According to CNN.com, Chris Evans has been chosen for the role of Captain America.
Don't know about you, but I don't see Johnny Storm leading Tony Stark and Thor into battle. And I don't see Chris Evens "leading" Robert Downey Jr.
As a comic book movie geek - and one of the apparent few who actually enjoyed the Fantastic Four movies - I also don't get why you would use the same actor for multiple superhero roles.
This does not give me a good feeling about the Captain America movie ... or the Avengers movie.
We posted this in the ongoing thread about it but since it is early and I'm half asleep I thought this was the comics thread. Like "wait, the android Human Torch will wield the shield?!"
Oh. OK.
Then ... in related news ... THIS JUST IN: Lindbergh made it!!!!!!! (But Amelia has gone missing!) :doh:
Meh, an admin can merge the thread later, personally I dont mind having this conversation again, I love talking comics and movies.
About Chris Evans well we will have to wait and see... the dude is an actor but I honestly dont know if he is a good one, therefore capable of two very different roles. I mean I hope so, but we will see. Unfortunately I picture the caps voice as the stereotypical superhero style The Tick parodies (think Minuteman from Freedom Force), I hope that his voice carries some weight.
And yeah, I also enjoyed the Fantastic Four movies. I mean they are not good films, but they are probably the most fun out of all the comic book movies. They made me want to be in a superhero team, as opposed to the "woe is me" of Spidey (3), Batman, Superman and Daredevil. X-Men was a little fun too, so I did not include it.
He was the best part of the 2 Fantastic Four movies, but will he make a good Cap? Time will tell.
Here's hoping!
yeah, i say give him a chance.he needs to bulk up alittle more.as far as him in a more serious role...well, i never thought brandon frasier would have been an action type actor either and he kicked butt in both mummy movies.
The only reason I like the casting is that I also think you need a comedian to play such campy roles dead serious. People like Jackman (wolvie), McGuire (spidey) and Downey (Iron man) are really funny so it is easy for us to believe they are these butt kicking heroes without it becomnig overbearing. Heroes need to smile from time to time or for it to sometimes be funny when they get hurt. That is why EVERYONE wants to see Bruce Campbel in a superhero movie.
Well, in fairness, Christopher Reeve had to bulk up to play Superman. And Chris Evans IS an actor ... so maybe he's not as light as the character of the Human Torch was meant to be.
Quote from: AncientSpirit on March 29, 2010, 04:50:08 PM
Well, in fairness, Christopher Reeve had to bulk up to play Superman. And Chris Evans IS an actor ... so maybe he's not as light as the character of the Human Torch was meant to be.
Just remember, a lot of people thought Heath Ledger would do horrible as The Joker. He did good, as I recall.
Quote from: lugaru on March 29, 2010, 12:38:23 PM
We posted this in the ongoing thread about it but since it is early and I'm half asleep I thought this was the comics thread. Like "wait, the android Human Torch will wield the shield?!"
That was my thought too.
(http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/images/fan-captainamerica-1.jpg)
Fan made poster, dont freak out. Also a more USAgent design:
(http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/images/fan-captainamerica-2.jpg)
To those who think Chris Evans has to increase his build, I have to point to the previous film in continunity, the Incredible Hulk. In it, Emil Blonski was given the Super Solder Serum and Tim Roth didn't have to increase his build. They did CG his tone, but but Evans is already toned. He'll probably buff up a bit, but not excessively. He'll still be a Olympic-level athlete who will be able to do all kinds of crazy stuff, but he won't be Schwarzenegger like.
WTF guys have you not been looking at half-naked pictures of Chris Evans? He's really buff, he's actually a really good fit except for the fact that he's goofy in other movies. But I think he can play serious. He'll look just fine with some blonde hair.
http://www.hotjunkie.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/chris_evans_towel.jpg
http://www.nndb.com/people/191/000098894/chris-evans-1-sized.jpg
Quote from: BWPS on March 31, 2010, 02:17:39 AM
WTF guys have you not been looking at half-naked pictures of Chris Evans?
LOL. No, I guess I haven't been looking at half-naked pictures of Chris Evans.
Regarding the two fan-made posters, the second outfit would work if they removed the seams from the mask, colored the red part of the upper shirt blue or white, colored the lower sleeves white, then removed the Ultimate universe Cap red circle with white star from the shoulders.
The first version beyond sucks, and looks like a retarded version of Ultimate Cap.
Quote from: GhostMachine on March 31, 2010, 03:21:49 PMThe first version beyond sucks, and looks like a retarded version of Ultimate Cap.
Not *quite* my first thought. But really, pouches on gloves/gauntlets? Who designed that, Liefeld? :thumbdown:
Hey has anyone ever seen a bepouched hero work? Other than Batman?
Quote from: Panther_Gunn on March 31, 2010, 06:12:44 PM
Quote from: GhostMachine on March 31, 2010, 03:21:49 PMThe first version beyond sucks, and looks like a retarded version of Ultimate Cap.
Not *quite* my first thought. But really, pouches on gloves/gauntlets? Who designed that, Liefeld? :thumbdown:
Agreed. The first design would be acceptable for his 2010 outfit. I don't like the look of Ultimate Cap anyway shape of form other than his WWII garbs http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n202/darkq1/ULTIMATES/8215-captain-america_400.jpg
IMO, The First Avenger, Captain America needs to be entirely a WWII movie, until the last 2 minutes of the credits when, after being cryogenically frozen, they show him being thawed by (insert avenger here).
Quote from: docdelorean88 on March 31, 2010, 06:56:14 PM
they show him being thawed by (insert avenger here).
WOLVERINE!
*pokes BWPS in the eye with his own stick*
Since the rights to Wolverine and all the other mutant characters is currently away due to licensing agreements, that can't happen anyway, even if anyone wanted it to. Which no one does.
It will have to be either Fury or Stark. Probably the former, but I can see Tony's tech being used to thaw/revive him without killing him and the process.
That mock up second pic :D he looks like he waiting to be kissed
Quote from: JeyNyce on March 31, 2010, 11:50:13 PM
That mock up second pic :D he looks like he waiting to be kissed
They're *both* way too pouty. You'd think whoever made them could have at least found a pic of him looking manly. <_<
Quote from: Panther_Gunn on April 01, 2010, 03:40:08 AM
Quote from: JeyNyce on March 31, 2010, 11:50:13 PM
That mock up second pic :D he looks like he waiting to be kissed
They're *both* way too pouty. You'd think whoever made them could have at least found a pic of him looking manly. <_<
Sure. While they're at it, they can probably find the Higgs Boson, or prove String Theory
;) :P
I'm going to be honest. I really hate that they went with Chris Evans. I probably won't even bother seeing the Cap movie even though I liked the comics when I was younger. Chris Evans is not blonde, maybe casting directors fail to realize this. I know it seems minor but comic characters are known for well...certain characteristics. It'd be like having Superman being portrayed by someone with red hair. I feel like they aren't even going to bother getting his hair color right like they did with Johnny. "Mr. Blonde Ambition", did becoming a giant rock monster make you blind Thing!, his hair is clearly dark brown. Eh, I guess I'm the only one bothered by hair color. Everyone else seems to be worried about build >.>
Quote from: NomadX on April 01, 2010, 02:51:24 PM
I'm going to be honest. I really hate that they went with Chris Evans. I probably won't even bother seeing the Cap movie even though I liked the comics when I was younger. Chris Evans is not blonde, maybe casting directors fail to realize this. I know it seems minor but comic characters are known for well...certain characteristics. It'd be like having Superman being portrayed by someone with red hair. I feel like they aren't even going to bother getting his hair color right like they did with Johnny. "Mr. Blonde Ambition", did becoming a giant rock monster make you blind Thing!, his hair is clearly dark brown. Eh, I guess I'm the only one bothered by hair color. Everyone else seems to be worried about build >.>
I think you are the only one worried due to hair colour with good reason: a hair dye kit costs about ten dollars, and even then, hair colour doesn't act. If they'd limited their casting options to male actors with genuinely blonde hair that would be a very short call list.
Will Chris Evans be good? I hope so, but I'm not betting the farm on it. Is his hair colour relevant? No.
I agree... Captain America is not supposed to be an aryan superman, he is supposed to fight them. Dye his hair and throw him in front of the camera. I was a big supporter of the Heath Ledger joker casting (if you do a search on these forums) and while I dont consder Chris Evans to be an amazing actor, I'll wait until it comes out.
Quote from: BWPS on March 31, 2010, 07:14:13 PM
Quote from: docdelorean88 on March 31, 2010, 06:56:14 PM
they show him being thawed by (insert avenger here).
WOLVERINE!
I couldn't see him thawing Cap anyway, but i do think they need to do some reference to the character. Even if it is just a name toss. They were war buddies.
Quote from: lugaru on April 01, 2010, 06:25:21 PM
I agree... Captain America is not supposed to be an aryan superman, he is supposed to fight them. Dye his hair and throw him in front of the camera. I was a big supporter of the Heath Ledger joker casting (if you do a search on these forums) and while I dont consder Chris Evans to be an amazing actor, I'll wait until it comes out.
Ehh, considering that comics are a visual medium, and that, therefore, the characters are at least partially their appearance (and Cap more than most given his status as a symbol), then I hardly think that such physical features are completely irrelevant. The fact that this fellow isn't blonde isn't enough to make me despair, but it really does bother me, because I feel like it shows something of a disregard for the details (minor though they may be) of who and what Cap is. Also, it is a good deal harder to make a brown haired guy believably blonde than vice versa. :P
Quote from: BentonGrey on April 01, 2010, 09:54:48 PM
Quote from: lugaru on April 01, 2010, 06:25:21 PM
I agree... Captain America is not supposed to be an aryan superman, he is supposed to fight them. Dye his hair and throw him in front of the camera. I was a big supporter of the Heath Ledger joker casting (if you do a search on these forums) and while I dont consder Chris Evans to be an amazing actor, I'll wait until it comes out.
Ehh, considering that comics are a visual medium, and that, therefore, the characters are at least partially their appearance (and Cap more than most given his status as a symbol), then I hardly think that such physical features are completely irrelevant. The fact that this fellow isn't blonde isn't enough to make me despair, but it really does bother me, because I feel like it shows something of a disregard for the details (minor though they may be) of who and what Cap is. Also, it is a good deal harder to make a brown haired guy believably blonde than vice versa. :P
Yeah, but at the end of the day they have to put the actor first and the hair department second. The only case I remember saying "wow, he looks exactly like the character he is playing" is when Ron Pearlman was cast as Hellboy.
:P
Yeah, but I have a hard time believing that there isn't a blond actor out there who could do as good or better of a job. As a matter of fact, I rather think that there almost has to be. :P
QuoteEven if it is just a name toss. They were war buddies.
Does Walmart advertise Target's products. No. Remember, in the movies these characters are owned, at least for the purposes of making movies, but two completely different and competing companies. Don't expect them to be promoting their competition.
I dont mind the hair thing at all, but I just don`t see this guy as Captain America. Not sure he could pull off the presence Steve Rodger has whenever he appears.
i dont want to shoot him down to soon but i'm with benton....theres gotta be someone out there blonde that could play the part.if chris is gonna do it, like i said before he needs to be alittle bigger.he needs to really look like a super soldier.
I really don't like Like Chris playing as Cap, but I also didn't approve Heath playing the joker, and look how that turns out, so I'm going to give him a chance. Marvel is doing a great job so far with Iron Man 1 & 2 and HULK. I don't think they are going to screw it up now with Cap.
Quote from: JeyNyce on April 02, 2010, 02:20:15 PM
I really don't like Like Chris playing as Cap, but I also didn't approve Heath playing the joker, and look how that turns out, so I'm going to give him a chance. Marvel is doing a great job so far with Iron Man 1 & 2 and HULK. I don't think they are going to screw it up now with Cap.
Yeah, like I said before, they've earned some good will on my part. This doesn't strike me as great, but I'm keeping my hopes up.
Quote from: BentonGrey on April 02, 2010, 02:43:37 PM
Yeah, like I said before, they've earned some good will on my part. This doesn't strike me as great, but I'm keeping my hopes up.
Agreed. And dittoed.
However, even though I am one of the few movie-goers who thoroughly enjoyed both Fantastic Four movies, it still bothers me that they dyed Jessica Alba's hair blonde and used her as Susan Storm. Great actress. Great performance. But there was a basic disconnect for me between what she looked like and who she was playing.
That said, this role probably isn't the same since Sue always looked like Sue ... and Steve Rogers wears a mask when he's Captain America. The mask itself may go a long way to solving my problem with this casting choice.
