn't started his career yet.
Or the two just haven't come into conflict yet. I don't know how it is in the n52 continuity, but in the old continuity it was years (decades-ish, even) before Ra's first started to match wits with Bruce Wayne. Assuming WB gets off their "No Batman in other TV shows" nonsense, the door is still open to Batman being around in the world somewhere.
We do know Bludhaven exists,so there is probably Gotham.
Now that a fourth season of Arrow will come as well as additional crossovers with The Flash, how many more major(or minor Leaguers) DC characters can we expect to see appear? Question? Conner Hawke? Hal Jordan even?
Question was hinted for season 2,so he was probably moved up.Connor is 7-8 years old now.Everything is possible for others,I guess.
Quote from: Spade on February 02, 2015, 10:34:47 AM
Question was hinted for season 2,so he was probably moved up.Connor is 7-8 years old now.Everything is possible for others,I guess.
Conner is currently in Central City with his mother. He's probably way too young to be part of the show.
I'm still hoping to see Wally West. Anything is possible with time travel. I realize it would be a rather strange fit, but the writers have given me reason to trust that it can be pulled off as awesomeness.
I know most of Batmans rouges are now tied to Gotham,but I think Lock-Up would fit nicely into Arrow.
Folks have been dying to get a peak at ATOM's Armor, well... Entertainment Weekly got the exclusive photo of it:
http://www.ew.com/article/2015/02/03/arrow-first-look-brandon-routh-suits-atom (http://www.ew.com/article/2015/02/03/arrow-first-look-brandon-routh-suits-atom)
What do you all think?
It looks like Rollerball. What's the purpose of the armour? Is he going to shrink or does it just give him increased strength, like an exo-skeleton?
Look alright, but makes me think that purposely made him look vaguely like the new Ant-Man costume.
Is that a codpiece?
That Chinese stealth armor from Fallout 3,now looks good.
It seems now that every hero's costume is either armor based or tight leather. Would you prefer Atom with a tight red & blue leather outfit?
They used an armor from Fallout 3 as a placeholder for the actual design,thats all I was saying.
Armor is okey,just maybe the visor is a little off.
A lott of twists in the latest episode.Malcolm is making a heel-face turn,or is he?
Lots of stuff happened
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The street fight was so Dark Knight Rises lol. Ollie's return seemed kinda rushed. Also would have preferred if they actually explained how he survived in the first place instead of just ta-dah!-he's alive and well. I'm ok without it but still. I liked Malcolm this week, nice character growth. Wish Wildcat had a better costume, still was good to see him (he got owned though). As for Felicity, dunno she's way too narrow minded IMO. Oliver is not gonna be bff with Merlyn, he's just means to and end.
Thought IGN's summary for this episode was pretty funny- "Malcolm in the middle".
Still enjoying the show, but I just want to add one thing: Regardless of whether or not he was any good as Juggernaut, Vinnie Jones makes a great mob boss. Reminded me a bit of Jason Stathem. I honestly would have been fine if they cast him as the Kingpin.
Malcolm was awesome. I want to see more of him. He's the only real father figure character now. The show has a serious lack of elders.
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I wanted to see Malcome go upside Brick's head a bit more than he did...not kill him, but I wanted to see a fight.
I agree that Ollie came back too soon. I wanted to see more of what the team could do without him. There was some great development going on.
Quote from: thalaw2 on February 10, 2015, 01:04:29 PM
I agree that Ollie came back too soon. I wanted to see more of what the team could do without him. There was some great development going on.
This episode dealt with Ollie dealing with said development. It resulted in
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Ollie decides that Team Arrow can handle things without him and leaves the city with Thea to go training, so we'll continue to see the team without Ollie for a while yet.
Between the increasingly convoluted plotline, the almost anime-esque shipping, and the Laurel character / Katie Cassidy's acting, this show is losing me :(
We had Bat-family,we had Spider-family,now meet Arrow-FAMILY.
Doug Jones will be playing Deathbolt.Expect his debut in episode 19.
Quote from: Starman on February 13, 2015, 12:20:54 AM
Between the increasingly convoluted plotline, the almost anime-esque shipping, and the Laurel character / Katie Cassidy's acting, this show is losing me :(
Previous season was better IMO. It's still a good show, but ya, lots of weird stuff going on.
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They are again in the Batman territory with the"will you be my heir" thing. Not a fan of that
I don't understand why there wasn't a Batman TV show. They are taking everything of Batman and putting Green Arrow in it. Some times I think it may have been better to just give GA Batman's history in the comics.
I agree that this last episode went waayyy into Batman territory. But this was a very good Batman storyline and it's likely that there will not be a Batman TV series for a long time. Also, it doesn't exactly exclude this from happening in a Bats series. I still like the show a lot and I just wish the subplots were better.
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I haven't read an ATOM comic for a very long time. Does he fly around like that now? No more catching air currents and stuff?
The CW shows riff heavily on superhero films... Arrow with Nolan's Batman films, The Flash with Spiderman, now The Atom with Iron Man.
As a comic fan, it's strange watching the show ripping off storylines from Batman comics.
Anyone read season 2.5?
If not,you should,its great.To avoid spoilers,im gona be short here.It finishes the Church of Blood storyline and sets up the Suicide Squad for season 3.
I've been reading Season 2.5 and have really enjoyed it. It was nice to see the return of a certain character this week.
Suicide Squad is gonna be a lott different.
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Basicly only Deadshot is still around.
I was actually wondering what happend to
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Helena
Killing
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Bronze Tiger
off screen and replacing him with Cupid = disappointing. I dislike Cupid intensely ... lame comic character, way too much attention on "Arrow" purely due to her creator.
Its on screen in 2.5 like I said.There is even a funeral,kinda touching.
I think Slade and Boomerang will also be in the new squad.
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That was dumb. That was a great character and wasn't even fully develop yet in the show.
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Lazarus Pit confirmed
Also season 2.5 has Lock-Up.Called that one long time ago. :thumbup:
Is Ray Palmer the ATOM or Iron Man? This show is confusing.
^My thoughts exactly.
And apparently Suicide Squad is only 2 people.
Guys guys guys, you have to understand. It's far more realistic that Ray Palmer built a flying exoskeleton that lets him fire lasers at people, than it is to say he discovered a compound that lets him shrink down to microscopic size. For Ray Palmer to do something as far-fetched as shrink down would be much too unbelievable in a show that regularly features the hero stopping bad guys using a bow and arrow, and whose spin-off is about a superhero who can travel through time by running really fast.
But yeah, it's totally obvious that this character was supposed to be Ted Kord. And while I do like the character (Routh is so much better here than as Superman), I wish they'd take advantage of the fact that this is the Atom, and stop trying to make him into a poor man's Blue Beetle.
And they probably thought power armor would be cooler then shrinking.But still...
Anyway,how many people learned that Oliver is Arrow?20-30?
This is what they should do:
1 - Bring Ted in and let Ray give him the armor. Ted modified it, slim it down and becomes the Blue Beetle or just Beetle, since Green Arrow is just The Arrow.
2 - Since Flash is learning to time travel, bring in Booster Gold, who also have a future version of Ray's armor
3 - Let Ray continue to be a scientist and then later on discover the power to shrink.
Quote from: JeyNyce on March 27, 2015, 01:22:34 PM
This is what they should do:
1 - Bring Ted in and let Ray give him the armor. Ted modified it, slim it down and becomes the Blue Beetle or just Beetle, since Green Arrow is just The Arrow.
2 - Since Flash is learning to time travel, bring in Booster Gold, who also have a future version of Ray's armor
3 - Let Ray continue to be a scientist and then later on discover the power to shrink.
Booster will appear in the new team based spinoff according to KTV.
They can't use Ted. That who they wanted to use in the first place, but DC said no. I also wish they had made him closer to the real atom.
In the first two seasons of Arrow, there were a few mentions of Ted Kord, owner of Kord Industries. In a flashback to 2007 in Season 1's "The Undertaking," Oliver Queen's parents Moira and Robert attended a fundraiser hosted by Ted Kord. In both Season 1 and 2, there were quick "Easter egg"-style appearances of Kord Industries logos. In Season 2's "Time of Death," we learn that the villainous William Tockman (The Clock King) used to work for Kord Enterprises.
Ted Kord and Kord Industries would take over Queen Consolidated and presumably as the season went on, we would eventually see Ted become the Beetle. When asked about it during Comic-Con International, one of Arrow's other executive producers, Andrew Kreisberg replied that they asked DC Comics for permission to use Ted Kord but they were told the company had "other plans" for the character. DC suggested they use Ray Palmer (the size-changing superhero known as the Atom) instead, and Kresiberg told the crowd, "we said that would work better!"
Guggenheim was asked on his blog how things changed between their original idea for Ted Kord and their current plans for Ray Palmer:
QuoteQ: We know you wanted to bring on Ted Kord originally, before picking Ray Palmer. Would he have been the same character on the show as Ray is now (similar character, similar storyline, etc.) or is Ray's general storyline for this season something you developed specifically once you had the DC greenlight?
A: A mix of the two, I'd say.
