Freedom Reborn

I think I totally forgot this was coming down the pike.

Anyone interested?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvA797QHVww

Comments?

Omyghoshomygoshomygosh.......That's pretty darn awesome.  I have to say, this just looks FANTASTIC!  It seems like they are pandering to the movie crowd by making Iron Man the leader, but that is not something that bothers me since the line-up is so beautifully classic.  I CAN'T WAIT for this show!  It looks like we might finally have a worthy successor to JLU, and with my favorite Marvel characters no less! :D

HULK ISN'T SUPPOSED TO BE FOREST GREEN! HE'S SUPPOSED TO BE MOUNTAIN MEADOW! HAVEN'T THESE MORONS EVER READ A COMIC BOOK?!

... ahem.

I'll watch this, but I hope that was just a kind of teaser, not a summary of the actual movie.

Quote from: BWPS on March 04, 2010, 06:22:55 PM
I'll watch this, but I hope that was just a kind of teaser, not a summary of the actual movie.

It's a TV series BWPS, not a movie.

Looking forward to this, but I'm not huge on the art style. Kang looks awful.

Quote from: Podmark on March 04, 2010, 07:40:56 PM

Quote from: BWPS on March 04, 2010, 06:22:55 PM
I'll watch this, but I hope that was just a kind of teaser, not a summary of the actual movie.

It's a TV series BWPS, not a movie.

Looking forward to this, but I'm not huge on the art style. Kang looks awful.

I know, I was just testing you. You passed.

I'm with Pod... don't like the art all that much.  Iron man, Wasp, and Kang don't look... Marvelish.  It reminds me of an Anime artist doing a bad imitation of Kirby, to tell you the truth.

I agree about the art, but then I was never a fan of JLU's art style either.  As long as the animation flows relatively well, and the stories are good, I don't care overly much how it looks.

Again...the pilot looks like a rip-off of the Justice League animated series pilot ("alien" spacecraft/invasion storyline...Even the designs for the "alien" attack "vehicles" are reminicscent of those from the JL series pilot)...That's just sad.

Dana

also i hope they capture each characters strengths,weaknesses, and personalities from the comics.like i said before, i'm a BIG hulk fan but i wish they would have left him out.hoping hawkeye,vision,black panther, and scarlet witch make appearances.also wish cap was leading the team. MAKE MINE MARVEL!!

H.D...please use spacing and capitalization...you're posts are very hard to read.

Dana, one of the early Avengers stories (maybe an annual) with the original line-up of Avengers has Kang invade and something reasonably similar happen.  The ship looks pretty similar too.  They are, according to interviews, following the old Avenger's plots.  I even remember something about Loki being their first villain. 

This also means, H.D., that we're starting with (almost) the original line-up, and that we are very likely to see that change as the stories progress.  I think it's pretty likely we'll see the quirky quartet, Hercules, and other classic Avengers show up eventually.

It's been confirmed that Black Panther, Wonder-man, Jarvis, Loki, the Master of Evil, Odin, and others will show up during the series (Source: Phil LaMarr). As for leadership, Ironman WAS the original leader and he usually is put in the leadership position regardless of whether or not Steve is present on the team. That's not really something to complain or be upset about, me thinks.

Quote from: Previsionary on March 04, 2010, 11:19:44 PM
It's been confirmed that Black Panther, Wonder-man, Jarvis, Loki, the Master of Evil, Odin, and others will show up during the series (Source: Phil LaMarr). As for leadership, Ironman WAS the original leader and he usually is put in the leadership position regardless of whether or not Steve is present on the team. That's not really something to complain or be upset about, me thinks.

I wouldn't say he was the original leader, Prev., as they had a rotating chairman from the get-go (ALTHOUGH, it may have been Iron Man who brought them together in the first story), and Captain America was treated as a leader-figure, even if he wasn't running the team.  Still, don't misunderstand me, I am NOT complaining about anything.  I'm thrilled that this is finally coming out.  I would love to have another superhero show that my wife and I could actually stand to watch.  I can sometimes stomach Batman: The Brave and the Bold, but she definitely can't.  We used to watch JLU together (and she enjoyed it more than she admits!), but since it's gone off there hasn't been anything like it.  This show looks like it might actually manage to do something similar.

Quote from: cmdrkoenig67 on March 04, 2010, 10:17:23 PM
Again...the pilot looks like a rip-off of the Justice League animated series pilot ("alien" spacecraft/invasion storyline...Even the designs for the "alien" attack "vehicles" are reminicscent of those from the JL series pilot)...That's just sad.

Dana

Actually, the plot looks like it was taken from Avengers (1st series) #8, which was Kang's first appearance.

Quote from: BentonGrey on March 05, 2010, 12:07:33 AM

Quote from: Previsionary on March 04, 2010, 11:19:44 PM
It's been confirmed that Black Panther, Wonder-man, Jarvis, Loki, the Master of Evil, Odin, and others will show up during the series (Source: Phil LaMarr). As for leadership, Ironman WAS the original leader and he usually is put in the leadership position regardless of whether or not Steve is present on the team. That's not really something to complain or be upset about, me thinks.

I wouldn't say he was the original leader, Prev., as they had a rotating chairman from the get-go (ALTHOUGH, it may have been Iron Man who brought them together in the first story), and Captain America was treated as a leader-figure, even if he wasn't running the team.  Still, don't misunderstand me, I am NOT complaining about anything.  I'm thrilled that this is finally coming out.  I would love to have another superhero show that my wife and I could actually stand to watch.  I can sometimes stomach Batman: The Brave and the Bold, but she definitely can't.  We used to watch JLU together (and she enjoyed it more than she admits!), but since it's gone off there hasn't been anything like it.  This show looks like it might actually manage to do something similar.

Er, I didn't even make a reference to your post, but thanks for the extraneous details, I suppose.

Link down already.   :(

Here's a pic:

http://www.animatedsuperheroes.com/labels/2011%20Avengers%20Earth%27s%20Mightiest%20Heroes.html

Thanks Jey, I'd seen that main pic in the other thread, (and almost got excited when I saw the trailer embed, but it's down, too), but I hadn't seen any of the additional images they had lower down.  Was really wanting to see how the designs looked animated, but I suppose I'll have to wait.

So, will this be only airing on Disney XD?  I'm not even sure I get that channel, and if I do, I have no idea if it's part of our cable package, or if it's a premium channel (which I'm thinking it is).  I don't feel like going to a website to watch it, as I want to be relaxing in front of the tube for that sort of entertainment, not hunched over my laptop with headphones on to hear it properly.

Just to nitpick a little, do we think they're really planning on having Janet in the SAME OUTFIT every episode?  I know it makes the animators jobs easier, but it totally drops one of the more intersting/humorous quirks of the team.  Oh well, I suppose it can't be perfect.  (still happy to see Ultron, though!  wonder if Red Skull will be part of the micro-series or the main episodes)

Haha, yeah, it would be pretty funny to have her wearing a different costume every episode (by the way, I got such a kick, the second time I played through The Strangers, because I had read the old Avengers comics by then and The Spider changing costumes constantly was hilarious).  Speaking of her costume, I really like that look, and I liked her little tiny bit of action in the trailer.  It looks like they will actually make her useful.