Quote from: BentonGrey on April 02, 2010, 01:25:08 AM
Yeah, but I have a hard time believing that there isn't a blond actor out there who could do as good or better of a job. As a matter of fact, I rather think that there almost has to be. :P
Make a list of legitimately blonde actors with some degree of fame (given Marvel's casting potentials, they weren't looking for an unknown).
Now remove all the ones that are too young or old or not physically fit enough. Do you have a large list of potential Caps? Because I sure don't.
Now cast the star of potentially two major franchises (Avengers & Captain America) from that list.
Sebastian Stan will play Bucky
http://marvel.com/news/moviestories.11746.captain_america~and~bucky_cast_for_2011_film
Quote from: JeyNyce on April 02, 2010, 04:44:44 PM
Sebastian Stan will play Bucky
http://marvel.com/news/moviestories.11746.captain_america~and~bucky_cast_for_2011_film
I was surprised with their choice to Cap, I'm not a fan of Evans, but... Let's see if he can do his part.
But I'm more surprised Bucky will be in the movie. Since the actor is not a kid I suppose we'll have the Brubaker's "Armed and dangerous" Bucky Barnes, and that's fine with me. After all Bucky was alway using guns in the forties.
Who knows, maybe it will be good after all.
Quote from: JeyNyce on April 02, 2010, 04:44:44 PM
Sebastian Stan will play Bucky
http://marvel.com/news/moviestories.11746.captain_america~and~bucky_cast_for_2011_film
Color me soooooooooooooooooo confused. I can see maybe throwing in bucky, i don't really know how...but i can see it. But this dude is a grown man pretty much. What were they thinking?
I'm guessing they're updating the character for a modern movie audience. The US army letting a young boy fight beside they're elite super soldier? I don't think so.
My guess is that in the new version he will be a fully adult soldier, probably a very good one assigned to assist Cap.
EDIT: After doings some searching, I'm thinking, as they already have, they'll borrow heavily from the Ultimates and Ultimate Bucky was an adult.
In the current Cap. continuity Buck was about 19 when they Cap was frozen. Ed Brubaker figured Bucky as a teen when the war started, so he should be in his late teens, 5 years later.
But I agree, probably will be non-costumed Bucky...
Damn!
Or maybe they are going for the Batman & Robin approach......? LAWD!, I hope not.
Quote from: Talavar on April 02, 2010, 04:13:35 PM
Quote from: BentonGrey on April 02, 2010, 01:25:08 AM
Yeah, but I have a hard time believing that there isn't a blond actor out there who could do as good or better of a job. As a matter of fact, I rather think that there almost has to be. :P
Make a list of legitimately blonde actors with some degree of fame (given Marvel's casting potentials, they weren't looking for an unknown).
Now remove all the ones that are too young or old or not physically fit enough. Do you have a large list of potential Caps? Because I sure don't.
Now cast the star of potentially two major franchises (Avengers & Captain America) from that list.
Disregarding hair color it still doesn't take away the fact that Chris Evans is a poor choice to play Cap. I'll always think of him as that guy from "Not Another Teen Movie". Also, I didn't really care for the Fantastic Four movies (everything about them just seemed wrong). But hey, if you like him as an actor have fun seeing the movie, I just won't be watching it.
Chris Evans wouldn't have been my choice either. Looking at his sample of work and everything I've seen him in, he just comes off as the funny/jerk guy. I've never seen him in anything that required major acting chops such as a dramatic role. I also don't think the Heath Ledger comparisons are working. Heath had a ton of different roles under his belt by the time we learned he was playing Joker, so we at least knew he had range (though people complained all the way until the movie came out), with Chris, that's not really there. Even the next few movies he's featured in, which are coming out soon, promote his "comedic" acting.
But, I'm going to trust that he's going to take this role seriously and prepare as best he can. No point in being negative when we don't know what he'll bring to the table. Besides, there's a lot of time for things to change.
Also, I can't believe people are making hair color such a big deal. There're dyes out there and they can work wonders with editing. That's what hair & makeup workers + editors are paid to do. ^_^
Quote from: Previsionary on April 03, 2010, 11:36:56 PM
Chris Evans wouldn't have been my choice either. Looking at his sample of work and everything I've seen him in, he just comes off as the funny/jerk guy. I've never seen him in anything that required major acting chops such as a dramatic role. I also don't think the Heath Ledger comparisons are working. Heath had a ton of different roles under his belt by the time we learned he was playing Joker, so we at least knew he had range (though people complained all the way until the movie came out), with Chris, that's not really there. Even the next few movies he's featured in, which are coming out soon, promote his "comedic" acting.
But, I'm going to trust that he's going to take this role seriously and prepare as best he can. No point in being negative when we don't know what he'll bring to the table. Besides, there's a lot of time for things to change.
Also, I can't believe people are making hair color such a big deal. There're dyes out there and they can work wonders with editing. That's what hair & makeup workers + editors are paid to do. ^_^
Actually, you proved my point spot on about the comparison to Heath. People WERE complaining about Heath being cast as The Joker up until the movie came out. And in the case of some people (including a few members here), they are still complaining. Furthermore, Heath had never done anything remotely akin to The Joker before doing so. He was largely seen doing comedies, romantic comedies and period drama.
My point regarding the casting of Chris Evans is that he is an unknown in this kind film. Even the action films he has done had some degree of comedy to them. Or that flat out sucked for reasons other than his performance. He doesn't have as much experience doing drama and that is probably the biggest reason he took the part.
I'm not saying that he will deliver the kind of Oscar winning performance that Heath gave. However, I do suspect he will be better than his performance in Fantastic Four. And better than Ben Afleck in Daredevil.
What point of yours did I prove? Your comment was a sentence long, lol. If anything I expanded on or reiterated your concise statement, which isn't the same as proving. *nitpick*
Yeah, I just did that. :P
Quote from: NomadX on April 03, 2010, 11:23:06 PM
Quote from: Talavar on April 02, 2010, 04:13:35 PM
Quote from: BentonGrey on April 02, 2010, 01:25:08 AM
Yeah, but I have a hard time believing that there isn't a blond actor out there who could do as good or better of a job. As a matter of fact, I rather think that there almost has to be. :P
Make a list of legitimately blonde actors with some degree of fame (given Marvel's casting potentials, they weren't looking for an unknown).
Now remove all the ones that are too young or old or not physically fit enough. Do you have a large list of potential Caps? Because I sure don't.
Now cast the star of potentially two major franchises (Avengers & Captain America) from that list.
Disregarding hair color it still doesn't take away the fact that Chris Evans is a poor choice to play Cap. I'll always think of him as that guy from "Not Another Teen Movie". Also, I didn't really care for the Fantastic Four movies (everything about them just seemed wrong). But hey, if you like him as an actor have fun seeing the movie, I just won't be watching it.
Read what I've said in this thread:
Quote from: Talavar on April 01, 2010, 03:29:33 PM
Will Chris Evans be good? I hope so, but I'm not betting the farm on it. Is his hair colour relevant? No.
I have no real opinion on Chris Evans as an actor; I've seen him in 2 movies that weren't very good but that he was okay in. My point is that choosing actors based on
hair colour alone is ridiculous, and that deciding whether or not to see a film based solely on a casting decision seems like an over-reaction.
My real issue is with fans of geek properties who latch on to some bit of minutia that they dislike, and blow it way out of proportion in terms of its importance or impact in the story being told, and claiming its ruined for them because of it. It can be Spider-man's organic web-shooters, Hugh Jackman's height and theatre background, the exclusion of Tom Bombadil, James Bond's hair colour, etc., etc., etc., and 90% of the time these things don't matter.
Will Captain America be a poorer movie because Chris Evan's isn't blonde? No. Will it be a poorer movie because he's not the right actor for the role? Maybe. I'm at least willing to wait until I see actual information about the film aside from a casting notice before deciding whether or not to see it.
Quote from: Talavar on April 01, 2010, 03:29:33 PM
I have no real opinion on Chris Evans as an actor; I've seen him in 2 movies that weren't very good but that he was okay in. My point is that choosing actors based on hair colour alone is ridiculous, and that deciding whether or not to see a film based solely on a casting decision seems like an over-reaction.
My real issue is with fans of geek properties who latch on to some bit of minutia that they dislike, and blow it way out of proportion in terms of its importance or impact in the story being told, and claiming its ruined for them because of it. It can be Spider-man's organic web-shooters, Hugh Jackman's height and theatre background, the exclusion of Tom Bombadil, James Bond's hair colour, etc., etc., etc., and 90% of the time these things don't matter.
Will Captain America be a poorer movie because Chris Evan's isn't blonde? No. Will it be a poorer movie because he's not the right actor for the role? Maybe. I'm at least willing to wait until I see actual information about the film aside from a casting notice before deciding whether or not to see it.
I completely agree with everything you just said here. There's 2 big things that really irritate me about big budget movie adaptations like this. First one is when movie executives simply don't get the property they're making a movie about. The second thing is when fans get all bent out of shape over trivial details, like the ones you listed for Spider-Man, Wolverine, Lord of the Rings, and James Bond. It's absolutely ridiculous.
I'm cautious with Chris Evans because of the past roles he's done, including his ties to a previous Marvel superhero. Not because his eye lashes aren't the exact length as they are depicted in the comic book. But Marvel seems to be pretty particular with who they choose lately, especially considering how long it took them to pick Evans. And you know what? I hope they don't dye his hair blonde and leave it the way it is. Why? Because most of the time dying looks like an unnatural eyesore. See Kirsten Dunst's hair in the first Spider-Man, or Bryce Dallace Howards in the third (maybe a bad example, but you know what I mean).
Anyways, just wanted to throw in my 2 cents.
My biggest beef with Evans is that he played the Human Torch. For those of us who liked the Fantastic Four -- or even Daredevil, for that matter -- and continue to watch these films over and over, the problem isn't hair color, its a basic disconnect. I love Robert Downey Jr. as Iron Man, and think he's a great overall actor. But do I want to see him as Thor now? How about Doctor Strange? I have no problem seeing Patrick Steward as Professor X and Captain Picard. Two different franchises. But having the same actor in different leading roles in major Marvel films helps break the "fourth wall" that separates the actors and story from the audience. Is this a reaction from nerdy fans? Not at all. Sadly, many of the our best tv series stars never got beyond their basic tv role because the viewing public sees them as one specific character. Get Smart's Don Adams never got beyond being Maxwell Smart.
You can disagree, that's your right. You can be hopeful that Evans won't suck on-screen, as I do, though I fear for the worst. But to dismiss other people's concerns by referring to them as "fans of geek properties" isn't just a rude and dismissive argument. It misses the basic boat.
All I can say is at least it isnt Jim from the office
Totally agree with AncientSpirit. I already think of Chris Evans as Johny Storm in the Marvel movies. Now to see him as Steve Rogers is going to be very strange. Speaking of strange, I think that Robert Downey Jr would have been fantastic as Stephen Strange but it would be too weird now because I only see him as Tony Stark after seeing Iron Man.
Quote from: AncientSpirit on April 04, 2010, 11:51:36 PM
My biggest beef with Evans is that he played the Human Torch. For those of us who liked the Fantastic Four -- or even Daredevil, for that matter -- and continue to watch these films over and over, the problem isn't hair color, its a basic disconnect. I love Robert Downey Jr. as Iron Man, and think he's a great overall actor. But do I want to see him as Thor now? How about Doctor Strange? I have no problem seeing Patrick Steward as Professor X and Captain Picard. Two different franchises. But having the same actor in different leading roles in major Marvel films helps break the "fourth wall" that separates the actors and story from the audience. Is this a reaction from nerdy fans? Not at all. Sadly, many of the our best tv series stars never got beyond their basic tv role because the viewing public sees them as one specific character. Get Smart's Don Adams never got beyond being Maxwell Smart.
You can disagree, that's your right. You can be hopeful that Evans won't suck on-screen, as I do, though I fear for the worst. But to dismiss other people's concerns by referring to them as "fans of geek properties" isn't just a rude and dismissive argument. It misses the basic boat.
Dismissing
legitimate concerns of fans of geek properties is a jerk move; dismissing
trivial concerns by fans of geek properties - like those about hair colour - is important and necessary if fans of geek properties - of which I include myself - ever want our opinions to be heard by Hollywood.
Like I said, it is a minor detail, but it could point to something larger. Time will tell. In the meantime, however, the man himself has made a small comment on why he wanted the part:
http://superherohype.com/news/captainamericanews.php?id=9243
I think the biggest problems with fan expectations is that movies ain't comic books. Writers of comics and novels are not as constrained by real world issues. Movie makers may try to make things look outside of reality, but they have to work with reality to make that work. Movie makers have to deal with real people and real physics. A perfect rendition of the original property is frequently at odds with actually making a good movie. I can't say I like this fact, but it is a fact.
