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Cap and Thor against the "Waiting for our CGI" villains. It's funny, specially when you know how different it will look when finished.
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/MarvelFreshman/news/?a=44718

There's a short video here:
http://blog.newsarama.com/2011/08/19/thor-and-captain-america-team-up-on-set-in-the-avengers/

Awesome!  I cannot wait for this movie!

Cool!  I wish they had their masks/helmets on, though.

Dana

I've heard rumors that the story may be based on the first volume of The Ultimates, and I have to say, that doesn't exactly appeal to me.  Y'all know how much I like the Ultimates setting.  Even if they're taking the general structure, though, the invasion by an alien race, I doubt we'll see too much "Ultimate-ness" with this movie.  The characters all seem like their normal counterparts for the most part.

Sounds like their merging the two universes a bit.  I'm glad the characters are more like the 616 characters, though.   I thought in Thor, they already set up Loki to be the first film's villain (unless I misread that)?

Dana

Good point Dana, it certainly seemed that way.  However, I suppose they could pull in more than one type of threat.

I agree with Dana, they are mixing the original and Ultimates concepts in the movies.
I suppose we'll have more than just one villain in the Avengers movie, maybe a mastervillain and some (alien? mystic?) allies.

From what I've read Loki is definitely in Avengers. Lots of rumors of skrulls but I'm not sure I've seen a confirmation.

cant wait! really wanna see HULK. bet he's gonna look awsome. ive seen pics but wanna see the finished product.

The Skrulls wold explain the footage with guys in suits meant be removed.  The Skrulls would definitely need heavy CGI.

Looking pretty cool so far. The connecting posters are amazing!

Here's a bit of news and some interviews.  The plot thickens:
http://movies.ign.com/articles/118/1189565p1.html

Here's some new footage of a few of the Avengers in action:
http://www.movie-moron.com/?p=18182
I had found a better version a while back, but I can't seem to locate it now.  Anyway, it seems that folks online are pretty confident that the Skrulls will be showing up.  That sounds good to me.

Boy, I can't wait till this movie comes out next summer!  Marvel has really put together the makings of something special with this one!

Yeah, I'm just getting more and more excited about this flick!  Everything I'm hearing and seeing about it is good.  Even that secret footage there looks like it's of a fun scene!

Ok, I am a stickler for details, so this quote bugs me. "Tony runs down who he has on his side: Two master assassins (Widow and Hawkeye), a demigod," A demigod? Thor is no demigod. He is the son of Odin and Jord. Odin of course is the chief Asgardian god and Jord is a elder goddess. Demigod my arse!

Haha, well, that may not be a direct quote. :)

Hmm, this kind of has me worried. http://www.joblo.com/movie-news/mark-ruffalo-talks-about-channeling-the-hulk-for-the-avengers

Well, the Hulk is one area where this film is going to have at least a bit of an uphill battle for me.  Edward Norton was just so perfect as Banner, and that movie did such a fantastic job with the Hulk...it does bother me that Marvel couldn't work it out with him.

I completely agree Benton. Norton was perfect in his role. I also thought the CGI for the Hulk were great. Some scenes not so much, but most of them were great. Apparently, Norton is hard to work with. He wants to be involved in more than just the acting. I'm not too familar with Mark Ruffalo, other than his work in Shutter Island, which I thought were great.

I don't know though if I am ready to see the Hulk running around on all fours. I mean are we just going to be seeing a  hairless green King Kong?

Yeah, I still think that the problem with Norton came down to money, and Marvel really should have just shoved enough money at the guy to make the problem go away.  He's an amazing actor, and he did a suitably amazing job.

Quote from: captmorgan72 on September 08, 2011, 01:29:23 PM
I mean are we just going to be seeing a  hairless green King Kong?

Actually, one of the actors said he was going to be grey this time around.

Grey would go against all the character art released thus far.

Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on September 08, 2011, 09:15:41 PM

Quote from: captmorgan72 on September 08, 2011, 01:29:23 PM
I mean are we just going to be seeing a  hairless green King Kong?

Actually, one of the actors said he was going to be grey this time around.

I'm FAIRLY certain you're screwing with me, and if that is true, bah! :P

That is what they said, but actors don't always have any idea what they're talking about.

Maybe he changes color or something during the film.  Or whoever said that is just totally wrong.  I may have to watch that interview again.

http://www.reelz.com/movie/262408/the-avengers/

It looks like both Evans and Hemsworth, lost a lot of muscle mass since their movies. I can imagine how hard it must be to keep it on.

Marvel Studios Releases Official AVENGERS Images
http://www.newsarama.com/php/multimedia/album.php?aid=44444

First official Avengers trailer is up: http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/marvel/avengers/ (http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/marvel/avengers/)!

Ohh my gosh....this is shaping up to be the greatest superhero movie of all time....that just looks incredible.

I'm getting really, really psyched.

Quote from: BentonGrey on October 11, 2011, 04:11:12 PM
Ohh my gosh....this is shaping up to be the greatest superhero movie of all time....that just looks incredible.

I concur!

Looks soooooo cool.  :cool:

The effects and sets as usual look pretty stunning..... as usual though I'm the fly in the ointment and I just really don't care for something the casting of these major roles. Ah well. :p (Particularly Hemsworth as Thor... SORRY)

Quote from: ShawDAMAN on October 11, 2011, 11:08:05 PM
The effects and sets as usual look pretty stunning..... as usual though I'm the fly in the ointment and I just really don't care for something the casting of these major roles. Ah well. :p (Particularly Hemsworth as Thor... SORRY)

Really?  Now that's surprising.  The casting for the Hulk is disappointing, admittedly, but I haven't heard anybody complain about Hemsworth.  He was really great in Thor, and I imagine he'll be just as good here.

Hemsworth was the best part of Thor.  He was charismatic, arrogant, charming and noble in turns in what was otherwise a middling movie.

QuoteReally?  Now that's surprising.  The casting for the Hulk is disappointing, admittedly, but I haven't heard anybody complain about Hemsworth.  He was really great in Thor, and I imagine he'll be just as good here.

Quote
Hemsworth was the best part of Thor.  He was charismatic, arrogant, charming and noble in turns in what was otherwise a middling movie.

I know, I know.  :(  I just can't help my gut feeling lol.

I've always pictured Thor basically like this:
(http://dreager1.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/thor.jpg)

Clean shaven, kind of square jawed, almost Grecian features with a really commanding voice and otherworldly presence (lol.)

Hemsworth, on the other hand, just seems like a butch, uncouth, scruffy ranch dude-slash-ladies-heartthrob with superpowers to me:

(http://www.chartmovieinfo.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/chris-hemsworth-thor-580x386.jpg)

His eating like a slob and smashing coffee cups and running around in jeans and the like didn't help either haha (yes I know, it's part of the plot.  :rolleyes: )

I get a similar feeling with him as I get with say Halle Berry as Storm. You need something kind of exotic, regal and commanding but you get something that is annoyingly 21st century urban and ordinary (aside from good looks.) I guess I'm really demanding.  :P

I agree Hulk's casting is disappointing. I don't dislike Downey as Iron man (nobody seems to.) Chris Evans as Captain America is just decent IMO.

ever seen a real Viking or Norse mythology concept. marvels comic thor would have been laughed at

Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on October 12, 2011, 12:52:24 PM
ever seen a real Viking or Norse mythology concept. marvels comic thor would have been laughed at

It depends. I know that various interpretations of these characters are possible. I think they could have been more reminiscent of the comics though without it being any more ridiculous than these marvel hero films already are. I suppose that's the problem with live-action interpretations of these comic book standards, the writers/producers feel compelled to make it more 'current' and 'real' and to me it often becomes strangely less believable and appealing in the process.

Sorry to take this thread off topic though the footage and shots are great.

I personally like there interpretation of Thor.  Made some slight changes to make it more believable, but otherwise was very comicy in other parts.

Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on October 12, 2011, 04:47:41 PM
I personally like there interpretation of Thor.  Made some slight changes to make it more believable, but otherwise was very comicy in other parts.

I suppose. :) I guess I'm just realizing that most of the live action superhero films of recent years aren't as memorable to ME as their comicky forbears :P I remember reading an interview of Courtnall6 on the FRP website and thinking "YES, someone is thinking the same way I am:"

"It's funny. I remember dying to see live action films of superheroes be made when I was little. Now I often wish they would just stop making them. The amount of damage that  Hollywood has done to the comic industry is staggering. For some reason, everything that Hollywood screws up... leather x-men, S-Belt Superman, rubber Batman, organic web shooters, bullseye forehead scar, and Jessica Alba... current writers and artists can't wait to drag that kind of crap into their comics. Instead of celebrating the things they can do that Hollywood can't... they hyper realize everything, so it looks just as stupid as it does on the big screen. End of rant."

The thing about most of that "damage" is that it doesn't matter.  Trivial costume details like S-belts and headwings neither help nor hinder good storytelling.  Even larger costume changes like leather X-men or rubber Batman rarely matter (iconic costumes are important; Superman needs to look like Superman, and rubber Batman still looked like Batman - the X-men don't have iconic costumes) to an actual story.  Casting matters, I'll grant you that - and while there has been some serious miscasting, there has also been some inspired choices in the recent crop of superhero films.

Quote from: Talavar on October 12, 2011, 07:17:47 PM
The thing about most of that "damage" is that it doesn't matter.

To some people it does. I actually surprise myself with my own critiques because I'm hardly a purist or an expert on comics in general (historically speaking.)

QuoteEven larger costume changes like leather X-men or rubber Batman rarely matter (iconic costumes are important; Superman needs to look like Superman, and rubber Batman still looked like Batman - the X-men don't have iconic costumes)

I'd say Wolverines yellow and black/blue is pretty iconic, but that may be due to his being the most popular and well known x-man and consequently getting so much (too much?) exposure. The others, perhaps not quite so much.

I agree that costume details don't usually make a big difference when it comes to storytelling.

Of course some people have issues with the stories too. Most people seem to agree that something is lost in translation when you try to make these classic comic book stories "realistic." (Dark phoenix being turned into Jean's actual psyche instead of a separate entity, for instance.) I get why writers and producers feel they have to do it- what works on paper may just seem stupid if you try to copy it with real people and and sets- but it's really hard to make a blending of the old and new "work" with a lot of stuff feeling like it's just shoe-horned in for fan service and stories being re-written almost just for the sake of re-writing them (origins: wolverine anyone?) I just feel a real lack of retrospective charm in a lot of this recent live action stuff.... I just watched the trailer for 2012 spiderman and though I applaud the use of comic story elements like mechanical web shooters and Peter Parkers past history it all seemed weirdly dark and brooding for a spiderman film. Ah well.

Honestly, I feel like movies have become more and more like the comics as things have moved on... Ever since Marvel Studios started up, we've seen a shift from movies that are good, but only very loosely based on the source material (X-men, Batman Begins, Spiderman) to movies that have given us characters that could have jumped right from the pages of the comics (Iron Man, Captain America, Thor). Even the ones that still aren't have either bombed (Wolverine, GL) or are soon ending, to be replaced with more accurate interpretations (TDKR)

Besides, it's been my contention that outside media has ALWAYS influenced how comics were written, from Cartoons (X-23 and Firestar anyone?) right back to radio and Superman's earliest stories. Kryptonite and even the Daily Planet were originally created for the Superman radio series, and didn't appear in the comics at all until the stories became popular. We may dislike certain aspects of the movies seeping in, but it is by no means anything new... it's happened for practically every interpretation of the characters.

Quote from: Tomato on October 13, 2011, 12:32:07 AM
Honestly, I feel like movies have become more and more like the comics as things have moved on... Ever since Marvel Studios started up, we've seen a shift from movies that are good, but only very loosely based on the source material (X-men, Batman Begins, Spiderman) to movies that have given us characters that could have jumped right from the pages of the comics (Iron Man, Captain America, Thor). Even the ones that still aren't have either bombed (Wolverine, GL) or are soon ending, to be replaced with more accurate interpretations (TDKR)

Besides, it's been my contention that outside media has ALWAYS influenced how comics were written, from Cartoons (X-23 and Firestar anyone?) right back to radio and Superman's earliest stories. Kryptonite and even the Daily Planet were originally created for the Superman radio series, and didn't appear in the comics at all until the stories became popular. We may dislike certain aspects of the movies seeping in, but it is by no means anything new... it's happened for practically every interpretation of the characters.

It does seem that way.

Wolverine didn't "bomb." The fans just didn't like it.

Would you guys like it better if Thor looked like this:

http://www.ferretpress.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Film_Thor_VS_Hulk.jpg

Quote from: JeyNyce on October 13, 2011, 01:20:14 PM
Would you guys like it better if Thor looked like this:

http://www.ferretpress.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Film_Thor_VS_Hulk.jpg

YES!

  :lol:

alot of opinion also has to do with comic company preference. some people will shoot down the other company's movies or character looks just because they like DC better or vice versa. ive noticed this alot in discussions. i may be a true blue MARVEL fan but i dont let that sway my opinion. from what ive seen so far with the AVENGERS footage...it looked awsome. i'll probably think the same thing when the JLA hits the big screen. :)

I read in a couple of forums that Thor should have been played by Tyler Mane and Cap by Hemsworth. Would have been interesting to see how that would have played out. Mane has the square jaw and size and Hemsworth clean shaven, might have made a good Cap.