Having re-read Avengers #1-16 yesterday, Jan is one of the most annoying females from that time period. Hopefully they have her with a lot more depth than she had in her early days.

Good buddy, PG, you can find the trailer here: click (http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid16671792001?bctid=1849017750)

Yeah, I rox w/ the googlez

Quote from: Previsionary on March 05, 2010, 05:22:52 PM
Having re-read Avengers #1-16 yesterday, Jan is one of the most annoying females from that time period. Hopefully they have her with a lot more depth than she had in her early days.

Good buddy, PG, you can find the trailer here: click (http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid16671792001?bctid=1849017750)

Yeah, I rox w/ the googlez

Yeah, Prev., I share that hope.  The fact that she's actually DOING something in the fight is, I hope, a good sign. 

*watches the trailer*

awww....just a cardboard cut-out Red Skull.  :(

Liked the way Thor was layin' the smack down.  Cap looks spot-on!

I must say, I'm actually excited about this.  It has much potential goodness.

Some news from C2E2:

Quote"It seems that the show will kick off with a "Prison Break" premise, with the Avengers gathering in response to the huge threat."
"We see Black Panther, Hulk, Cap, Thor ("MIDGARD!"), Wasp, Giant-Man, Nick Fury, Loki . . . the theme song ROCKS."
"Screen shots of individual characters: Loki, Hawkeye, Ultron, Black Widow, Kang, Hydra (with about seven big villains, including Red Skull, Viper and Arnim Zola)."
"They'll explore "from the early Stan Lee days to today"
"Fury is Ultimate in a SHIELD outfit."
"Avengers debuts this fall on Disney XD"

All of this sounds good to me.

Quote from: Podmark on April 17, 2010, 11:15:14 PM
Some news from C2E2:

Quote"It seems that the show will kick off with a "Prison Break" premise, with the Avengers gathering in response to the huge threat."
"We see Black Panther, Hulk, Cap, Thor ("MIDGARD!"), Wasp, Giant-Man, Nick Fury, Loki . . . the theme song ROCKS."
"Screen shots of individual characters: Loki, Hawkeye, Ultron, Black Widow, Kang, Hydra (with about seven big villains, including Red Skull, Viper and Arnim Zola)."
"They'll explore "from the early Stan Lee days to today"
"Fury is Ultimate in a SHIELD outfit."
"Avengers debuts this fall on Disney XD"

All of this sounds good to me.

All except for the channel it's on.  It's not part of our package.  I have a bad feeling I'll have to resort to trying to watch these online.....on a smaller screen.   :(  :thumbdown:

Quote from: Panther_Gunn on April 17, 2010, 11:44:08 PM
All except for the channel it's on.  It's not part of our package.  I have a bad feeling I'll have to resort to trying to watch these online.....on a smaller screen.   :(  :thumbdown:

Yeah that's true. I'm in Canada and don't get XD regardless, so I'm hoping it will be on Teletoon or YTV. It probably will.

You know, it's an interesting transition Nick Fury has taken. The 90s used 616 Nick Fury everywhere. Who would have thought that just 1 decade later, they'd keep using Ultimate Nick Fury with 616 elements. It's produced such a mixed result. :P

Also Wolverine and the X-Men Season 2 has been cancelled due to lack of financing.

Quote from: Podmark on April 18, 2010, 02:22:46 AM
Also Wolverine and the X-Men Season 2 has been cancelled due to lack of financing.

Are you kidding me? I feel... like Marvel is trying to break up with its fanbase and they're just doing everything they can to make us upset before dropping the axe, "It's over, fans. We're over you, and we're moving on!"

Well, they won't see me grovel. I ain't gonna be crawling because of this news. I simply will not. WILL NOT! But... I was looking forward to more Colossus and the intro of Jubilation Lee. :(. Two good shows gone in a year... must be a personal record.

Bah for Ultimate Fury.  Everything else sounds good.

yeah, whats wrong with the ORIGINAL nick fury.  :huh:

I understand that they want to tie everything in to their movies, but still....I like classic Fury. :)

Quote from: BentonGrey on April 19, 2010, 12:28:04 AM
I understand that they want to tie everything in to their movies, but still....I like classic Fury. :)

Same here, I like the Samuel Jackson type Fury, but I grew up with Classic Fury!

Personally I prefer the Ultimate style Fury, the original has only rarely appealed to me. I think the major reason they are going Ultimate is the movie connection.

so whats the date on this show? :)

Quote from: herodad1 on July 12, 2010, 12:45:52 PM
so whats the date on this show? :)

I think it's supposed to start in the fall.

They announced that more details including cast news will be revealed at ComicCon LA in just a few weeks and 2 episodes will be screened for the audience that attends the Marvel Animation conference during the con.

- CQ

I am sooooo excited for this show!  The Ultimate Fury thing is going to gall me, but the rest of the show should be AWESOME!

You know, I'd mind the Ultimate Fury less if they were going with Ultimate style characters and stories, but it seems they completely are not, so I don't quite understand it.

But I'll watch and enjoy this as much as they play it... as long as it don't get overly kiddy.

i still say loose the hulk and bring in vision,hawkeye,black panther, and quicksilver.

Quote from: herodad1 on July 14, 2010, 02:29:27 AM
i still say loose the hulk and bring in vision,hawkeye,black panther, and quicksilver.

If they are following the comics, like they say they are, then we should see those guys eventually.  They implied earlier that there would be cast changes, which is just AWESOME!

Confirmed characters for the series so far:

Captain America
Iron Man
Thor
the Hulk
Ant-Man
the Wasp
Hawkeye
JARVIS (based on the spelling I'm assuming this is the AI from the Iron Man movies)
Wonder Man
Pepper Potts
Balder
Black Panther
Loki
Odin
Kang
the Absorbing Man

Edit:
Forgot Nick Fury of course. The Masters of Evil are also in it but I'm not sure which ones.
Similar to Wolverine and the X-Men it sounds like Marvel plans to use as many characters as they can.

Ohh!  Maybe we'll see Hawkeye as a villain first....I would also KILL to see Swordsman join the Avengers eventually.

Honestly I never cared about Nick Fury until maybe around Civil War when he became this central to the story renegade spy. As for ultimate I like his dark side (very ruthless, very black ops) but I think cloning Samuel Jackson was a cynical move on their behalf. Still when it comes to the Ultimate universe I complain when characters are too similar... like The Punisher or Daredevil.

News:

2 episodes + extras are premiering THIS MINUTE at San Diego Comic Con. It seems the first two episodes are full of villains and Black Widow, Hawkeye, and Hank Pym will be battling some of them. Doc Samson and Balder are also in the first episode, and we get to visit The Vault.

Check the RSS feed for a better coverage of what's included in the first two episodes and how the Avengers are formed this time around: Live Blog (http://rss.coveritlive.com/rss.php?altcast_code=ea269cfbb9)

In other news, new trailer should be premiering next week, iirc.

Sounds great!  What's the Vault?