I just watched Street Kings. Evans played a serious role in it, and he played it well. Was it memorable? No. But he didn't screw it up. In fact, I dropped the "look, it's the Human Torch" feeling about midway through his first scene.
He's actually a pretty muscular guy, I think the issue is his frame. He'll have to go through a rigorous training regiment to pack on any more muscle. Which really may not matter if his costume is WW2 fatigues modified to have a Captain America look to them. Something similar to the first issue of Millar's Ultimates.
All in all, I'm a lot more optimistic about Evans playing Captain America. He's proved to me that he's not just a one trick pony.
Quote from: BentonGrey on April 05, 2010, 05:37:30 PM
Like I said, it is a minor detail, but it could point to something larger. Time will tell. In the meantime, however, the man himself has made a small comment on why he wanted the part:
http://superherohype.com/news/captainamericanews.php?id=9243
I think this article is good for a couple of reasons.
A) It makes a good point about Rogers as a character not just as a comic character.
b) It makes a great point about how actors should approach playing comic characters as though they are real people. And Chris seems to get that.
Having said that, it now comes down to the director's vision for the film and the script. Both of which can change and shape an actor's performance (particularly if the actor has any range). A good director will be able to someties bring a performance out of an actor than will surprise and please an audience.
Quote from: Mr. Hamrick on April 06, 2010, 10:28:23 PM
Quote from: BentonGrey on April 05, 2010, 05:37:30 PM
Like I said, it is a minor detail, but it could point to something larger. Time will tell. In the meantime, however, the man himself has made a small comment on why he wanted the part:
http://superherohype.com/news/captainamericanews.php?id=9243
I think this article is good for a couple of reasons.
A) It makes a good point about Rogers as a character not just as a comic character.
b) It makes a great point about how actors should approach playing comic characters as though they are real people. And Chris seems to get that.
Having said that, it now comes down to the director's vision for the film and the script. Both of which can change and shape an actor's performance (particularly if the actor has any range). A good director will be able to someties bring a performance out of an actor than will surprise and please an audience.
I think Hamrick has a point. If the movie is going to be a hit, it is going to have to have broad appeal beyond its basic fanbase. These movies cost a lot of money to make and comic fans tend to be niche group in most communities.
I can also see his point regarding the directing. Consider GI Joe, it was a lousy movie, but it had great special effects, and in spite of the apparent lack of rehearsal time, it did manage to have well acted scenes. It seems to me that the main problem with that movie was on the creative side trying to do too much too quickly. Under the right creative team, I think it would have been much better, and that would probably be a good warning for any franchised movie property.
Apparently Joss Whedon is going to direct the Avengers movie.
So.....David Boreanaz as Namor, Nathan Fillion as Hawkeye, James Marsters as Vision, and Allison Hannigan as Wasp or the Scarlet Witch?
Quote from: GhostMachine on April 13, 2010, 10:04:38 PM
Apparently Joss Whedon is going to direct the Avengers movie.
I'd be okay with that.. cause Joss really is good with the right crew and Marvel has been holding strong with the casting choices and writing so far with their tie-in movies especially Iron Man.
- CQ
Quote from: GhostMachine on April 13, 2010, 10:04:38 PM
Apparently Joss Whedon is going to direct the Avengers movie.
So.....David Boreanaz as Namor, Nathan Fillion as Hawkeye, James Marsters as Vision, and Allison Hannigan as Wasp or the Scarlet Witch?
Nah, Hannigan is busy with a TV show. Amy Acker as Scarlet Witch, Felicia Day as Wasp, Alexis Denisoff as Quicksilver
Quote from: http://marvel.com/news/moviestories.12060.captain_america_movie~colon~_peggy_carter_castMarvel Studios announced that Hayley Atwell has been cast to star as Peggy Carter in the studio’s highly anticipated movie "Captain America: The First Avenger" opposite Chris Evans.
In the early comics, Peggy Carter fell in love with Captain America while they fought together in the war effort. The character will be updated for the feature adaptation. Joe Johnston will direct the film penned by Christopher Markus & Stephen McFeely.
Marvel Studios’ Kevin Feige will produce "Captain America: The First Avenger". Alan Fine, Stan Lee, David Maisel and Louis D’Esposito will executive produce. The film will be released in the US on July 22, 2011 and distributed by Paramount Pictures.
"Captain America: The First Avenger" will focus on the early days of the Marvel Universe when Steve Rogers volunteers to participate in an experimental program that turns him into the Super Soldier known as Captain America.
I think this is a tad over the top, but i like this concept: http://tiguybou.deviantart.com/art/Captain-America-Concept-2-159230356
For the modern at least.
Im actually feeling that concept very much! It makes so much sense It looks like it has a little bit of Tony Stark Stark Industries Technology in it! Which would be exactly the case! :thumbup:
It's not Cap's old costume, but it's way better than the Armor he was wearing in the 90's. I like it, it goes with the Iron Man movie tie in.
Well, that's fairly hideous.
I agree that elements of it are terrible, but i think its a good start. Heres a different angle: http://tiguybou.deviantart.com/art/Captain-America-Concept-159224459
The relatively modern scale-mail version would work pretty well, so I'm hoping that's what we'll see. Just include a line of dialog about it being an early version of kevlar, and bam!
Can't say I like it. I'd prefer they stick close to Epting's Captain America art, maybe with a bit of Ultimate to it.
I could see that, but i don't know if it would work in a modern story. I love the look, but how do you make it without making it look like a soar thumb next to Thor and Ironman later on.
ahhh, go classic look captain america.in caps movie go classic. in the avengers movie tony can whip him up a classic look with high-tech materials.he doesnt need armor..he's got the shield!he's captain america not ironman.
Definitely don't like it at all. :thumbdown: I actually really like the costume used in Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2. That would look good or at least something like it.
Quote from: captmorgan72 on May 03, 2010, 01:58:40 AMI actually really like the costume used in Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2.
Yeah that's the direction I would go.
If the first one is a period peice I would like to see a costume like the original one in the Ultimates. Where it was similar to the military uniform at the time with a helmet and goggles.
http://img348.imageshack.us/img348/4929/074kr.jpg
I could live with the Ultimates version, but I want none of their stench on these movies. I really want them just to go for it and do the classic look.
I could lose the head-wings. They've always looked a little goofy to me, and generally speaking, human heads don't need hood ornaments
Man, without the head wings it ain't Cap.
While the classic look is nostalgic and all I just don't see it working well with the current superhero movies. Let's face it these movies arent quite targeted just for fans of the comics alone. I'm sure Cap will be semi armored just like Batman is.
Big superhero movies should never be targeted towards just fans. It's a niche. They always need to go for a widespread appeal just to earn their money back. The Losers and KA are prime examples of what can happen when you rely too much on a built-in, niche, audience. Both of those movies are being considered failures (or disappointments) despite their financial gains.
Obviously not every element from the comics translates well to the big screen, but I hardly think the head wings would be the straw that broke that particular camel's back.
Here's the MUA2 Cap:
Spoiler
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y246/podmark/CaptainAmerica.png)
That's the direction I'd like to see them go with the present day costume.
For WW2 I'd do something similar to the Ultimate design.
I'm in favor of the head wings, the Ultimate design always looks like it's missing something without them, but if they looked too goofy on a real life person I'd be willing to ditch them.
I suppose I would vote to lose the head wings unless the whole cowl is very well designed. I think you could easily lose them without losing too much in the translation. The things you can't change too drastically without totally losing resemblance to the character are the cowl's face, the chest/torso, and the shield. The wings absolutely can not flop around or stick out too far; ideally they would be most visible from the side view if they're there.
I don't like the 'modern-armored' Cap approach for bunches of reasons.
If Iron Man moves a bit stiffly, not a big deal. He's supposed to be in a suit of armor. For the ultimate athlete and fighting soldier, lack of mobility is a big problem. If he looks like he's in heavy armor, that's way out of character. Cap needs to move gracefully and fluidly and that getup is going to be anything but. Thankfully it's just fan art at this point.
well guys we're talking about the 40's.the head wings fits perfect with that era.i dont have a problem with them because thats just part of caps look.when people start changing things its not done right then years later we have a cap reboot movie.from what ive read its gonna have a indiana jones,rocketeer,phantom feel to it.i cant wait to see cap fighting nazi's in ww2.let's not go with what we thinks gonna be better..lets go with whats worked all these MANY years.classic red, white, and blue CAPTAIN AMERICA!
Yes that look has worked for years to comic book fans. Batman in the new Nolan films has armor but doesn't have that in the comics, why? Mostly because for people outside of the comic book genre it is hard enough to suspend their disbelief at a man wearing tights and fighting crime. The headwings can be there or not for the first one but I think it would be more believable to have his WWII era uniform be more of a modified military uniform than a super hero costume.
Quote from: Ares_God_of_War on May 03, 2010, 06:33:33 PM
Yes that look has worked for years to comic book fans. Batman in the new Nolan films has armor but doesn't have that in the comics, why? Mostly because for people outside of the comic book genre it is hard enough to suspend their disbelief at a man wearing tights and fighting crime. The headwings can be there or not for the first one but I think it would be more believable to have his WWII era uniform be more of a modified military uniform than a super hero costume.
Ares, Spiderman, Hulk, and Iron Man have all proven that audiences are perfectly capable of accepting comic book characters as worthwhile without them being filtered through an extensive revision process. You, and many of the suits in Hollywood, are working from false assumptions. Comics these days havea high enough profile that audience are able to deal with some of the more "comic-y" elements.
Quote from: BentonGrey on May 03, 2010, 07:03:41 PM
Quote from: Ares_God_of_War on May 03, 2010, 06:33:33 PM
Yes that look has worked for years to comic book fans. Batman in the new Nolan films has armor but doesn't have that in the comics, why? Mostly because for people outside of the comic book genre it is hard enough to suspend their disbelief at a man wearing tights and fighting crime. The headwings can be there or not for the first one but I think it would be more believable to have his WWII era uniform be more of a modified military uniform than a super hero costume.
Ares, Spiderman, Hulk, and Iron Man have all proven that audiences are perfectly capable of accepting comic book characters as worthwhile without them being filtered through an extensive revision process. You, and many of the suits in Hollywood, are working from false assumptions. Comics these days havea high enough profile that audience are able to deal with some of the more "comic-y" elements.
Ares?
He was referring to the poster named "Ares" as opposed to the mythological, DC, and Marvel character named Ares. He probably should have structured that sentence better to account for the distinction. :P
Haha,whoops!
Quote from: herodad1 on May 03, 2010, 04:09:29 PM
well guys we're talking about the 40's.the head wings fits perfect with that era.i dont have a problem with them because thats just part of caps look.when people start changing things its not done right then years later we have a cap reboot movie.from what ive read its gonna have a indiana jones,rocketeer,phantom feel to it.i cant wait to see cap fighting nazi's in ww2.let's not go with what we thinks gonna be better..lets go with whats worked all these MANY years.classic red, white, and blue CAPTAIN AMERICA!
I'm not talking about the 40's Cap. I'm talking about the costume that we will (eventually) see in the Avengers movie. I have no problem with the head wings if they look right... I simply have my doubts that they can make it look right (and not campy) in a live action film. Aside from that, I would totally prefer them to get as close to the classic Captain America look as they can without losing believability.
What I mean by that is, the actor wearing the costume has to be able to move as if he
were Cap. If it makes him move stiffly or if it looks like wearing it is an effort, it's not going to work as well. If the costume does not look as streamlined as it is in the comics, it's also not going to work that well. Further, I would argue that Cap doesn't need an armored suit. That's what the shield is for. Anything Cap can't block, he evades. And he really, really needs to move well with that shield; a bulky costume will just interfere with that.
True, the sheild is relatively heavy from what i recall. Light enough to glide, but it has to be a bit hefty already so i can see your point on that. I LOVE the Ultimate Alliance 2 look, and i think it could be done well. I do think, that WWII Ultimates needs to be the main look for Cap in the Cap movie if it is a time piece, only because at that time he wasn't really a super hero... He was a soldier first and foremost. When he came to the present he became a superhero partially because of the avengers and partially because of the legend he had become.