Quote from: captmorgan72 on October 13, 2011, 02:12:36 PM
I read in a couple of forums that Thor should have been played by Tyler Mane and Cap by Hemsworth. Would have been interesting to see how that would have played out. Mane has the square jaw and size and Hemsworth clean shaven, might have made a good Cap.

Interesting as a cautionary example maybe.  Wrestlers whose biggest parts are non or barely speaking roles shouldn't be cast as leads in major superhero movies.  That combined with the fact that Hemsworth was the best part of Thor (and Chris Evans was great as Captain America) means that this would have been a terrible idea.

Casting inspired by physical resemblance first and actual talent a distant second is a bad idea.

Quote from: Previsionary on October 13, 2011, 02:22:52 AM
Wolverine didn't "bomb." The fans just didn't like it.

Don't get me wrong, I liked BOTH GL and Wolverine (I even defended GL over on ToF) but neither one was well received. I think we're finally getting to a point where moviemakers can't get away with just a showy action movie with unnescessary changes to the source material. The films that have come out have proven you can do something accurate to the comics and not have it look silly on screen. I mean really, if you can make people understand and accept the concept of Thor, you don't really need to be conservative with Green Lantern

For me the problem with Wolverine Origins is that they wrote out all of the charisma that Hughe Jackman brought to Logan. His character was just so serious, sad and boring in it. Also the wirework was a little floaty but that is a bit of a nitpick for action fans.

For me Chris Hemsworth is a great thor for the same reasons, he is really entertaining, charismatic and looked great in action scenes. I also prefer the brash and bon vivant thor, it is just more fun. Still they really captured that "Kirby Crackle" ™ by making him this cool sci-fi space god rather than the norse mythos one.

I cant wait to see him in the Avengers...


Quick note on Hale Berry: she is a great actress but she was given almost nothing to do with Storm and honestly all the fan backlash was against her complaining about that, which is understandable to some degree. She basically wanted it to be Storm and the X-Men, which I would be happy to watch, but that is not the script she signed up for.

Quote from: Tomato on October 13, 2011, 03:33:13 PM

Quote from: Previsionary on October 13, 2011, 02:22:52 AM
Wolverine didn't "bomb." The fans just didn't like it.

Don't get me wrong, I liked BOTH GL and Wolverine (I even defended GL over on ToF) but neither one was well received. I think we're finally getting to a point where moviemakers can't get away with just a showy action movie with unnescessary changes to the source material. The films that have come out have proven you can do something accurate to the comics and not have it look silly on screen. I mean really, if you can make people understand and accept the concept of Thor, you don't really need to be conservative with Green Lantern

So... essentially what I said but in long form. It didn't "bomb." The fans just didn't like it. Wolverine made over 2 times its purported budget. That's a statement of fact, not opinion.

I also agree with Lugaru about  Halle/Storm. Storm and most of the X-men did VERY little of importance in all three X-movies. That said, Halle is not what I'd imagine as a Storm type, so I still consider that a miscast.

I also think Halle Berry was miscast as Storm, and a big part of her issues with the part is that, between X-men 1 and 2, Halle Berry became much more famous, but was already contractually obligated to appear.  Remember, for X1 they were casting a lot of parts on a tight budget, and Berry wasn't as famous at the time.

Quote from: JeyNyce on October 13, 2011, 01:20:14 PM
Would you guys like it better if Thor looked like this:

http://www.ferretpress.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Film_Thor_VS_Hulk.jpg

:thumbdown:  AAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!
I could of used more Hulk in the trailer.

QuoteI could of used more Hulk in the trailer.

Me too, and it would have been nice to see the whole group together at least once. I hope they dont center it on iron man too much.

One of the reasons I think we're still seeing very little Hulk is because the movie is still 7 months away, and the Hulk's CGI is much more complicated to get looking good than Iron Man's.

 i hope to see a little HULK V.S the rest of the team.

Man, this shot of Chris next to Robert looks really great. Does he look like Steve Rogers or what? Also, I thought he looked smaller, not anymore. The dude is stacked. http://movies.ign.com/dor/objects/769931/the-avengers/images/avengers-cap-stark-800_1318275370.html

Quote from: captmorgan72 on October 16, 2011, 03:58:41 PM
Man, this shot of Chris next to Robert looks really great. Does he look like Steve Rogers or what? Also, I thought he looked smaller, not anymore. The dude is stacked. http://movies.ign.com/dor/objects/769931/the-avengers/images/avengers-cap-stark-800_1318275370.html

That is a really great shot.

Quotei hope to see a little HULK V.S the rest of the team.

That would be cool. It would be funny to see, in live action, something similar to what they did in the recent avengers animated series, with Thor and Hulk getting along very poorly at first and going at it a couple times.

Quote from: BentonGrey on September 08, 2011, 02:34:19 PM
Yeah, I still think that the problem with Norton came down to money, and Marvel really should have just shoved enough money at the guy to make the problem go away.  He's an amazing actor, and he did a suitably amazing job.

Nope. Norton wanted script approval (he wound up re-writing a significant chunk of The Incredible Hulk, apparently) and Joss wasn't going to give it to him.

Well, Incredible Hulk turned out great, so maybe he had a point.  Either way, I'm extremely sad that they didn't manage to bring him back as Banner.

Quote from: BentonGrey on November 06, 2011, 08:24:34 PM
Well, Incredible Hulk turned out great, so maybe he had a point.  Either way, I'm extremely sad that they didn't manage to bring him back as Banner.

Do you think the people care more about Banner or Hulk?  I think that's why they didn't want to work with Norton.

Quote from: JeyNyce on November 06, 2011, 10:26:00 PM

Quote from: BentonGrey on November 06, 2011, 08:24:34 PM
Well, Incredible Hulk turned out great, so maybe he had a point.  Either way, I'm extremely sad that they didn't manage to bring him back as Banner.

Do you think the people care more about Banner or Hulk?  I think that's why they didn't want to work with Norton.

What's one without the other?  I certainly enjoyed the awesome Hulk action in the movie, but Norton's scenes as Banner are what made the movie more than just dumb action.

To be perfectly honest, I'm fine with Norton's replacement in this case (though I'd have wanted him back for actual Hulk movies) just because I think that Avengers had more than enough ego in it as is. Don't get me wrong, the cast is great, but from a working perspective I imagine it's hard enough fitting Downey into an ensemble flick without he and Norton butting heads over screen time and such.

Quote from: BentonGrey on November 06, 2011, 08:24:34 PM
Well, Incredible Hulk turned out great, so maybe he had a point.  Either way, I'm extremely sad that they didn't manage to bring him back as Banner.

With any other writer he might have had a point. With Joss Whedon, not so much.

international footage. Not in english, but shows off some more footage:

http://io9.com/5869313/the-avengers-international-trailer-shows-off-new-scenes-from-whedons-big-picture

Man, I sure have seen a whole lot of Captain America sans mask.

I was just saying to somebody the other day how I hate when they cast known actors as fully masked superheroes, and then those actors don't want to wear the mask. It's just so off putting to me, seeing them in full costume but without the mask. Heck, even seeing Thor without his helmet bugs me and I, admittedly, kinda liked that movie.

But anyhow, fanboy complaints aside, I'm still pretty jazzed about this whole thing.

I don't mind it so much in this case, since his identity is hardly a big secret.  I mean the US Army went and publicized it during WWII, so it's not like anyone who does the basic research can't figure it out, assuming they get over the whole should be in his 90s thing.

Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on December 25, 2011, 04:15:07 AM
I don't mind it so much in this case, since his identity is hardly a big secret.  I mean the US Army went and publicized it during WWII, so it's not like anyone who does the basic research can't figure it out, assuming they get over the whole should be in his 90s thing.

That's not even mentioning how often Steve used to and still does walk around without a mask on when he's not on a mission (and even that doesn't stop him these days). I don't see it as a huge deal for him. It's been a long time since he's used his mask as something to hide his identity. Also, who's to say it was Evans decision to not wear it? A lot of that may actually be in the script, as was the case with Thor.

Nah, it's not even about, "He's not protecting his secret identity, OMG!"
I mean, okay, in most super hero movies... what the heck? Like, Spider-Man? Granted, who the heck even knows who Peter Parker is, but at least half of New York in the movies should know what Spider-Man looks like sans mask.

Still, like I said, it isn't about that... It's about when I see masked characters, I see them with the mask on. Type "Captain America" into google images. How many pictures are him in his uniform with his mask down? If he's having an Avengers meeting, maybe, but in battle?

I don't even like seeing Hawkeye without a mask. What is that? At the very least a pointy domino mask.

I just want my super heroes to wear masks.

Russian trailer with a few more scenes (English annotations): http://youtu.be/u61haLePr_M

I know its a small detail but Thor is not a half god. Are they confusing him with Hercules?

The Hawkeye thing does bother me a bit.  I agree with Unko, they could have done SOMETHING to at least nod to his costume.  Despite that, this movie looks like pure, unbridled awesomeness.  I cannot WAIT to see this movie. :D

I'm ok with Hawkeye.  His costume doesn't translate well, so I can handle the changes fine without any rage.  However, him having a pair of purple tech glasses - ie M:I4 or TDKR's Catwoman would have been more than suitable to replace any kind of mask.

-RTT

Quote from: captmorgan72 on December 31, 2011, 05:03:56 PM
I know its a small detail but Thor is not a half god. Are they confusing him with Hercules?

I believe they call him a demigod in the English.  While not technically accurate, it's more representative of his power-level than just calling him a god would be.

Yep, I think that's about the size of it Talavar.

The only reason I can see with Hawkeye not wearing a mask is that he uses a bow & arrow.  You need to have a clear sight of what you're shooting at, so a mask would just get in the way of that.  I know HollyWood can "fix" stuff like that, but I guess they wanted to make it more believable.

Ok, so... resurrecting this thread because I've come across something that really rubbed me the wrong way.

So, you guys know me fairly well. I'm not normally the guy who b****es about the costumes or anything because, overall, I feel like they've gotten enough RIGHT on these films that I can overlook Hawkeye's lack of wolverine-mask or CA's lack of wingtips... I feel like the movie costumes look pretty awesome overall so I overlook these issues. However, there's one costume that I've been seeing a bit of lately and I must confess... I hate it. Whose costume could be so terrible that I, the guy who has done nothing but defend the costumes from before the movie came out, would hate it? None other then the Incredible Hulk.

Not the CG model mind you. That looks ok, if maybe a little too Ape-like for me personally. No, it's his outfit. It's absolutely horrid.

"Um... Tomato? Hulk just has ripped up pants. WTF are you going on about?"

Well, apparently, all evidence to the contrary... there is a way to eff up the Hulk's simple attire. Every piece of merchandise I've seen has Hulk in these near-white khaki pants that clash so badly with the mud-green of his skin. I look at that, and all I just want to shake the character designer. Put him in blue jeans, put him in a shade of khakis that DON'T clash with the green skin, put him in black pants, I don't care. It's like they just went out of their way to find the one color that would clash epically on every piece of merchandise they made.

Do I think it will affect the movie? probably not. I doubt we'll see the hulk clearly enough for long enough that it'll really be noticeable. But it just torques me that everything hulk-related I see coming out makes me want to wash my eyes out with soap. It's the friggin HULK. it's not that hard to get it right, jebus.

Quote from: Tomato on February 01, 2012, 02:53:12 AM
Well, apparently, all evidence to the contrary... there is a way to eff up the Hulk's simple attire. Every piece of merchandise I've seen has Hulk in these near-white khaki pants that clash so badly with the mud-green of his skin. I look at that, and all I just want to shake the character designer. Put him in blue jeans, put him in a shade of khakis that DON'T clash with the green skin, put him in black pants, I don't care. It's like they just went out of their way to find the one color that would clash epically on every piece of merchandise they made.

I'm guessing the logic is that whatever he is wearing at the time he turns in the movie (which might be a pair of khaki pants) will be what is ripped up on the Hulk figure. 

Personally, I never got why the Hulk always wound up in the ripped purple pants regardless of what he was wearing when he changed.

It fluctuated from artist to artist, but I read a bit in Wizard that explained it a bit... Basically the gamma radiation from "Hulking out" affects certain common clothing dyes and turns them purple.

That said, it's all moot here... it isn't like they didn't have a choice as to what whatshisface would be wearing as Banner. They gave him his clothes. Someone should have looked at it and been like "hmm those pants don't look good against Hulk's mud-green skin"

The Superbowl Avengers commercial is up at numerous spots around the web.  Interesting stuff!

Here's the official extended one, if the link even works.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=bGt-saFvkNk

Yep it does.  They were handing this out if you "like" their facebook page, but you only need to know the link to see it, so there you go.

This version was way better than the one they show at the Super Bowl.

I have an army

We have a Hulk

Also..

Anybody notice Tony's drinking?  I wonder if they will play on that...

I doubt they will.  Too many heroes and too much to do.  They may bring it up more in Iron Man 3 though, which is being filmed now.