Quote from: BentonGrey on July 25, 2010, 01:14:54 AM
Sounds great!  What's the Vault?

It's a supervillain prison.

Quote from: Podmark on July 25, 2010, 01:35:34 AM

Quote from: BentonGrey on July 25, 2010, 01:14:54 AM
Sounds great!  What's the Vault?

It's a supervillain prison.

Ahh...I think I knew that somewhere in the dim recesses of my mind...

New Avengers Trailer: http://media.tv.ign.com/media/142/14288081/vids_1.html

IGN review: http://tv.ign.com/articles/110/1108401p1.html

Wow!  This can NOT get here soon enough!

Hate that song though. Otherwise, this looks pretty good.

Sweet :cool:

By the looks of the trailer it should be called Iron Man and The Avengers. It's sad sight when Captain America, Superman, and Cyclops have been pushed out of their leadership roles for Iron Man, Batman, and Wolverine. Stupid successful movie franchises! :P

Theme song sounds silly but otherwise it's looking pretty good.

Quote from: Courtnall6 on July 25, 2010, 06:27:23 PM
By the looks of the trailer it should be called Iron Man and The Avengers. It's sad sight when Captain America, Superman, and Cyclops have been pushed out of their leadership roles for Iron Man, Batman, and Wolverine. Stupid successful movie franchises! :P

Pah! If they'd have stuck with following the original comics, Capt still wouldn't have been heavily involved until after the second or third episode. :P Since it's based more so on New Avengers (atm)... Ironman getting the heavy focus is kinda appropriate. I'm sure Capt will take over once he joins the team (or is unfrozen) and begin his gradual transition into being seen as the de facto leader.

*The trailer is mostly made up of scenes from the first 2 episodes, which Cap isn't in*

CBR has a summary of the first two episodes here:
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=27579

I have the Canadian air date for the show:
Friday, October 22 at 8 p.m on Teletoon.

All I know for the US is that it will air in the fall.

There will also be 20 micro episodes that will be streamed on Marvel and Teletoon's web sites in September, October and November.  Apparently "They will each be five-and-a-half minutes long and will focus on the individual members of the team before the team actually comes together".

All this comes from a CBR Toronto Fan Expo report:
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=28219

An episode of the micro series just aired on Teletoon after the Clone Wars premiere, I didn't know this would be on so I have no idea if it's the first one. It focused on Iron Man and it was pretty much Iron Man the Movie the cartoon. Rhodey, Pepper and the AI JARVIS were in it and Tony fought Hydra. It was maybe five minutes. It was so unexpected and short that I wasn't able to form much of an opinion.

For any Canadian viewers, that short and three others (making up 20 minutes of footage in total) are featured on Teletoon's site in the video section.

I was going to check the Disney XD site, so see if that stuff was on there for US residents, but I found the whole "this content is not available in your region" nonsense reached its terrifying conclusion: as a internet user in Canada, I can't even access the site , let alone access the videos. So one of our US users is going to have to check if we want to know if those videos are up. Have I mentioned I hate that whole region-locked content thing?

Quote from: Silver Shocker on September 19, 2010, 07:00:33 AMas a internet user in Canada, I can't even access the site , let alone access the videos. So one of our US users is going to have to check if we want to know if those videos are up.

I poked around and didn't see anything. But the site is such a cluttered, confusing mess that it might be there and I just couldn't find it.   <_<

Marvel has announced that the show will premier on Disney XD (digital/satellite channel) on Oct. 20th. Micro episodes will start streaming on Wednesday on Marvel.com

From a press release...

The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes!, an all-new animated series featuring the best of the best in the Marvel Universe, premieres Wednesday, OCTOBER 20 (8:30 p.m., ET/PT) on Disney XD. Produced by Marvel Animation, the series stars the world's greatest heroes — Iron Man, Thor, Captain America, The Hulk, Ant-Man/Giant Man and Wasp — who form the Avengers, a team assembled when the powers of a single hero are not enough to save the world.

Beginning Wednesday, September 22, Disney XD, DisneyXD.com/Avengers, Marvel.com, MarvelKids.com and Disney XD Mobile will roll out 20 micro-episodes introducing the team's core members. Each five-and-half-minute episode focuses on the back story, allies and nemeses of the heroes before the Avengers were formed.

In the two-part series premiere, "The Breakout," Iron Man, Hulk, Thor, Ant-Man and Wasp have defeated some of the most dangerous Super Villains on the planet. But when the Super Villain prison system mysteriously shuts down, chaos is unleashed on the world. Earth's Mightiest Heroes must now band together as the Avengers to protect the planet from the threats that no single Super Hero could face alone. Their first task is to try and stop Graviton, a being whose power dwarfs anything ever seen. He's after Nick Fury, but will destroy the world to get to him. Individually the heroes have no chance, but together they can make a difference.

The complete multiplatform rollout is:

*Wednesday, September 22 - Disney XD will air a special sneak peek of the first micro-series episode, "Iron Man is Born!," at 8:30 p.m., ET/PT directly following premiere of the network's newest series, "Pair of Kings."

*DisneyXD.com/Avengers, Marvel.com, MarvelKids.com and Disney XD Mobile will unveil a new micro-episode every day, for 20 days, leading up to the micro-episodes' premiere on Disney XD. DisneyXD.com/Avengers will also feature a gallery of each of the Avengers and offer inside information about Kang, Loki and the rest of the "most wanted" Marvel Super Villains.
 
*Tuesday, October 5 - Select micro-episodes will be made available as a free preview on iTunes.
 
*Monday, October 11 - Disney XD will roll out all 20 micro-episodes during "Avengers Week" from Monday, October 11 to Friday, October 15, with four micro-episodes stacked each night at 8:30 p.m., ET/PT.

*The complete micro-series becomes available on Disney XD on Demand on AT&T, Verizon, Charter and Cox.
 
*Wednesday, October 20 - The highly anticipated series premiere of "The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes!" airs with two back-to-back episodes from 8:30 p.m. – 9:30 p.m., ET/PT. The series also launches on DisneyXD.com/Avengers, Marvel.com and Marvelkids.com.
 
*Thursday, October 21 - Full episodes launch on iTunes, Xbox Live, Sony Playstation and Disney XD Mobile VOD.
 
*Monday, October 25 - The series becomes available on Disney XD on Demand on AT&T, Verizon, Charter and Cox.

Iron Man Is Born! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmj4Rqpek7Q)

"This video contains content from Disney Channel, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7kO7J3ua9c Here's (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7kO7J3ua9c%20Here's) the same episode on Marvel's Youtube Channel (which works on my computer).

Thanks for the link.

Nice. The guy imitating RDJ is good. My only problem would be the design of Tony Stark. The voice and that face just don't match. He looks more like Count Nefaria than Tony Stark.

Quote from: Silver Shocker on September 23, 2010, 02:26:24 PM
"This video contains content from Disney Channel, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7kO7J3ua9c Here's (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7kO7J3ua9c%20Here's) the same episode on Marvel's Youtube Channel (which works on my computer).

It worked when I linked it on Tuesday.

The episodes are streaming on Marvel.com, so I'm not particularly sure why youtube is needed. Episode 2 was released earlier today.