As a comic reader, it is bizarre to me that "Arrow" wanted to use Ted Kord / Blue Beetle, got denied by DC, then decided to use Ray Palmer / The Atom ... but couldn't be bothered to really change the character from Ted Kord to Ray Palmer at all! So now we basically have Ted Kord, using the name Ray Palmer, and calling his suit ATOM instead of BEETLE (or whatever) and splashing some red paint on there. It gives me the impression that these guys had already written a big chunk of Blue Beetle's storyline before getting denied by DC.
It's also strange how Arrow and The Flash keep borrowing so many set pieces and visual cues from Nolan's Batman films and the Spiderman series, with the CW Atom obviously heavily indebted to Iron Man.
I'm really irritated with a lot of things on the show, which I am still enjoying. The Atom "exosuit" (aren't all suits exosuits?) is probably the second-worst behind the fact that The Arrow doesn't shoot people with arrows. It makes sense that they wanted him to be Blue Beetle but it doesn't make sense that they just made The Atom Blue Beetle. It's not just that it isn't the thing that the character's supposed to do, it's just not cool. It's just a worse looking Iron Man, I don't like it. Brandon Routh is good though.
I like Routh too, but like everyone else I'm disappointed that Ray Palmer is Ted Kord. I was really looking forward to seeing some shrinking action going on. The Atom is one of my favorite DC characters so this is kinda upsetting. I like Blue Beetle too, but if I'm expecting and the Atom I want to see the Atom. It really irks me. I was cool with them using Batman storylines and set pieces and what not and applying them to Green Arrow...In fact, I'm happy that in this show Ollie is never called Green Arrow, because this guy ain't Green Arrow.
At least the name Oliver Queen is being used by a guy who is using a bow and arrows and not someone driving a batmobile and using batarangs as it seems in the case of Ray Palmer is Ted Kord.
I read somewhere that Routh did an interview and said that the shrinking powers will come in eventually. Personally, I'm hoping the armor explodes and gives him super powers, with maybe the jet boots being the only part of the armor that remains intact.
But right now he's a total Iron Man rip-off, and every board I've been to that has a discussion about Arrow has brought up the fact that the character is really Ted Kord. Some of us even think he should move to The Flash at some point.
Yeah, I've also read an interview with Guggenheim where he mentioned that Ray will eventually have shrinking powers but people might be surprised/disappointed with his initial "abilities". I'm assuming he'll pick up his shrinking powers in "The Flash", then move over into the spin-off series that is being developed for The Atom, Firestorm and the other B-grade heroes.
It would have been cool if they'd given Ray's suit roughly the same abilities as Al Pratt / Atom I ... "atomic strength", then Atom II could have had shrinking abilities. Then again, that's just the comic fan in me craving some closer ties to the books.
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Bronze Tiger
That was dumb. That was a great character and wasn't even fully develop yet in the show.
Only just saw this post so I'm replying to it now. Did the character in question get mentioned in the new Suicide Squad episode? Because if they did I must not have caught.
Incredibly disappointed to learn that they wrote them out in the comic. Lame as hell.
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I've liked Bronze Tiger in the comics, Arkham Origins: Blackgate game, and the show itself. Would have enjoyed seeing him again. I imagine his actor might be doing other stuff. Talking about developing his character, you might be interested to know there was an incredibly cool deleted scene on the season 2 Blu-Ray scene of Arrow (no, not the second Harley Quinn cameo, though that was a good one too) that does exactly that. We see Tiger in bed with Kelly Hu's character China White (lucky guy) and they're talking about his motivation. He's an "honorable opponent" type who wants the privilege of fighting the Arrow/Hood/whatever to test his skill. Nothing too complex or surprising, but still cool to see, a decent nod to his other iterations, and a fair deal more than what we got in the actual show.
I'll definitely miss him. I salute you, Ben Turner.
Entire Squad setup from 2.5 comic is thrown out the window,basicly.
Ravan,too,gets no mention,whatsoever.
Wait the guy from the Jihad, from Ostrander's original run? HE made it into the comic? Geez. I'm gonna have to do some more research about that thing.
The thing I find especially disappointing, is that the two previous times the Squad appeared on the show (their debut episode and the S2 finale) it was about Diggle, and not the Squad. At least the new episode put a spotlight on Deadshot (probably the first time in this show that actor felt anything like the real Floyd Layton to me)
Yes,that guy.You shoud really check out the comic.Its really good.And I wouldnt want to spoil it for you,but the squad goes against somebody pretty big in the DCU.
I wanted to see how Oliver himself will go against a metahuman opponent,instead of seeing how awessome Ray is...again.I think the biggest reveal in the long run is that Deathbolt is a metahuman from Opal city.That opens a lott of options in the future.Metahumans everywhere?Starman tv-series?I dont know man,but it keeps me up at night. :thumbup:
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I tottaly knew they wouldnt kill Roy.And he goes on a road trip.I expect him to come back for the finale.
Will they kill Thea?Thats the question...
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I think she's dead... Ish. That said, we kind of know the time travel shenanigans in Flash will be bringing back at least 1 other Arrow cast member, and there's still the Lazarus pit... The latter of which might be the reason Arrow consents in the first place.
Quote from: Tomato on April 16, 2015, 08:08:38 AM
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I think she's dead... Ish. That said, we kind of know the time travel shenanigans in Flash will be bringing back at least 1 other Arrow cast member, and there's still the Lazarus pit... The latter of which might be the reason Arrow consents in the first place.
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Only mostly dead? XD
Seeing all the Batman inspiration around,I kinda expect
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her to be revived by Lazarus pit,then go crazy for a while...and well you know the rest. XD
You guys didn't see the preview for next week?
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She going in the pit, then jumps out of it and is all crazy like
^Well,I was just kidding,but really?Are they going to do the whole Jason Todd thing now? XD
Season 2.5/17 has Oliver wearing a hockey mask...Casey Jones anyone? XD
Who is going to be in the new spinoff series because.....
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I was not expecting Roy to leave and it kinda looked like Ray wanted to go after he saw his girl and Arrow hugging it out
Quote from: JeyNyce on April 16, 2015, 07:02:15 PM
Who is going to be in the new spinoff series because.....
Confirmed so far
ATOM, Hawkgirl, Firestorm (professor Stein at least) Black Canary I (or at least Sarah's actress), Captain Cold, Heatwave, Rip Hunter
^And Static or maybe Black Lighting.
But come on people,metahumans in Opal city?Nobody finds that interesting?
Quote from: Spade on April 17, 2015, 02:40:35 PM
^And Static or maybe Black Lighting.
But come on people,metahumans in Opal city?Nobody finds that interesting?
You're thinking that we're going to see Starman or Elongated man? Or maybe a mention of them?
Writers say they have something real CRAZY in store for the next season,so it wouldnt suprise me.There was also talk about a new sidekick,but thats a different subject.
Arrow is awesome. The show never ceases to surprise me. I fully suspect that Sarah will be back in the next few episodes. It's highly possible that she had a secret dip in the pool.
Extremely disappointed with season 3 so far, too much teenage angst crap. Also it seems the producers are focusing too much on the Flash. Which has been amazing season so far.
Quote from: Midnite on April 23, 2015, 03:32:48 AM
Extremely disappointed with season 3 so far, too much teenage angst crap. Also it seems the producers are focusing too much on the Flash. Which has been amazing season so far.
There is just too much teenage angst crap in superhero media.. that stuff is supposed to be for Gotham and the Batman movies!!!!111!!11 oh, wait.. Arrow *IS* the Batman of the DC TV world. *mindblown*
- CQ
After watching Arrow last night, the first thing that popped in my head was Daredevil. Didn't DD took over the Hand and was their leader at some point. You think Arrow could be heading the same direction?
I thought the episode was good in spite of the angst (which i could have done without). Felicity sure has a lot of her mother in her. I also hate to see they broke up the whole Christian Grey angle which I was kinda enjoying with Ray and Felicity.
Maybe somebody will take the mantle temporarly??I can already imagine it: The battle for the hood! XD
And apparently Lady Shiva was supposed to appear this season,but that didnt work out...for some reason.
Ras is explaining who is Damien Dhark and how hes involved in every plot line?There is talk about Dig getting a costume?
Who cares about that,lets focus more on the developing romance between Laurel and Nyssa! :banghead:
There were more than one Ra's Al Ghul?? As much as I like Arrow, this storyline is something from a Batman storyline that was done in the comic years ago.
^Everything is!
The producers said that DC gave them promision to use EVERY charachter except the Trinity,basicly.Why dont they?I mean where is Hal Jordan?Why isnt Bane comming to break THIS vigilante?Give us Prometheus,Catman,Savants.Introduce Question like you teased...I mean anything,people...
Quote from: JeyNyce on April 30, 2015, 12:47:36 PM
There were more than one Ra's Al Ghul?? As much as I like Arrow, this storyline is something from a Batman storyline that was done in the comic years ago.
Batman is completely out of the DC Televerse because of FOX owning the television rights which allowed them to make Gotham but finally release the Batman '66 series from the FOX vaults. Since most folks were already making comments that Arrow Season One already gave such a huge Bruce Wayner/Batman vibe that the DC showrunners just ran with it by introducing Deathstroke in season two. Once they saw how much DC fans loved it and embraced the idea of bringing in more characters including Ra's Al Ghul. And this last episode just brought in another Batman/HIVE baddie Damien Darhk.