Lots of love for the Hulk in this trailer. I approve. :D

Well, the Hulk is CGI, so this is the first time they really have enough of that done to actually show.  Same with the spacecraft or whatever they are.

I'm just hoping the army is indeed the Skrull.

Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on February 06, 2012, 10:22:33 PM
Well, the Hulk is CGI, so this is the first time they really have enough of that done to actually show.  Same with the spacecraft or whatever they are.

I'm just hoping the army is indeed the Skrull.

Found this exerpt from Empire Magazine via CraveOnline (http://www.craveonline.com/film/articles/181747-no-red-skull-or-skrulls-in-the-avengers).

Quote from: Marvel's Kevin Feige"Who said they were aliens?" he teases. Beings from the Nine Realms, then, ventures Empire? "Closer...It's not Skrulls, I've been clear about that. Beyond that, we want to hide it. The identity of the alien race is not impactful. It exists in the comic books, but we're not setting up the Kree-Skrull war or anything like that."

It's a shame that they aren't Skrulls (which I had heard before, this is just more confirmation of that) and that they aren't setting up the Kree-Skrull war.  I've heard that Skrulls were legally ambiguous between Marvel & Fox (ie. that they were part of the Fantastic Four licence), and their use by Marvel could have led to a lawsuit from Fox.  I really hope they aren't some kind Norse baddie; that turns the Avengers into basically a Thor sequel.

Quote from: MJB on February 06, 2012, 10:32:20 PM

Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on February 06, 2012, 10:22:33 PM
Well, the Hulk is CGI, so this is the first time they really have enough of that done to actually show.  Same with the spacecraft or whatever they are.

I'm just hoping the army is indeed the Skrull.

Found this exerpt from Empire Magazine via CraveOnline (http://www.craveonline.com/film/articles/181747-no-red-skull-or-skrulls-in-the-avengers).

Quote from: Marvel's Kevin Feige"Who said they were aliens?" he teases. Beings from the Nine Realms, then, ventures Empire? "Closer...It's not Skrulls, I've been clear about that. Beyond that, we want to hide it. The identity of the alien race is not impactful. It exists in the comic books, but we're not setting up the Kree-Skrull war or anything like that."

They look more like the Badoon race to me.

I'm just as happy it's not the skrulls personally. The Kree Skrull war is a massive, complex story, and Avengers has enough on its plate without having to begin work on that arc. I don't think it'll be Norse either... the quote says "Closer" when the norse stuff is brought up, which says to me that it might be more accurate than Skrulls, but not that it's what they're doing.

I feel like it'll be something more simplistic... a race or an army (I wouldn't rule out AIM/HYDRA personally) that fans have seen before, but that is relatively one note and can be forgotten if necessary.

I suppose Hydra is possible given it's already been introduced and has been connected to Loki would make sense.

Quote from: spydermann93 on February 06, 2012, 10:45:05 PM
They look more like the Badoon race to me.

Wow... I've been seeing these rumours of a Guardians of the Galaxy movie.

If true, the Badoon would be the perfect race.

Oh, and the Guardians also teamed up with Thor before. And Vance Astro has Captain America's shield.

Well, I'd love to see the Skrulls show up as the villains, but the Badoon would work for me too.  Whatever happens, they could be explained as a race that has connections to the Asgardians given the gods-are-aliens thing from Thor.  That'd be fine by me.  Either way, the trailer looked great, and I continue to grow more and more excited about this movie!

:EDIT: I just watched the trailer again...and it is even more awesome!  Cap looks like himself, which is fantastic.  I mean, the scene where he's got his helmet on in the street....that looks just like Captain America.  That's really great.  The scene after the "We have a Hulk" line is also amazing.  I love that he's jumping up to smash aliens, but one of them just crashes right into him and he barely notices.  This all seems just about right.

Quote from: UnkoMan on February 07, 2012, 04:05:30 PM

Quote from: spydermann93 on February 06, 2012, 10:45:05 PM
They look more like the Badoon race to me.

Wow... I've been seeing these rumours of a Guardians of the Galaxy movie.

If true, the Badoon would be the perfect race.

Oh, and the Guardians also teamed up with Thor before. And Vance Astro has Captain America's shield.

There's a Guardians of the Galaxy movie? :blink:

Well, isn't that a coincidence? :P

hey benton...do you have a link to that footage?

Sure HD, here you go:
http://www.majorspoilers.com/trailer-extended-avengers-trailer

I was rewatching the trailer, and noticed at :31 a very brief shot of the aliens attacking that I hadn't seen before.  It's hard to make them out, but they would seem to be consistent with the badoon.

I really was wondering about that proposed Guardians movie. It just didn't seem like a franchise that warranted enough attention for a movie. The Rocket Raccoon era team is pretty awesome, but the originals I always found them super ridiculous looking and kind of lame (granted, I didn't know THAT much about them). So Badoon makes sense...

Or! Looking at them again they look insectoid to me. Possibly a negative zone army? Where exactly did Loki get shunted to, eh? Just throwing it out there.

That's funny to this day I always say when are the bringing back the original guardians.  I just finished reading the whole series again.  Comon a raccoon and a dog and a stick.  That's ridiculous.

Quote from: UnkoMan on February 09, 2012, 05:40:11 PM
I really was wondering about that proposed Guardians movie. It just didn't seem like a franchise that warranted enough attention for a movie. The Rocket Raccoon era team is pretty awesome, but the originals I always found them super ridiculous looking and kind of lame (granted, I didn't know THAT much about them). So Badoon makes sense...

Or! Looking at them again they look insectoid to me. Possibly a negative zone army? Where exactly did Loki get shunted to, eh? Just throwing it out there.

Annihilus attacks?

Sounds good to me :P

(http://i.marvelousnews.com/g/albums/Avengers/Mystery_Villain.jpg) -found this awhile back. best we're gonna get for the moment.

I finally got around to watching both Thor and Captain America.  I think both characters work though the Captain America thrust him too quickly into the role of hero.  I would have preferred a little more build up, but I understand they needed to make him legendary much quickly than was necessary for Thor and the fist Iron Man movie.  I still haven't seen the Incredible Hulk, but if the writing remains consistent with Captain America, Thor, and the Iron Man movies, I think this will prove to be a really good movie.

Incredible Hulk is as good as all the rest. I think it may be one of my favorites and I have never been a Hulk reader.

Yeah, IH is pretty great.  It is definitely of a comparable quality with the rest.

A new Avengers trailer is up, all over the interwebs, and I like this one quite a bit.  We see hints of the team's story arc, going from distrust and outright antagonism to working together as a team - I particularly like the shot of...

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Hulk leaping to catch Iron Man

That seems to be everybody's favorite part  :thumbup:

It's here, for those that are curious:
http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/marvel/avengers/

AWESOME!  I continue to be very excited about this....although, having to wait until May might just kill me. 

Yeah, I think this one gives us a lot better idea of what's happening.

Marvel, I see your awesome trailer... and raise you one awesome pony adaption (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2bYOF946UxU)

Quote from: BentonGrey on February 29, 2012, 09:49:05 PM
It's here, for those that are curious:
http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/marvel/avengers/

AWESOME!

:drool:

Quote from: BentonGrey on February 29, 2012, 09:49:05 PM
Yeah, I think this one gives us a lot better idea of what's happening.

I'll be curious to know (WARNING: spoiler for those who have not seen Thor ahead)

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how Thor was able to reach Midgård once again, given that Bifröst was smashed to bits toward the end of Thor. (I must add that this was probably the most ridiculous event in that film, given that the bridge's destruction is not meant to occur until Ragnarök.)

ow_tiobe_sb
Phantom Bunburyist and Whirled Braker

In the film Thor however, the legends are just humanity's stories based on the real thing (other-dimensional Asgard) not the literal truth - Bifrost and what happens to it is just one of a host of mythological errors between the film and the actual myths (and the comics themselves aren't any better in this regard).

Quote from: Tomato on March 01, 2012, 05:35:32 PM
Marvel, I see your awesome trailer... and raise you one awesome pony adaption (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2bYOF946UxU)

I have to start watch MLP again.  I didn't know there were so much action in it.

http://shirt.woot.com/shirts/the-avegers

That is all.

Tomato approves of that shirt.

aliens? (http://comicbook.com/blog/2012/03/15/new-avengers-movie-scenes-reveal-much-closer-look-at-the-aliens/)

I think its almost certain the aliens are Badoon.

The aliens that Loki recruits are from Beta Ray Bill's race of aliens!!! Look at the new TV trailer and it makes the most sense!

As style points out, rumor has it that the aliens might well be the Korbinites (http://marvel.com/universe/Korbinites), of Beta Ray Bill lore. I have no idea how accurate the armor and stuff is, but based on This shot (http://marvelousnews.com/index.php?catid=23&itemid=14887) I'd say they look pretty darn close to Beta Ray Bill's general facial structure.

Nice. It sure looks like they are Korbinites.

Given that Korbin was destroyed by Surtur, methinks this horde may be comprised of dead Korbinites (hence their unique complexions).  I sense that either a deal with Hela or the use of a cosmic power is afoot (*cough* CUBE! *cough*)...

ow_tiobe_sb
Phantom Bunburyist and Whirled Braker

  One nerdy nitpick,The Korbinites didn't actually look like Beta Ray. He was gene spiced with fierce predators from their world . He can use his hammer to turn back into kind of your classic grey an type alien only gold.

Well, they look neat, and an alien race attached to the Asgardians in some way would make sense.  So, I'm interested to see how it will play out.

A bit of new stuff. http://www.iwatchstuff.com/2012/04/new-avengers-spots-captain-america-deman.php

Steamtek is right on, the Korbinites didn't look anything like Beta Ray Bill.  The resemblence to the Badoon is a little stronger in my mind.  The Korbinites weren't warlike, either, IIRC.  Well, they can be called whatever in the movie, I don't care.

http://www.vibe.com/post/scarlett-johansson-fights-enemies-new-marvel-avengers-trailer-132358

:spoiler: The Black Widow as portrayed in Iron Man 2 was impressive, but I didn't think she was necessarily Avengers quality when compared to Iron Man, Hulk, Thor, and Captain America.  This little trailer is changing my mind that maybe she is there for more than as eye candy.:spoiler:

I wonder how much of that was her and how much was a stunt double?  Anyway, I'm glad they made her tough and not a damsel in distress.

Yeah, that whole scene seems designed to sell her as a competent Avenger.

Well, I thought that was already established in the Iron Man movies. She is one of the most dangerous humans on the planet.

Who would win in a fight b/t Buffy and Black Widow? (http://jezebel.com/5901129/joss-whedon-weighs-in-on-buffy-vs-the-avengers-natasha-romanoff)

Quote from: Previsionary on April 12, 2012, 04:12:19 AM
Who would win in a fight b/t Buffy and Black Widow? (http://jezebel.com/5901129/joss-whedon-weighs-in-on-buffy-vs-the-avengers-natasha-romanoff)

the audience.

avengers after credits scene leaked online

QuoteAfter credits scene:

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Nick Fury enters his office in the dark only to be greeted by SOMEONE sitting in his chair.

MYSTERY MAN: Good job, "Director Fury".

FURY: I was only obeying YOUR orders...Sir.

MYSTERY MAN lights a cigar and we see his face finally revealed by the flame. Piercing blue eye stares directly into the camera. It is THE REAL NICK FURY played once again by DAVID HASSELHOFF. A smile begins to form on his face.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/0b/N_Fury.jpg/220px-N_Fury.jpg)

Movie ends.  :P

A pox on you for even mentioning that film.

Bleeding Cool (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/04/12/so-finally-know-who-lokis-alien-army-but-does-matter/) claims Loki's army will be the Chitauri, the Ultimate version of the Skrulls.

Yeah, I agree with the article on this one: Ultimately, who they are didn't really matter. Even from what little we saw in the previews, it was clear that the movie had very little to do with them, it's all about Loki and his shenanigans bringing the Avengers together. Really, these guys could have been the magical alien leprechauns from mars and it wouldn't make one iota of difference to the plot.

Cap and Thor fighting the aliens. I find it odd that Thor does a better job deflecting enemy fire with his hammer than Cap does with his shield.
http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/news/a376370/the-avengers-exclusive-thor-captain-america-battle-aliens-video.html

Well...I can't say that makes me happy.  I mean, if you're going to use the Skrulls, why not just use the Skrulls?  I'd vastly prefer that, but in the end, is this going to hurt the movie?  No, it just is added to that very small list of things that irk me, like Hawkeye's non-costume and Thor's lack of a helmet.  I'm sure the movie would still be awesome, but I wish they'd stop dipping into the polluted well that is the Ultimates.

Except that they were specifically AVOIDING using the Skrulls for what I consider to be very valid reasons... there is just so much history and so much depth to both the Skrull and the Kree empires that they didn't have the space. There's just so much going on in Avengers already that they just didn't have the time to do the Skrull empire justice, and I don't think any of us would have been happy if they had relegated one of the more complex alien races in comics to "invading alien army #12390.2" for the sake of some pointless fan service. I'd rather they do that to an alien race that doesn't actually matter than to potentially waste the Skrulls now and forever remove the possibility of a better Skrull story arc being told later on.

