I would just like to kick off the discussion by noting the total fake out Moffat is trying to pull with the recent trailer release.
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River is NOT Madam Kovorian. That eyepatch thingy i Guarantee allows you to see the Silents somehow.
And the Doctor at the lake is a Ganger, obviously.
And I betcha River kills Rory.
That is all.
We need a smiley with a Fez now. Fezzes are cool!
Never cared for the show before... but I have to say, this Dr has got me. Enjoyed this season as the first I made a point to watch. Really got into this Dr and been playing catch up on the DVR. Digging the whole backstory with River Song. Hope the big cliffhangers aren't obvious... but no matter what they do --- it'll be better than Lost. :P
From what I understand , the next episode "Lets Kill Hitler " is supposed to be brilliant by all accounts.
7 Days to go until Lets Kill Hitler, I can't wait.
Anyone else been watching Torchwood Miracle day?
Matt Smith says that Let's Kill Hitler is his favorite episode. I'll take it for the title alone. Can't wait.
And
Let's Kill Hitler has aired!
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A far-reaching, major shake-up (and mildly insane) episode, to be sure. More was covered than I expected, there was a fair bit of the unexpected, and great lines abounded. Very nice work. The Steven Moffat era continues its streak of having great "big" episodes.
That was pretty awesome.
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"I've got a gun, you've got a time machine, lets kill Hitler!" that was funny. The fact that Hitler really had so little to do with the episode made it all the better. Rory had the best reaction when he was shoving Adolf into the closet.
Night Terrors - a somewhat by-the-numbers Who adventure, in my opinion. As always, the leads are great, some of the dialogue sparkles and the monsters are creepy, but otherwise not much to really compare it to last week's wild ride.
Enjoyed this. this had a classic Who feel . Not arc related, one and done,and sufficiently behind the couch scary for most kids
It was a decent, classic who episode... however, I do think it's somewhat telling that it was actually intended to be in the first half of the season, because it doesn't fit into continuity as well as it should.
It wasn't just the lack of continuity or arc connections that had me call it a 'by-the-numbers' episode rather than 'classic-feeling' - it just lacked the inventiveness and imagination of great episodes like last week's, barring one twist, and was quite similar (if better done) to the Tenth Doctor episode Fear Her.
"The Girl Who Waited".
Gods, I'm depressed.
And the Doctor is a huge #$#@$@4.
Now that was a good stand-alone episode! No real ties to the ongoing arc, but full of imagination, emotion, and character. Good stuff.
The first ten minutes it looked like an average, okay episode.
Once old Amy came in, it became a whole lot more than that.
Great episode all in all. Usually the moral and philisophical implications of some of the things possible in sci fi or fantasy universes are glossed over and ignored, but here we have it confronted head on and it makes for a good emotional and very much thinking episode. The Doctor is barely even in this one, but it makes for a very good focus of the whole Amy/Rory relationship.
And yeah, you do see the more sinister side of the Doctor, but this is hardly new. This is the same guy who kidnapped his first two companions, exposed them to dangerous radiation just because he was curious about a nearby city, and stranded them on the Dalek's home planet as a result. And that's only in his first couple of episodes.
brilliant episode.
amy is defiantly proven to be the best companion of the new series, and once again murray golds music is superb, guess its another cd i'm buying
i just love the amy's theme track
Quote from: B A D on September 12, 2011, 03:10:47 PM
the Doctor is a huge #$#@$@4.
You know... objectively, I'd have done the same thing in his shoes. It's a bit twisted, but there really wasn't too much in the way of options there. He'd have had to cannibalize the tardis (like how the master had) just to maintain her paradoxical existence, and for what? A broken life, without rory, without her family, and with more post-traumatic stress then most soldiers have coming out of Afghanistan today?
Quote from: Tomato on September 13, 2011, 01:15:25 AM
Quote from: B A D on September 12, 2011, 03:10:47 PM
the Doctor is a huge #$#@$@4.
You know... objectively, I'd have done the same thing in his shoes. It's a bit twisted, but there really wasn't too much in the way of options there. He'd have had to cannibalize the tardis (like how the master had) just to maintain her paradoxical existence, and for what? A broken life, without rory, without her family, and with more post-traumatic stress then most soldiers have coming out of Afghanistan today?
Exactly - it was a terrible choice to have to make, but the Doctor made the right one. I also liked how, after both Rory and Amy have complained about him, that the Doctor left the choice with Rory. A little bit of perspective for Rory about what it's like to have to juggle people's lives.
Old Amy and Rory was right. This was all the Doctor's fault to begin with. When Rory asked him about scanning the outside for dangers, his reply was "that's not how I travel." Great. Plus he lies. All the time. If I were the Ponds I'd be getting off in Ledworth an never setting foot on the Tardis again. Maybe Madam K has a point...
I think that's the point of the episode though.... this whole season we've seen the doctor teeter on the brink of becoming something sinister, and the consequences of that. Not only from Ms. K either... We saw a movement rise up in the Doctor's name that wasn't exactly made of good people.