DC/WB knows they can't cover everything with the movies since it's wrapped around the origin of the Justice League, so why not use some of the other villains within the Televerse. IF Gotham EVER gets cancelled, I'm pretty sure that WB might bring in more Batman characters in Flash/Arrow and eventually Bruce Wayne/Batman himself within their own Batman show. However, I'm doubting it would happen because FOX has a death grip on their franchises (i.e. X-Men and Fantastic Four) and will just try again with another TV series on FOX or FX.
- CQ
That was a pretty good episode. :)
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Tatsus costume is okay.
Roy uses the alias Jason :huh:
And Felicity kills someone with an Ipad,that was cool. :P
I liked it for the most part
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- Tatsu's costume was good. Her vs Maseo was a very emotional fight.
- Ray during the fight was epic. "You should see the other guy", lol.
- I liked the scenes with Diggle. Ruse or not, you do not put your friend's wife and daughter in harm's way.
- The whole wedding and poisoning bit were not as intense as they could have been if they kept Oliver's ruse a secret until the next episode at least.
- Guess we can expect Thea becoming Speedy soon :)
Quote from: Spade on May 07, 2015, 08:02:52 AM
And Felicity kills someone with an Ipad,that was cool. :P
Actually
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it was Merlyn that killed the guy, but the look on her face when she thought she actually did it was priceless.
She was very annoying tonight though. I mean a guy tells you that it's all part of the plan and you go "He's marrying her?!?!?", i mean seriously?
Oh yeah,that was easy to miss... XD
So,season finale expectations?
Judging by the preview clip
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- There is gonna be a new Oliver vs Ra's.
- Everyone is fine and dandy (like we didn't see that one coming)
- Apparently The Flash will guest star, maybe he'll stop the virus from spreading?
Should be fun ^_^
Also, in the edges of the clip, it looks like:
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Thea Queen or "Mia Deaden" will step up in her role as the new Speedy
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I had high hopes for Suicide Squad,but they arent in the finale,it seems.
New spinoff is titled Legends of Tomorrow.It has Rip Hunter and some other guys. XD
I gotta admit, that was fairly lame.
The Season 3 Finale of Arrow. I know a lot has been said about this season thus far and a lot of it I've tolerated, but this ending was just... Meh.
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I expected doublecross of Ras. I expected(everyone expected) Team-Arrow to still be alive and the Flash helping with that. I expected Thea to become Speedy. I expected Team-Arrow would stop the release of the virus on Starling City. But man did they not only end this waaaaaay too easy and conveniently. But this whole thing just seemed lazily planned and executed. As if they didn't care about how they finished the show. Or the writers asked their teenaged daughters how should they end the season and they wrote it that way. The Oliver-Felicity storyline got rather boring or dumbed-down I think by the 3rd or 4th episode of the season. I thought they'd keep them apart for the sake of the show, but they just focused on it and continued to focus on it. The dynamic between the two still just seems weird. She's rather comedy relief or the "oracle", not the romantic lead. Not that I don't like the character or actress, I do, but it just doesn't seem to fit. Especially from the finale of season 2 to this season. I'd much rather see him chase after Laurel or Nyssa(whatever happen to THAT marriage again) than Felicity. They would seem a little more fitting with the character and the show. However, as far as the show is concerned, they seriously could have just put a bow on it because it was just so easy. As if there was no real threat? I'm trying to figure out not only how does Ras Al Ghul kill Oliver sooooo easy at the mid-season finale and get caught in some long exaggerated fight with him TWICE in the season finale. I'm also trying to figure out how INSANELY easy Oliver was able to just grab his sword take it from Ras' hand and stab him with it and.... that's it. Ras Al Ghul is dead. Easy Peasy.
I mean even(Click if you've seen the Flash)
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the Flash had to call in Oliver, Firestorm and the Atom's technology to defeat the Reverse-Flash.
And the ending was just anti-climatic. Oliver makes some speech about yay everybody's superheroes now you don't need me. I can grab this guy next to me's girlfriend and ride off in the sunset... VERY. LITERALLY. And then the Damien Darhk comes from completely out of... well, the "darhk" and goes away as fast as it came. I cannot fathom a purpose why they included it. Moreover, there was no big reveal. No real cliffhanger. I mean we saw Diggle iffy on being a masked hero and Merlyn is Ras Al Ghul and Oliver wanting to not be the Arrow anymore. But nothing that would make me want to "see how it turns out" or want to watch for next season. Even the flashback season was anti-climatic. Tatsu understandably is upset, but Oliver was like "welp... I really don't want to go home anymore(after wanting nothing but to go home for the last three years), I'll just go back to the island."
As far as season 4 goes, I'll watch it. Not sure precisely why. I love the action of the show. I've really come to appreciate the Green Arrow as a character. But they need to get back to what makes this show go: The Green Arrow. Oliver Queen and his need to save his city. It isn't Thea's or Diggle's or Laurel's. It's Oliver's. Not saying they can't do it, they can, but why would anyone believe he would just up and quit? So just as it was easy to figure Team-Arrow didn't die before this episode, it's about as easy to figure Oliver Queen will be putting the hood back on. Who will he fight next season? Court of Owls? Cheshire? Prometheus? Shiva? Maxwell Lord with Checkmate or OMACs? Any new allies? Conner Hawke? The Question? Vixen? Crimson Avenger, Shining Knight Vigilante or any other Seven Soldiers? Would love to see any of them, but that's all I really have to look forward to. Just hopes. Nothing to ACTUALLY look forward to.
The final episode wasnt as grand as the Siege or The Undertaking,but it was...okay.And sadly thats just it,as some sort of closure its passable but its not great or bad,its just okay.
And yes,the fight on the Dam was anticlimatic.Merlyn
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becoming Ras
is a nice twist,I admit.But the identity of the new "sidekick" is something we Al Sah coming(pardon the pun). :)
I mentioned my hopes for new characters in next seasons before...Now I do expect Damien to play a bigger role.Also I fully expect "Battle for the cowl" and "Ressurection of Ras al Ghul" in one form or the other. :rolleyes:
What's up with all the disappointment? I thought that episode was pretty darn good. It was exactly what I expected but with a couple of twists...mainly to suit the teenage angst stuff.
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I was hoping that Ollie would be come Ras and that happened. So, I was confused by comments by Reverse Flash that Ollie would live to be 86, then Ollie gave up the ring to Merlyn. The circle was complete for me.
I didn't like the running off with Felicity...isn't he a married man? Maybe they got a divorce that we didn't see or the marriage will come up again later.
I really liked the last line of this episode. I have some high hopes that season 4 is gonna make Ollie wish he kept his mouth shut.
Quote from: thalaw2 on May 14, 2015, 12:31:16 PM
What's up with all the disappointment? I thought that episode was pretty darn good. It was exactly what I expected but with a couple of twists...mainly to suit the teenage angst stuff. Spoiler
I was hoping that Ollie would be come Ras and that happened. So, I was confused by comments by Reverse Flash that Ollie would live to be 86, then Ollie gave up the ring to Merlyn. The circle was complete for me.
I didn't like the running off with Felicity...isn't he a married man? Maybe they got a divorce that we didn't see or the marriage will come up again later.
Im not disappointed,like I said it was just okay. :unsure:
On the whole marriage thing...was it like official?I mean like you know...was there a public notary or something? XD
CW has announced their schedule for 2015/2016.EVERYTHING is renewed as you could expect.No word on the Constantine,so we can assume the deal hasnt been made. :(
Sara
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did took a dip in the pool
so she will be in the Legends of Tomorrow as
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White Canary.Whatever that is XD
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did Sara really take a dip in the pool? Because my understanding is that the spin off involves heroes of different eras: Sarah from the past, Ray from the present, and a few potentially from the future (there's talk of one of the actors being a future Wally West) all united by rip hunter. They could still do that, but they clearly hadn't given Nyssa's comments to Merlyn.
Edit:nvmd, I just saw the trailer for legends of tomorrow. My bad.
There's a trailer already? I'm off to find it.
Yep it's here:
Awesome!
http://youtu.be/4MubNoWQiSc
Quote from: abenavides on May 14, 2015, 10:37:29 PM
Yep it's here:
Awesome!
http://youtu.be/4MubNoWQiSc
Found out already. Watched it like 4 times. And yes, it is. It looks to be fantastic.
Back to arrow stuff, the trailer does show
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Oliver back in his Arrow outfit.
Don't look too bad. Still a rather odd mix-match of characters/actors that seem completely random.
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I would have imagined Vandal Savage would be a major villain for maybe ARROW. Perhaps he still could.
Still not sure if this is a TV movie or mini-series or full order of a seasonal series or what though.
As far as the Arrow season finale goes, still disappointed. Still a fan. Which I suppose colors my disappointment. I guess I've come to expect more, especially if they're going to use a Ra's Al Ghul. Just seemed way tooooo easily defeated.
Arrow season finale was pretty good and I understand how some of you guys feel, but this is the why I see it: He's happy, he got the girl, the car, his friends are protecting his city, what can possibly go wrong.......? Everything!
Season 4 should be the "Empire Strike Back" season for Arrow.
http://www.eonline.com/news/656700/stephen-amell-talks-arrow-shocker-arrow-is-done
I think we've heard this before.