Quote from: Shogunn2517 on September 23, 2010, 08:50:32 PM

Quote from: Silver Shocker on September 23, 2010, 02:26:24 PM
"This video contains content from Disney Channel, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7kO7J3ua9c Here's (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7kO7J3ua9c%20Here's) the same episode on Marvel's Youtube Channel (which works on my computer).

It worked when I linked it on Tuesday.

I assume it's because I'm in Canada and it's just that region locking stuff I mentioned earlier.

Cool videos.
Iron Man - They kept the Robert Downey Jr attitude, which is cool
The Hulk/ Banner is like Ed Norton.  I'm surprise they didn't make it look like the new guy
AntMan - Is my favorite so far, Smart & Funny.  The wasp is okay, but she doesn't fit with Antman.  She seems more like his kid sister then girlfriend, but I'll hold judgment on her.

Yeah I liked the Antman one a lot too. Hank's my favorite Avenger so it was great seeing him in action. I've liked the micro episodes so far, makes me think this show will live up to it's premise.

I also liked the Edward Norton style Banner. The show's been in development for too long to make him like Ruffalo.

Quote from: JeyNyce on September 25, 2010, 01:05:58 AMThe wasp is okay, but she doesn't fit with Antman.  She seems more like his kid sister then girlfriend, but I'll hold judgment on her.

Well Jan is younger than Hank IIRC.

Jan is younger, and she DID act like a kid during the original Avengers run. She didn't gain that "strong woman" persona until much later. Remember, some of her first opinions on the premier Avenger team was how "hot" they were and how ugly Hulk was.

We're up to the 8th mini-episode so far and I'm growing to love it more and more with each part...

Any doubts I had that this series would be a nerfed Disney show with no relation to the source comics have long been extinguished. Can't wait for the full show to start more then ever now.

Minisode 1 - Iron Man Is Born - Definitely picked up on the vibe of MDJ in the character.
Minisode 2 - Coming Of The Hulk - Bruce Banner will remain like Edward Norton here so that's good news at least.
Minisode 3 - The Man In The Ant Hill - Very nice small adventure with Ant-Man and some of the history of an upcoming villain too.
Minisode 4 - Hydra Lives - More Iron Man and Hydra combat and Nick Fury being frustrated with heroes.
Minisode 5 - Thor The Mighty - Finally we get some major muscle with a fight with The Wrecking Crew and Thor meets a medic.
Minisode 6 - Behold The Mandroids - SHIELD shows up to help Iron Man who locks horns with Fury and we get hints of Iron Wars.
Minisode 7 - Hulk Vs The World - General Ross with his Hulkbusters shows up to find themselves caught between Hulk and Absorbing Man.
Minisode 8 - Siege Of Asgard - Old school Thor as he fights off Loki and his Frost Giants. No doubt the writers will respect the Thor lore now.

At this rate it's like an advent calender each weekday with a little Marvel gift inside...

- CQ

You know, the tv show only needs to be as good as these mini episodes for me to love it. I'm on episode 4 right now.

Wow.. just wow! Just watched the 9th minisode..

Minisode 9 - Nick Fury, Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D. - Nick Fury follows the HYDRA prisoners to The Vault and discovers one of the troopers is a villain in disguise to break out Von Strucker.

- CQ

Just watched the first 3.  Very impressed so far.  If the series ends up even half this good, then I'm in.

My freaking goodness....these are awesome.  I had a lot of hope for this show.  I was looking forward to it with great anticipation....but this is every bit as good as I had hoped.  If the show itself can be as good as these little teasers, this 'toon will rival Superman:TAS (it will have to have a whole lot of depth to rival JLU, but I think it may be possible).  All the characters are spot on, the action is great, the animation looks good...even the voices are largely excellent.  The Ant-Man episode made me SOOO happy...I love Hank Pym, and no one EVER does him right...but this show got it.  I love the first little bit of the fight where he's taking out mercs, and they have no idea what's going on.  The Thor episode was also awesome.  When he threw his hammer THROUGH the containers and bowled over the Wrecking Crew...just too awesome.  I love that this show seems to be doing exactly what good shows do, balancing fun, action, and depth.  You've got some good moments with Tony and his friends, you've got a nice moment with Jan and Hank...it's...well, not to belabor the point, but it's awesome.  Also...Hawkeye!

Ok, 2 things really stood out for me. The Cloverfield beginning and the merc that looked liked the guy that played Billy Bear in 48 hours and was in Predator. These were really well done and didn't seem kiddy to me. Thunderball came off as a SMART thug. Something that Bendis has forgotten. Didn't like that Creel was shapechanging and not using his ball and chain. Plus the whole gamma tie in. But it was good fun. Also, Hulk was very talkative. Einstien? Out of left field.

Oh yeah.. getting better and better.

Minisode 10 - This Monster, This Hero - Hawkeye and Black Widow arrive to deal with the Hulk and take Banner & Creel to The Cube to be studied by Doctor Samson who is figuring out the connection of all the gamma mutated prisoners held there.

and thanks to a overseas friend of mine.. I got to see the next episode for the US before Monday.. YAY!

Minisode 11 - My Brother, My Enemy - Thor and Loki go head to head wrecking their way through Asgard until one finally gets the upper hand and is taken before Odin for his punishment. Odin in impressed that "midgardians" are showing worthiness (especially a medic Thor ran across) but isn't pleased with Thor's priorities or loyalty to his duty.

- CQ

Minisode 12 - The Isle of Silence: After being banished to the Isle of Silence, Loki takes a moment to sit back and recall everything that led him to be banished to the Isle of Silence, with what got him there being more then what previously appeared to be...

Saw Enter the Whirlwind, where Wasp gets her due.  Fun contrast between her attitude and Antman's.

Meet Captain America (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwXctAHg-vg)

Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on October 04, 2010, 10:13:43 AM
Saw Enter the Whirlwind, where Wasp gets her due.  Fun contrast between her attitude and Antman's.

Best part of the episode?

SCIENCE!!!

Way to go Dolby.

;)

Interesting.  An alternate version of WWII with HYDRA replacing the nazis.

Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on October 05, 2010, 01:33:54 AM
Interesting.  An alternate version of WWII with HYDRA replacing the nazis.

I'm sure that was done to respect not using the Nazi symbol in a cartoon (since most cartoons that did use it are deemed "politically incorrect" now and no longer aired on TV - i.e. war era Looney Toons and Disney pro-war shorts) and also as a nod towards the new Captain America movie which has the Red Skull running Hydra as well. We all remember how much flak that FFvsT3R got alone just for even using The Third Reich soldiers from World War II even in a non-historical video game when it was released and I doubt Marvel or Disney wants to fight a PR battle just to keep the time period intact for flashbacks. I'm sure we will see the Nazi symbol in the Captain America movie but will probably focus more on Hydra to make for an easier PG-13 rating.

- CQ

While the episode itself was pretty decent, the fact that the Nazis were replaced by Hydra bothered me a lot....I just felt like WWII is too big and important to be changed quite that much.

What about when The Justice League completely glossed over Nazism in their series?  Did that bother you too?