If they do turn out to be the Chitauri, I wouldn't be surprised if legal issues were part of it.  Fox could well argue (legally) that the Skrulls were included in the Fantastic Four licensing package, and hold up the movie (or demand a pay-off to let it slide).

*Shrug* True 'Mato, but it wouldn't have broken my heard for us to see the Skrulls handled very generally, as they wouldn't be the main focus of this movie.  Tal makes a good point though.

I don't think it's an issue, truthfully... it's all murky but from what little Marvel's media peeps have said on the subject, apparently they do still own the rights to the Skrull race (one report I found said that Fox does own Super Skrull as part of the FF license, but that's it). But again, there have been several interviews with Joss Whedon where he's been asked about the Skrulls thing, and his answer is almost always some variant of "we didn't have time to develop a race like the Skrulls or Kree properly, which is why we didn't go with them"

But again, this is all moot because

Quote from: Tomato on April 13, 2012, 04:46:29 AM
...it's all about Loki and his shenanigans bringing the Avengers together. Really, these guys could have been the magical alien leprechauns from mars and it wouldn't make one iota of difference to the plot.

Personally, I think the Chitauri are just about perfect for this.  They are a comic book race that no one is particularly attached to, but they still can be sufficiently threatening without taking the focus off Loki. In other words, they are perfect for generic faceless mooks without anyone getting upset about Joss making up new ones or anything like that.  The Skrull proper can still be brought in at a later time.  My guess is that they will be brought in during an individual hero's film, giving sufficient time to develop them before they become a major threat for a future Avengers installment.

Ehh, like I said, it is a minor quibble.  I understand the logic of the decision, and I don't say that it doesn't have merit, but all-in-all, I just cringe at Ultimates content.  Anyway, I'm still sure the movie is going to be awesome!

Hard to believe The Avengers will be playing nationwide in just a few weeks!

My guess is that the plot will probably be pretty meager and formulaic:

Act 1: Nick Fury tries to convince all the Alpha Males to work together as a team; chaos and hilarity ensue. Loki helps sow seeds of dissent.
Act 2: ALIENS INVADE EARTH!!!  Avengers get their collective butts kicked pretty good.  Loki enjoys the light show.
Act 3: The heroes realize they need each others' strengths (plus Hulk) to save the world; thus they succeed.   Loki gets ticked but swears revenge.

That said, the actual merit of the plot matters little to me at this point.  I just want to see the All-Star cast in action.  This is probably the biggest cinema crossover since Abbott & Costello Meet Frankenstein.  I'll worry about plot in Iron Man 3 and the inevitable Avengers sequel.

That doesn't match what those who have seen it are saying, winters.  To say they are raving about it is an understatement.

Also, Joss whedon is involved. That man cares about story (even if it's not always good).

Many are complaining that too much footage is being released. I disagree, I think that just enough is to wet our appetites.

Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on April 16, 2012, 09:06:20 PM
That doesn't match what those who have seen it are saying, winters.  To say they are raving about it is an understatement.

Well, then, that will be the ultimate bonus for me!  Like I said, I'll enjoy it regardless of story.  But a great story might put me into a state of unbridled bliss!

And, yes, I really owe Joss Whedon the benefit of the doubt.  That guy has some real creative talent.

New picture of Hulk. http://spinoff.comicbookresources.com/2012/04/13/the-avengers-star-mark-ruffalo-wants-his-own-hulk-movie/

Hey, that's classy, Ruffalo asked Norton if it was alright with him for the former to take the role.

Thor vs Ironman

Spoiler

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/avengers-clip-iron-man-thor-30468.html

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The reason why some comics EXPLODE in popularity is when we get to see heroes fight!  Civil War, AvX, Superman vs Marvel.. I'm gonna love this movie more than life!

When posting the above clip on my FB page, I came across a link to some "B-roll" behind the scenes camera stuff.  I don't think it's been shared.

Pretty packed with a lot of new stuff:

Spoiler

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjdaBRo0ZdU

I'm at the point with Avengers where I don't want to see any more, at least until I can see the whole movie.  It's only 2 weeks....

I am totally amazed how much has been released already. I don't think I have seen more scenes from a movie that hasn't been released yet, as I have with Avengers.

Here's a Black Widow featurette.  Some stuff we may have seen, some stuff we probably didn't.

Spoiler

http://bcove.me/l09fbgka

i have seen the avengers and it ****ing amazing.

seriously i couldn't find a fault with this movie, great humor, superb action and the not a single character was left out

the hulk was superb,

Spoiler

him just completely destroying loki was genius, hmm puny god

the audience i was with loved nearly everything

the only thing i came out annoyed about

Spoiler

coulson nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on April 26, 2012, 11:16:10 PM
i have seen the avengers and it ****ing amazing.

seriously i couldn't find a fault with this movie, great humor, superb action and the not a single character was left out

the hulk was superb,

Spoiler

him just completely destroying loki was genius, hmm puny god

the audience i was with loved nearly everything

the only thing i came out annoyed about

Spoiler

coulson nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

All of this is unfortunate, because now I must hate you.

Only one week now.

Of course, I probably won't get to go on the opening weekend :(

I hope i can watch the movie this weekend. Seeing how TUE likes it, i'm expecting the movie to be a fun ride. :cool:

Quote from: Outcast on April 27, 2012, 04:27:43 PM
I hope i can watch the movie this weekend. Seeing how TUE likes it, i'm expecting the movie to be a fun ride. :cool:

UE also liked Ghost Rider enough to spend money on Ghost Rider 2. Keep that in mind, 'Casty.

Quote from: Previsionary on April 27, 2012, 06:03:56 PM

Quote from: Outcast on April 27, 2012, 04:27:43 PM
I hope i can watch the movie this weekend. Seeing how TUE likes it, i'm expecting the movie to be a fun ride. :cool:

UE also liked Ghost Rider enough to spend money on Ghost Rider 2. Keep that in mind, 'Casty.

lies all lies, i got into GR2 for free and still felt i deserved a refund

Unfortunately, I actually paid for that... :banghead:

 :)...I was tempted to mention here that i gave Ghost Rider 2 a chance and watched it....but man....i hate to say this....Nicholas Cage just ain't fit to play Ghost Rider, his interpretation of Ghost Rider just seemed really way off to me (putting it lightly). :( Didn't even finish the movie to be honest. :blink:

Well,it's rare to see TUE (or most of the guys here ) happy with the superhero movies they've watched. So...I'm sure Avengers will be great or will not suck at least like GR2. :)

The good news is, with Ghost Rider 2's horrible reception, they might just give up on any more movies and let the rights revert to Marvel.  Unfortunately, it was profitable and was a low budget movie to begin with, so it might not happen.

Saw the avengers twice this weekend, first with my geek friends in IMAX 3d, then again the next night with my new girlfriend. (had to pretend it was first time seeing it) let's just say I had a fantastic weekend.
I absolutely loved it, and might even see it a third time in the thater next weekend.

Marvel has done a really special thing here with the lead up of five previous movies.
I REALLY want to see a spinoff prequel now with Hawkeye and black widow.

Quote from: detourne_me on April 29, 2012, 06:39:29 PM
Marvel has done a really special thing here with the lead up of five previous movies.
I REALLY want to see a spinoff prequel now with Hawkeye and black widow.

Yes! I will co-sign the idea of a Hawkeye & Black Widow movie! They deserve some love. :P

Quote from: Previsionary on April 29, 2012, 11:50:06 PM

Quote from: detourne_me on April 29, 2012, 06:39:29 PM
Marvel has done a really special thing here with the lead up of five previous movies.
I REALLY want to see a spinoff prequel now with Hawkeye and black widow.

Yes! I will co-sign the idea of a Hawkeye & Black Widow movie! They deserve some love. :P

Give the man something resembling a costume and I'm all for it.

So, Wikipedia has full details of the entire plot on The Avengers(2012 film) page.  I clicked on it to check out some of the production info, but after realizing that the "plot" wasn't just a overview like it was a few weeks ago, it took all I had to resist reading it, including and especially the after credits scene.  Unfortunately, my willpower isn't as strong as I would hope and I read the first bit of the first and last phrase before I threw my iPad across the room.

Spoiler

Needless to say, Nick Fury was right when he said, "You've become part of a bigger universe, you just don't know it."

The after credits scene was great.
It was pretty funny though, when i was with my new gf and the movie ended, a lot of the audience got up to leave (Koreans), and I mentioned under my breath something like "Haven't you guys seen a marvel movie before?"
Well my girl overheard me and said, "I just heard someone say that in Korean too!"
It feels pretty good that there are other superhero fans around the world that "get" what the marvel movies are about.

Quote from: Outcast on April 27, 2012, 11:15:51 PM

Well,it's rare to see TUE (or most of the guys here ) happy with the superhero movies they've watched. So...I'm sure Avengers will be great or will not suck at least like GR2. :)

i actually enjoy and own quite a few of the recent superheros right back to blade, its just some of the design choices and changes that annoy me.

hell me and c6 have come to blows on here at times, usually with me defending the films

Sorry about that. Guess i tend to remember the negative reviews/feedback more. :doh:

I was able to watch the Avengers movie. I thought it was ok. The pace of the movie seemed pretty fast and there were enough action scenes to give every Avenger their moment in the spotlight. The movie also had it's share of funny moments too. But somehow i didn't think it was really that great a movie though. I dunno.

Spoiler

Maybe it's because they won so easily. :P :unsure:

Whoops...Edited to add a spoiler... :P :doh: :)

Quote from: Outcast on May 03, 2012, 02:33:31 PM
Maybe it's because they won so easily. :P :unsure:

Spoiler! Spoiler! You ruined the movie for me! jk  :D

Welp, that was an awesome movie.

I've got tickets for 1120-something this morning. I can't wait.

i will say one thing and one thing only, do not look at the spoiler until you have seen the movie, when you have enjoy

Spoiler

meh puny god

Don't get me wrong, I thoroughly enjoyed the movie.  Enjoyed the action.  Enjoyed the dialogue.  Like how they used everyone.  Everything about it.  Can't wait to they to recreat it all in FFVTTR.  But maybe it's four in the morning or Wawa didn't have muffins ready tonight maybe I'm just a little cranky, but there are some things that bother me.

Spoiler

1.  How did Loki go from falling off the Bifrost to standing up hand and hand with Thanos?  Really didn't explain the Chituari and their(Thanos' purpose).  Yes we probably know it bit regular movie goers?  We expect them to know that?

2.  Why wasn't the Hulk consistent with his rage?  First he couldn't control it.  One minute he falls down and starts to hulk out and attac the Black Widow for.  The next he an hulk out.. Whenerver he wants?

3.  Why did Loki get captured?  I know the goal was to fracture the Avengers, but they weren't together yet.  When he gave up it was just Captain America and Iron Man?  Seemed kind od pointless.

Anyway.  I starters writing this a few hours ago.  Took a nap and I don't think I'm as bothered.  Just still a little curious.

Just watched it. about to go to bed (don't ask, sleep schedule is bizzaro right now), but I'll try to be at least somewhat coherent in discussion thingie.

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1. At one point in the movie they make mention of the Chituari finding Loki adrift in space, which is more or less where he was at the end of Thor. The Chituari are relatively straightforward... they want to conquer things, which has NOTHING to do with Thanos other then their boss saying "Dude, you don't want to mess with these people, they just handed me my tucas."

As for not explaining who Thanos is to audiences? Er, I assume that's what the next few movies will be about. They didn't exactly explain Nick Fury at the end of Iron Man, or the Cosmic Cube at the end of Thor, or Mjolnir at the end of IM2. We're talking prime sequel territory here.

2. This confused me as well, but I discussed it with my father (the man who got me into comics in the first place and who joined me in geeking out over the film) and what we kind of pieced together is this: when Bruce tells Black Widow that his secret is "I'm always angry" he means just that: He's already so angry about the situation he's in that poking him with a stick is small potatoes. So at the end, when he transforms, it's not because he's magically got an on/off button in his brain, it's because he's just unleashing the anger he's always had.

3. Actually, his goal was to make a big show of things for his alien buddies... and for that, having a team of spandex clad heroes to kick around was much more visible and interesting than taking down a few SHIELD agents with cool guns.

Thanks.

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But just note, I also remembered the end(actual end, not post credit end) of the Incredible Hulk.  Guess that had something to do with it.  Still not too sure though.  Anyone happen to know what the comics say about this?  Not too familiar with the character's intricacies. 

Anyway gonna check it again when I get off work.

Awesome film.  Really glad I saw it in 3d.

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the thing with the hulk was simply the same that had iron man and cap wanting to rip each other throats out. loki was messing with they're heads. i mean banner even with out knowing picks up the staff

when he hulks out for the first time, its essentially a loki driven hulk, he's been reduced to the brute. where as later he's back to what he had learned at the end of incredible hulk, the channel the constant anger in to a more controlled driven hulk

least thats how i took it

To Shogunn

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In the comics, Banner did learn how to control his transformations and, as of the last time I read, had almost perfect control over it. Now, it's been a good year plus since I've touched a Hulk book, and that could have all changed again, but that was the development Banner was going through post Hulk Wars.

Ok, I have my tickets for the family for tomorrow night showing.  I'm locking this thread so I can't read any spoilers.  This is for my own good..........

j/k I'll just stay away until tomorrow night..