The main thing I'd like to point out about that Concept Art piece is that he based it on REAL technology that currently exists for military body armor. Sure it looks bulky but those that read the specs detail sheets on his deviantArt gallery show that the suit is made of heavy plastics, kevlar enhanced leathers and material, bulletproof glass over the chest and shoulder logos, and fireproof material for pants and joint areas... doesn't sound like a heavy suit of metal armor made by Tony Stark to me. Sounds like a state of the art combat suit and not any less unusual the prototype armor explained in the Batman Begins movie that Wayne adapted into his Batman suit. Captain America would want his uniform to withstand combat stress and small-arms fire that he can't swing his shield around to protect himself from. We also know from the Incredible Hulk movie that the original formula for the super-soldier enhancement would provide his body enough of a strength boost to more then make up for any extra weight that the suit would have on his movement in combat. And if you read the commentaries to the art design an actual soldier approved the design and stated that it would be very much like a suit of combat armor used in the field today if budget allowed for it. So while we may not see anything like a hi-tech suit in the Cap origin movie it would definitly be a good point to start from for his look in The Avengers.
The Iron Man movies also established that Cap's shield would be his classic round version at least once during his movie because Tony has a damaged shield that he keeps as a momento inside of his lab (it's seen on his desk in the first film and is rumored to be actually picked up and used in the second). I personally hope they use a version of the Ultimates WWII design for combat missions in that time era because it would make sense to be dressed like his fellow soldiers but still have enough of his traditional costume there to also be recognized as the inspirational icon he is meant to be. Now I wouldn't be surprised that we see a more classic costume version when he is first revealed to the general public during the USO tour.
- CQ
CQ, you always know how to prove a point! Nicely done! That was kinda what i was thinking, just really well executed.
Quote from: docdelorean88 on May 03, 2010, 09:08:08 PM
True, the sheild is relatively heavy from what i recall. Light enough to glide, but it has to be a bit hefty already so i can see your point on that. I LOVE the Ultimate Alliance 2 look, and i think it could be done well. I do think, that WWII Ultimates needs to be the main look for Cap in the Cap movie if it is a time piece, only because at that time he wasn't really a super hero... He was a soldier first and foremost. When he came to the present he became a superhero partially because of the avengers and partially because of the legend he had become.
Actually this is my whole reasoning with the Ultimate WWII costume as well. Add some wings to that helmet and maybe make it slightly brighter colors or something. I just think people would think a bright red, white and blue spandex costume in a period peice might be a little tough to swallow. Just like him having a teenage sidekick. He should have more of a costume in the present then in the past.
I don't read the Ultimate line of comics, so I'm not too thrilled that they decided to use Ultimate Nick Fury in the Marvel movies. But I can let it slide since its Samuel L. Jackson. But Captain America is my favorite Marvel hero/ so if they give Cap a costume that looks more like the Ultimate Cap's than the regular Marvel Universe Cap's, I may very well get homicidal feelings. (Wouldn't mind it if he has WWII gear similar to Ultimate Cap's, but NOT the regular outfit!) Absolutely HAS to have the head wings and exposed ears.
One idea I thought of that they could do to explain the head wings in the movie that I would NOT want to see adopted in the comics is to have them be made of sharpened metal. That way they provide some protection to the area of his head around them AND could cause damage to anyone who hits him there with a bare hand.
Quote from: crimsonquill on May 03, 2010, 10:22:59 PM
The main thing I'd like to point out about that Concept Art piece is that he based it on REAL technology that currently exists for military body armor. Sure it looks bulky but those that read the specs detail sheets on his deviantArt gallery show that the suit is made of heavy plastics, kevlar enhanced leathers and material, bulletproof glass over the chest and shoulder logos, and fireproof material for pants and joint areas... doesn't sound like a heavy suit of metal armor made by Tony Stark to me. Sounds like a state of the art combat suit and not any less unusual the prototype armor explained in the Batman Begins movie that Wayne adapted into his Batman suit. Captain America would want his uniform to withstand combat stress and small-arms fire that he can't swing his shield around to protect himself from. We also know from the Incredible Hulk movie that the original formula for the super-soldier enhancement would provide his body enough of a strength boost to more then make up for any extra weight that the suit would have on his movement in combat. And if you read the commentaries to the art design an actual soldier approved the design and stated that it would be very much like a suit of combat armor used in the field today if budget allowed for it. So while we may not see anything like a hi-tech suit in the Cap origin movie it would definitly be a good point to start from for his look in The Avengers.
I admit, I did not read about the specs for the armor. And I won't argue that it would be nice for a normal soldier to have such advanced combat armor.
BUT...
#1 - It looks so radically different from the classic Captain America look that it will be hard to accept.
#2 - Any armor that restricts full movement is by definition bulky.
#3 - The character may be a super soldier, but the actor wearing the armor won't be. Yes, I realize a lot of the fighting will probably wind up as CGI and it probably won't matter so much. But, again, anything that makes the
actor appear as if he is wearing bulky armor, or move stiffly, is going to be a bad choice.
#4 - I don't like it. You can refute points 1-3 all you want, but this one stands firm.
Another thought occurs to me...
Batman's armored costume allows him to shrug off weapons fire. Not only does it protect him, a human of normal physiology, but it contributes to his fearsome, inhuman appearance. Batman basically walks right through it and the bad guys have to wonder if he really is human. You don't lose the essence of who Batman is by using the armor, and besides that it doesn't look much like armor.
Now, apply that to Captain America. If he has literal armor that allows him to ignore weapons fire, what does he need a shield for? Plus, I don't want to see Cap walking through it. We get that effect with Iron Man. I want to see Cap using his agility to avoid being hit in the first place and to close in for the fight. It's a different visual effect.
One thing that the Spider-Man movies got right was translating webhead's fighting style from the comics into visual effects. He moved like we expect Spidey to move. That's really powerful immersion.
We need a similar viewpoint for Captain America's fighting style. He needs to move like we expect Captain America to move, and it is probably going to be very consistent between the WWII movie and the Avengers movie. We don't expect Cap to move like he's wearing armor... therefore he shouldn't wear any costume in either movie that makes it look like he is.
In other, non-speculative news, Red Skull has been cast! What say you, FRers. Is he up to your individual standards?
Quote from: http://marvel.com/news/moviestories.12326.captain_america_movie~colon~_red_skull_castMarvel Studios announced today that Hugo Weaving has been cast to star as Johann Schmidt aka the Red Skull in the studio's highly anticipated movie "Captain America: The First Avenger" opposite Chris Evans and Hayley Atwell. In the early comics, Johann Schmidt was drafted into loyal service of The Third Reich and renamed "The Red Skull." The character will be updated for the feature adaptation. Joe Johnston will direct the film penned by Christopher Markus & Stephen McFeely.
...
Weaving was last seen in "The Wolfman" and his voice is very recognizable as Megatron from "Transformers" and "Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen" as well as Noah the Elder from "Happy Feet." His other film credits include starring in "V For Vendetta," "The Matrix" franchise and "The Lord of the Rings" trilogy.
Wasn't that confirmed a while ago? I can see him being a good Skull.
Quote from: Podmark on May 04, 2010, 05:33:01 PM
Wasn't that confirmed a while ago? I can see him being a good Skull.
I don't recall it being confirmed, considering Marvel just did so today. :P. It was reported that he was in "final talks" a few months ago though.
Looking at the banner for that press release, I'd say any questions about his WWII costume have most likely been answered.
Spoiler
(http://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/content/st/12326header_banner2988061.jpg)
I don't think it's a terrible stretch to assume that is based off actual concept art. Doesn't have to be, of course, but it's a strong possibility.
Hmm. Interesting!
I'm surprise nobody didn't say this:
Maybe Cap will have 2 types of outfits. One from WWII and one for the Avengers movie, or at least it will get updated.
New villain announced--Arnim Zola.
http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethebox/2010/05/captain-america-toby-jones-to-play-scientist-supervillain.html
Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on May 07, 2010, 11:07:26 PM
New villain announced--Arnim Zola.
http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethebox/2010/05/captain-america-toby-jones-to-play-scientist-supervillain.html
He looks just like him.
Supposed description for the Cap movie costume:
http://www.spinoffonline.com/2010/06/01/close-your-eyes-and-imagine-the-captain-america-costume/
If that's accurate, it sounds like more or less what I expected, though I can't say I wouldn't be disappointed if it turns out to be true.
thats fan art that been passed around sites
Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on June 02, 2010, 12:54:51 PM
thats fan art that been passed around sites
TUE, the article isn't actually about the fan art. That is just there for color. The article is about someone who supposedly saw it describing the Captain America costume.
For the WWII movie, I can deal with that description of the costume. I would hope that Cap gets the more iconic look in the Avengers movie.
Interesting that we'll get both the Red Skull and Arnim Zola in the WWII movie. It fits pretty well, I'd say.
I agree with the description up to the red straps. I really like the suit shown on the redskull banner though, i really like the way it looks.
Newsarama has another article about the costume with some art. (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/captain-america-movie-costume-100602.html)
Well, if that's true (and I am still not ready to accept it until I see an actual picture), it could be worse. I really miss the head wings. I feel like the head of the costume is just too boring without them. Anyway, if they were gonna' go this route, I would have actually prefered they do something like this: http://www.ifanboy.com/files/images/marvel/Ultimate%20Captain%20America.jpg
As much as I hate the Ultimates, at least that costume makes a certain amount of sense, since it looks like a modified service uniform.
Either way, I agree with Bluebard, I hope we'll see a more iconic version in the Avengers.
cap costume designs
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/45326
Now THAT I like(and i change my mind about the stripes)! I do agree with Benson however, i feel that the classic war garbs should be used in this one. I feel the concept art is a modernised version of the wwII garbs. I think this real design would work well for his modern look. Its definitely good lookin though. EDIT: Might i also add that the model is clearly based off of Chris Evans. Perhaps a bit more aged, but if Evans can buff out a tad, than i think this could be good.
If that is the actual costume:
1. the design looks too modern to be used in WWII.
2. Overall I like. Again I'd prefer something closer the MUA2 look but I could live with Cap looking like this.
That doesnt look very WW2-ish. What Benton posted (Ultimate Cap WW2) is what I was hoping it would look like. At least cut out all those leg seams so it doesn't look too modern.
If it's his look after he's revived then it's fine.
Quote from: Mr. Hamrick on June 02, 2010, 09:06:39 PM
possible art based on this description again surfacing:
http://www.comingsoon.net/nextraimages/captain%20America.jpg (http://www.comingsoon.net/nextraimages/captain%20America.jpg)
Yeah me and UE posted that above.
See what realism brings to comics kids...horrible costume designs! Yay!
Yet another swing and a miss from Hollywood here. These boys are waaaay behind on the count. It always amazes me when they bury a character in body armour that relies on speed and agility in combat. Plus all those awesome pouches that he'll never use.
It looks like they might get the shield right...I guess that's something.
If that's the "modern" version, it's better than I expected (then again, my expectations were REALLY low for the modern uniform). I am hoping that the WWII one will be like the Ultimates WWII one, but considering some of the horrors I envisioned for the modern costume, I can live with this.
Quote from: Courtnall6 on June 03, 2010, 12:52:19 PM
See what realism brings to comics kids...horrible costume designs! Yay!
Yet another swing and a miss from Hollywood here. These boys are waaaay behind on the count. It always amazes me when they bury a character in body armour that relies on speed and agility in combat. Plus all those awesome pouches that he'll never use.
It looks like they might get the shield right...I guess that's something.
lol, mate you're getting predictable. I knew you would tear it a new one once i seen it. I do agree with you they have went overboard with the designs but the base concept for me works.
it maintains the look of cap but seems like something i solider would wear, well apart from the multiple ridges and pouches
Eh, it could be way worse. Basically, it looks like Cap minus head wings. Some of the minutiae might be off, but it could be so much worse. http://bluemoviereviews.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/cap-a.jpg (http://bluemoviereviews.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/cap-a.jpg)
Quote from: Talavar on June 03, 2010, 06:24:40 PM
Eh, it could be way worse. Basically, it looks like Cap minus head wings. Some of the minutiae might be off, but it could be so much worse. http://bluemoviereviews.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/cap-a.jpg (http://bluemoviereviews.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/cap-a.jpg)
You just HAD to dig that one up, didn't you?
Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on June 03, 2010, 06:09:58 PM
Quote from: Courtnall6 on June 03, 2010, 12:52:19 PM
See what realism brings to comics kids...horrible costume designs! Yay!
Yet another swing and a miss from Hollywood here. These boys are waaaay behind on the count. It always amazes me when they bury a character in body armour that relies on speed and agility in combat. Plus all those awesome pouches that he'll never use.
It looks like they might get the shield right...I guess that's something.
lol, mate you're getting predictable. I knew you would tear it a new one once i seen it. I do agree with you they have went overboard with the designs but the base concept for me works.
it maintains the look of cap but seems like something i solider would wear, well apart from the multiple ridges and pouches
Don't blame me...blame the clueless producers, directors, writers, and designers. No headwings means automatic fail.