Meh... while I sympathize with Benton on this (though I suspect my reasons for doing so are different... I get a little hesitant about glossing over nazism when their symbol is still used for one of the ugliest sides of our society) I had a long chat with premonitioner about it. The simple fact is, while I may not like them rewriting history, I also can't justify calling them out on it in good conscience. The simple fact is, we've already glossed over a whole lot of information in early comics. I very much doubt that we want to go back to the days when Iron Man was primarily trouncing on those horrible asian people (Mandarin, Crimson Dynamo, Titanium Man, etc.) who also conveniently were the main villains in his origin.

I don't like them glossing over nazism, or anyone doing so for that matter. I think it sets a horrible precedent to gloss over our own history. That said, I also understand better than some why they're doing it... my dad's side of the family came over from Germany shortly after WWII, and changed their name from Hansburg to Sparks to avoid being persecuted by people who blamed all Germans for the actions of the Nazis. However, I think things can be pushed too far (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KIk47527MA) down that road, and I'd argue such is the case with this... but then, I can't blame them for being cautious either.

Quote from: Shogunn2517 on October 05, 2010, 05:03:59 AM
What about when The Justice League completely glossed over Nazism in their series?  Did that bother you too?

Well, theirs was a story in which history was being changed WITHIN the story, so that I could live with it much more easily.  This isn't the type of thing that will make me boycott the series or anything, but it does trouble me more than a little.  I understand why Disney didn't want to deal with doing things properly, but it just feels wrong.

I honestly didn't have a problem with it, I just thought it was interesting.

It's a world where the Norse gods live in modern times and radiation can turn someone big and green instead of just killing him.  I have no problem with them having a different version of WW II as well.


As for justice league, I did not see them as avoiding the Nazis.  Hitler is seen and referred to throughout, and the bad guys are unmistakenly German.  I don't remember whether there were swastikas, but the very fact that I didn't notice either way tells me they weren't really trying to hide anything.

Minisode 15: The Red Skull Strikes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULNDbcFbXN8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULNDbcFbXN8)

Interesting, tying the Red Skull to Asgard.  I like how they're tying everything together pretty effectively.

Now that one was just straight up awesome.  I love how they're portraying Bucky, and that voice is perfect for him.  I also like the idea of tying the Skull in with Asgard.  It has a basis in classic continuity, what with Thor's misadventures during WWII and Brain Drain's masquerading Germanic gods

Quote from: BentonGrey on October 06, 2010, 03:37:03 PM
Now that one was just straight up awesome.  I love how they're portraying Bucky, and that voice is perfect for him.

Perhaps, but personally, I'm reminded too much of Robin for obvious reasons.

Quote from: kkhohoho on October 06, 2010, 07:27:00 PM

Quote from: BentonGrey on October 06, 2010, 03:37:03 PM
Now that one was just straight up awesome.  I love how they're portraying Bucky, and that voice is perfect for him.

Perhaps, but personally, I'm reminded too much of Robin for obvious reasons.

Yeah, but Robin was the only good thing about that cartoon. ;)  Seriously though, I feel like it fits Bucky quite well, but getting past that deja vu is necessary to enjoy it.  I imagine it won't be too much of an issue, since Bucky almost certainly won't have much of a role in the main show.

Quote from: BentonGrey on October 06, 2010, 08:22:52 PM
Yeah, but Robin was the only good thing about that cartoon. ;)  Seriously though, I feel like it fits Bucky quite well, but getting past that deja vu is necessary.  I imagine it won't be too much of an issue, since Bucky almost certainly won't have much of a role in the main show.

Bucky is there as part of the flashback for story purposes but the same actor is slated as doing the voice for Winter Soldier as well. I'm sure long term plans will include a story arc that deals with a whole Steve Rogers being killed in action or removed from the uniform arc and Barnes taking over the role (not too sure they will adapt The Captain/U.S. Agent/John Walker story as a whole from the comics). I'm hoping they do have John Walker show up as a soldier and eventually becomes U.S. Agent somehow - maybe when they have a storyline that deals with the military recreating the super soldier process.

- CQ

Quote from: crimsonquill on October 06, 2010, 08:39:10 PM

Quote from: BentonGrey on October 06, 2010, 08:22:52 PM
Yeah, but Robin was the only good thing about that cartoon. ;)  Seriously though, I feel like it fits Bucky quite well, but getting past that deja vu is necessary.  I imagine it won't be too much of an issue, since Bucky almost certainly won't have much of a role in the main show.

Bucky is there as part of the flashback for story purposes but the same actor is slated as doing the voice for Winter Soldier as well. I'm sure long term plans will include a story arc that deals with a whole Steve Rogers being killed in action or removed from the uniform arc and Barnes taking over the role (not too sure they will adapt The Captain/U.S. Agent/John Walker story as a whole from the comics). I'm hoping they do have John Walker show up as a soldier and eventually becomes U.S. Agent somehow - maybe when they have a storyline that deals with the military recreating the super soldier process.

- CQ

:blink:

You're kidding me...they've got info out there for a Winter Soldier casting?  Gah!  I thought they were loosely following classic Avengers stories....we should be years and years from that mess.

Quote from: BentonGrey on October 06, 2010, 08:44:40 PM

Quote from: crimsonquill on October 06, 2010, 08:39:10 PM

Quote from: BentonGrey on October 06, 2010, 08:22:52 PM
Yeah, but Robin was the only good thing about that cartoon. ;)  Seriously though, I feel like it fits Bucky quite well, but getting past that deja vu is necessary.  I imagine it won't be too much of an issue, since Bucky almost certainly won't have much of a role in the main show.

Bucky is there as part of the flashback for story purposes but the same actor is slated as doing the voice for Winter Soldier as well. I'm sure long term plans will include a story arc that deals with a whole Steve Rogers being killed in action or removed from the uniform arc and Barnes taking over the role (not too sure they will adapt The Captain/U.S. Agent/John Walker story as a whole from the comics). I'm hoping they do have John Walker show up as a soldier and eventually becomes U.S. Agent somehow - maybe when they have a storyline that deals with the military recreating the super soldier process.

- CQ

:blink:

You're kidding me...they've got info out there for a Winter Soldier casting?  Gah!  I thought they were loosely following classic Avengers stories....we should be years and years from that mess.

They are loosely following them--for the most part. They've already been taking bits and pieces from others aspects of the Marvel U;  a prison breakout getting the Avengers together, (New Avengers,) Hawkeye and Black Widow being SHIELD agents from the start, (Ultimates,) Iron Man and his supporting cast in general, (the films,)  etc. Still, I have to say that I find this particular show quite enthralling. So long as they pass over some of the more grievous...'misteps', 616 or otherwise, we should be good. :)

Quote from: BentonGrey on October 06, 2010, 08:44:40 PM
:blink:

You're kidding me...they've got info out there for a Winter Soldier casting?  Gah!  I thought they were loosely following classic Avengers stories....we should be years and years from that mess.

I'm sure that whole storyline is many seasons down the road but Winter Soldier is part of canon now and he would show up in several episodes over many seasons. After all I'm sure that part of getting the actor to sign on for doing Bucky in flashback sequences was getting to do Winter Soldier and Barnes in any future episodes to come.