Yep, we're going tomorrow night too, and yes, the wait is killing me.  I wanted to go to the midnight showing, but no one around here was man enough to go with me.

I'm assuming we need to stay after the credits?

From what I've heard, yes.

ALL the way through :)

I have seen the Avengers.

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I was really impressed with it by the end. The first half felt kinda long, it was good I don't have any real complaints but I was hardly at the edge of my seat. Now the second half where the invasion starts did! That whole sequence was just filled with win. Really loved that one shot with no cuts with each of the Avengers fighting. Lots of laugh out loud moments like Hulk punching away Thor after a break in the fight, and most of what Tony says. I was really impressed with how well they managed the large cast.

Loved Jeremy Renner as Hawkeye. He's not 616 and he's not even Ultimate but he's great as this movie version of Hawkeye. I was really impressed with Ruffalo as Bruce Banner but I've never felt he has the right look for the character, looks good as Hulk though. RDJ was awesome as always.

Coulson's death was lame. Very Whedon. Worked for the story I guess. Honestly I was expecting him to be revealed to be alive in the post credits scenes.

Thanos, now there's a reference non-comics fans won't get. Although some guy behind and to the right of me said pretty loudly something like "Oh my god Thanos!"
And the post credits scene had me laughing all the way out of the theater.

Anyway I liked it and now I with I had a set of MU Avengers movie toys.

Bottom line: Warner Bros, the gauntlet has been thrown.

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Ok i think i missed the funny end credit scenes. I only saw the one with the aliens admitting how powerful the "humans" were to someone who looked like as you guys said..Thanos. Oh man...didn't assume there would be more... :( :banghead: :doh: Can someone fill me in on those?

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Ok i think i missed the funny end credit scenes. I only saw the one with the aliens admitting how powerful the "humans" were to someone who looked like as you guys said..Thanos. Oh man...didn't assume there would be more... :( :banghead: :doh: Can someone fill me in on those?

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It's like a minute long sequence of the Avengers just sitting in a shop eating shawarma in silence after the battle.

 :lol: Thanks Pod. That would have been pretty funny indeed. :P

I just saw this...YES! Now that is a superhero movie! DC better snag Whedon if they want to replicate the awesomeness of Avengers with Justice League!

Now that was a delight!  More like this please.

As to Banner's anger management...

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on the Helicarrier he's trying not to change, he's fighting it - but the stress and anger are too much.  He loses control.  To change on command, like for the final battle, that's no effort at all - he just has to let go, give up the struggle to restrain his rage, and it'll happen.

Wow....just...just wow.  That was so incredibly good....I mean...I'm going to have a very hard time putting together a way to express just how much I enjoyed this film.  The Avengers was just about a perfect movie.  I can't think of anything that I didn't enjoy.  It was amazing.  It was fantastic.  If you haven't seen it, do yourself a favor and go see it now.  I'll post more when I can parse the vast amounts of awesome that I've got swirling around my head.

Best post credit scene ever!  I laughed all the way to the bathroom.

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Outcast: what made the scene so funny is them sitting there around the table in just total beaten down weary silence while the owners are in the back ground cleaning up rubble.  And then about 45 seconds in ,when the silence is getting really painful, they all take a deep breath . . . and pick up their sandwiches and take another bite.  Really, it is just a masterpiece of composition and timing.

I did get why the Hulk was in much worse rage on the helicarrier - all of Loki's manipulation, plus Banner's deep mistrust of SHIELD.  The one bit I don't understand is why Loki couldn't turn Tony?  Because he was tapping him on the arc reactor?

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Quote from: Podmark on May 05, 2012, 11:09:10 PM
Coulson's death was lame. Very Whedon. Worked for the story I guess. Honestly I was expecting him to be revealed to be alive in the post credits scenes.

Same here.. especially when they had Tony say the line "You have reached Tony's Life Model Decoy.. please call again later" when Coulson was trying to contact him. Why even bring LMD's up if they didn't exist already as a S.H.I.E.L.D. tool and Tony was just rubbing it in Colson's face. Would have been a nice foreshadow to hinting about how he might have survived because honestly it would have made total sense for him to send LMD armed with an experimental weapon to face Loki because he knew he would be totally outclassed and outmatched.

I'm probably betting there is a few more alternate endings and among them is Colson casually running into Fury at the end and mentioning that since being attacked by the Destroyer that he kept a LMD on hand just in case. Then Nick telling him that he was going to keep him looking for more potential Avengers instead of field work to keep him hidden and his first task was to find an ant and a wasp.

Besides with news they are doing a S.H.I.E.L.D. movie just for giving fans more Nick Fury (Sam Jackson) action.. then they might as well show flashbacks of Hawkeye and Black Widow in their early missions and bring Coulson back into those flashbacks as well. Would be interesting if they showed how Nick and Coulson worked together before they ended up as agents and then use that in contrast with them finding Hawkeye and Black Widow as assassins and giving them the second chance they need. Maybe have them face Baron Von Strucker as the big bad with him running Hydra after Red Skull vanished which would explain why SHIELD ended up with all of their old technology long after World War II ended.

Quote from: Uncle Yuan on May 06, 2012, 05:11:14 AM
Best post credit scene ever!  I laughed all the way to the bathroom.

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Outcast: what made the scene so funny is them sitting there around the table in just total beaten down weary silence while the owners are in the back ground cleaning up rubble.  And then about 45 seconds in ,when the silence is getting really painful, they all take a deep breath . . . and pick up their sandwiches and take another bite.  Really, it is just a masterpiece of composition and timing.

I did get why the Hulk was in much worse rage on the helicarrier - all of Loki's manipulation, plus Banner's deep mistrust of SHIELD.  The one bit I don't understand is why Loki couldn't turn Tony?  Because he was tapping him on the arc reactor?

Uncle Yuan. Thanks for explaining how the funny end credits scene went down in more detail. I wish i could have seen that. ^_^

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That was another funny scene. Loki trying to turn Tony but couldn't because of the metal plate in his chest. Well, all magics have their weaknesses. Guess it wasn't "designed" to pierce metal or something. :lol:

I saw the movie last night and it was awesome.  Yes it is better than Spider-man and The Dark Knight and is a must see film.  The only thing that scares me is that this movie was so good that I cannot see anyway for Marvel to top this except for Avengers 2.  Iron Man 3 will probably be good, but not as good as the Avengers.  How can it get any better than this except for bringing the whole cast back together again?

Re: Agent Coulson....

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he died because, well, somebody had to.  The Avengers fight off an alien invasion led by a Norse god without a casualty?  Did you really think Joss Whedon was going to make that movie?  But he can't kill off any of the main characters, or Nick Fury.  Introducing Maria Hill just to bump her off would lack much emphasis - the audience hardly knows her.  Coulson was the highest profile character who was still expendable.

Quote from: Outcast on May 06, 2012, 11:27:25 AM

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That was another funny scene. Loki trying to turn Tony but couldn't because of the metal plate in his chest. Well, all magics have their weaknesses. Guess it wasn't "designed" to pierce metal or something. :lol:

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My favorite "funny scene" was when the Hulk fought Loki

Loki: I am a GOD! and I will not be bullied!
Hulk: *picks Loki up and smashes him several times into the ground*
Loki: *staring blankly up towards the ceilings not sure of what just happened as he lays broken on the ground*

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Quote from: Outcast on May 06, 2012, 11:27:25 AM

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That was another funny scene. Loki trying to turn Tony but couldn't because of the metal plate in his chest. Well, all magics have their weaknesses. Guess it wasn't "designed" to pierce metal or something. :lol:

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My favorite "funny scene" was when the Hulk fought Loki

Loki: I am a GOD! and I will not be bullied!
Hulk: *picks Loki up and smashes him several times into the ground*
Loki: *staring blankly up towards the ceilings not sure of what just happened as he lays broken on the ground*

Hilarious...Just saw it and loved it!

This movie was all types of great. It's one of the rare exceptions where the hype was well deserved and didn't diminish my viewing pleasure. Fantastic flick.. can't wait for a sequel with the .......... that was shown during the first "after credits" scene.

I saw it Saturday morning, but have not been able to post anything because... well, I just don't have words. The best comic movie... so far. Hands down, I do not believe anything compares. I know that the wait was hard for some long time fans, but building up with movies before this movie had a huge payoff. They could have never made this movie without the previous movies.

Oh, and for my boy MJB, You are gonna freak out man! Hulk, as you have always wanted to see him! I thought Edward Norton did a good job, but Ruffalo stole the movie if you ask me (which you didn't, but I said it anyway.)

Everyone, hurry and see it so we no longer have to use spoiler tags!

Watched it twice today and it is hands down the greatest superhero/comic movie ever made period. Joss Whedon did such an awesome job with this movie. All of them, including Hawkeye and Blackwidow, have their time. That is what amazed me the most. Each character's role/story was told, so that we cared about all of them and felt their struggles/pain. I absolutely loved Mark Ruffalo's portrayal of Banner/Hulk. I was a little worried about him being cast when I first heard about it, but he was perfect. Everyone of them was utterly fantastic.

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Really loved watching Hulk and Thor trade blows. Thor was holding his own quite well, just like Iron Man was against Thor. Loved the smile on Thor's face too, he was having a good time fighting Hulk. Then later Hulk shows his respect to Thor by punching him, had me laughing til I cried. Also, maybe its because I watch to much Supernatural, but when Thor and Loki was having a discussion about Loki's desire to bring peace to Earth by ruling it, I thought it sounded a lot like a discussion between Michael and Lucifer.

Quote from: captmorgan72 on May 07, 2012, 03:50:54 AM
Watched it twice today and it is hands down the greatest superhero/comic movie ever made period. Joss Whedon did such an awesome job with this movie. All of them, including Hawkeye and Blackwidow, have their time. That is what amazed me the most. Each character's role/story was told, so that we cared about all of them and felt their struggles/pain. I absolutely loved Mark Ruffalo's portrayal of Banner/Hulk. I was a little worried about him being cast when I first heard about it, but he was perfect. Everyone of them was utterly fantastic.

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Really loved watching Hulk and Thor trade blows. Thor was holding his own quite well, just like Iron Man was against Thor. Loved the smile on Thor's face too, he was having a good time fighting Hulk. Then later Hulk shows his respect to Thor by punching him, had me laughing til I cried. Also, maybe its because I watch to much Supernatural, but when Thor and Loki was having a discussion about Loki's desire to bring peace to Earth by ruling it, I thought it sounded a lot like a discussion between Michael and Lucifer.

Agreed!

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One thing  absolutely HATED about the comic movie was the severely depowering of the characters.  Like the Thing barely being able to flip a car or The Silver Surfer not having the Power Cosmic, but his board or The Phoenix being a personality disorder.  By time I saw what the Super Soldier Serum could do in/against The Incredible Hulk and Thor taking on Frost Giants like plastic army men, I saw characters being more true.  But when I saw Iron Man take on Thor, I was thrilled.  I was afraid they'd give Iron Man too much shine at Thor's expense, but he was a complete hardcase.  Head butting a guy in steel armor 30 yards away.  Crushing his armor like a beer can.  Then I see how resourceful Iron Man is and he was no pushover!

The coup de gras for me was Hulk vs Thor!  We all know how much of a beast Hulk is and Thor's fight was done perfectly!  He wasn't invulnerable, he bled, but he was clearly able to match the Hulk blow by blow, strength vs strength.  When he knocked him halfway across the hanger with the mjolinir I literally screamed like I was watching a live football game and Ray Lewis caught some poor wide out coming across the middle!

And the the scenes with them teaming up was priceless, Hulk and Thor taking out the Leviathan, Iron Man powering off Captain America's shield like something straight from Ultimate Alliance!  They made each character and gave them purpose and relevancy.  Awesome, awesome, awesome!

BTW, I remember seeing a theater packed with fanboys Thursday night and thinking this movie is gonna make a bit of money.  The next day when another thwarted was still being sold out forcing me to watch it two showings later than I planned, I thought, this movie is going to reeeaaaaaallly gonna make a TON of money. So, in case you didn't know...

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hFrsBRYqwGp-ugk_62QGE97wsNDA?docId=ef8f035d86ba4d069eb0839e3e1661c2

Saw it.  Loved it.  Words fail me how much I loved it.

But yeah the scene with Hulk and Loki was pure gold. :D  And what Hulk does to Thor right after they fight the bad guys together. 

I have to say that the trailers and teasers I saw previously didn't spoil the movie that much... there were plenty of good scenes left.

Sure, there were lots of niggling little details that I could poke at.  But really, the plot moved fast enough that it didn't really matter that much.

Unfortunately I hadn't realized there were two different teaser clips and left after the big reveal. :(

Yep, I left too after the big reveal. A little searching on the net will show you that last teaser clip though.

Saw it yesterday, after using all of my will power for months to avoid seeing *anything* in this thread.  It was a thing of beauty.  I laughed, I cried, it became a part of me.  I thought the portrayals of what they could do and were capable of were pretty spot-on.  I actually *don't* have any real nitpicks at the moment, other than I didn't really care for Ruffalo's portrayal of Banner.  It just didn't feel like Banner to me, just some guy that was there.  It seems like I'm in the minority about that here, though, but I still liked the *first* Hulk movie, and thought the first Ghost Rider is still semi-watchable, so I'm used to not being in complete agreement with everyone.