A friend told me that he had read somewhere that even though in the initial concept art there are no head wings, that they still intend to have them. I'll see if i can get a link.
I kinda like it, but just kinda. Definitely agree with Courtnall6, no headwings on Cap means auto fail. They easily could of had the wings painted on the helmet at least. The shoulder armor is completely unnecessary and impractical. The red suspenders are for what exactly? To hold up his pants? To secure the unnecessary and impractical shoulder armor?
Take away the shoulder armor and suspenders. Give him red stripes down his torso. Color his boots and gloves red. Paint wings on his helmet and then the costume will be acceptable.
Looks:
1. Way too modern to be believable as an outfit he'd have in WW2.
and
2. Too *string of words not printable here* much like Ultimate Cap. Put the head wings on (actual head wings, not painted on the side of the helmet), lose the rig and straps and the red circle with white star from the shoulders and add proper stripes to the shirt, then color the gloves and boots red, and I could live with it.
One thing I hate about movie adaptations of comics is the need to provide an explanation when it comes to costumes. Over at Byrne Robotics a while back, I came up and explanation for the head wings (that I'd hate to see be used in the comics): Make them out of sharpened metal, and explain that they're for defensive purposes, not just costume design. If someone strikes him with a weapon in that part of the head, the wings will block some of the damage, and if someone throws a punch and it lands on one of the head wings, they're going to end up with their hand sliced open.
*continuously understands why most people outside the fandom think comic fans are too critical and stuck on their interpretations*
I don't get it. You'd be fine with metal wings that cut skin and add their own restrictions just because you want to see the wings there? Isn't that moving away from what Cap is just to have a visual element you enjoy from the comic? Also, I'd like to think most people would notice those things on his head in their inflexible form and not aim for it... and if they did, it'd also run a high chance of hurting Cap... which goes against your point of them being a defensive tool.
I also don't really get the Ultimate hate. People should be glad artists already provided some more "realistic" Cap gear for the movie designers to get ahold of and manipulate. Imagine what could have transpired if they weren't there? Do we remember how the earlier Cap movie costumes came out? Exactly. I, myself, never fully understood why the army thought it was a good idea for Cap to run around in bright colors other than being a giant distraction for the unmodified soldiers, which makes sense to a degree... except Cap commonly went on espionage missions periodically.
I just want damn headwings on Captain America. You know, like the ones he's been wearing for about 70 years now. I'm insane I know.
QuotePeople should be glad artists already provided some more "realistic" Cap gear for the movie designers to get ahold of and manipulate. Imagine what could have transpired if they weren't there? Do we remember how the earlier Cap movie costumes came out? Exactly.
Please Prev. You're not really going to use
horribly low budget costume designs as a reason why they can't make movie Cap look like comicbook Cap? I wonder if they even
tried to make it work on this film...or just went straight to the sad standard "All super-heroes wear body armour now! Thanks Tim Burton! You've shown us the error of our ways! Super-Heroes in anything other than molded plate armour equals lame!"
QuoteI, myself, never fully understood why the army thought it was a good idea for Cap to run around in bright colors other than being a giant distraction for the unmodified soldiers, which makes sense to a degree... except Cap commonly went on espionage missions periodically.
The moment you try to reason that...is the moment you out grow super-hero comics.
Wait, wait, wait... I grew out of comics because I applied logic to a situation... but yet I still review them most every week... but you didn't despite throwing harsh criticism their way every chance you get. Let's not be silly. Next you'll be telling me Luke Cage originally wore a costume and not street clothing of his time period. :P
I don't know. I think it looks alright. I think the reason there are no headwings is because they just couldn't do them without it looking too doofy, too unrealistic. That's one of a reasons why I hated the Adam West Batman show growing up, everything just looked so floppy and silly. Would I like to see the headwings? Of course I would. But if you can't do them so they look good, don't do them at all.
It sucks! :thumbdown: Looks too modern and reminds me waaaaaaay too much of Ultimate Cap. It actually churned my stomach.
GAAAAH! Why can't Hollywood get costumes right?! :banghead:
They aren't going to make movie cap look like comic cap because the general population thinks comic cap is lame looking. An average movie watcher isn't going to cough up 10 bucks if they think the main character looks dumb. Making $ > pleasing a small fraction of the targeted audience.
As much as I love Cap, I will admit he is Marvel's lamest looking iconic character.
I think the original thor costume looks a bit lamer than Cap
Quote from: murs47 on June 04, 2010, 03:03:59 AM
They aren't going to make movie cap look like comic cap because the general population thinks comic cap is lame looking. An average movie watcher isn't going to cough up 10 bucks if they think the main character looks dumb. Making $ > pleasing a small fraction of the targeted audience.
As much as I love Cap, I will admit he is Marvel's lamest looking iconic character.
What do you base this on? Most people I know who know who he is don't have any particularly strong thoughts on his appearance. In fact, judging from conversations we've had about this upcoming movie, the regard him simply as a comic book character, and they accept his costume because of what he is. Could it be made to work in real life? Yeah, I think there are certainly iconic looking versions that could.
I think that the general population (almost always) is more capable of suspending disbelief than Hollywood imagines. I mean, people are intentionally going to see comic book movies these days, DESPITE the fact that we've been told for years that comic books are silly and only appropriate for children. The populous has proven very accepting of the current spate of movies, including heroes who wear tights and things that are sillier than a super soldier in brightly colored chainmail armor designed to draw fire from the rest of the troops.
I don't have graphs and pie charts but based on current trends it's pretty obvious. Also, a movie studio like any other major business is going to conduct research to help gauge public reaction to a potential product. There's too much money on the line for that NOT to happen. Do I know the results of the research? No. Is it publicly available? No. And, from my own personal experience: Everyone I know that has commented on Cap's design, has said he looks "stupid." Keep in mind I'm the only person among my family and friends that reads comics. So, take that information how you want.
Personally, I could care less which version is used. I define Captain America by his fictional actions and beliefs, not his costume.
Have any of the recent movies used a mostly accurate classic costume? Can't think of any off the top of my head.
Quote from: Previsionary on June 04, 2010, 02:40:43 AM
Wait, wait, wait... I grew out of comics because I applied logic to a situation... but yet I still review them most every week... but you didn't despite throwing harsh criticism their way every chance you get. Let's not be silly. Next you'll be telling me Luke Cage originally wore a costume and not street clothing of his time period. :P
I have outgrown them. I don't read modern super-hero comics. Not because I couldn't enjoy them on some nostalgic level...but because they cater to the shrinking ageing fan base(The characters must age with me! They must have lives that now reflect mine! Everything must be explained to exact detail! It all must make sense to my now logical mind!") and the characters I once loved have suffered greatly for it. I still am a huge fan of the genre...but they are not producing anything I have any interest in reading.
Er... even those old comics had some sense of logic to them, so you can't really use that as a "modern" thing. That's a "writing" thing. Writers learn that; It's what they're taught. They had more leeway because of their nature, sure, but creators really didn't get off on destroying their own logical grounding. Heck, even the best fiction adheres to some form of logic, so that's not even an argument I can take seriously, but to each their own.
And I'd even venture out to say they're several companies out there, Marvel included, that still produce books you'd be interested in. Whether or not you go looking for them is on your end. Marvel had a whole line based on the classic setting and even ventured out and created minis for fans of the Classic X-men, Avengers, and etc. They're lesser known companies out there that enjoy putting out those stories. The last Spider-man annual relied on the silver age setting... so again, blanket statement not cutting it for me.
Ironically, I think the things you're trying to pin on the Modern age are actually staples of the golden and silver age. I can recall several upon several panels during those eras where the majority of actions were spelled out to me verbatim et litteratim. "Why was Human Torch able to boil out of this containment cell full of water? Why was Captain America able to hit all these things with his shield? Why did Thor lose his footing? Well... this is why: Caption full of wordy text." Things are a little more ambiguous these days. Besides, characters have always been reflective of the time. Saying they're not when we're talking about Captain America is kinda strange, no? But really, if you've the time or the interest, I'd implore you to go through those letter pages again and see, just like today, people thrived on things making "logical" sense within the barriers of established fiction and liked getting explanations and seeing their theories verified. The "No Prize" was created for a reason.
Back on topic, I just don't see the point of going crazy because something as minute as wings are missing. I think other elements of the costume are way more important, but in the end, if I can recognize what they're going for and can still identify the character, then I don't see the reasoning behind getting hung up on every detail not being translated. They're not making this movie for just "us."
Quote from: Podmark on June 04, 2010, 04:42:33 AM
Have any of the recent movies used a mostly accurate classic costume? Can't think of any off the top of my head.
ledger's joker maybe?
Kick-arse of course but that's not really a classic.
Spidermans was true to form and sandman was pretty much dead on.
I actually like these concepts. I think the suspenders would be good for parachute straps. Better for a WW2 era cap. The design looks really modern though. My main complaint is the bulky shoulder pads.
I believe they could justify headwings as radio antennae.
Especially if they were more streamlined art deco styled wings
Quote from: detourne_me on June 04, 2010, 05:23:14 AM
Quote from: Podmark on June 04, 2010, 04:42:33 AM
Have any of the recent movies used a mostly accurate classic costume? Can't think of any off the top of my head.
ledger's joker maybe?
Kick-arse of course but that's not really a classic.
Spidermans was true to form and sandman was pretty much dead on.
I actually like these concepts. I think the suspenders would be good for parachute straps. Better for a WW2 era cap. The design looks really modern though. My main complaint is the bulky shoulder pads.
I believe they could justify headwings as radio antennae.
Especially if they were more streamlined art deco styled wings
Two-Face was more accurate than the Joker in TDK.
Yeah Spider-Man, that should have come straight to mind. The only thing about Spidey is that he always wears that costume. 616, Ultimate, all the cartoons - they don't really mess with Spidey's look in anything significant. Superman is pretty much the same way.
Sandman was surprising accurate, and Doc Ock was pretty much prefect save for the fact he didn't wear a costume. I wonder if the new Spidey movies will go in the other direction.
caps costume is a product of the times.back in the 40's superheroes were a new concept.clothing designs were flamboyant.they went more for a look than practicality and function.also in the beginning,because he was the only one he was never meant to fight.they made him a symbol that traveled around the U.S inspiring our people and our troops.he stepped up at times to put down evil when it reared up.when he went full into fighting in the war his costume was a well known symbol that everyone at the time recognized.even today he's the same symbol everyone recognizes.the head wings are a minor thing.i like them myself because they're as much a part of him as his shield.
(thought I posted this)
I think it's perfect. Possibly the best thing they could've come up with. It's true enough to the original, it doesn't look stupid and terrible like The Ultimates costume, it looks AWESOME. I really don't know who was expecting him to wear cloth or spandex with wings on his hood. Don't get me wrong, Captain America is my current favorite comic book, but I really don't know how they were going to keep that costume in a movie. They nailed it, this movie is going to be so awesome.
(http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n301/captmorgan72/Cap.jpg)
Sorry, but this just looks so much better.
Yeah I gotta admit that look near perfect in my book, captmorgan72.
Yeah, I really think the scale-mail would have been great.
I like the scale mail also, but I'm not sure what kind material they could use to make it. Metal would probably get prohibitively metal and plastic or rubber would probably be too obviously fake.
Quote from: Tawodi Osdi on June 06, 2010, 05:26:29 AM
I like the scale mail also, but I'm not sure what kind material they could use to make it. Metal would probably get prohibitively metal and plastic or rubber would probably be too obviously fake.
I would make the scale mail out of Kevlar.
Quote from: captmorgan72 on June 06, 2010, 05:23:26 PM
Quote from: Tawodi Osdi on June 06, 2010, 05:26:29 AM
I like the scale mail also, but I'm not sure what kind material they could use to make it. Metal would probably get prohibitively metal and plastic or rubber would probably be too obviously fake.
I would make the scale mail out of Kevlar.
but Kevlar didn't exist in WWII. You need something that is based around the material they had then. I am not saying the costume is great but it's acceptable. more or less
Neither did super soldier serum, I'm just sayin'.
That armor just looks too cumbersome to me, and it took awhile for me to get used to those boots. I don't see a use for the belt, but otherwise I think it'll do...for now.
They could have used "Bakelite" to fashion his outfit back in WW2.
Wait a minute...
How come all of a sudden once we get hints of a costume design we assume that it will be the ONLY costume of Steve Rogers as Captain America... :blink:
I see up to three if not four variations of said costume during the course of the film based on bits of the storyline...
1. Captain America's USO tour costume (this is the one I see as the wing-headed tights look with his classic WWII shield) because it's purely for show and much like an Uncle Sam costume.