Even the young actor who signed to play Bucky in the Captain America movie knew that his contract included playing Winter Soldier and Captain America in future movies.

- CQ

Quote from: crimsonquill on October 06, 2010, 08:39:10 PM
but the same actor is slated as doing the voice for Winter Soldier as well.

Is that actually confirmed? Sounds great, but I hope they don't jump into that story too soon.

The Robin voice bugged me a little bit too. Loved the Wolverine cameo. And Kang was in it, yay Kang!

Minisode 16: If This Be Doomsday!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-GWpQMaqtU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-GWpQMaqtU)

A great conclusion to the Cap flashback.

Beautiful.  This show sure has style.

Great show so far! I found the hydra thing a little odd but not a bad way to get around the whole natzi thing that most cartoons dont want to touch. The cameos where great, the red skull using "hellboy" style tactics is great and Bucky is great.

Looking through the official website's character profiles, Ultron will be in later in the first season.  His origin says that he was an old join project of Pym's and Stark's that was scrapped and then later brought online again to help the Avengers. Sounds like a good version to me.

Lords of Light this is good!

Ep 17 "Welcome to Wakanda" is up.  Some fantastic storytelling here.

Oh nice, I love me some black panther. Did anyone watch the BET cartoon? I HATED the first 10 minutes but once I got over the animation style (and some voices, especially Cap) it turned into one of my favorite cartoons to date.

Two clips from episode 2 of the actual show: Some Assembly Required.

http://www.stitchkingdom.com/disney-news/television-disney/sneak-peek-disney-xds-marvels-avengers-earths-mightiest-heroes/ (http://www.stitchkingdom.com/disney-news/television-disney/sneak-peek-disney-xds-marvels-avengers-earths-mightiest-heroes/)

Super awesome:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G88klE9PlCY&feature=pyv&ad=6010297544&kw=marvel

Quote from: kkhohoho on October 08, 2010, 07:38:46 PM
Two clips from episode 2 of the actual show: Some Assembly Required.

http://www.stitchkingdom.com/disney-news/television-disney/sneak-peek-disney-xds-marvels-avengers-earths-mightiest-heroes/ (http://www.stitchkingdom.com/disney-news/television-disney/sneak-peek-disney-xds-marvels-avengers-earths-mightiest-heroes/)

Good stuff.

Still not digging the talkative Hulk.  Hope he only hangs around for these first few episodes and kick rocks.

Lo there shall Come a Conquerer was indeed awesome, and we even have a sympathetic take on Kang, which only serves to make him more interesting.  Now we know he isn't going to stop messing with the Avengers, because he has every reason to keep fighting them.

Spoiler

Kang's timeline is being replaced by an utterly destroyed Earth, and he's traced the cause back to something Captain America's about to do.  His entire planetary empire's now been wiped out as a result and his wife is starting to fade from history was well, leading him try to conquer the past in order to restore his timeline and his wife.  Fortunately for the Avengers, only his capital ship makes it--the rest of his fleet apparently becomes erased from history before they can time jump.

Quote from: Shogunn2517 on October 09, 2010, 02:15:35 PM

Quote from: kkhohoho on October 08, 2010, 07:38:46 PM
Two clips from episode 2 of the actual show: Some Assembly Required.

http://www.stitchkingdom.com/disney-news/television-disney/sneak-peek-disney-xds-marvels-avengers-earths-mightiest-heroes/ (http://www.stitchkingdom.com/disney-news/television-disney/sneak-peek-disney-xds-marvels-avengers-earths-mightiest-heroes/)

Good stuff.

Still not digging the talkative Hulk.  Hope he only hangs around for these first few episodes and kick rocks.

Personally, I like the talkative Hulk. He's just intelligent enough to be more then just a rampaging manchild, while still being an angry green giant of rage. (Besides, he was talkative and intelligent in his early appearances too.)

On a related note, I too am liking what I see, and am definitely going to check this show out. (I've even been checking out the original issues; they aren't half-bad.)

Quote from: Shogunn2517 on October 09, 2010, 02:15:35 PM
Good stuff.

Still not digging the talkative Hulk.  Hope he only hangs around for these first few episodes and kick rocks.

UE voiced the same concern to me, so I'm deducing that the popular iteration of Hulk is clouding the perception of how Hulk was originally portrayed when Stan Lee created and wrote him. I'm going to post some pics of how Hulk was back when Avengers started.

Avengers #2: Just before Space Phantom took over Hulk's body and set into motion the events that eventually made Hulk leave the team:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/th_hulk2.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/hulk2.jpg)

Avengers #3: Hulk on the run:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/th_hulk.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/hulk.jpg)

Avengers #5: Hulk just happened upon the Avengers in the middle of a crisis:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/th_hulk3.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/hulk3.jpg)

So, yeah, Hulk was very verbose back in his day and didn't start to become very laconic and dumbed down until after Stan got through with him. Back then, he was just a misunderstood monster with rage issues. :P

Yeah, he was actually pretty close to Ben Grimm...just a big, strong, angry guy, although he didn't get the support Grimm did from the F4.

Minisode 19: Beware the Widow's Bite (And that wraps up the Hulk minisodes. Just one minisode more to go...)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiM2AAxGjgQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiM2AAxGjgQ)

Interesting!

Quote from: Previsionary on October 09, 2010, 05:47:29 PM

Quote from: Shogunn2517 on October 09, 2010, 02:15:35 PM
Good stuff.

Still not digging the talkative Hulk.  Hope he only hangs around for these first few episodes and kick rocks.

UE voiced the same concern to me, so I'm deducing that the popular iteration of Hulk is clouding the perception of how Hulk was originally portrayed when Stan Lee created and wrote him. I'm going to post some pics of how Hulk was back when Avengers started.

Avengers #2: Just before Space Phantom took over Hulk's body and set into motion the events that eventually made Hulk leave the team:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/th_hulk2.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/hulk2.jpg)

Avengers #3: Hulk on the run:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/th_hulk.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/hulk.jpg)

Avengers #5: Hulk just happened upon the Avengers in the middle of a crisis:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/th_hulk3.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/premo/hulk3.jpg)

So, yeah, Hulk was very verbose back in his day and didn't start to become very laconic and dumbed down until after Stan got through with him. Back then, he was just a misunderstood monster with rage issues. :P

Okay, okay.  That's fair.  Admittedly, my first memories of the Hulk are of the television series so I'm biased.  I'm thinking he should be as quiet and mindless as he is there, like he pretty much is in the films.  Though I'd like to see a happy balance as his portrayal has been in the books and animated, I'm not use to it. 