Quote from: abenavides on May 14, 2015, 10:37:29 PM
Yep it's here:
Awesome!
http://youtu.be/4MubNoWQiSc
I've never been so happy to see shrinkage!
Yeah, my sister saw this trailer and put two and two together with the ending of Arrow.
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Everyone's going to thing Ray died in the explosion because he accidentally shrunk himself, which is what they're talking about in the shrinking scene. That implies that he's stuck in small size for quite a while before figuring out how to restore himself to normal size.
My guess is that the Arrow cast will not figure that out and it will only be revealed he's still Alive in Legend of Tomorrow--although that will hardly be a surprise to anyone with all the promoting they are sure to do.
One of Doctors companions is now a solo time traveler.Thats a bit funny.Also,was that a giant robot at the end of the trailer?
Season 4 costume upgrade.
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Best suit he had. Really like it. Hopefully season 4 will be better than the 3rd.
Speaking of costumes,Diggle gets one.
http://comicbook.com/2015/07/12/diggle-gets-a-costume-for-arrow-season-4/ (http://comicbook.com/2015/07/12/diggle-gets-a-costume-for-arrow-season-4/)
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And Flash casts Teddy Sears as Jay Garrick.
Stephen Amell came to the panel in the outfit and reffered to himself as Green Arrow. About time :thumbup:
Its IGN,and also it beating a dead horse at this point,but Constantine could appear in season 4.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/07/16/comic-con-2015-constantine-could-still-appear-on-arrow (http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/07/16/comic-con-2015-constantine-could-still-appear-on-arrow)
Season 4 will focus more on mysticism,apparently. :huh:
Echo Kellum is Mr Terrific.I can live with that.
And Neal McDonough is Damian.That im not so sure about.
Never heard of him, but Arrow hasn't let me down yet, so I'm not worried.
Quote from: Spade on July 12, 2015, 04:54:31 PM
Speaking of costumes,Diggle gets one.
http://comicbook.com/2015/07/12/diggle-gets-a-costume-for-arrow-season-4/ (http://comicbook.com/2015/07/12/diggle-gets-a-costume-for-arrow-season-4/)
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And Flash casts Teddy Sears as Jay Garrick.
Not for nothing, but he kinda looks like a power ranger.
^Its just a prototype.It will probably look a little different.But yeah,that was my first thought as well.
It's so stupid! Diggle doesn't need a costume! He's cool enough without one!
Clearly none of you have ever actually watched Power Rangers, because there isn't NEARLY enough spandex there for that to be a Power Ranger.
Kidding aside though, I'm not worried about it. All things considered, that's fairly innocuous (It's basically his normal outfit in black, plus a mask) and they've made a decent case for it being a way to protect his family when he's on the field.
Baron Blitzkrieg is played by Jimmy Akingbola.Who is black.Lets not comment that.
Anarky confirmed!
And Jeri Ryan(Seven of Nine) will also guest star.
I find it amazing that the Flash thread is all but dead after the season ended and we're still talking about Arrow. What was it what said the Flash is the better show?
Almost everyone. This is why we don't have to keep discussing it. We already know it's going to be awesome, we don't have to discuss it in hopes it will be like we do with Arrow.
Also the news was a bit slower in coming, although there is some now.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/legends-tomorrow-vandal-savage-cast-813058 (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/legends-tomorrow-vandal-savage-cast-813058)
And we have Vandal Savage.
From the link above, Hawkman as well.
I thought the villain, Parish, in Alphas was a good "copy" of Vandal Savage. I'm looking forward to the WB adaptation. I hope Legends can be as good as Alphas period.
Im gonna take your word for it since Im not that big on SyFy channel.
Looks like we have almost the whole JSA present.Almost.
http://hollywoodlife.com/2015/08/10/stephen-amell-wwe-raw-stardust-feud-arrow/ (http://hollywoodlife.com/2015/08/10/stephen-amell-wwe-raw-stardust-feud-arrow/)
Not a wraslin fan myself,but this was hard to miss.Stephen Amell and Stardust will "fight" in Sumerslam.Yeah...
Apparently the star of Constantine tweeted that he'll be reprising the role for an episode of Arrow. Not a fan of Constantine myself, but it's good for those who are.
I'm a fan of the comics, the show was really bad. Still it might make a cool episode of Arrow even though they were on different channels.
I thought the show was okay, but I really liked Ryan's Constantine. I'm looking forward to his Arrow appearance.
I can dig it!
Constantine started shakey,but it actually got better with time.
Constantine good!
The Arrow Bunker:
http://comicbook.com/2015/08/14/first-look-at-new-arrow-bunker-for-arrow-season-4/
Like Harley said before, I like The Quiver better, LOL!
http://www.greenarrowtv.com/marc-guggenheim-posts-coast-city-production-art/ (http://www.greenarrowtv.com/marc-guggenheim-posts-coast-city-production-art/)
Coast City production art.But we wont get Green Lantern.
New trailer is up:
http://comicbook.com/2015/08/26/arrow-season-four-trailer-released-online/
Just saw this at DragonCon. I am sooooo psyched!
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"Since when have you been a hardcase?
"Since Always"
THIS is the Felicity (and show) I know and love. Not the weepy whiny mess that was last season.
This trailer just skyrocketed my hopes for season 4.
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Somebody has to say it:What is up with that helmet?Did they raid the props from X-men?
Quote from: Spade on September 05, 2015, 08:22:01 AM
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Somebody has to say it:What is up with that helmet?Did they raid the props from X-men?
Apparently the middle bit opaques out when hes out fighting. Which just barely pushes this over the line into tolerable
Well the first episode was...okay?
During the Coast City flashback
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Hal Jordan cameos.Or at least its somebody with his jacket.
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Finally he's Green Arrow
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Are they making a green lantern show or not? I mean jeez these references don't exactly excite me if I don't know it's going anywhere. On the other hand they've delivered on a lot of Easter eggs.
Loved the episode, I really like crazy hardcase Thea. Seems like a good villain, magic entering the universe, people actually getting killed, I'm excited!
Marc Gugenheim said he wanted Hal Jordan to appear this season,but DC thought it would clash with the upcoming (2020) movie.Maybe they reached an understanding?
Somehow the show is decaying more and more with every episode.IDK how thats even possible any more.
Which is funny, because I think it's been very good this season and gotten better with each episode. The characters have stopped shooting themselves in the foot by lying to each other for no reason other than DRAMA! and the villain is genuinely interesting. This episode was more or less pausing to set up Legends, but it was still good, had the character resolve their differences like actual reasoning adults and sets up things to move forward.
Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on October 23, 2015, 10:09:09 PM
Which is funny, because I think it's been very good this season and gotten better with each episode. The characters have stopped shooting themselves in the foot by lying to each other for no reason other than DRAMA! and the villain is genuinely interesting. This episode was more or less pausing to set up Legends, but it was still good, had the character resolve their differences like actual reasoning adults and sets up things to move forward.
Quote from: Tomato on October 23, 2015, 10:29:21 PM
Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on October 23, 2015, 10:09:09 PM
Which is funny, because I think it's been very good this season and gotten better with each episode. The characters have stopped shooting themselves in the foot by lying to each other for no reason other than DRAMA! and the villain is genuinely interesting. This episode was more or less pausing to set up Legends, but it was still good, had the character resolve their differences like actual reasoning adults and sets up things to move forward.
Quote from: BWPS on October 23, 2015, 10:39:13 PM
Quote from: Tomato on October 23, 2015, 10:29:21 PM
Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on October 23, 2015, 10:09:09 PM
Which is funny, because I think it's been very good this season and gotten better with each episode. The characters have stopped shooting themselves in the foot by lying to each other for no reason other than DRAMA! and the villain is genuinely interesting. This episode was more or less pausing to set up Legends, but it was still good, had the character resolve their differences like actual reasoning adults and sets up things to move forward.
Blah, sorry, was posting from my phone... what I meant was that I completely agree with Cat on this. I felt like the show was becoming stale, ESPECIALLY last season with all the soap opera level drama. This year's been a bit predictable maybe, but having him back on the island is good and I like the direction they're going.
I will say though, way to hit us over the head with the identity of the new scientist dude.
Agree with the above. They said they were toning down the drama and angst from last season and putting the characters back to who they were.
My biggest complaint about this episode was from the previous one, Oliver drops a bombshell that he's running for Mayor at the end of the episode... and then they fail to even mention it for the whole hour? Was it a joke or something?
And the angst,generic villains, Thea becoming a vampire(sort of),slow pacing and Laurel.
Quote from: Spade on October 24, 2015, 05:24:20 AM
And the angst,generic villains, Thea becoming a vampire(sort of),slow pacing and Laurel.
Angst? They are actually systematically tearing most of the angst down. Generic villains? Some of the villains of the week perhaps, but Damien Darhk is anything but generic, and he's the real focus of the show.
Vampire? She's got killing rage--something the Lazarus Pit has always imparted to those who use it. It's a slightly different twist on it, but it isn't vampirism.
I also forgot to mention the writers actually remembering that Felicity is more than just the girl and restoring her to the lovable geek who lets nothing go past her that she used to be while giving her a geeky sidekick of her own. I missed the old Felicity and never ever realized it.