2. Captain America's WWII makeshift costume (take the USO costume but throw on lots of standard military belts, clips, hardnesses, pouches, and a combat helmet on his head) which he throws together when he realizes he is needed on the front lines.
3. Captain America's official combat uniform (looks likes his WWII Ultimates Costume) which is made to incorperate his patriotic colors into a more standard military uniform and he also gets his first version of his round shield (which probably might be shown given to him by Tony Stark's father in a military press conference of some kind).
4. Captain America's post-War costume (which looks to me like the design everyone is debating about) which is state of the art for it's time before he has his final run in with The Red Skull and ripped apart by an explosion and he is thrown into the ocean and frozen.
- CQ
Quote from: crimsonquill on June 06, 2010, 07:57:28 PM
Wait a minute...
How come all of a sudden once we get hints of a costume design we assume that it will be the ONLY costume of Steve Rogers as Captain America... :blink:
I see up to three if not four variations of said costume during the course of the film based on bits of the storyline...
1. Captain America's USO tour costume (this is the one I see as the wing-headed tights look with his classic WWII shield) because it's purely for show and much like an Uncle Sam costume.
2. Captain America's WWII makeshift costume (take the USO costume but throw on lots of standard military belts, clips, hardnesses, pouches, and a combat helmet on his head) which he throws together when he realizes he is needed on the front lines.
3. Captain America's official combat uniform (looks likes his WWII Ultimates Costume) which is made to incorperate his patriotic colors into a more standard military uniform and he also gets his first version of his round shield (which probably might be shown given to him by Tony Stark's father in a military press conference of some kind).
4. Captain America's post-War costume (which looks to me like the design everyone is debating about) which is state of the art for it's time before he has his final run in with The Red Skull and ripped apart by an explosion and he is thrown into the ocean and frozen.
- CQ
Great point. And probably the route they SHOULD go. Not sure if they will, though. Each costume would be an upgrade of the last more or less. The USO one might almost be like "dress blues" (i forget the army, marine and air force equiv but that's the navy one).
With that in mind, add a fifth costume and throw in whatever he has at the time of being frozen as updated by SHIELD or even by Stark.
All I'm going to say is, you could make a somewhat passable, servicable Captain America uniform using a mix of leather (his mask, gloves, boots, the stars and stripes, and the A on his head), chainmail (painted blue) and normal cloth. Hell, just give him army fatigue pants dyed blue and tucked into his boots.
New cast addition: Stanley Tucci will be playing Dr. Erskine.
I know he's too old, but I'm hoping they get R. Lee Ermey to play Sgt. Duffy.
Quote from: GhostMachine on June 07, 2010, 08:51:41 PM
I know he's too old, but I'm hoping they get R. Lee Ermey to play Sgt. Duffy.
Well, one would hope that R. Lee Ermey gets to play a cameo part or minor part in a Captain America film after all he did have a tiny cameo in X-Men 3.. so he definitly is open to appearing in comic based films.
- CQ
Tommy Lee Jones has joined the cast as Col. Phillips
QuoteMarvel Studios announced today that Oscar? winning actor Tommy Lee Jones has been cast to star as US Army Colonel Chester Phillips in the studio?s highly anticipated movie "Captain America: The First Avenger" opposite Chris Evans, Hugo Weaving, Hayley Atwell, Sebastian Stan and Stanley Tucci. In the early comics, Phillips recruited Steve Rogers to join Project Rebirth, the secret experiment that created the Super Soldier known as Captain America. The character will be updated for the film.
http://browse.deviantart.com/?q=avengers%20movie&order=9&offset=24&offset=72#/d2um2c9
Just some fan art, but what do you guys think about this poster? I like it!
EDIT: I also ran across this, and think that the subtle changes made to the costume work well
http://browse.deviantart.com/?qh=§ion=&q=captain+america+movie#/d2qzhvi
Captain America Costume Photos Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1310329/Captain-America-Motorbike-scenes-The-First-Avenger-film-shooting-London.html)
I spy with my little eye head wings.
Quote from: MJB on September 09, 2010, 08:01:06 AM
I spy with my little eye head wings.
It looks like they are just painted on the side of the helmet...which is even sadder than not having them at all.
Quote from: Courtnall6 on September 09, 2010, 12:10:42 PM
Quote from: MJB on September 09, 2010, 08:01:06 AM
I spy with my little eye head wings.
It looks like they are just painted on the side of the helmet...which is even sadder than not having them at all.
I'm quite sure the head wings will be quite visible and sticking out in all their glory on Cap's USO costume complete with metal triangle shield.
As I've stated before.. there will be variations of Cap's uniform starting with his USO old school costume, then a nod toward his WWII Ultimate costume once he modifies real combat gear, and then an official special forces Invaders costume with his unique circular shield for his final battle with the Red Skull (which I assume is the one seen in the photos).
Definitely looks pretty good even in just unofficial behind the scenes photos and being a stunt double version at that.. and I don't mind the wings painted on the helmet because really unless they had a real use they would just be pointless. I'm just going to take a bet that someone will walk by Rogers in his USO garb and say "wow...nice costume winghead" and that will be the end of the physical wings.
- CQ
Sorry, CQ, but neither you, nor the costume department of this film design better superhero costumes than Jack Kirby.
The headwings sold comics, films, and countless other stuff for 60 plus years. That says plenty to me.
You want to make a film about some drab mono-coloured special forces type, add another digit to the Rambo franchise.
I want to see the characters whose decades long popularity and costumes got these films made, not the watered-down, dull, everyone-looks-the-same-leather-catsuit-with-piping nonentities we tend to see all too often.
Ashamed of their "comic-book-sillyness"? Let me remind people, the movies came to us, and Spider-man and Superman made bucket loads of money, in the costumes they wore in the comics The silly, colourful, impractical costumes. Not some leather, forgettable, interchangeable "x-movie" rubbish.
Why are red gloves and boots deemed impractical and unrealistic? Because some idiot who has made nothing anyone will remember in sixty years says so. Red has been used plenty of times in real world armies and police (check the British army redcoat, or the RCMP). The costume is based on the american flag. That is, the "red white and brown"?
Feh.
Quote from: tommyboy on September 09, 2010, 01:20:02 PM
Sorry, CQ, but neither you, nor the costume department of this film design better superhero costumes than Jack Kirby.
The headwings sold comics, films, and countless other stuff for 60 plus years. That says plenty to me.
You want to make a film about some drab mono-coloured special forces type, add another digit to the Rambo franchise.
I want to see the characters whose decades long popularity and costumes got these films made, not the watered-down, dull, everyone-looks-the-same-leather-catsuit-with-piping nonentities we tend to see all too often.
Ashamed of their "comic-book-sillyness"? Let me remind people, the movies came to us, and Spider-man and Superman made bucket loads of money, in the costumes they wore in the comics The silly, colourful, impractical costumes. Not some leather, forgettable, interchangeable "x-movie" rubbish.
O.o Why do I feel like I just got slapped across the face for making a comment that Marvel Studios (who is the same folks who adapted Iron Man, War Machine, and Thor with quite some success thus far) might use multiple costumes including an adaptation of his classic costume.
- CQ
Quote from: tommyboy on September 09, 2010, 01:20:02 PM
Sorry, CQ, but neither you, nor the costume department of this film design better superhero costumes than Jack Kirby.
The headwings sold comics, films, and countless other stuff for 60 plus years. That says plenty to me.
You want to make a film about some drab mono-coloured special forces type, add another digit to the Rambo franchise.
I want to see the characters whose decades long popularity and costumes got these films made, not the watered-down, dull, everyone-looks-the-same-leather-catsuit-with-piping nonentities we tend to see all too often.
Ashamed of their "comic-book-sillyness"? Let me remind people, the movies came to us, and Spider-man and Superman made bucket loads of money, in the costumes they wore in the comics The silly, colourful, impractical costumes. Not some leather, forgettable, interchangeable "x-movie" rubbish.
Why are red gloves and boots deemed impractical and unrealistic? Because some idiot who has made nothing anyone will remember in sixty years says so. Red has been used plenty of times in real world armies and police (check the British army redcoat, or the RCMP). The costume is based on the american flag. That is, the "red white and brown"?
Feh.
Because what he's wearing in those pictures is a drab, mono-coloured, leather catsuit. Clearly. I personally see blue, white, red and brown, but apparently your mileage varies a great deal.
Quote from: Talavar on September 09, 2010, 02:42:06 PM
Quote from: tommyboy on September 09, 2010, 01:20:02 PM
Sorry, CQ, but neither you, nor the costume department of this film design better superhero costumes than Jack Kirby.
The headwings sold comics, films, and countless other stuff for 60 plus years. That says plenty to me.
You want to make a film about some drab mono-coloured special forces type, add another digit to the Rambo franchise.
I want to see the characters whose decades long popularity and costumes got these films made, not the watered-down, dull, everyone-looks-the-same-leather-catsuit-with-piping nonentities we tend to see all too often.
Ashamed of their "comic-book-sillyness"? Let me remind people, the movies came to us, and Spider-man and Superman made bucket loads of money, in the costumes they wore in the comics The silly, colourful, impractical costumes. Not some leather, forgettable, interchangeable "x-movie" rubbish.
Why are red gloves and boots deemed impractical and unrealistic? Because some idiot who has made nothing anyone will remember in sixty years says so. Red has been used plenty of times in real world armies and police (check the British army redcoat, or the RCMP). The costume is based on the american flag. That is, the "red white and brown"?
Feh.
Because what he's wearing in those pictures is a drab, mono-coloured, leather catsuit. Clearly. I personally see blue, white, red and brown, but apparently your mileage varies a great deal.
wow, that would be really cool and funny and clever if I'd actually said that in those pictures he was wearing "a drab, mono-coloured, leather catsuit".
But since I didn't say that, it isn't any of those things.
Still, feel free to come back with another witty riposte skewering something else I never posted if it makes you feel good.
Quote from: crimsonquill on September 09, 2010, 01:36:30 PM
O.o Why do I feel like I just got slapped across the face for making a comment that Marvel Studios (who is the same folks who adapted Iron Man, War Machine, and Thor with quite some success thus far) might use multiple costumes including an adaptation of his classic costume.
- CQ
Sorry, aiming less at you and more at the "realistic" costume designs of many movie adaptations.
No, you are right in that they might show multiple variations.
But what I've seen so far looks like somebody there prefers Hitch over Kirby, and I don't.
It just raises the question that people seem to have no problem with people flying, lifting up planes, crawling on walls etc, but costumes are silly and unbelievable?
Because I can wear a costume, but I cannot do any of the other stuff, so how can the costume be the "unbelievable" part of superheroes?
It's that disdain for the source material by people who generally have far less talent and imagination than those whose creations they are "re-imagining" (which is a lovely term for ripping off) that irks me, not your reasonable assertion that what we have seen so far may not be all there is.
Quote from: tommyboy on September 09, 2010, 01:20:02 PM
Sorry, CQ, but neither you, nor the costume department of this film design better superhero costumes than Jack Kirby.
Now that I can agree with.
The costume doesn't look that bad to me, but I do rather wish they went with the real thing. I'm glad there is SOME nod to the headwings, but it is sort of pitiful this way.
I'm *hoping* that what we're seeing is some kind of transitional costume, as CQ has suggested, and that the helmet is a temporary item. The costume itself looks a little bulky & awkward. Hopefully it will either look better or make better sense on the screen. One can only hope this costume iteration doesn't get a lot of screen time.
i'm not passing judgement until after the movie but i thought them drawing "abs" on his costume made me laugh. :lol:
Quote from: tommyboy on September 09, 2010, 03:50:24 PM
Quote from: Talavar on September 09, 2010, 02:42:06 PM
Quote from: tommyboy on September 09, 2010, 01:20:02 PM
Sorry, CQ, but neither you, nor the costume department of this film design better superhero costumes than Jack Kirby.
The headwings sold comics, films, and countless other stuff for 60 plus years. That says plenty to me.
You want to make a film about some drab mono-coloured special forces type, add another digit to the Rambo franchise.
I want to see the characters whose decades long popularity and costumes got these films made, not the watered-down, dull, everyone-looks-the-same-leather-catsuit-with-piping nonentities we tend to see all too often.
Ashamed of their "comic-book-sillyness"? Let me remind people, the movies came to us, and Spider-man and Superman made bucket loads of money, in the costumes they wore in the comics The silly, colourful, impractical costumes. Not some leather, forgettable, interchangeable "x-movie" rubbish.