Like most people, my favorite scene was

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Loki lying dazed on the floor.  As if the flinging around he just got wasn't hilarious enough, the look on his face sealed the deal on that scene.  My audience was laughing too loud for too long for me to hear the Hulk quote after, but it turns out it was pretty much what I thought it was.   :thumbup:

I know I made more than a few noises during the movie, especially that hammer shot to the chin!  You just can't help but exclaim at scenes like that!

One other thing that bugged me a little bit, when they were all arguing in the helicarrier, I would have liked for someone to have pointed out that they were most likely acting out that much was due to Loki's influence, via the staff.  It just seemed a little out of character for everyone to be letting loose verbally quite so much like that.

My wife and I dropped our daughter off with the in-laws early Saturday morning to make the first showing of the day (10:15). We do not make many movies these days, and this has seemed to be the best time for us. There was a small line, and by the time the movie started (I am a movie nut and have to be there 30+ minutes before showtime to get my preferred seats...My wife makes fun of me for it, but she complies) the theater was fairly full.

When the movie was over and we left, peaople were lined up out the front of the theater and around the corner! And this is a big theater (18 screens and I believe three of them were showing the Avengers). It was crazy. I hear they were sold out ever showing for the rest of the day.

Does anyone know what the projected numbers were? I know what they came to be, but before the movie debuted did they have any idea?

No, they were forecasting significantly lower totals for opening weekend than the $207 million domestic record.  Initial forecasts were putting it more in line with the last Harry Potter's opening, around $160 to 170 million.  Crazy stuff.

Quote from: Panther_Gunn on May 07, 2012, 05:10:08 PM
Saw it yesterday, after using all of my will power for months to avoid seeing *anything* in this thread.  It was a thing of beauty.  I laughed, I cried, it became a part of me.  I thought the portrayals of what they could do and were capable of were pretty spot-on.  I actually *don't* have any real nitpicks at the moment, other than I didn't really care for Ruffalo's portrayal of Banner.  It just didn't feel like Banner to me, just some guy that was there.  It seems like I'm in the minority about that here, though, but I still liked the *first* Hulk movie, and thought the first Ghost Rider is still semi-watchable, so I'm used to not being in complete agreement with everyone.

Like most people, my favorite scene was

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Loki lying dazed on the floor.  As if the flinging around he just got wasn't hilarious enough, the look on his face sealed the deal on that scene.  My audience was laughing too loud for too long for me to hear the Hulk quote after, but it turns out it was pretty much what I thought it was.   :thumbup:

I know I made more than a few noises during the movie, especially that hammer shot to the chin!  You just can't help but exclaim at scenes like that!

One other thing that bugged me a little bit, when they were all arguing in the helicarrier, I would have liked for someone to have pointed out that they were most likely acting out that much was due to Loki's influence, via the staff.  It just seemed a little out of character for everyone to be letting loose verbally quite so much like that.

If we're getting into nitpicking...Cap's costume...hated it. Too far removed from the classic for my taste.

I said the name of the Villian in the 1st teaser when I saw him and got weird looks. No one in my theater knew who he was :(

Quote from: Ares_God_of_War on May 08, 2012, 03:15:18 AM
I said the name of the Villian in the 1st teaser when I saw him and got weird looks. No one in my theater knew who he was :(

Yeah, I got that too. One guy behind me was explaining to his friend that Thor's hammer "bounced" off Captain America's shield because they are both made of the same metal.  :wacko: I didn't correct him, much to the anguish of my cousin who was with me.  :lol:

I'm quite sure I sense a DVD purchase in my future.

I need to pick up the Captain America one anyhow, might as well make it a double feature :)

Three words:

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"Reindeer Games."   :lol:  I watched the film on opening day with my better half and loved most of it--with the notable exception of Agent Coulson's death, which struck me as a premature elimination of an interesting character (no matter what type of teleological spin the film might want to put on that event as a necessary condition for The Avengers to assemble properly).  Of course, it may be that Whedon et al. are setting up a very merry, Marvel comic-style rebirth for the character at a later date: clicky (http://www.craveonline.com/film/articles/173736-clark-gregg-on-the-avengers-marvel-one-shots-iron-man-3-and-more).

I wish I had the leisure to see it again.  :thumbup:

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Phantom Bunburyist and Whirled Braker

That article was really interesting, Tiobe.

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Coulson!  What in the world...haha, I guess Joss lied to him.  I kind of hope he will come back.  I really love the charm that fellow brings to the movies.

In the 'well, duh' department, an Avengers sequel has been officially announced.

Well, I did get to see Avengers this weekend, and I can happily say it is one of the top 5 superhero movies I've seen on the cinema screen.  Nice job to all folks involved.

Everything was good, but I found the actual Chitauri invasion fairly underwhelming.  Loki himself was great, but the aliens were just about as "generic evil creatures" as you can get.  Looking back, my original prediction about the movie's plot wasn't too far off:

Quote from: oldmanwinters on April 16, 2012, 03:10:14 AM

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My guess is that the plot will probably be pretty meager and formulaic:

Act 1: Nick Fury tries to convince all the Alpha Males to work together as a team; chaos and hilarity ensue. Loki helps sow seeds of dissent.
Act 2: ALIENS INVADE EARTH!!!  Avengers get their collective butts kicked pretty good.  Loki enjoys the light show.
Act 3: The heroes realize they need each others' strengths (plus Hulk) to save the world; thus they succeed.   Loki gets ticked but swears revenge.

That said, the actual merit of the plot matters little to me at this point.  I just want to see the All-Star cast in action.  This is probably the biggest cinema crossover since Abbott & Costello Meet Frankenstein.  I'll worry about plot in Iron Man 3 and the inevitable Avengers sequel.

It was still a great movie, and probably one of the most impressive films ever made given the scope of its buildup.  I commend the director, cast (especially), and special effects masters who made this film memorable.

My expectations will be considerably higher for the inevitable sequel, however.  Next time it won't be enough to just to put 7 awesome heroes into the movie and watch them play off each other.  Next time the plot must be truly epic enough to challenge the team at their mature best.  Hopefully,

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Thanos

can deliver!

Quote from: BentonGrey on May 08, 2012, 09:45:54 PM
That article was really interesting, Tiobe.

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Coulson!  What in the world...haha, I guess Joss lied to him.  I kind of hope he will come back.  I really love the charm that fellow brings to the movies.

I suspected reports of

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Coulson's death

might have been greatly exaggerated as well.

The first hint was his line to Fury about how "they need this" (or something like that), and the second clue was the reveal about Fury's theatrics regarding his Cap. America trading cards.  Fury more or less repeated C.'s line.  Very interesting indeed.

Saw tonight at a late showing for about $5.  The only thing I didn't like about the movie was the 3D....I could have done without it.  It's cool that theaters here let you BYOB!

I saw it last night (the theatre was packed) and I loved it! I have to agree it is the best superhero movie made so far. I had my doubts when Whedon's name was attached to it since I'm not a fan of his...but he did a fantastic job on this one.

The Thor/Hulk fight was awesome! See that X-Men 3...see what you missed out on not having Juggernaut fight Colossus!

Still waiting for Thor to yell "I say thee nay!" though. Also, still not liking the "no helmet" thing. His look will always seem laking to me.

Hawkeye's boring costume made sense in the context of the film but I hope that he gets something more visually interesting in A2.

By far the best version of Hulk yet. Now they need to do it right in his own movie.

All in all it had great action, great fun, and is a great movie. :cool:

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Of all the big hits and destruction. The one I think I felt the most was Widow slamming Hawkeye's head into that railing. Ouch.

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Of all the big hits and destruction. The one I think I felt the most was Widow slamming Hawkeye's head into that railing. Ouch.

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I thought the Hulk slamming Loki about was the big Ouch moment...and it was darn AWESOME!!!!!

Quote from: Courtnall6 on May 09, 2012, 05:25:08 PM
The Thor/Hulk fight was awesome! See that X-Men 3...see what you missed out on not having Juggernaut fight Colossus!

THANK YOU! Thank you for saying that!  I agree 1,000% and said as much when I saw it NOT happen in X-Men 3!  How did they NOT have those guys fight?!  That was a totally blown opportunity that the Avengers took FULL advantage of!  I've always wanted to see the two go at it, effectively since I started playing FF and trying to get Thor's strength and invulnerability(or lack thereof) right against a powerhouse like the Hulk!  They got it right IMO! 

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Hawkeye's boring costume made sense in the context of the film but I hope that he gets something more visually interesting in A2.

for the love of god man let it go, let it go

Come on TUE, that's a legitimate point.  I'll say that none of the design choices bothered me at all in the film, but I also hope we'll see Hawkeye begin to look more like himself eventually.  After all, look how amazing Captain America looked!  He was like a comic book brought to life...and that is just so freaking neat!

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Quote from: Courtnall6 on May 09, 2012, 05:25:08 PM

Hawkeye's boring costume made sense in the context of the film but I hope that he gets something more visually interesting in A2.

for the love of god man let it go, let it go

Let what go? A boring design is a boring design.

that maybe be so, but it worked for the style they wanted to shwocase for the character. are you seriously telling me you would have prefer the actual pointy mask

caps worked to a degree because its a simple skull shaped hood, add two big pointy flaps to the front of that and it would look ridiculous

Quote from: BentonGrey on May 09, 2012, 09:24:46 PM
Come on TUE, that's a legitimate point.  I'll say that none of the design choices bothered me at all in the film, but I also hope we'll see Hawkeye begin to look more like himself eventually.  After all, look how amazing Captain America looked!  He was like a comic book brought to life...and that is just so freaking neat!

Sorry Benton, I have to disagree on this one, Cap's costume just felt lacking to me, Hawkeye's too, but Cap's was the real disappointment.

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Quote from: BentonGrey on May 09, 2012, 09:24:46 PM
Come on TUE, that's a legitimate point.  I'll say that none of the design choices bothered me at all in the film, but I also hope we'll see Hawkeye begin to look more like himself eventually.  After all, look how amazing Captain America looked!  He was like a comic book brought to life...and that is just so freaking neat!

Sorry Benton, I have to disagree on this one, Cap's costume just felt lacking to me, Hawkeye's too, but Cap's was the real disappointment.

Cap's costume, specifically the mask part, was not the best looking thing in the movie, guaranteed. I'm pretty sure you were just happy to see him in costume again.

Just finished watching this...again. Still no words to describe the awesomeness of it. But gosh darn, for two hours, this flick makes me feel like a kid again. Magic.

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Quote from: Cyber Burn on May 09, 2012, 10:44:35 PM

Quote from: BentonGrey on May 09, 2012, 09:24:46 PM
Come on TUE, that's a legitimate point.  I'll say that none of the design choices bothered me at all in the film, but I also hope we'll see Hawkeye begin to look more like himself eventually.  After all, look how amazing Captain America looked!  He was like a comic book brought to life...and that is just so freaking neat!

Sorry Benton, I have to disagree on this one, Cap's costume just felt lacking to me, Hawkeye's too, but Cap's was the real disappointment.

Cap's costume, specifically the mask part, was not the best looking thing in the movie, guaranteed. I'm pretty sure you were just happy to see him in costume again.

Yeah, I never thought that I would ever see an Avengers movie in my life, that and the fact that it was just sooo awesome to boot, has made my year.

Quote from: Cyber Burn on May 09, 2012, 11:33:33 PM
Yeah, I never thought that I would ever see an Avengers movie in my life, that and the fact that it was just sooo awesome to boot, has made my year.

Amen!  I've spent these years since they announced it quite intentionally NOT holding my breath...up until recently, but man, did they pull it off!

Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on May 09, 2012, 10:43:52 PM
that maybe be so, but it worked for the style they wanted to shwocase for the character. are you seriously telling me you would have prefer the actual pointy mask

caps worked to a degree because its a simple skull shaped hood, add two big pointy flaps to the front of that and it would look ridiculous

Haha, you're assuming something I haven't said TUE.  I don't necessarily want to see Hawkeye's classic costume appear on screen unchanged...though, if they could throw in a nod to it like they did with Captain America, that would be pretty awesome.  (Hey, Clint could be working as an acrobat in the circus in Avengers 2, either undercover or just to stay hidden, and that would work pretty darn well in that context.)  No, I don't think we necessarily need to see this:
http://marvel-comics.wikispaces.com/file/view/hawkeye.jpg/230643948/hawkeye.jpg
But I do think there is plenty that can be done to nod towards the costume without ending up with something that looks ridiculous.  Cap's costume in the first movie was a reasonable, if somewhat ugly with the gray straps and what not, middle ground.  I don't see why something along those lines is so unreasonable to hope for in the next movie.  I mean, he had a dark purple part on his uniform at the end of this movie, so it isn't like the color won't work.  I mean, I could totally see a slightly more realistic version of the costume on the left of this image working:
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/7/72631/1434083-hawkeye_02_super.jpg
Take away the pointy bits of the mask, let him keep a cowl or a helmet of some sort, make it a bit more tac-gear/high-tech armor-y, tone down the purple to only be the highlights, and you've got something that would work reasonably well, methinks.  Heck, keep mostly the same chest piece, just "costume" it up a bit, and I'd be happy.:
http://www.heromachine.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/hawkeye-movie.jpg
So yeah, I'm not unreasonable TUE, and I've got faith that Marvel, Whedon, and Co. are going to go out of their ways to capture the spirit of the comics, so I imagine we'll see something along these lines in the next film. :D

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Come on TUE, that's a legitimate point.  I'll say that none of the design choices bothered me at all in the film, but I also hope we'll see Hawkeye begin to look more like himself eventually.  After all, look how amazing Captain America looked!  He was like a comic book brought to life...and that is just so freaking neat!