Yeah, it seems odd that the running for mayor thing was never even mentioned, but it would have been hard to fit it in there.
True.
And Double Down isn't some generic villain either.
Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on October 24, 2015, 02:54:22 PM
Quote from: Spade on October 24, 2015, 05:24:20 AM
And the angst,generic villains, Thea becoming a vampire(sort of),slow pacing and Laurel.
Angst? They are actually systematically tearing most of the angst down. Generic villains? Some of the villains of the week perhaps, but Damien Darhk is anything but generic, and he's the real focus of the show.
Vampire? She's got killing rage--something the Lazarus Pit has always imparted to those who use it. It's a slightly different twist on it, but it isn't vampirism.
I also forgot to mention the writers actually remembering that Felicity is more than just the girl and restoring her to the lovable geek who lets nothing go past her that she used to be while giving her a geeky sidekick of her own. I missed the old Felicity and never ever realized it.
Yeah, it seems odd that the running for mayor thing was never even mentioned, but it would have been hard to fit it in there.
I was kidding about the vampire thing,obviously. :doh:
Now you have to admit Damien shares a few similarities with the previous Big Bads?
We barely see Double Down so its almost hard to judge there.
Quote from: Spade on October 24, 2015, 04:37:59 PM
Now you have to admit Damien shares a few similarities with the previous Big Bads?
Not really. He's a mastermind type--and that's about it. He has a very interesting personally, is the first outright confirmed magical character, and is threatening in a very different way than any of the others. Maybe he's a similar generic type, but it's the only villain type that really makes sense for this show, for the most part. He's certainly not generic.
Sorry, bud, but I fear you may be completely alone on this.
To quote Tyrion Lannister "Guess again."
I haven't been that impressed with Damien Darhk so far. He's alright, and his magic powers do make him a legit threat, but I haven't found him all that interesting or entertaining as yet. I definitely liked the other long time villains such as Slade Wilson and Malcolm Merlin more so far.
Not sure if I'd say the season's getting better with each episode, but I am liking it so far. I think Thea makes a good superhero, better than Laurel.
Quote from: Silver Shocker on October 27, 2015, 12:42:11 AM
To quote Tyrion Lannister "Guess again."
I haven't been that impressed with Damien Darhk so far. He's alright, and his magic powers do make him a legit threat, but I haven't found him all that interesting or entertaining as yet. I definitely liked the other long time villains such as Slade Wilson and Malcolm Merlin more so far.
Not sure if I'd say the season's getting better with each episode, but I am liking it so far. I think Thea makes a good superhero, better than Laurel.
I was of course referring to his overall opinion that this season is terrible and nothing it does is right not exclusively to the villain.
:rolleyes: I think you guys get way too bent out of shape about Spade's opinion. He's entitled to his just like anyone and I personally haven't had any issue with anything he's said in any thread that I can recall. I have some unpopular tv/movie/comic opinions of my own but I suppose I should just keep those to myself.
Quote from: Silver Shocker on October 27, 2015, 12:42:11 AM
To quote Tyrion Lannister "Guess again."
I haven't been that impressed with Damien Darhk so far. He's alright, and his magic powers do make him a legit threat, but I haven't found him all that interesting or entertaining as yet. I definitely liked the other long time villains such as Slade Wilson and Malcolm Merlin more so far.
Not sure if I'd say the season's getting better with each episode, but I am liking it so far. I think Thea makes a good superhero, better than Laurel.
Totally agree with that last part. She still sticks out like a sore thumb. Caity Lotz seemed to fit a lot better (and look a lot better too).
@Cat I didnt say EVERYTHING is terrible.There are some good moments,but there are are a lot more not-so-good ones.And the pacing is Netflix-slow.
Quote from: Shogunn2517 on October 27, 2015, 02:23:07 AM
Quote from: Silver Shocker on October 27, 2015, 12:42:11 AM
I think Thea makes a good superhero, better than Laurel.
Totally agree with that last part. She still sticks out like a sore thumb. Caity Lotz seemed to fit a lot better (and look a lot better too).
As much as I love the show, I've always felt like the show's struggled with finding stuff for Laurel and Thea to do from season to season. Hence why we had drunk angsty Laurel in season 2, and angsty teenager Thea the same year. They started to give them better material with season 3 but Laurel's been stuck arguing with her dad (which she was doing in season 2 as well) and trying to fill Sara's shoes. Oddly enough, Thea's currently filling
Roy's shoes, but for whatever reason (probably better writing and acting) I don't have a problem with that. And I say that, having really liked the developments with Roy, I'm just enjoying Thea's developments in his place.
It is a little crazy though that half the cast is running around in a costume now. Diggle's is the most ridiculousness though.
Quote from: Silver Shocker on October 27, 2015, 07:17:14 AM
Quote from: Shogunn2517 on October 27, 2015, 02:23:07 AM
Quote from: Silver Shocker on October 27, 2015, 12:42:11 AM
I think Thea makes a good superhero, better than Laurel.
Totally agree with that last part. She still sticks out like a sore thumb. Caity Lotz seemed to fit a lot better (and look a lot better too).
As much as I love the show, I've always felt like the show's struggled with finding stuff for Laurel and Thea to do from season to season. Hence why we had drunk angsty Laurel in season 2, and angsty teenager Thea the same year. They started to give them better material with season 3 but Laurel's been stuck arguing with her dad (which she was doing in season 2 as well) and trying to fill Sara's shoes. Oddly enough, Thea's currently filling Roy's shoes, but for whatever reason (probably better writing and acting) I don't have a problem with that. And I say that, having really liked the developments with Roy, I'm just enjoying Thea's developments in his place.
It is a little crazy though that half the cast is running around in a costume now. Diggle's is the most ridiculousness though.
Diggle is supposed to be Guardian,but I guess they thought the shield would be too much.
Quote from: Silver Shocker on October 27, 2015, 01:37:48 AM
:rolleyes: I think you guys get way too bent out of shape about Spade's opinion. He's entitled to his just like anyone and I personally haven't had any issue with anything he's said in any thread that I can recall. I have some unpopular tv/movie/comic opinions of my own but I suppose I should just keep those to myself.
Sure, keep them to yourself if the idea of other people actually not agreeing with you and stating their own opinions bothers you. I have no problems with Shade having his own opinion. I also have no problem with arguing against it when I think its just plain wrong. I am the type who enjoys a good argument as long as it doesn't get hostile.
Dont think thats worth the argument.Its just a tv show.So if you want to argue your gonna have to find somebody else.
Quote from: Spade on October 27, 2015, 09:08:33 AM
Dont think thats worth the argument.Its just a tv show.So if you want to argue your gonna have to find somebody else.
I want to discuss. That involved arguing if the two opinions being discussed happen to be opposites or incompatible. That's generally how it works.
Liking something is a subjective matter.You cant prove that somebody should like something or hate something.They like it or not,and it has little to do with you.
Hrm... I think everyone's starting to get bent out of shape for nothing. Spade, shocker, cat's right... To a point. The whole point of these discussion boards is to discuss. Saying he shouldn't discuss a topic and argue his point is no different than saying spade is wrong to argue his. However, I do think we may have over-done it a bit.
That being said, I understand both points of view: on the one hand, I like that we've toned down the soap opera junk and the only character I don't care for is Laurel, but I think most of us feel that way. On the other... I get spades point about Damian. To be fair, I think it is a bit early to judge right now, since we're only a couple episodes in and I don't think we even saw the other baddies by this point in their respective seasons (maybe Malcolm, but Slade was only in flashbacks). The actor has a good charisma though, and I like that he's more hands on... For all the effort put into making Ra's mysterious last season, he didn't actually do very much.
Quote from: Silver Shocker on October 27, 2015, 07:17:14 AM
Quote from: Shogunn2517 on October 27, 2015, 02:23:07 AM
Quote from: Silver Shocker on October 27, 2015, 12:42:11 AM
I think Thea makes a good superhero, better than Laurel.
Totally agree with that last part. She still sticks out like a sore thumb. Caity Lotz seemed to fit a lot better (and look a lot better too).
As much as I love the show, I've always felt like the show's struggled with finding stuff for Laurel and Thea to do from season to season. Hence why we had drunk angsty Laurel in season 2, and angsty teenager Thea the same year. They started to give them better material with season 3 but Laurel's been stuck arguing with her dad (which she was doing in season 2 as well) and trying to fill Sara's shoes. Oddly enough, Thea's currently filling Roy's shoes, but for whatever reason (probably better writing and acting) I don't have a problem with that. And I say that, having really liked the developments with Roy, I'm just enjoying Thea's developments in his place.
It is a little crazy though that half the cast is running around in a costume now. Diggle's is the most ridiculousness though.
Yep. You and I are on the same sheet of music. Though if Spade's theory was right(re: Guardian) I'd unlike it less. Either way, I can't see him making it through an entire season without explanation.
Quote from: Spade on October 27, 2015, 09:30:57 AM
Liking something is a subjective matter.You cant prove that somebody should like something or hate something.They like it or not,and it has little to do with you.
True, I was a bit strong there and I apologize.
Neal Adams is the Green Arrow! ;) That was cute.
Btw,your not much of a genius if you cant figure out Arrows identity at this point.
Next is the Constantine episode. :thumbup:
All I'm going to say is....