Why are red gloves and boots deemed impractical and unrealistic? Because some idiot who has made nothing anyone will remember in sixty years says so. Red has been used plenty of times in real world armies and police (check the British army redcoat, or the RCMP). The costume is based on the american flag. That is, the "red white and brown"?
Feh.
Because what he's wearing in those pictures is a drab, mono-coloured, leather catsuit. Clearly. I personally see blue, white, red and brown, but apparently your mileage varies a great deal.
wow, that would be really cool and funny and clever if I'd actually said that in those pictures he was wearing "a drab, mono-coloured, leather catsuit".
But since I didn't say that, it isn't any of those things.
Still, feel free to come back with another witty riposte skewering something else I never posted if it makes you feel good.
No, I guess you didn't say that about those pictures, in your post in the Captain America film thread immediately following a post of pictures of the film's costume. What was I thinking, expecting your paragraph-long spew of bitterness to follow logically from
anything. My mistake.
Alright gentlemen, play nicely.
Quote from: Talavar on September 09, 2010, 09:07:47 PM
No, I guess you didn't say that about those pictures, in your post in the Captain America film thread immediately following a post of pictures of the film's costume. What was I thinking, expecting your paragraph-long spew of bitterness to follow logically from anything. My mistake.
I accept your gracious and fulsome apology.
We disagree on something that matters not a great deal, but you seem to have some personal issue with me.
I've already done this dance with various other people here and am bored with it.
Time to stop posting again.
Quote from: tommyboy on September 09, 2010, 04:03:19 PM
Sorry, aiming less at you and more at the "realistic" costume designs of many movie adaptations.
No, you are right in that they might show multiple variations.
But what I've seen so far looks like somebody there prefers Hitch over Kirby, and I don't.
It just raises the question that people seem to have no problem with people flying, lifting up planes, crawling on walls etc, but costumes are silly and unbelievable?
Because I can wear a costume, but I cannot do any of the other stuff, so how can the costume be the "unbelievable" part of superheroes?
It's that disdain for the source material by people who generally have far less talent and imagination than those whose creations they are "re-imagining" (which is a lovely term for ripping off) that irks me, not your reasonable assertion that what we have seen so far may not be all there is.
I can understand your frustration with the costume makers recent habit of making everything in "Realistic Ultimate" style (i.e. leather body suit with less emphasis on costume and more like uniform). You see this in just about every superhero film these days from Wanted, Hancock, Birds Of Prey, X-Men, and even Smallville on some levels. I think the biggest problem is that previous film failures where they got the Captain America costume so wrong (the '70s movies with the motorcycle helmet and see-through shield) and then tried to be exact while still screwing it up (the late '80s movie on DVD with the rubber ears and still being a cloth costume) just have made costume designers gun shy from adapting straight from page to screen. Spider-Man managed to get the costume just right (though not after lots of concept drawings from dozens of artists and fashion designers not to mention also learning from the '70s movies) and actually added to the design by making the webbing stick out from the protective suit under it (which I believe grew on fans but still bugged them that it didn't look like something a poor teenager could make at home) but then you sit and wonder that since everything from Raimi's versions will be dumped that also means that Spider-Man's costume will have to be remade from scratch and forced to be visually different from the pre-reboot films. Yeah, I think we all are getting a headache at this point.
But hold on for a moment... X-Men however is slightly different in the costume department because while fans remember the Uncanny X-Men costumes for being instantly recognizable for each character... they started out wearing uniforms with a team look and only using two colors. The blue and yellow versions of their old costumes with the belts, gloves, and boots just somehow don't seem to fit in modern times (if the film took place in the '60s and '70s you can believe that they might have tried for that look) and they went for the less creative black leather versions with colored piping instead.. thankfully comic artists revisited the classic uniforms in X-Men First Class and simplified them into body suits (and how much you wanna bet that these versions will be the basis of their look in the First Class movie because they fit the body suit style right away).
Getting back to Captain America, the pictured uniform he is wearing definitly looks like the concept drawings but going for red leather on the gloves, boots, and belt does come across as brown the more I look at it. Especially when you look at the other leather pouches and holsters strapped to his bike that are almost the same color as his red leather. I'm not thrilled with how it looks on a regular camera but I also know that color corrections and lightning are always enhanced digitally these days so maybe it might look far better once closer to the finished product. After all most of us were complaining about Thor's fake metal and padded costume until we saw the actual trailer and the helmet wing issue for Thor was put to rest with just one reveal at SDCC.
I'm just getting more curious to see what the other costumes from the film will look like.. especially Red Skull's makeup and uniform.
- CQ
Quote from: Talavar on September 09, 2010, 09:07:47 PM
Quote from: tommyboy on September 09, 2010, 03:50:24 PM
Quote from: Talavar on September 09, 2010, 02:42:06 PM
Quote from: tommyboy on September 09, 2010, 01:20:02 PM
Sorry, CQ, but neither you, nor the costume department of this film design better superhero costumes than Jack Kirby.
The headwings sold comics, films, and countless other stuff for 60 plus years. That says plenty to me.
You want to make a film about some drab mono-coloured special forces type, add another digit to the Rambo franchise.
I want to see the characters whose decades long popularity and costumes got these films made, not the watered-down, dull, everyone-looks-the-same-leather-catsuit-with-piping nonentities we tend to see all too often.
Ashamed of their "comic-book-sillyness"? Let me remind people, the movies came to us, and Spider-man and Superman made bucket loads of money, in the costumes they wore in the comics The silly, colourful, impractical costumes. Not some leather, forgettable, interchangeable "x-movie" rubbish.
Why are red gloves and boots deemed impractical and unrealistic? Because some idiot who has made nothing anyone will remember in sixty years says so. Red has been used plenty of times in real world armies and police (check the British army redcoat, or the RCMP). The costume is based on the american flag. That is, the "red white and brown"?
Feh.
Because what he's wearing in those pictures is a drab, mono-coloured, leather catsuit. Clearly. I personally see blue, white, red and brown, but apparently your mileage varies a great deal.
wow, that would be really cool and funny and clever if I'd actually said that in those pictures he was wearing "a drab, mono-coloured, leather catsuit".
But since I didn't say that, it isn't any of those things.
Still, feel free to come back with another witty riposte skewering something else I never posted if it makes you feel good.
No, I guess you didn't say that about those pictures, in your post in the Captain America film thread immediately following a post of pictures of the film's costume. What was I thinking, expecting your paragraph-long spew of bitterness to follow logically from anything. My mistake.
I agree with Tom...I thought the X-Men costumes were pretty bad too (why couldn't they wear their comic costumes in the films, if Superman and Spider-Man did in their films?) and the over-usage of brown in the movie Cap's costume is really unnecessary (I really don't like the scads of pouches thing either).
Dana
Hey folks, I'm going to have go ahead against the grain here. Not that I think THIS costume is great, but I'm confident that THIS isn't the final costume. By the time we see Captain America in the present day, I'm overly confident it will not be THAT costume. So quite frankly, I'm not sure how much I care how it looks now. I think they purposely wanted it to look, old-fashioned, bootlegged, something-modern-costume-designers-wouldn't-design, because that's exactly what it supposed to be.
Quote from: Shogunn2517 on September 10, 2010, 01:25:21 PM
Hey folks, I'm going to have go ahead against the grain here. Not that I think THIS costume is great, but I'm confident that THIS isn't the final costume. By the time we see Captain America in the present day, I'm overly confident it will not be THAT costume. So quite frankly, I'm not sure how much I care how it looks now. I think they purposely wanted it to look, old-fashioned, bootlegged, something-modern-costume-designers-wouldn't-design, because that's exactly what it supposed to be.
I think you are on to something there.
Plus, if I may be a bugger here to a few of ya... there is a really good reason for the color scheme. Equipment available at the time. Bear with me... much of that uniform looks like it could've just as easily been thrown together based on equipment found in the field as it was issued by the military. The exceptions being the helmet, shield and maybe a few other pieces. It wouldn't be too far fetched to see equipment salvaged off fallen troops by their fellow soldiers. Especially if the alternative was the enemy getting their hands on it.
From what I see in that shot, it's Steve Rogers in his first outing as Cap. By first outing I mean, before he is really "sanctioned" as being in service on the field. He goes out with a combination of gear from the USO show and what field gear he can find to prove he can be on the front line and not be a liability. From there, he gets a "red, white, and blue" uniform more in line with his USO outfit.
That said, I think Shogunn is spot on when he says that this is not the final costume. However, I do agree that its not really that great of a costume. However, I do not think there has ever been a logical explanation of why Cap never had "real service gear" in the original comics either. I actually like parts of the Ultimate costume more than the original.
From a costume designer standpoint, and I've a good friend who is one, it's not uncommon for multiple costumes to be designed and used. The biggest issue that usually comes up is THE MATERIAL. And just because a material is readily available present day doesn't mean that it was when the action is suppose to happen. I think this film is going to be a prime example of what happens when situations like that occur.
He looks like Steve.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=28518
WOW, I think he can pull this off, the looks, I mean.
Yeah, he looks totally different there--exactly like Steve Rogers.
I think he does look a lot like Steve...however, my girlfriend saw the pic, and just due to the brown hair, she thought he was playing the Bucky version of Cap.
More photos (http://www.comicvine.com/news/even-more-photos-from-the-captain-america-set/142206/) from the Captain America set. Looks like they're going to be as authentic as possible.
In other news, there is talk now that a Namor movie may be in the works. This shocked me.
I am growing more excited about this film with every tiny detailed shot! I have never seen a movie where Chris is serious, but just based on a few of his shots you can tell he has the personality in the bag. Really happy with this!
Yeah, at least they dyed his hair blond.
Chris is a blond (dark blond/light brown range), anyway...This looks like his normal hair color.
Dana
BTW: Did we already see these photos?
http://www.superherohype.com/gallery/captain-america/set-photos
Actually if you've seen any of Chris Evanxs other films like Push he portrayed a rather different role in it, which makes me think he's actually a somewhat good call for Cap. I mean they could have gone with Ryan Reynolds for Cap as well....
First photo:
Cover photo (http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/10/28/captain-america-chris-evans-2/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ew%2Fpopwatch+%28Entertainment+Weekly%2FEW.com%27s%3A+PopWatch%29)
I really wasn't sure Evans could pull Cap off, but he looks pretty decent in that photo. Real test will be his acting though.
Ehh.
This movie is going to be awesome. It's going to be huge and everyone will love it. Some of you guys might even like it.
Quote from: BWPS on October 28, 2010, 07:15:08 PM
This movie is going to be awesome. It's going to be huge and everyone will love it. Some of you guys might even like it.
I certainly hope so. I really want to like it, but I don't think that image looks particularly impressive. It's not terribly disappointing either.
I'll raise Benton's wager to a "Meh." There's something vaguely Rick Moranis about Mr. Evans's look, owing in part to the lack of blond hair.
:unsure:
...And that's simply all wrong because, you know, he's Canadian...
ow_tiobe_sb
Phantom Bunburyist and Whirled Braker
Needs more straps.
And pouches.
And piping.
And a leather trenchcoat.
With straps on it.
Awesome..
Quote from: tommyboy on October 28, 2010, 08:24:45 PM
Needs more straps.
And pouches.
And piping.
And a leather trenchcoat.
With straps on it.
Awesome..
Ohh, ohh! It DEFINITELY needs some swords!
Seriously though, those straps across the chest are the part that I like the least. They've got blue peaking out the sides...it sorta' looks like they're on backwards.
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=71252
Hrmm...mask-less Red Skull....
Some of those pictures are pretty cool, I think - particularly the one showing the old-style shield (kite shaped). But what would these boards be without crushing negativity regarding all comic movies and comics written during my lifetime?
Quote from: Talavar on October 29, 2010, 04:19:59 AM
Some of those pictures are pretty cool, I think - particularly the one showing the old-style shield (kite shaped). But what would these boards be without crushing negativity regarding all comic movies and comics written during my lifetime?
Horribly boring and misinformed, thanks for asking. ;) I actually think that this thread has been fairly positive.
The old shield!!!
This movie could be the worst movie ever... and I still wouldn't care --- I LOVE the old shield. :)
---RTT
Aside from my misgivings about the costume redesigns, the film does look to have a lot of stuff that's "true" to the source material.
There isn't a single one of the recent marvel film adaptations I've strongly disliked, I've actually enjoyed them all (though some were obviously better than others, and therefore enjoyed more).
This one looks like it could be good, too.
It would just be better for me if they did a more "Spider-man/Superman" approach to the costume design rather than an "X-men" one.
Touches like the inclusion of the original shield as well as the classic circular one do bode well.