Earlier versions of the Doctor could be sinister too, so this is not really a departure. He basically kidnapped some of his companions and did all sorts of things of that nature. The doctor is basically a rogue. A well intentioned rogue, but he nontheless is not particularly limited by morals or nicities. There are times when this is not such a good thing.
Another high-quality monster of the week episode! It was nice to see the Doctor's completely reasonable hypothesis about the monster be wrong, but darn I wanted to see what was behind the Doctor's door.
Only 2 episodes of the season left!
Eh, we DID see what was behind the Doctor's door, unless I just misunderstood that bit. The last room they were in with little Amelia was his door, we even saw the door hanger he put on fall off when it disappeared. He's afraid of what he does to his companions, hence the ending.
Amelia was in room 7, whatever was in The Doctor's room was in 11
Yes, the room at the end with Amelia was Amy's room, not the Doctor's. Is there a significance to Amy's room being 7, a la the eleventh Doctor's being 11?
Whatever was in the Doctor's room had something to do with the Tardis, as you could clearly hear the Cloister Bell ringing when he opened it.
Alright, mis-saw that.
So Amy's fear is the Doctor leaving her then, which is pretty ironic, considering. . .
Quote from: Talavar on September 19, 2011, 12:33:14 PM
Yes, the room at the end with Amelia was Amy's room, not the Doctor's. Is there a significance to Amy's room being 7, a la the eleventh Doctor's being 11?
Yes there is a significance. Amelia was 7 when she first met The Doctor, if I recall.
You guys are missing the point of the rooms, though...The Doctor realized it wasn't what they feared but what they had faith in. Amy's faith was in the Doctor (hence little Amy waiting and watching)...I'm guessing, the Doctor's was his TARDIS?
Dana
Quote from: cmdrkoenig67 on September 20, 2011, 06:03:07 PM
You guys are missing the point of the rooms, though...The Doctor realized it wasn't what they feared but what they had faith in.
Not exactly. The rooms we saw all had scary stuff in them: Gorillas, creepy dolls and clowns, Weeping Angels, being laughed at or yelled at or abandoned. The idea was that scaring the victims would cause them to draw upon their faith as a defense.
Exactly. The rooms do contain their greatest fears--exactly the thing that will drive someone to rely on their faith the most.
Quote from: JKCarrier on September 20, 2011, 08:25:23 PM
Quote from: cmdrkoenig67 on September 20, 2011, 06:03:07 PM
You guys are missing the point of the rooms, though...The Doctor realized it wasn't what they feared but what they had faith in.
Not exactly. The rooms we saw all had scary stuff in them: Gorillas, creepy dolls and clowns, Weeping Angels, being laughed at or yelled at or abandoned. The idea was that scaring the victims would cause them to draw upon their faith as a defense.
Precisely - the creature fed upon faith, but the hotel used fear to generate that faith - whether it be in luck, religion, conspiracy, the Doctor.
Honestly, I think it was himself. There's been an undercurrent of self-loathing to the 11th Doctor, and I think the only thing he's afraid of what he knows himself to be capable of.
Sorry guys, I'm going a bit off topic, but I need your help:
I just saw the first 3 seasons of Torchwood, a spinoff of Doctor Who, and loved it! I remember watching Doctor Who as a kid and not really liking it, but a friend told me that the first couple of seasons of Doctor Who were slow, but the new ones are great and I can learn more about Capt. Jack Harkness. So my question to you guys is where should I start watching Doctor Who? Which seasons are the most favorites?
Start with the first season of the new series. That's where Jack first comes in anyways. Note that while Torchwood is a very adult series, Dr. Who is more family oriented, but still quite good.
I'd actually recommend starting with season 5 of the new run (the start of the 11th Doctor, Matt Smith), and if you enjoy it, go back to the first season of the new run and get caught up. You won't be introduced to Captain Jack as quickly, but I think season 5 is a stronger introduction to the series to someone completely new to Who than the actual first season.
Nevermind then.
I would start with the Ninth Doctor. You can slowly learn about him and his background as that really re launched the series and you see the show from Rose's perspective from most of the first season rather than the Doctor's. Kinda starts the bus, so to speak . Once 10 comes into play its a pretty fast ride.
The 10th Doctor would be a bad place to start (though it was where I started, specifically the Impossible Planet), but the 11th also had a very strong intro to the series/characters aspect, and I think the episodes are stronger than the first season of the new series.
A decent enough episode. It works with the last one in that it provides a counterpoint to the Doctor's believe that he endangers his companions. As Craig points out he--and also ALL of the modern versions main companions--would have died anyway if the Doctor had not been there. Amy is perhaps arguable, but all of the others were destined for certain death before he showed up.
It also bookends with the season opening, as it shows us the events on the other end that lead to this.
My next child will be named Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All.
I have been staying away from this forum as I am just working my way through season 3 and I want to skip any spoilers. I just watched "Human Nature" and "Family of Blood." I can't begin to express how very, very excellent they were.
Those two were quite good yes. They were actually based on an older expanded universe novel.
Quote from: Uncle Yuan on September 28, 2011, 01:21:00 AM
I have been staying away from this forum as I am just working my way through season 3 and I want to skip any spoilers. I just watched "Human Nature" and "Family of Blood." I can't begin to express how very, very excellent they were.