BRING BACK CONSTANTINE!!
Really enjoyed Constantine's return. They even brought back the music :D
A Sword of Atom episode would be cool.Or as close as we can get to that. :)
Matt Ryan is a treasure. It's like Constantine just walked off the page. I hope the rumor's I'm hearing about the series getting a reprieve are true (depending on the numbers this episode gets).
Oh almost forgot - I like how they kind of addressed the events in the other series, implying that it took place about a year before events on the island with that line about angels (at least, that's how I read it).
In next week's teaser...
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Ray's back and he shrunk himself WHEEEE!!!!
Did you catch that peacock feather?You know,like the NBC logo? ;)
Points for Damien being a bit more unique here.
It was a feather from a DEAD peacock......tell us how you really feel, LOL!
I hope that they bring back Constantine, or at least let him guest star in the other shows. Matt Ryan talents should not be wasted.
Come on,like hes not going to show up on Supernatural?Like they would miss on that opportunity.
Except Supernatural isn't part of the 'Flarrow' DCTV universe.
Thats not such a big obstacle.If there is will,there is a way.
Way back in the Constantine thread somebody mentioned that Supernatural was planed to be in the Hellblazer universe,but CW couldn't get the rights at the time.
And Curtis had a Fair Play jacket.Good for him.
Btw I always wondered how will the show handle his origin story.Originally,it was Spectre who told him the story of Terry Sloane and motivated him to take the name Mr. Terrific.I assume that origin is NOT going to happen in any form.
Okay I confess I was a wee bit disappointed in this one.
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I REALLY wanted more Adventures of Micro Ray. I wanted to see him dealing with being tiny even just a little bit. I know they don't have the budget for that, but still... :(
Rescuing him also seemed a bit easy, though I did like the bits with Oliver and Darhk. It's just Ray's Big/little problem seemed to be solved way too fast.
Still there were some fun bits in this episode, and a lot of coming to terms among the team.
"Ray's the size of a tater tot!" "Ray's the size of a Cheeto!" Think Felicity might have been a wee bit hungry this episode?
One thing that bugged me: the whole Chicken Cordon Bleu thing. You do NOT make Chicken Cordon Bleu with a WHOLE CHICKEN! ARGH!
Okay so what was that circuit board looking thing Darhk had? Anyone know?
I was saying we need a Sword of Atom episode.Story does get a little nod.
Did Felicity call Diggle Spartan,or did I just hear it wrong?
Quote from: Spade on November 12, 2015, 06:50:38 PM
I was saying we need a Sword of Atom episode.Story does get a little nod.
Did Felicity call Diggle Spartan,or did I just hear it wrong?
She did.
I was also asking if we were going to get a loose adaptation of Sword of the Atom.
Quote from: Glitch Girl on November 12, 2015, 04:22:01 PM
Okay I confess I was a wee bit disappointed in this one.
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Okay so what was that circuit board looking thing Darhk had? Anyone know?
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I was wondering that too. I figured it was either a map of central city, or maybe we're just not supposed to know what it is and it will be made clear later.
They killed
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Felicity.
That was pretty predictable.And we all know its not gonna stick.
Genesis?There was a DC event with that name,but I dont really think its related?
My 2 cents:
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I don't think she's dead. I think they just cut up the scene to make it look like she's the one Oliver is at the grave site crying over. I think she will be put out of commission for a few episodes, but she's not dead. They done the That person is dead, so take them to the pit and bring back bit enough already.
To be perfectly honest, I believe it... for now.
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I think she's dead. Going back to the flash foward early in the season, as well as the clip last night. It'll give the motivation Ollie will need to go through the season. And someone has to die and it clearly has to have enough meaning to make Barry show up and make Ollie vengeful. Who else could it be? Besides, this would be the perfect opportunity for Mr. Terrific to take her place as the nerdy techy person that they've been kind of setting up through the season. I don't know what it will do with Emily Rickards and her contract with the show, but again, someone has to die.
Again, for now. Like you said Jey, they've used the Lazarus Pit to undo every significant death in the show thus far. So it isn't out of the realm of possibility that she'll come back to life somehow... which will cheapen the show IMO. Some of the better shows on TV have significant characters die. Walking Dead, Game of Thrones, even Smallville killed of Jonathan. It helps drive the story. But I guess we'll see
Don't forget
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The Lazarus Pit has been destroyed. Which I thought was a good move on the writer's part to prevent them from continuing to use it, or making it looking silly when they didn't use it after a character died. I hope it stays gone, or at least inaccessible.
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She's not dead.
1. She's a fan favorite. I mean I literally just named my daughter after her. It'd be like killing Darryl off of TWD, people would stop watching. And so far they've written the show in a way that caters to the fans. People want Oliver and Felicity to get together even though he's with Laurel in the comics? They do. People want Oliver to shoot more arrows and kill people again? We got it.
2. They didn't show the gravestone in the flash forward to confirm. If she was really going to die they would have done that to generate a much bigger reaction.
I actually just had the two points so it seems silly to have numbered them.
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Felicity won't die, she'll be the "Flarrow"-verses version of Oracle.
I think the tombstone will be Capt. Lance's grave marker. That is still why Oliver blames himself, and why Felicity's mom was crying in previews. And Barry would show up at a fellow officers funeral, even in a different city.
(http://www.comingsoon.net/assets/uploads/2016/01/vixen-arrow-image.jpg)
First Look at Megalyn Echikunwoke as Vixen on Arrow (http://www.superherohype.com/news/363557-get-a-first-look-at-megalyn-echikunwoke-as-vixen-on-arrow)
Silly CW, that's Unknown from Tekken Tag Tournament 2
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(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/d7ssUjZbrHI/maxresdefault.jpg)
Interesting. She looks okay for the character, though the costume looks like everything else from these shows.
She looks great and she sounds great if you guys ever watch the animated series online, but what bothers me (and it may sound silly) is her hair. I'm not use to seeing Vixen with long hair
Ahh, Jey, you just hit something I couldn't put my finger on. That's exactly right. It isn't necessarily bad, but that's part of why this looked a little off to me.
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Felicity not being able to walk is just too sad. Good episode though, I liked how Oliver freed Anarchy and then just said "make sure he's dead." I'd have let him blow torch Dark's family though, they were awful people. I wonder how they're going to be able to kill this tough customer. They haven't been working on plans for that as much as just saying they're going to kill him and then finding him and not doing a good job.
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Oliver's son is kidnapped.Name of the episode: Taken :lol:
That was a really good episode. One thing bothers me.....
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At the end, Felicity was talking to Oliver and all of a sudden she was able to stand and walk, but instead of finishing her conversation, she just walks out. That seemed kind of odd to me.
Now im interested to see what Constantine has been up to. :)
Wild Dog cast for Season 5. Have no idea who that is though.
Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on June 16, 2016, 01:05:12 AM
Wild Dog cast for Season 5. Have no idea who that is though.
Punisher wannabe,in short.
Vigilante has been cast and it seems he will be the main antagonish for the season.
Interesting that they've cast both Vigilante and Wild Dog - 2 "punisher" types.
Maybe next year's season arc is about vigilantes running wild in Star City and what Oliver does about it.
My guess is that they are going to be exploring the vigilante type that Oliver used to be and explore the very different ways that can do. The early discriptions of Wild Dog seem to indicate that he'll end up being Mentored by Oliver, while Vigilante seems to be the main antagonist for the season. So I think we'll see both start out the same but while Wild Dog excepts the Green Arrows mentorship and becomes gradually more heroic, Vigilante will reject it and become gradually more violent.
Makes sense.
I think Vigilante's alter ego was a DA, no? If so, maybe he is an ally of new mayor Oliver Queen at first. Echoing the Harvey Dent-Batman dynamic.
Hope they pull off a good year, it's been two meh ones in a row.
Is it just my imagination,or do they seem inspired by Daredevil a bit?
I could believe that.
Though if the next villain on one of the CW superhero shows is Christopher Eccleston or Matt Smith in a suit I'm going to laugh my butt off....and then enjoy the heck out of that because that would probably be awesome.
Considering that everyone played at least 2 comic book characters,Eccleston could happen.Stanley Dover Elder?
I have been saying that since the start,but it would be cool if they introduce Hitman next season.Or Unknown Soldier.I can only hope.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/arrow-welcomes-young-justices-artemis-to-star-city (http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/arrow-welcomes-young-justices-artemis-to-star-city)
And we have Artemis.
And now we have Ragman.
http://screenrant.com/arrow-season-5-joe-dinicol-ragman/
New trailer confirms that Oliver's new team will consist of Wild Dog, Artemis, and Mister Terrific.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxG7JR4-nCM
Stephen Amell's Oliver Queen will fight Dolph Lundgren as a Russian villain during the Russia flashbacks this year. (http://ca.ign.com/articles/2016/08/11/arrow-casts-dolph-lundgren-as-villain-in-season-5-flashbacks)
I'm not even a Dolph Lundgren fan...and that is awesome! :thumbup:
-They will borrow a line from Rocky IV. I think we know what line that is. "I must break you."
-Amell didn't even know until the news hit. He was freaking out on twitter. That's awesome.