Sorry Benton, I have to disagree on this one, Cap's costume just felt lacking to me, Hawkeye's too, but Cap's was the real disappointment.

Really?  I'm totally surprised by that.  I thought he looked fantastic!  What disappointed y'all?
http://thefilmnest.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/0816-chris-evans-captain-america-avengers-22-480x720.jpg
He looks just like Cap to me, right down to pretty clear headwings, even if they aren't 3D, and I thought he looked great in action. 

I liked the Cap costume in the Captain America movie more.  One thing I couldn't believe though:

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Cap. doubted wearing the stars and stripes?!?!?!?!  Maybe I dropped off a bit at that moment (perhaps reaching for another beer in my bag o goodies), but that was odd.

The movie is cliche and over the top but the awesomeness makes up for it.  I don't think it's the best superhero movie ever...but it's certainly the best superhero team movie ever.

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thalaw, I took it as more or less just part of Cap's whole "doubting his own relevance in the modern world" thing.

Speaking of Cap... I dunno if it's just my own protestant upbringing showing through, but was I the only one who got a chuckle out of Cap's "There's only one God, and he doesn't dress like that" line?

But yeah, I loved this film, I'll be seeing it again next weekend (Sister has the last of the finals for the semester this week, so I'll be going to see it again with her this weekend to celebrate her escape), and... yeah, that's really all I have to say on the matter.

I watched a video review of this movie (does anyone else watch Half in the Bag?) and the stuff they pointed out just made me love this film even more. The big one that I didn't think of: no tacked on love interest. That is my biggest pet peeve in movies especially in superhero movies but here they knew there was no room for it.

On the topic of costumes, I wasn't impressed with Cap either. The design was fine (except the back was oddly bare - really bugged me during the film) but the fabric made it seem...cheap? I'm not sure but it seemed off. Preferred the costume from his film, not that it was perfect.

On Hawkeye, I'm actually not a huge fan of the variations of his classic look. It's okay (good depending on the design/artist) but I always look at it and think "what is this?". I have no problem with the Ultimate/Movie/current style and it fits perfectly in the context of the movie Hawkeye. Benton brings up some good ideas though and it should be easy to make it less boring and still fit with movie Hawkeye who is a agent/spy/assassin first and super hero second.

Thor's okay, don't really have much else to say. Hulk is Hulk. Black Widow looks fine. Love Sam Jackson as Fury. Liked Loki's look. Chitauri were blah but servicable.
Iron Man continues to look awesome.

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thalaw, I took it as more or less just part of Cap's whole "doubting his own relevance in the modern world" thing.

Speaking of Cap... I dunno if it's just my own protestant upbringing showing through, but was I the only one who got a chuckle out of Cap's "There's only one God, and he doesn't dress like that" line?

But yeah, I loved this film, I'll be seeing it again next weekend (Sister has the last of the finals for the semester this week, so I'll be going to see it again with her this weekend to celebrate her escape), and... yeah, that's really all I have to say on the matter.

Not at all, 'Mato, not at all.  That is, perhaps, my favorite line in the entire movie.  It's hilarious, it's heart-warming (to me and mine), and it totally speaks to the character.

Quote from: thalaw2 on May 10, 2012, 12:27:00 AM
I liked the Cap costume in the Captain America movie more.  One thing I couldn't believe though:

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Cap. doubted wearing the stars and stripes?!?!?!?!  Maybe I dropped off a bit at that moment (perhaps reaching for another beer in my bag o goodies), but that was odd.

The movie is cliche and over the top but the awesomeness makes up for it.  I don't think it's the best superhero movie ever...but it's certainly the best superhero team movie ever.

Actually, I totally got the exchange between Cap and Coulson that you're referring to.  And it totally made sense.

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Cap has not been unfrozen THAT long and it doesn't seem that he is that "up to speed" on all the stuff he has missed.  Thus, he is questioning his role in the modern world.  In addition, what he has been brought up to speed on is probably not all good for the image of the country that he represents.  I would guess those two factors would lead him to question his fit into the modern world.  PLUS, you get the whole nod to the era where "Steve Rogers had abandoned being Captain America and was just "The Nomad" during the 70s.  I am guessing that the second Captain America movie will pick up with that notion and continue to evolve Rogers into a guy who "symbolizes America's ideals and not her government".   

Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on May 09, 2012, 10:43:52 PM
that maybe be so, but it worked for the style they wanted to shwocase for the character. are you seriously telling me you would have prefer the actual pointy mask

caps worked to a degree because its a simple skull shaped hood, add two big pointy flaps to the front of that and it would look ridiculous

I will always rather they use of the proper source material* than the Hollywood revised versions. Whether it would look ridiculous on screen or not is impossible to say for certain. In my head it works and in yours it does not. Give me the real Hawkeye...and not Ultimate Shield Agent Bow-Man.

*The point where the characters were accessible to all ages and not just to the dwindling aging fanboy market.

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Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on May 09, 2012, 10:43:52 PM
that maybe be so, but it worked for the style they wanted to shwocase for the character. are you seriously telling me you would have prefer the actual pointy mask

caps worked to a degree because its a simple skull shaped hood, add two big pointy flaps to the front of that and it would look ridiculous

I will always rather they use of the proper source material* than the Hollywood revised versions. Whether it would look ridiculous on screen or not is impossible to say for certain. In my head it works and in yours it does not. Give me the real Hawkeye...and not Ultimate Shield Agent Bow-Man.

*The point where the characters were accessible to all ages and not just to the dwindling aging fanboy market.

amen on that one

Quote from: Tomato on May 10, 2012, 12:58:54 AM

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thalaw, I took it as more or less just part of Cap's whole "doubting his own relevance in the modern world" thing.

Speaking of Cap... I dunno if it's just my own protestant upbringing showing through, but was I the only one who got a chuckle out of Cap's "There's only one God, and he doesn't dress like that" line?

I absolutely loved that part too!  I felt a little awkward that I was one of the few people in the theatre to actually chuckle at it though.

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Quote from: Tomato on May 10, 2012, 12:58:54 AM

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thalaw, I took it as more or less just part of Cap's whole "doubting his own relevance in the modern world" thing.

Speaking of Cap... I dunno if it's just my own protestant upbringing showing through, but was I the only one who got a chuckle out of Cap's "There's only one God, and he doesn't dress like that" line?

I absolutely loved that part too!  I felt a little awkward that I was one of the few people in the theatre to actually chuckle at it though.

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Haha, me too. When that part came on, and I laughed, my friend next to me gave me the biggest look of "seriously?" that I have ever had the pleasure of getting. He's a devout Catholic and he thought that that remark was so true, it wasn't funny. I, however, not being that much of a religious type (agnostic more than anything), thought it was pretty funny :P

So, I saw it again today, and it is just as awesome on a second viewing.  I was able to get a better grasp on everything, I caught several small, subtle pieces of dialog I missed the first time, and I figured out how Hawkeye's quiver was working.  I had misunderstood it the first time.  That is really neat.  After watching this a second time, I REALLY want to see a movie starring him and the Black Widow.  Make it a S.H.I.E.L.D. flick or a solo adventure spy thriller, either way I think that'd be awesome.

Also, I was hoping a second watching would answer a question for me, but it did not.  Perhaps one of y'all has some insight (perhaps something in the special features of one of the DVDs or the like). 

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In the teaser at the end of Thor, we saw Dr. Selvig called in by S.H.I.E.L.D. to consult on the Cosmic Cube.  We also saw Loki somehow influencing him, or so it seemed.  Loki shows up where Selvig's reflection should be, speaks a line, which is then parroted by Selvig.  However, that was never resolved in this movie, and Selvig didn't seem to be involved with Loki until he was possessed after the Asgardian's arrival.  What's going on there?

Quote from: BentonGrey on May 11, 2012, 01:54:02 AM

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In the teaser at the end of Thor, we saw Dr. Selvig called in by S.H.I.E.L.D. to consult on the Cosmic Cube.  We also saw Loki somehow influencing him, or so it seemed.  Loki shows up where Selvig's reflection should be, speaks a line, which is then parroted by Selvig.  However, that was never resolved in this movie, and Selvig didn't seem to be involved with Loki until he was possessed after the Asgardian's arrival.  What's going on there?

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Perhaps Loki used him as an unwilling/unknowing spy on the development of the Cosmic Cube. He waited until the right moment, and then struck when it was optimal. Loki's pretty sneaky with these things, and he may have not influenced Selvig at all (or he just subtly influenced his work), but rather just kept an eye on what he was doing.

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Quote from: BentonGrey on May 11, 2012, 01:54:02 AM

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In the teaser at the end of Thor, we saw Dr. Selvig called in by S.H.I.E.L.D. to consult on the Cosmic Cube.  We also saw Loki somehow influencing him, or so it seemed.  Loki shows up where Selvig's reflection should be, speaks a line, which is then parroted by Selvig.  However, that was never resolved in this movie, and Selvig didn't seem to be involved with Loki until he was possessed after the Asgardian's arrival.  What's going on there?

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Perhaps Loki used him as an unwilling/unknowing spy on the development of the Cosmic Cube. He waited until the right moment, and then struck when it was optimal. Loki's pretty sneaky with these things, and he may have not influenced Selvig at all (or he just subtly influenced his work), but rather just kept an eye on what he was doing.

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Possible Spydermann, but that still leaves the question of how Loki ended up with a hold on him to begin with...

Podcast alert! Like most of the Marvel movies that have come out in the past 5 years, comic writers have played a large role in how the scripts are developed, draft after draft.

http://comicbook.com/blog/2012/05/10/the-avengers-comic-book-writers-had-pretty-extensive-input/

QuoteIn a podcast interview with Eric Ratcliffe’s Why I Love Comics (http://theouthousers.com/index.php/podcasts/why-i-love-comics/19378.html), superstar writer Brian Michael Bendis explained the role of the “Marvel Movie Council”–that is, a group of comic book experts including himself, Joe Quesada and Marvel Publisher Dan Buckley who were called upon to consult on the Marvel movies. 

“We read every draft of the script including outlines and give notes–sometimes written notes–followed by a phone call to discuss our notes. Sometimes with a filmmaker, sometimes without, depending on the level of critiques and as the script gets closer to final form we’ll come in and sit with the filmmakers.”

Quote from: BentonGrey on May 11, 2012, 01:54:02 AM
So, I saw it again today, and it is just as awesome on a second viewing.  I was able to get a better grasp on everything, I caught several small, subtle pieces of dialog I missed the first time, and I figured out how Hawkeye's quiver was working.  I had misunderstood it the first time.  That is really neat.  After watching this a second time, I REALLY want to see a movie starring him and the Black Widow.  Make it a S.H.I.E.L.D. flick or a solo adventure spy thriller, either way I think that'd be awesome.

Also, I was hoping a second watching would answer a question for me, but it did not.  Perhaps one of y'all has some insight (perhaps something in the special features of one of the DVDs or the like). 

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In the teaser at the end of Thor, we saw Dr. Selvig called in by S.H.I.E.L.D. to consult on the Cosmic Cube.  We also saw Loki somehow influencing him, or so it seemed.  Loki shows up where Selvig's reflection should be, speaks a line, which is then parroted by Selvig.  However, that was never resolved in this movie, and Selvig didn't seem to be involved with Loki until he was possessed after the Asgardian's arrival.  What's going on there?

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Yeah, I never really figured out the Dr. Selvig issue in my own head.  I thought it was as a weird way to end the Thor movie, actually.  Not being an especially well-read comic fan-boy my only knowledge of the character was limited to his portrayal in Thor, thus I assumed maybe his whole identity had been a masterful Loki masquerade.  Obviously that wasn't the case in The Avengers, but I think spydermann93's explanation is probably best.  Another possibility is that Loki never actually had an initial hold on him during the events of Thor, but was simply "prowling around liking a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour" in a devilishly stealthy manner that left the humans unaware.  He deemed Dr. Selvig a strategic candidate for recruitment.  But it's been a while since I watched Thor... and I have no idea what the director was thinking with that scene. 

Also, I never even bothered to think about how Hawkeye's quiver worked.  Whenever I have to watch media dealing with an archer, I just assume he/she has a more-or-less unlimited supply of arrows and don't bother giving it a second thought. I'll keep a keen eye towards this when I watch it again however.

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Quote from: Tomato on May 10, 2012, 12:58:54 AM

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thalaw, I took it as more or less just part of Cap's whole "doubting his own relevance in the modern world" thing.