But if going off from there and what I've seen thus far, unlike a lot of other shows, they are not shot-putting through origins and stories.  Look at the animated X-Men and they never started off with the original five.  Look at the 90s Avengers and they had a different analgamation of characters.  Even the Justice League, as good as it was wasn't the original League.  I like what they're doing.  They're trying to make it fresh and using versions and storylines that are familiar, but still following what the Avengers originally were.  The characters are interesting.  This is not being made exclusively for a younger audience and they are finding ways to fit so much of the Avengers and the overall universe in and keep it exciting.  Honestly, I wouldn't have expected to have seen a number of characters and villains already.  The Micro Episodes is an EXCELLENT idea because the backstories are done.  We don't have to spend time setting up storylines, introducing characters and have oddly placed origins(Wonder Woman/Justice League, Doctor Doom/FF & FF:ROTSS).  All of this stories and characters are in place and frankly, they're well paced and I'm really excited for the actual season where they can take their time.

Overall, I'm just glad that this isn't "kiddy", it's a fresh take, and they're using a LOT of source material, seemingly not forgetting anything.  I just hope that doesnt' come back to bite them.  But I'm happy so far.

Minisode 20/Final: The Big House; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjrxcaKRQZc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjrxcaKRQZc)

All that's left now is the show, and personally, I'm looking forward to it. :)

Who is that at the end?

Quote from: BentonGrey on October 11, 2010, 03:03:07 AM
Who is that at the end?

The really smart guy, or the guy with the beard? If you're referring to the smart guy, no idea. If it's the guy with the beard, it's Gravitron.

I was talking about the bearded fellow, but the smart guy was the Mad Thinker.  http://www.rapsheet.co.uk/RapSheetMain/Character2.asp?UniqueId=169  Thanks for identifying the other villain.

i like the direction they are going with hulk. i like him better talkative with anger issues too. i also like them actually knocking the crap out of each other like the jla series did.

Really liked the final minisode. I consider myself an Antman fan but the way he stops Whirlwind still caught me off guard, even though they did this in She-Hulk a while back. Still it was a great moment.

I finally watched these and enjoyed them quite a bit.  The character models are all fine, though I wish the animation itself was more fluid.

My only major complaint is that five episodes of the actual series are just going to be compilations of these mini-episodes.

Quote from: Talavar on October 18, 2010, 08:28:24 PM
I finally watched these and enjoyed them quite a bit.  The character models are all fine, though I wish the animation itself was more fluid.

My only major complaint is that five episodes of the actual series are just going to be compilations of these mini-episodes.

They all air on the same date, and on a separate day from the airing time of the actual show; they won't take up dates of the actual show, of which there's 50+ episodes in production. So, what's your point?

Quote from: kkhohoho on October 18, 2010, 08:50:19 PM

Quote from: Talavar on October 18, 2010, 08:28:24 PM
I finally watched these and enjoyed them quite a bit.  The character models are all fine, though I wish the animation itself was more fluid.

My only major complaint is that five episodes of the actual series are just going to be compilations of these mini-episodes.

They all air on the same date, and on a separate day from the airing time of the actual show; they won't take up dates of the actual show, of which there's 50+ episodes in production. So, what's your point?

My point, which seemed pretty clear, is that recycling material from one source to reuse as other episodes is lame.  I'll try to be less vague in the future.

Oi!

http://www.newsarama.com/common/media/video/player.php?aid=39198

Yet another, and probably the final, trailer for the cartoon, which premieres this Wednesday.

Since I live in NYC I went to the ComicCon 2 weekends ago and they showed the first 2 episodes ( which was really the premier 2 parter). It was awesome! :thumbup: They really did a fantastic job with this show and if they keep it up like the premier this will be the greatest Marvel animated series ever...I kid you not! :thumbup:

Don't forget folks... tonight is the premiere of the Avengers two-part pilot episode on Disney XD!

8:30 PM EST is when the episodes start - so get your TiVOs or whatever recording device you have if you can't watch it right away and I believe it repeats at least twice more before tomorrow morning.

- CQ

Just watched it and thought it was pretty decent. Funny thing is I never heard of Gravitron. I had to look him up.

This was good. That fight with Graviton looked really epic. And I kept expecting to see Spiderman swinging underneath Manhattan Island.

I'm of a few opinions.  The fight did look epic enough and I like how they came together to do it.  And it seem like Gravitron was an enemy worthy enough to fight.

My problem, and I think it will be an on-going problem, is the fact that the fight was TOO epic.  Not that that was a bad thing, but seriously, all of lower Manhattan was completely destroyed.  It was a crater.  Typically, I wouldn't say that's a bad thing, but even comics don't go that far on the destruction toll.  It's a little nick-nack, but I don't think that was THAT necessary.

Moreover, the person doing Iron Man's voice is starting to irritate me.  It's nice that he sounds like RDJ, but unlike RDJ this guy has only one tone and when it's amplified, it can come off as whiney.  Beyond that, that little speech he had at the end...  It was a bit too much.  Seemed too kid-friendly and preachy, a bit out of context and doesn't sound like something that would come from a character that has been portrayed even more self-absorbed than he was in the films.  I would have much rather it come from Ant-Man or it would have sounded appropriate from Thor, but Iron Man?  Specifically, THAT Iron Man?  It didn't sound right.  Needless to say, I think I'll enjoy Captain America's introduction to THIS group and his dynamic with THIS Iron Man.  I just hope it isn't too... kiddy.

I'm still hopeful though.  I really liked the pacing and did like the action I've seen from it.  I still don't think I want to see the Hulk too attached with this team.  I don't think that character fits for the Avengers(which is why he's really not with the team anyway).

Just my opinion and thoughts.

I know what you mean about the "whiny" voice. That bothered me too. About this becoming to kiddy, you have to remember it's not a m-rated animated movie. It's on a network that caters to children. I mean, you can't expect mature themed stories and then go to a commercial advertising toys or whatnot. I would rather this show be more mature but hey, Disney holds the reigns now.

Let's be honest, the premiere was more violent than anyone expected a "disney show" to be, and it probably outdid the violence in all of season 1 of "JL." It's on Disney XD, which I think is important to point out, and that channel, like Nicktoons, is geared towards preteens and lower tiered (numerically) teenagers. They have a much wider boundary than they would if this show was on the regular Disney channel. Disney XD already has already proved their willing to do dark, more mature storylines with some of their other shows, and the Avengers is in the hands of Chris Yost. If you don't know his work from comics or don't remember his influence in X-men Evo and Wolverine & The X-men, then you're already missing out. Point being, I wouldn't expect this show to go anywhere near "too kiddy" (That's what season 2 of Superhero Squad is for.), but I do expect it to be generally lighter than a CN cartoon and a lot more accessible.

And did we forget that Disney aired Planet Hulk this week? I didn't expect that to happen, so maybe they're a lot more lapsed on the digital channel than I originally gave them credit for.

i liked it. speaking of wolverine and the x-men. bought the season 1 set. good stuff. will there be a season 2?

No. It was canceled awhile ago.

Quote from: herodad1 on October 22, 2010, 09:30:56 PM
i liked it. speaking of wolverine and the x-men. bought the season 1 set. good stuff. will there be a season 2?

Unfortunately there will not be any more seasons.. Spectacular Spider-Man and Wolverine And The X-Men both were canceled because Sony & 20th Century Fox released their rights for their animated series once Disney purchased Marvel. If I remember it was a matter of financing the budgets for their next seasons and both companies couldn't afford it... but figured that since Disney had plans for other Marvel toons and Avengers already in production it wouldn't be too long a wait for Marvel fans.