I would assume he's KGBeast, except the KGBeast was already in Arrow. That being said, considering there was more than one Deathstroke and more than one Count Vertigo, they could totally have more than one KGBeast. And I think they should, because Lundgren is more suited to play the character than the guy who played him last in Arrow anyway.
Man, I'd love to see the Golden Ave Vigilante. He wouldn't work on a show so dedicated to DRAMA!, but I do love that character.
Was he the Nathan Fillion JLU one? Because that guy was awesome.
WAS HE?!?!
I just looked it up, and he was! How cool! I didn't even know...that makes me like him even more! :D
He probably wouldn't have fit in in Arrow, but he would have been right at home in Legends of Tomorrow.
If only that show wasn't so bad. :P
Although, if he were actually PLAYED by Nathan Fillion, I'd grin and bear it to watch those episodes.
IIRC Nathan is currently Wonder Man,so no chance of showing up here.
I hope this will be a better season then the previous two.But Im not all that optimistic.
So rewatching the Arrow, season 5 premiere and I think, overall, the episode was pretty good. The pacing, the action, characters weren't sticking out like sore thumbs. But there were still a few "surprises" or disappointments.
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First of all, in the first fight scene, it just seemed like Wild Dog just came out of nowhere to try to diffuse the bomb. No, introduction, no "Oliver, there's someone there that's not a hostile", no nothing. I thought he was there WITH Oliver at first. Secondly, I've also rewatched the first 3 seasons recently and I notice the difference in what they did right and what the latter seasons have done differently. In seasons 1-3, the villains were introduced gradually. Ras Al Ghul was a known entity, but when we saw him, it was at least a few months in the season. Deathstroke, although had been prominent in flashbacks for a while, he didn't get Starling City until later and he was still kind of a "behind the scenes" bad guy like Ras was. Also in season 1, Merlyn didn't come on camera until 4-5 episodes in and we didn't find out he was the Dark Archer until the break. Also, The first few seasons, like the Flash had the intrigue of the how most of the episodes ended with a cliff-hanger. Season 4 and so far, season 5 are unlike all of that. Damien Darkh was introduced in the first episode, as was Prometheus and Tobias Church. It seems pretty anti-climatic.
I'm committed to watch and will, but a lot of what dragged last season was the emotional baggage between Oliver and Felicity. Maybe they've fixed it... Keep it basic. Hopefully.
I agree Shogunn (with the spoiler stuff). I'm committed to watching this show too. It is still pretty decent. I'm kinda glad to see some parts went back to the roots of season 1. Besides, after watching Flash this season IMO Arrow is off to a better start. I see more potential here. I'm excited about the new team.
I do not like that Ollie is back to killing again. Granted, Dahrk deserved it at the end of last season and that was pretty much the only sure way to stop him. But Green Arrow being an indiscriminate killer again is a step backward.
Quote from: GhostMachine on October 14, 2016, 08:28:16 PM
I do not like that Ollie is back to killing again. Granted, Dahrk deserved it at the end of last season and that was pretty much the only sure way to stop him. But Green Arrow being an indiscriminate killer again is a step backward.
Agreed. I understand his reasoning, but killing off random thugs is not the same as killing a mass murderer.
So something bugged me about last night's episode:
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How did Black Siren know about the Waverider? It's possible there was a line in the episode clearing that up but if so I must have missed it. She was let out of her Star Labs cell by Prometheus and I don't think Prometheus would have known about it and the Legends. It's possible someone at Star Labs told her but I don't see why they would do that.
Quote from: Silver Shocker on January 26, 2017, 10:01:29 PM
So something bugged me about last night's episode:
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How did Black Siren know about the Waverider? It's possible there was a line in the episode clearing that up but if so I must have missed it. She was let out of her Star Labs cell by Prometheus and I don't think Prometheus would have known about it and the Legends. It's possible someone at Star Labs told her but I don't see why they would do that.
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I believe Artemis left the team after the crossover right? If so, then she was briefed about the Waveriver and passed the information on to Prometheus.
So it's been revealed, the superpowered screamer from last week, with the name Tina Boland...
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Apparently she was a meta-human powered by the Particle Accelerator Explosion in Central City. Tina Boland was a cover she used as a undercover cop. And her real name is Dinah Drake... And since she gained her powers from the PAE three years ago, this would also mean that this Dinah Drake predates "Laurel" Lance, just as it is in the comics.
And to be honest... as clunky as this might be, I prefer it. Though we have little background on this Dinah Drake, what we knew about Laurel is that she trained under Oliver, Ted Grant and Nyssa, but was never a match in a fight against the likes of Oliver. The Black Canary I'm familiar with is one of the best hand-to-hand fighters in DC, far better than Oliver. Perhaps this will be the show's chance to softly reboot a character, who was thoroughly trained and possibly even a chance to introduce other characters who I've been DYING to see in this show like Richard Dragon, Vic Sage, Cassandra and David Cain, Shiva... And quite frankly, Katie Cassidy never really "fit" the role of the Black Canary. Just never found her believable. Sara yeah. Laurel, not so much.
If they brought in a good version of the Question, that might even be enough to get me to watch that show.
So... yeah, this week's episode happened. I'm gonna be honest, the reveal on this one actually surprised me. I'm not usually blindsided by non-BS plot twists like this, since I'm usually pretty intuitive about where mysteries like this are gonna go... but yeah, no, they got me good. Spoilers for episode 15, ye are warned
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Prometheus is... Adrian Chase.
I mean... I guess I SHOULD have seen it, but MAN... there was just so much there for him being Vigilante. He started getting rougher with criminals around the time Vigilante started showing up, his name is literally Vigilante's SI in the comics... I was sure it was cut and dry.
Yeah, I was surprised by that reveal as well.
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I've heard people online say it was cheating, and I'm reluctant to disagree.
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I kiiind of get that, but if you take away the name (which was blatant and cheap misdirection) a lot of the hints that seemed to point to Vigilante make more sense for Prometheus. He's two steps ahead of Oliver because he's positioned himself to work with him. As DA, he set up Arrow with the death of a Cop, arranged to have Oliver cover it up, and then was able to leak it in one fell swoop. He was more brutal with the criminals around the time Vigilante showed up because of his frustrations with Church. Part of the reason this reveal was so frustrating is because it's NOT out of nowhere, it's just that we as fans got so blinded by the name we ignored other clues.
Wow.... this is not only a notable casting but also a notable character!
http://deadline.com/2017/08/arrow-kirk-acevedo-recur-ricardo-diaz-richard-dragon-season-6-1202149390/
Kirk Acevedo is probably best know for his work in Oz, Law and Order and other Dick Wolf productions. Richard Dragon is one of the main puzzle pieces the Arrowverse hadn't touched on yet, considering how much he could connect the story and charscters.
I dunno how enthusiastic to be, tbh. It's good casting right enough, but given his status as a villain it's very likely the character will be based on the n52 Richard Dragon... a two bit Green Arrow villain who, according to Wikipedia, killed the original prior to his debut in the N52... meaning we likely won't see the classic Richard Dragon character in the series. They could conflate the two DCAU style I guess, but I get the impression this version is JUST a crime boss.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/920711821849280513
In the next episode there's a pretty BIG name drop...
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If you hadn't been keeping up with Arrow(or the Flash), but the first episode of season six someone revealed the Green Arrow's identity(again) and in dealing with the fallout, Mayor Queen deflects by saying the video could have been doctored to put "Bruce Wayne's head on the Green Arrow" confirming at least the existence of Bruce Wayne in the Arrowverse
Of course it could be assumed, but it was a pretty curious reveal all the same.
I really wish they'd get rid of Black Siren. I'm hoping the payoff is either Quentin wising up and shooting her (making sure she's actually dead this time) OR Sara showing up and taking her out.
Wild Dog's new costume is meh.
https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/10/15/wild-dog-co-creator-not-happy-with-new-costume-on-arrow/
Quote from: Shogunn2517 on October 26, 2017, 07:33:39 AM
https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/10/15/wild-dog-co-creator-not-happy-with-new-costume-on-arrow/
I'm expecting Wilddog's new armor from the first episode of this season to just be a work in progress from Felicity/Terrific/Cisco to keep him better protected and failed horribly after being shot by a high powered gun (apparently loaded with armor piercing rounds) and critically injured after landing on a car. Complete fail on all parts and after getting another chance to get custody of his daughter, Rene is probably going to want less frontline action or at least something way more advanced against bullets of any kind. The design team probably needed more time to update his street level design and came up with a more "armored stealth suit" temp until the final version was ready and used his wounded status to sideline him until then. Rene returns to active duty under the new leadership of the all new Green Arrow in this weeks show so lets hope some changes are made.
- CQ
This week on Arrow...
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My actual reaction to the ending of the episode...
Me: DIGGLE'S SHOOTING UP?!
Well, Green Arrow, you always have all the answers, so what's your answer to that?
MY BODYGUARD IS A JUNKIE!!!
I really hope someone makes a parody cover based on that, if they haven't already.
Also, I think people are going to be able to tell this Green Arrow is a fake.
Also, "Terrible taste in music".
Three words: Speedy drug plot. Even though Roy and Thea have worn the Speedy costume, Diggle has always come off as this series sidekick to me.
This'll be the third time they use the Speedy drug plot... aren't there any other major events in Green Arrow history they can use?