I'll add to tommyboy's positive line of thinking that Hugo Weaving is an excellent casting choice (amongst other recent, fabulous casting choices: Robert Downey, Jr., Mickey Rourke, Edward Norton (and we'll leave it at that without interrogating current controversies), William Hurt, Scarlett Johansson, et al.). I will pay to view the film in the theatre just to treat myself to Mr. Weaving's performance. :thumbup:
ow_tiobe_sb
Phantom Bunburyist and Whirled Braker
honestly i don't mind the costume change, i can understand where people are coming from with the x-men and some of the others, but to me the cap one looks like cap he's a solider and i have to use the old clithce not everything on the page works.
i know my opinion isn't popular and i should be agreeing with most of use but if we got the 100% legit we'd just have a big budget version of the 90's/reb brown look and sorry but just throwing money at something does not always make it work
i think its gonna be good. he sure buffed up.
Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on October 29, 2010, 10:45:04 PM
honestly i don't mind the costume change, i can understand where people are coming from with the x-men and some of the others, but to me the cap one looks like cap he's a solider and i have to use the old clithce not everything on the page works.
i know my opinion isn't popular and i should be agreeing with most of use but if we got the 100% legit we'd just have a big budget version of the 90's/reb brown look and sorry but just throwing money at something does not always make it work
I agree 100 percent UE! Well put sir, very well put.
Personally, I always look forward to super hero movies with a sense of trepidation, especially if it is a franchise that I particularly like. I recognize that some things that work in one medium won't work in another. I recognize there are technological issues to overcome that might not work. I recognize that a movie writer has to look at characters with 40 to 60 years of history and make choice with as wide as an appeal as possible. But, I am always concerned that they will change things that are most important to me, and though I am mature enough to be happy for someone else who gets what they want, I still get disappointed if I don't get what I want. Among Marvel properties, Captain America is among my favorite character. I would rather go in with low expectations and be wrong than with high expectations and be wrong; so, I think I will keep myself at a cautiously optimistic level hoping there is at least something I can like, and if it turns out great, I will consider it a real bonus.
Quote from: Tawodi Osdi on October 30, 2010, 10:29:35 PMI would rather go in with low expectations and be wrong than with high expectations and be wrong; so, I think I will keep myself at a cautiously optimistic level hoping there is at least something I can like, and if it turns out great, I will consider it a real bonus.
I usually use the same approach with most things. It's a sensible way to do things.
I just saw from a cast list, that Bucky and the Howling Commandos will both be there.
I can't help but be enthusiastic about this.
Surprised this hasn't popped up here yet...
Cap in costume (http://spinoff.comicbookresources.com/2011/01/13/a-first-look-at-chris-evans-in-his-full-captain-america-costume/)
At least the blue is bright-ish.
Costume is okay, a little too busy, but I really hope it's going to be touched up in post because it looks a little too much like a guy wearing a costume.
I wonder who the guys in the back are?
Captain Frumpy to the rescue! :P
To me, everything except the helmet is just brilliantly designed. Extremely recognizable while still being acceptable. The helmet is decent, but the painted on wings seem like a bad idea. There are infinity different ways they could have gone with this costume, and I think this is one of the best.
Yeah. My first thoughts were that it doesn't look as... utilitarian as I thought it would. Not that I have the greatest problems with it. I too have a slight problem with the painted on wings. Probably could have done without, but in all I'm not repulsed by it.
Actually makes me more curious about what Present Day CA would look like.
Quote from: Courtnall6 on January 14, 2011, 11:46:04 PM
Captain Frumpy to the rescue! :P
I get you. It looks too loose and baggy for what we'd expect Cap to be wearing. Not to mention the tunic looks like somebody turned a flag into a quilt and then made it into a uniform.
On the other hand, if you're trying to keep things closer to WWII technology-wise... It doesn't look as bulky or binding as it could have been and it avoids the spandex look.
The shield is awesome-looking. So are those dudes in black in the back. I assume those are bad guys.
I'm rather pleased with that look for WWII-era Captain America. The wings had not originally bothered me, though I can understand why people don't like them. Still, actual wings would have been a poor choice from a utilitarian perspective, the painted wings are at least a nod to what his iconic costume looks like, and I find myself wondering if a solid-blue helmet would have been too plain.
Eh... aesthetics are hardly a universal science.
If Cap ends up in modern times in a way similar to the comics and not because of a certain artifact that's apparently in the movie, I hope the explosion damages his costume so they have a reason to re-design it. Maybe either Tony Stark or the Wasp presents him with a new outfit made of more modern materials that actually has a mask rather than what seems to be a helmet and mask in one. (But I bet he ends up still wearing some sort of helmet even if that does happen)
The wings being painted on is the only way I can seem them doing the wings without them looking stupid, and I'd rather have a Cap with wings than one with no wings, because I dislike the Ultimate Cap costume design and the movie outfit looks too much like it already.
Quote from: GhostMachine on January 19, 2011, 08:34:33 PM
If Cap ends up in modern times in a way similar to the comics and not because of a certain artifact that's apparently in the movie
What makes you say that?
Quote from: Shogunn2517 on January 19, 2011, 08:55:44 PM
Quote from: GhostMachine on January 19, 2011, 08:34:33 PM
If Cap ends up in modern times in a way similar to the comics and not because of a certain artifact that's apparently in the movie
What makes you say that?
A report that surfaced months ago regarding two artifacts that will show up in Thor and Captain America and will go on to play a prominent role in The Avengers movie.
I kinda thought I heard something like that but I never would have imagined that they would go in that direction...
Spoiler
two artifacts....
The cosmic cube and...spear of destiny?ultimate nullifier? I cant imagine what the second one could be.
Also, I kind of like the idea of cap being caught in some cosmic mishap instead of being frozen in ice. They could still play it off as a huge sacrifice that takes his life while saving countless others.
Quote from: detourne_me on January 20, 2011, 01:12:47 PM
Spoiler
two artifacts....
The cosmic cube and...spear of destiny?ultimate nullifier? I cant imagine what the second one could be.
Spoiler
It was the Infinity Gauntlet that was shown as the big artifact to appear in Thor since it was part of Marvel's Thor reveals at ComicCon.. The Cosmic Cube is hinted at in Thor but revealed in Captain America's film.
FYI, trailer is coming out within the next few weeks. Definitely during the Super Bowl. Likely to be released maybe the Friday before.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/studios-set-super-bowl-ads-73548
http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2011/02/02/captain-america-director-our-bucky-isnt-a-sidekick-theres-a-darker-edge/
Quote from: Previsionary on February 03, 2011, 01:40:59 AM
http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2011/02/02/captain-america-director-our-bucky-isnt-a-sidekick-theres-a-darker-edge/
Ehh....I don't really care for the sound of that all that much. Bucky as a soldier and a useful sidekick and partner? Sure! That's a great idea, and hardly a new one. Bucky using guns and such? Sure, sounds great. I don't much like the idea of them completely changing the dynamic between the two of them, though. If they're the same age you completely lose the father/son type bond they develop, and I think that's a shame.
This isn't something new, is it?
The only Bucky I know is Brubaker's throat-cutty assassin disguised as the Allies' Youth. But Brubaker psuhed these characters into awesome, so any inspiration for comic book movies should be drawn from there.
Yeah, I love how creative he thought they were being by making Bucky "dark."
The article says Bucky being Band of Brother-ish. Not sure exactly what that means, but that series was all kinds of awesome. Color me intrigued.
And I agree with BWPS, I hope a lot of the inspiration comes from Bru's run on the title.
saw this
http://comingsoon.net/nextraimages/captainamericaempirenew1big.jpg (http://comingsoon.net/nextraimages/captainamericaempirenew1big.jpg)
and something occurred to me: Cap's suit kinda looks like a modified paratrooper's uniform. Would make sense if they went that route but still a sorta odd choice.
Am I wrong in this observation? I know I have seen another uniform similar to that in style but olive green color scheme and minus the eye part on the helmet.
I do think they were going for a modified uniform look, and as such, and considering it still resembled the classic look, I'm all for it.
I'm also perfectly fine with Bucky being an adult soldier, which makes far more sense than being a teenage somehow allowed to fight in dangerous missions. That just makes no sense to me, and wouldn't to most modern audiences either. I suppose teenage sidekicks in general don't make a lot of sense, but that's a whole other topic.
I'm also okay if Cap is caught by a powerful otherworldly artifact instead of being frozen. From this I would assume that the Avengers will be facing
Spoiler
Thanos
either for this movie or the next one.
I also would like to say that I appreciate the fact that the Marvel movies are fully embracing the full backgrounds of the Marvel universe. Many naysayers, even on these very forums have thought that audiences can't accept comic book adaptations if they go too far that way. That's probably why the alien background of the Phoenix was scrubbed from the X-Men movies. This set of movies, however, is proving that it can be done, and done well, with Gamma radiated giants, superscientists, magical beings, and alien artifacts all put together in the same universe, just like the comics.
Poster is revealed: http://marvel.com/news/story/15133/first_look_captain_america_movie_poster
Looks like they touched up on the outfit. Does he have one outfit for WWll and one for now or it's the same outfit for both?
Quote from: JeyNyce on February 04, 2011, 05:27:55 PM
Looks like they touched up on the outfit. Does he have one outfit for WWll and one for now or it's the same outfit for both?
Last rumor was that there was 3 different uniforms for Captain A during the course of the film.. his USO costume (which is the old school scalemail with the wings sticking off his mask and the triangular shield), a thrown-together costume made from combat uniforms and parts of his USO suit (because he ditches the less protective parts and adds on more soldier issued accessories), and then finally his official combat uniform (the one seen in the photos above - which is presented to him by Howard Stark along with the prototype circular shield for his final battle).
- CQ
Quote from: Previsionary on February 04, 2011, 05:24:07 PM
Poster is revealed: http://marvel.com/news/story/15133/first_look_captain_america_movie_poster
That's just too cool. One of the best movie posters I've ever seen.
Man, that poster is frickin awesome! :thumbup:
Did anyone else see that?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jX-dpQAginE&feature=player_embedded
AWESOME!!!!! I had my doubts about this movie,but they're gone.
Quote from: JeyNyce on February 07, 2011, 01:33:05 AM
AWESOME!!!!! I had my doubts about this movie,but they're gone.
Agreed Jay, this is simply what Captain America should be. Chris has nailed that he is infact young, and it is clear that war is going to age him. I really think this is gonna be one of the best super hero movies yet.
Looked pretty cool. I was hoping it'd be longer though.
:blink:
I need to change my pants and will probably need to change those pants as well.
Quote from: Podmark on February 07, 2011, 02:42:37 AM
Looked pretty cool. I was hoping it'd be longer though.
To be quite honest, I was really hoping and looking forward to more action. But I wasn't disappointed. And judging from what he was wearing when he was talking to Erskine, looks like there's more of an overall theme to the costume instead of just an idle design(ie the headwings).
Yeah, I saw it and I liked what I saw. The transformation sequence was just about perfect and they did a good job making pre-treatment Rogers look very weak and bony. The costume look good enough. So far, they are very much on the right track.
Of the four superhero movies coming out this summer, my money is on Captain America to be the best of the lot. That teaser trailer looks good.
When I saw the guy punching through the window under water I instantly thought it was Namor, but rewatching he was wearing a t-shirt. But man, that would be swell.
I've been somewhat skeptical of this movie because Cap is my favorite hero, and sometimes, watching a Hollywood version of a favorite character can be a little painful, but this really shows promise.
Quote from: UnkoMan on February 07, 2011, 05:19:04 AM
When I saw the guy punching through the window under water I instantly thought it was Namor, but rewatching he was wearing a t-shirt. But man, that would be swell.
Considering that The Invaders are said to appear and a Namor film was greenlighted by Paramount.. I'm taking good bets that he gets a cameo appearance in there somewhere.
- CQ
Well, that trailer looked pretty good. I couldn't tell much from it, and I'm still not sold on him as Cap. However, that glimpse of the Skull looked great. A lot of the action looked pretty good, though, Evans doesn't really move like Cap should, you know? It's probably pretty tough for a guy as buff as him to move with the acrobatic grace I'd expect of Cap. There are a few moments where he looks good in the costume, though. They did do a FANTASTIC job making scrawny Steve Rogers look right. I'm still not a fan of the final version of the costume. The helmet with the eyeholes bothers me a bit, but at leas the whole thing is the right colors. The shield, however, looks great!
Whoa really, Crims? Well in that case, colour me super excited.
And Benton: I see what you are saying about him not moving right. The suit looks a bit bulky, like it would restrict movement, as well.
I wonder what it'll look like in the Avengers movie? (I'm assuming it will get a redesign.)
(http://spinoff.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/captain-america-the-first-avenger-5.jpg)