Then prepare for a brain explosion in episodes to come.
The prequel for the season ender is available if you haven't seen it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5jfLakwuls
Also a mini-episode written by a class of school children.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDLrWtzMn5Y
EDIT: Quite the wild ride tonight. Hidden in plain sight indeed.
... Wow. I didn't think it was possible, but the season finale blew me away more than any episode of Doctor Who ever has. Well done Moffat.
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I did kinda see his method of "resurrection" coming originally when they brought the suit guys back in two separate scenes, but I'd forgotten by the time they got around to it. But the question, Just... wow. So fricking obvious that you never think about it.
Edit: Something just occurred to me that seems so obvious in hindsight... we never saw the TARDIS in the season opener until Past-Doctor shows up. It's not even mentioned... River makes a big to-do about burning the doctors body and the dangers his cells present... but they just left the TARDIS sitting somewhere in Utah? Made no sense.
I wondered about this too, but this episode does explain where future TARDIS was.
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Inside the ship with the real Doctor.
Also
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The Ninth Doctor in a recorded message to Rose said that the TARDIS in the event of his death should just be left alone to die. It generally gets ignored anyway and we now know it to be alive and conscious, so it can likely take care of itself in any case. In addition, future River apparently still remembers these events and likely had the body burned because she knew the Doctor would in fact be used that to disguise his escape and she also knew where the TARDIS was.
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Oh, I know that NOW. I'm simply saying the fact that it was completely and inexplicably ignored in the first episodes should have stood out, and yet I hadn't picked up on it at all.
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I did kinda wonder about that, but just shrugged it off. Shouldn't have, I suppose.
I should also point out the B A D did get one of his three guesses in the OP right. Kudos for that one, since I would never have thought of it. The seemingly most likely of his guesses actually turned out to be wrong, which is interesting.
Awesome! The Doctor in a Doctor suit!
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I was expecting something much more complicated, a la last year's save: a future version of the Doctor coming back to help himself, a 'Ganger copy of the Doctor, something involving the two different coats the Doctor has been sporting - but in the end it was relatively simple, and his "death" was solved before we ever even saw it happen.
I enjoyed the "ending", although its not over, by any means. There are a ton of unanswered questions, and I look forward to it playing out more in the next series.
Gotta chime in here regarding the question that must never be answered.
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The question is Doctor Who?
I've read elsewhere that the "Who" is in reference to The Doctor's name. I disagree. If anyone here remembers the original series... The Doctor was considered a Renegade Time Lord. Generally the renegade status was due to a "non-interference policy". Unlike most other Renegades Time Lords, The Doctor interferes for good intended reasons (usually) as opposed to evil intentions.
That said, there has been a running theme during Moffat's run on the show: "The Doctor is a potential danger to the universe." I think next season we will see more about the character of The Doctor, a refresher course on his history leading up to the 50th Anniversary episode. Furthermore, I suspect that Moffat has some way to reintroduce Gallifrey in some capacity or to at least establish that The Doctor is not entirely the last of them. More importantly, exploring The Doctor's history as we are heading to the 50th anniversary. The "WHO" is a build up to the 50th Anniversary.
I also think that while Amy, Rory, River will be back that they will not be full time companions.
I was really unimpressed within the first few minutes of the episode. Like, close to switching it off and reading a synopsis when christmas came around.
But wow, was that awesome. Best episode of the current run.
I wonder if we'll be seeing a new Doctor soon?
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A bit late here, but my guess for what The Doctor saw in his room in the hotel episode: himself. We already know he is his own worst enemy from last season's episode with the Dream Lord. I'm pretty sure he used the words "Who else?" then as well.
I dunno whether it was intentional or not, but Moffat really made me believe that there was something important about that second damn jacket. I was sure it had to have something to do with Gangers or.. or.. something... Curse you Moffat. I was going through and tabulating appearances of the new jacket vs. the tweed and analyzing themes in common between different episodes with matching jackets.
Mofffffaatttttttt!
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Well, we get one more season with Matt Smith as The Doctor.
http://www.tgdaily.com/entertainment/59234-matt-smith-is-leaving-doctor-who
Matt mentioned in the interview and has indicated in previous interviews that he plans to stay through till the at least the 50th Anniversary episode. Could we see a new Doctor starting with that episode? I've no idea when that episode takes place but do know it will be during the 2012/2013 season. And from this interview, we now know that the end of the 2012/2013 season will be the end of Matt's run on the show.
And three years isn't a bad run all things said.
That's too bad, but it seems that Brits are afraid of being too closely associated with such an iconic character and losing their big ambitions or whatever. At least we got 6 years of two terrific Doctors.
I'm guessing that he'll stick through to the end of the season and the Fall of the Eleventh will be exactly what it sounds like, closing out the current storyline. (save possibly for more appearances by River) The next one will have HUGE shoes to fill.
For your entertainment: two Doctor Who videos: the Ballad of Russel & Julie (cute but runs a little long) and a Cast & Crew Special
http://www.themarysue.com/david-tennant-doctor-who-tribute-video/