There are but it would require the writer's to actually put some real work in to do them.
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Also, I think people are going to be able to tell this Green Arrow is a fake.
You know, I know these shows take a hefty bit of suspension of belief to be able to watch and enjoy. As if everyone bad guy in a pretty sizable city can't tell that's their mayor wearing a latex eye cover whupping their ashes. But can we not at least ignore what's painfully obvious?
BLACK Siren: "There's something different about you Green Arrow? Have you been working out? Oh! That's it! You're using a crossbow now!"
I mean, come on. That hood and mask don't cover THAT much.
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This'll be the third time they use the Speedy drug plot... aren't there any other major events in Green Arrow history they can use?
They didnt send him on a road-trip across US so far,have they?
Quote from: Shogunn2517 on October 29, 2017, 08:49:09 PM
BLACK Siren: "There's something different about you Green Arrow? Have you been working out? Oh! That's it! You're using a crossbow now!"
I mean, come on. That hood and mask don't cover THAT much.
IT was sarcasm when she said that. She knew exactly it wasn't Oliver and has encountered the team enough times to know which of Arrow's team might be the right build and height and above all.. skin tone.
- CQ
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This'll be the third time they use the Speedy drug plot... aren't there any other major events in Green Arrow history they can use?
They didnt send him on a road-trip across US so far,have they?
They should have him give some impassioned, self-righteous speeches and relate some folks to Hitler. :lol:
Maybe by season 10 or 11.We can only hope.
I just saw my previous post and this is going to be a bit ironic- Arrow is ending with season 8.I want to say we had a good run but...well,we had two great seasons and then it kinda went downhill.
The whole Oliver in prison arc was boring. Diaz was a lame villain and shouldn't have lived past the end of last season. And this whole flash forward in time thing with William is uninteresting, to say the least.
I've no problem with it ending.
I'm ok with it ending too. I do think it's gone on a bit too long, that Diaz has been in the show too long, and the flash forwards....well, I'm getting flashbacks to Lost, more so than usual with Arrow. Like the infamous final season of Lost, it's got me going "Ok, what is the point of all this?"
If Arrow's finally ending, I can't imagine Legends will last much longer.
Yeah. Cosigning the both of you.
The show was definitely a good start to a Arrowverse. The villains were intriguing. It's constant pulls from continuity kept it fresh and relevant and the story was intriguing. Oliver's list, all his parents' secrets. And it was good for several seasons until it wasn't. Diaz had a lot of potential as a concept, but it just drag and drag and drag and just when you thought it was going to end, they decided to drag it on for a whole another season. And what's worse, where for better or for worse, every season had a theme or at least a coherent story, I still don't know what the hell is going on with this season.
But to be completely honest with you, IMO what's really constantly drug this show down is their insistence on making the Oliver/Felicity story so critical to the entire story. Alone, Felicity is a good character a bit of a relief from the heavy tone of the show, but putting them together you not only get her characterization, but multiply it with a romantic angle that just didn't fit with the series even if the characters were right just bogged it down and they just continued to feed it to us.
Honestly, I just didn't care for what they did with the newest episode:
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As soon as I read the episode description I was like "They're gonna do an entire episode of the flash-forward, aren't they? Alright, I'm gonna get settled in, grab a comic to read..." And yep, they did it.
But hey, you know the crossover's going to be epic, right? So at least there's that. :D
Just announced that Emily Bett Rickards will be leaving the show at the end of the season.
And if you were to let the FB comments tell it, fans now want the show to go on for a few more seasons now.
Saw the first episode of Arrow, which does indeed appear to be mostly about the Crisis and it is a VAST improvement. If they keep this season about Ollies' multiverse adventures doing tasks and gathering things to prepare for the Crisis I will be very pleased, but this was quite fun. Well, except for the flash-forwards, which mostly bore me.
Yeah, I'd say it was pretty good. The future stuff is still a complete snooze, and I don't think that's likely to change any time soon, but seeing Oliver navigate Season 1 of his own personal Earth 2? Actually kinda cool. And definitely hits the right nostalgia buttons (I've been rewatching the previous seasons of Arrow on lately, which really highlights what was good, and where the show start to decline over time). The showrunner did a bunch of interviews leading up to the premire, and the main takeways I got where 1. Lots of guest stars, like surprise guest stars in every episode and 2. Almost the entire season is going to be this. More than half the season is apparently going to take place somewhere other than the present-day, main universe Star City. The former I thought sounded great, the latter I was...curious about? But yeah, for now, pretty neat.
Minor spoilers for the episode:
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I had a whole thing on this on the discord, but the only thing I was disappointed in was that there's a continuity flub that I think would have added to the episode. We know that this is the same Earth 2 Laurel is from, but waaaay back in Flash Season 2 we saw the arrest of the original E2 Hood on TV: Robert Queen. I don't doubt Chase could have taken up the mantle in the years after that, but there's no acknowledgement of the fact that Oliver is using his father's mantle. For an episode that's all about revisiting Season 1, not revisiting Robert Queen, especially after the whole ordeal last season, was a missed opportunity IMHO.
I haven't watched it yet (Have only watched this week's Flash and Batwoman), but I read that they're continuing with the future stuff with Mia and William. That was the worst part of last season, and they may be getting a spin-off next season. I fired off a long chain of choice words I cannot use here when I heard about the spin-off. So I think you can guess that I will not be watching it.
Had an issue with the Flash, but since this isn't a thread about it, I won't discuss that here.
Yeah, I'm with you guys. This episode was much more fun.
The sad part is, I pretty much zoned out most of the end of last season so I have hardly any idea of what the heck is going on.
But this was very reminiscent of the earlier seasons. Not just because of the sets and characters, but it seemed.... less cluttered. I guess is a way of putting it. I'm definitely interested in seeing where it goes.
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The sad part is, I pretty much zoned out most of the end of last season so I have hardly any idea of what the heck is going on.
In fact, virtually nothing about this episode has anything to do with the previous season. All you need to know is that in payment for the Monitor saving Flash and Supergirl, GA is now running errands for him to prepare for the crisis, leading to him being dropped off to where we see him in the beginning of the episode. The future segments are the only bits really connected to last season and they aren't worth paying that much attention to anyway.
This week on Arrow, Oliver, Diggle and Katana (who of course, has got their back :P) beating up bad guys in Hong Kong. Pretty fun stuff. And some future stuff you absolutely can ignore. And very intriguing cliffhanger.
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Oh Laurel pops in and out throughout the episode too, I guess. And China White shows up again! I actually missed Kelly Hu in the guest star credits so when she showed up again I was like "Hey, neat!"
The episode ends with Lyla scheming with The Monitor. Which really has me wondering....are Harbinger and Lyla going to be the same character? Does Lyla become Harbinger? Has Harbinger replaced Lyla? Was she always Harbinger? I'm really not sure, and I"m genuinely curious to find out.
Also between this and whatever the hell the Monitor is up to with Lex over in Supergirl, I'm starting to wonder...is the Monitor a bad guy?
So recently they revealed the Anti-Monitor online...yup, he's in it, and LeMonica Garret (The Monitor) is playing him too... (https://ew.com/tv/2019/10/16/crisis-infinite-earths-anti-monitor-lamonica-garrett-photo-arrowverse/) Are they the same guy? Does the Monitor become the Anti-Monitor?
Or are they going to end up taking a page from Countdown of all things and have more than one Monitor running around. Maybe the one who took Lex isn't the same one we're seeing in the other shows?
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Lyla is taking up the Harbinger identity, at least in terms of having a costume and her general role in CoIE. I suspect, given her objections about how "my husband was there" it's our Lyla, working with the Monitor for the same reason as Oliver is.
Looking back though, it's interesting... It was Lyla that sent John to Earth 2 for Oliver. That strikes me as intentional on the Moniter's part.
Oh and the spin off is happening. Green Arrow and the Canaries, blah.
Won't be watching the spinoff, unless its some sort of swerve and not the future timeline. The future timeline parts of the show bore me to death.
Well that just happened... :huh:
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Characters from the future segments are now in the present day alongside Oliver and the others...I actually was kinda expecting them to end up in the present day. Something about the spinoff "Green Arrow and the Canaries" and the piece of promo art they put out made me think they might be doing that. I actually do like this idea because 1) I've been waiting since last season for the future stuff to "matter" and 2) I was hoping for some way to see Diggle and the others after Arrow ends and so I was kinda hoping for a spinoff, and when I heard what the spinoff was I was disappointed but now it might deliver some of what I wanted to see.
I was actually expecting the opposite to happen.
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I figured GA might be sent on an errand into the future and meet the next gen group. Wasn't expecting them to go into the past instead. This may mean no more flash forwards. Or they may go back.
Well, as of the most recent episode, they finally did it. It took them an entire season and change to do it, but we finally got an Arrow where 100% of the episode was interesting instead of the 50%. All of the Oliver stuff in the final season so far has been great, and all of the future stuff since last year has been a complete waste of time. But they finally managed to get us here, and you can really taste the difference quality makes.
I MIGHT actually look forward to that spinoff now. :D
Also Quinton Lance is supposed to appear in some capacity this year. Definitely looking forward to that. I always liked him and Sara's material. It'd be great if Caty Lotz pops in at some point (would not be surprised).