Speaking of Cap... I dunno if it's just my own protestant upbringing showing through, but was I the only one who got a chuckle out of Cap's "There's only one God, and he doesn't dress like that" line?

I absolutely loved that part too!  I felt a little awkward that I was one of the few people in the theatre to actually chuckle at it though.

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Haha, me too. When that part came on, and I laughed, my friend next to me gave me the biggest look of "seriously?" that I have ever had the pleasure of getting. He's a devout Catholic and he thought that that remark was so true, it wasn't funny. I, however, not being that much of a religious type (agnostic more than anything), thought it was pretty funny :P

I laughed out loud at that part too, but also rolled my eyes a bit. Captain America *would* say something like that, being the supreme boy scout/cheeseball that he is. Then I thought that maybe Disney wanted to make it clear that they weren't declaring their theological allegiance to Thor and the Norse gods of Scandinavia. But maybe I'm just being too cynical. ;)

I laughed out loud at that part for and I was the only one laughing.  I couldn't stop laughing for a good while.

One thing I like to add, I know this might be a small thing, but I really liked the detail and consistency they had for characterization.

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For example, In Thor, I thought Loki seemed more serious than I typically would think he is.  He seemd more bent on revenge than anything.  In The Avengers though, I thought he was more like a Loki I'd think he'd be.  Arrogant(threatening the Hulk/"I am Loki of Asgard and I am burden with glorious purpose!"), much less serious(his initial conversation with Thor) and... gleeful, especially in the pain of others.

Tony Stark was Tony Stark, but it took me until a second viewing to realize that since Iron Man 1, he didn't like to be handed things.  At first I just thought he was trying to be snarky and dismissive of Coulson, but it was who he was.

The comment Captain America made about the way God dress, I didn't mind it much at all because it seems like something Captain America would say.  He's from the 40s.  A time where God and religion had much more of a role.

Even with the Black Widow, the tidbits of information she dropped about her background.  She's russian, was not trained by SHIELD, started when she was a little girl, her bond with Hawkeye.  It was all there, but it was not too overt.  Enough to know the character.

One character, I don't think was too well developed was Maria Hill.  She had some shine and we had a bit of an idea of who she was, but I think a lot of her parts were delete.  She was supposed to be more of a stickler for the rules, by the book.  She probably was the one who called the Council on Fury at the end of the movie.  Not a complaint, but just an observation.

I am a Christian and I laughed out loud at Cap's God comment. I didn't take it as demeaning or anything. I thought it was hilarious, and a great way to characterize Captain America with one line. He was quick to answer, and was sure of his answer. He is obviously a man out of time, by his lack of being PC in his remarks. I think it was great characterization, and a funny scene.

I would love to have time to see this movie again. It was a fun ride all of the way through.

I saw it today.  Normally, I wait for movies to come to video or at least the cheap priced movie theater, but this one was worth seeing at full price.  After reading some of the comments, I regret not sitting through the credits, but I guess I will wait for the DVD to see that.

So I have heard a lot of good buzz about Ruffalo's work both as Banner and as Hulk.  His seems to be the stand out role.  (Although this may well be because the actor was new and neither of the previous films set the same level of excellence the others did.)  I do find it odd, then, that Cap, Thor and Iron Man all have sequels in the works while there seems to be no love for the Hulk.  If Avengers continues to do well I wouldn't be surprised to see a Hulk movie in the intermediate future.

Actually, there is talk that a new Hulk movie may be on the horizon, and Hulk has had a TV and a cartoon show in the works for a while now, so he wasn't left out. The talk about him just isn't as rampant is all.

Quote from: Previsionary on May 13, 2012, 08:55:31 PM
Actually, there is talk that a new Hulk movie may be on the horizon, and Hulk has had a TV and a cartoon show in the works for a while now, so he wasn't left out. The talk about him just isn't as rampant is all.

Ha. Rampant. :P

Quote from: Uncle Yuan on May 13, 2012, 08:42:23 PM
I do find it odd, then, that Cap, Thor and Iron Man all have sequels in the works while there seems to be no love for the Hulk.  If Avengers continues to do well I wouldn't be surprised to see a Hulk movie in the intermediate future.

That's because there hasn't been enough time for that yet.  They were already planning the other movies, but have just now gotten everything into place to actually make them.  They are only now thinking about a Hulk sequel, so it will be some time before anything definite can be planned.

There's also the matter of the cold hard cash: the Incredible Hulk did not make back it's stated budget of $150 million domestically (the only Avengers lead-up not to do so), and only made $263 million worldwide.  Captain America the next lowest, with an announced production cost of $140 million, went on to make $368 million worldwide.  Prior to the Avengers, the Hulk just didn't seem to be the most bankable of the Marvel characters to hit the big screen thus far.

It made money, but not as much as the other Marvel movies.  Same reason why TJX shut down the AJ Wright chain.  It made money, but not as much as their other chains do.  It's simple business.

But now that Hulk is suddenly more popular he could stand to do much better in the future.  I also didn't help that a lot of people were disappointed in the much earlier Hulk and stayed away from the newer movies because of this.  After Avengers though, I dare say any leftover bad taste from that is completely washed away.

Yep, that almost happened to me.  I thought that Incredible was a sequel instead of a reboot at first, and I wouldn't have gone anywhere NEAR a sequel of that film.

See, some people still swear by the first Hulk movie... I just can't understand it, personally. It was a film I originally saw as a child (back when I still thought B. Forever was a good film) and I don't remember having serious problems with it at the time, but on the insistence of someone on FR, I watched it again a few months ago... You think I Tomato rage on n00bs? I ranted at that fool for a good 30 minutes. The acting is horrible, the writing is garbage, the psuedo science doesn't make a lick of sense, the editing style was cute for all of two seconds before it became annoying and distracting, the cgi was stupid even for the time, Hulk getting bigger as he gets madder was dumb, etc. etc.

About the only thing better about Hulk over Incredible was Betty Ross. And really, when the ONLY highlight of a Hulk film is the token love interest, that's an EPIC FAIL.

I am really looking forward to the HISE spoof coming in a couple of weeks!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7r1lNgOiIyM

Their Captain American: The First Avenger video was pretty hilarious.

So somehow I ended up seeing The Avengers for a third time in four weekends; and I finally noticed that they mis-credited the Galaga video game maker. "NAMECO." Seriously?

I didn't even notice the mis-spelling of Namco, but I only seen the movie once.  The mis-spelling Namco might have been just an honest mistake, or maybe, there are copyright considerations that I know nothing about that may have affected the decision.  It's possible the name Galaga has gone public domain and the name Namco has not, but I have no idea how to look that up.

I present you with this: http://movieline.com/2012/05/25/david-hasselhoff-avengers-nick-fury-samuel-jackson/ (http://movieline.com/2012/05/25/david-hasselhoff-avengers-nick-fury-samuel-jackson/)

QuoteAlthough Samuel L. Jackson (http://movieline.com/2012/04/17/how-samuel-l-jackson-did-his-grindhouse-homework-for-quentin-tarantinos-django-unchained/) has played S.H.I.E.L.D. agent Nick Fury in Iron Man, Iron Man 2, Thor, Captain America, and the record-breaking Avengers (http://movieline.com/2012/05/01/review-the-avengers-takes-a-bunch-of-beloved-superheroes-and-builds-big-set-pieces-around-them-is-it-enough/), his portrayal of the cigar-chomping Marvel Comics government agent isn’t definitive to everyone. Like, say, to David Hasselhoff (http://movieline.com/tag/david-hasselhoff/) — Baywatch legend, Knight Rider icon, and star of the upcoming Piranha 3DD (http://movieline.com/2012/03/19/nsfw-red-band-piranha-3dd-trailer-is-just-stupid-enough-to-be-kind-of-awesome/) — who donned Fury’s signature eye patch and scowl in his own 1998 telefilm, earned Stan Lee (http://movieline.com/2012/03/07/stan-lee-vs-stan-lee-the-epic-legal-follies-of-a-comics-mastermind/)’s blessing, and claims that his is the “ultimate” Nick Fury.

“I didn’t see The Avengers yet,” Hasselhoff admitted to Movieline while discussing his appearance — as David Hasselhoff — in the R-rated sequel Piranha 3DD. “I love Sam Jackson, but you know… my Nick Fury was the organic Nick Fury that was written and discussed with Stan Lee before anyone got in there to change it. Nick Fury was written to be tongue-in-cheek, and he had a cigar in his mouth, he was a tough guy — he was cool.”

Hasselhoff says he had earned Lee’s praise for his turn as Fury, who comes out of retirement in the 1998 film Nick Fury: Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D. to battle HYDRA. So he was a little miffed to learn the character would be portrayed by someone else — even if that someone was Jackson.

“Stan Lee said, ‘You’re the ultimate Nick Fury,’” he remembered. “Avi Arad, when they bought it, said, ‘Don’t worry, you’re going to be the Nick Fury forever,’ and they lied. [Pause] But that happens to me all the time. That’s when you realize life isn’t fair.”

More at link

He was the ultimate Nick Fury, really?  I for one, was not impressed with his movie.

Agreed...I don't buy that either.  From what I remember about the 1998 version it sucked and I have no desire to see it again...and I'm a fan of the Hof.  I think Stan was just being kind.

Well, obviously I need to go kill David Hasslehoff now. He has reached an unforgivable level of stupid.

Say what you will of the Hoff, but nobody can eat a cheeseburger wasted like he can.

QuoteSay what you will of the Hoff, but nobody can eat a cheeseburger wasted like he can.

I believe it was a chicken sandwich   :P

The Hasselhoff may fit the physical characteristics of Fury, but I just don't see him being macho enough to stare the likes Captain American and Thor in the eye and earn their respect.

I am not buying any more of that man's albums if he's going to be like that!

It's all an act for him to make a comeback or for people to go see the Avengers movie.

Quote from: BWPS on May 28, 2012, 11:59:58 PM
I am not buying any more of that man's albums if he's going to be like that!

Funniest thing I have read in a long time. *claps*

Took a bunch of freshmen boys to see it again a couple of weeks ago. Can't believe how good the movie is. I am not one to see a movie more than once at the theatre, but enjoyed it beginning to end. I agree with many of you, no way Colson died. The remarks of the "council" to Fury about it all being abou making a statement, I think Colson's death was staged.

I have never been a huge Hulk fan, but I have to say that Banner and Hulk made this movie for me. Most of the subtle jokes were aimed at the danger in having Banner around and the Hulk really seemed to have a sense of humor. It made me wonder how much of Bruce Banner was actually coming out of the Hulk. I could definitely see Banner in some of those Hulk scenes (except when he goes after Widow).

In case you folks haven't seen it, already:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZkqC4Lz8dU

:lol:

Quote from: oldmanwinters on June 02, 2012, 07:58:12 PM
In case you folks haven't seen it, already:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZkqC4Lz8dU

:lol:

THEY SERVE FOOD HERE?!

I just saw the Avengers again and watched all of the credits....

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Why didn't any of yous guys say Thanos was at the end?!?!?!

I'm too lazy to look back through 10 pages to find the correct spoiler.

That's who that was!?

Nah, I am just kididng... I am pretty sure it has been stated that

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Thanos

was seen after the credits. It was probably in a spoiler somewhere.

Awesome movie, can't wait to own a copy.

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I have seen the Avengers.

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I was really impressed with it by the end. The first half felt kinda long, it was good I don't have any real complaints but I was hardly at the edge of my seat. Now the second half where the invasion starts did! That whole sequence was just filled with win. Really loved that one shot with no cuts with each of the Avengers fighting. Lots of laugh out loud moments like Hulk punching away Thor after a break in the fight, and most of what Tony says. I was really impressed with how well they managed the large cast.

Loved Jeremy Renner as Hawkeye. He's not 616 and he's not even Ultimate but he's great as this movie version of Hawkeye. I was really impressed with Ruffalo as Bruce Banner but I've never felt he has the right look for the character, looks good as Hulk though. RDJ was awesome as always.

Coulson's death was lame. Very Whedon. Worked for the story I guess. Honestly I was expecting him to be revealed to be alive in the post credits scenes.

Thanos, now there's a reference non-comics fans won't get. Although some guy behind and to the right of me said pretty loudly something like "Oh my god Thanos!"
And the post credits scene had me laughing all the way out of the theater.

Anyway I liked it and now I with I had a set of MU Avengers movie toys.

Bottom line: Warner Bros, the gauntlet has been thrown.

Yep.

Thanks Shougunn.  I knew there was a reference somewhere in these pages.  You have the true patience.

BTW, I just noticed something peculiar about that last scene.  It didn't strike me as odd until I just rewatched it and my computer on the fritz froze at the scene.

Spoiler

But did anyone see the scene wtih Thanos and just before they show him, they show him propping himself from his seat with his right hand.  Well, my computer froze at that scene and I thought "that's odd for an alien hardcase with purple skin to have a human looking hand."  It didn't occur to me until a few minutes later that Thanos wears gloves... ie Gauntlets, which they vividly(and purposely) did not show on his hand.  I mean, it might have seemed harmless at the time that they wanted to show his back and his arm(ie Dr. Klaw) to build the suspense, but I honestly think it was planned, to show him without the Infinity Gauntlet.

Anyway.  Just an observation.