Of course with Avengers being quite a success based off the ratings for the premiere and Ultimate Spider-Man gaining more hype with popular oncoming writers and artistic directors coming on board each announcement there will be a lot more to come. Plus for those following the hints with Logan showing up in Captain America's origin and Nick Fury name dropping the MRD to imprison Whirlwind I'm thinking that there is plans for Wolverine And The X-Men to be retooled and renamed with a new production team in the near future.

- CQ

The first part of the premiere aired tonight in Canada. It was pretty good. Jeffrey Combs as the Leader is a highlight.
Also I've seen all the micro episodes now. Those were a great idea.

I'm looking forward to watching the program get going.  I just watched the marathon this last weekend for the intros for all the characters and their cartoon backgrounds.  I have to say that if you watch the mini-sodes and the premiere all together it just looks downright bleak.  Kind of a bit depressing for a Disney 'toon.  The odds are really stacked against The Avengers in this series.  I do hope that Fury and SHIELD open up a bit; the evil government shadow group angle is just about played out.

Is it me or does it feel like every guy save for Thor is gunning for Wasp? Even Hulk which would probably be the funniest pairing ever.

On the subject of female characters did anyone else notice that if it wasn't for Jane, every female character with a speaking roll would have been a secretary/assistant. Wasp is the assistant/manager to Antman she handles his finances, schedule, and what not while he does his science. Then you have Pepper Pots which is a no brainer and Maria Hall comes off more as Fury's assistant than a high ranking officer. I know that might be nitpicky but I just found it a bit amusing.

Anywho, I dislike the voice actor for Tony Stark he is too nasally and it feels like a watered down Robert Downey Jr. Just as Pepper feels like a watered down Paltrow. That is my only real complaint of the show thus far oh and the very cheesy ending of episode 2. "We can be team that avenges the wrongs of the worlds." "we're avengers".  :rolleyes:

I like this shows take on the relationship between the Hulk and Bruce Banner. It feels less like tortured soul fighting demons within and more like a relationship between two individuals sharing a body. Where Bruce is trying to mold the Hulk into something good.

The moment where the team gets named was, is, and ever shall be, lame.  Also, the theme song sucks out loud.

Aside from that, this is really shaping up to be a good show.

Some Assembly Required... Thoughts?

Spoiler

I liked it.  There were a moment or two I didn't like, that seemed too fluffy, but overall it is still well paced.  The storyline is developing and developing as I would hoped.  We saw the Hulk becoming more distant and ultimately leave the group, which is exactly what I thought would happen.  I'm not sure if this is permenant or just a plot device(it seems kind of pointless to introduce such a character just to drop him), but at least he seems to be keeping the group at arm's length.  On the periphery we have Captain America, Black Panther and Hawkeye who will likely join the group in the next few episodes.  Pym will be finished working on Ultron, who will rebel and fight the team.  The Avengers storyline is shaping up well.

Also got to mention even more hints of a connection to an overall universe with Iron Man mentioning he's working with Reed Richards on a Negative Zone prison.

And it was also cool to see an Hulk vs Thor reminescent of my fights in the Rumble Room.

They have the writers from the comics (Yost, etc) working to bring the Avengers (finally) into the visual mythology. For those of us that grew up with the mag, it's nice to see the Avengers come to life, and not just in the FF Rumble Room ;)

I just saw Some Assembly Required.  It was a solid episode, with nice ongoing plot building and characterization of the main group.  The Enchantress and Executioner are the weak point, as they're given very little space for motivation or characterization, aside from wanting to mess with Thor.

Quote from: Talavar on November 04, 2010, 02:33:37 PM
I just saw Some Assembly Required.  It was a solid episode, with nice ongoing plot building and characterization of the main group.  The Enchantress and Executioner are the weak point, as they're given very little space for motivation or characterization, aside from wanting to mess with Thor.

Did you watch the minisodes?

i saw the last 10 minutes of that episode. liked it. then saw the whole cap revived episode. it was good too. liked watching him throw everyone around. they gave him skills instead of just punching and shield action.

I really loved watching Cap in action in this episode - they've really nailed his combat style  in a way that wasn't obvious during the minisodes.

My thoughts on Living Legend?

I agree with you guys.  They made Captain America more than just a brawler with a shield.  I compare it to the use of the Super Soldier Serum in The Incredible Hulk.  They actually SHOWED you why CA deserves to be in a (rumble) room full of superheroes and be able to hold his own.  It's pretty interesting what they did with Zemo as well.(am I understanding this right; they are meshing two Zemo's together?)  The timeline's a little wonky.  Howard Stark took a pic with CA in the 40s and this is supposed to be present day, which means Tony Stark 50-60 years old at his youngest.  I'm still interested to see what they do with these peripherary characters like Black Panther, Hawkeye, Black Widow and apparently the Hulk.  Do they include them ALL on the team and only use some in certain episodes like The Justice League (Unliminted) or do these characters have a story arch or two and that's all we'll see of them?  I'm still having some trouble catching up with the Hydra Leadership(Red Skull/Baron Zemo/Baron Strucker).  Again, I'm still happy with the way this is developing though.  I can't wait to see Ultron's intro, Kang.  I'm certain they'll introduce Kree/Skrull characters.

Anyone have any thoughts on what the ETA is for Wonderman.

Quote from: cripp12 on November 06, 2010, 06:55:24 AM
Anyone have any thoughts on what the ETA is for Wonderman.

As a matter of fact Simon Williams appears in the very next episode.. and apparently they tweak with several of his comic incarnations so they can work together with his new origin.

Here is the teaser for it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBoFZjD29cA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBoFZjD29cA)

- CQ

nice!

Quote from: Shogunn2517 on November 06, 2010, 04:40:13 AM
My thoughts on Living Legend?

I agree with you guys.  They made Captain America more than just a brawler with a shield.  I compare it to the use of the Super Soldier Serum in The Incredible Hulk.  They actually SHOWED you why CA deserves to be in a (rumble) room full of superheroes and be able to hold his own.  It's pretty interesting what they did with Zemo as well.(am I understanding this right; they are meshing two Zemo's together?)  The timeline's a little wonky.  Howard Stark took a pic with CA in the 40s and this is supposed to be present day, which means Tony Stark 50-60 years old at his youngest.  I'm still interested to see what they do with these peripherary characters like Black Panther, Hawkeye, Black Widow and apparently the Hulk.  Do they include them ALL on the team and only use some in certain episodes like The Justice League (Unliminted) or do these characters have a story arch or two and that's all we'll see of them?  I'm still having some trouble catching up with the Hydra Leadership(Red Skull/Baron Zemo/Baron Strucker).  Again, I'm still happy with the way this is developing though.  I can't wait to see Ultron's intro, Kang.  I'm certain they'll introduce Kree/Skrull characters.

I think they're meshing the two Zemo's together, and so far at least, the Red Skull is only in the past, while Zemo and Strucker vie for control of Hydra in the present.

Tony doesn't have to be quite that old.  Let's say Howard Stark was 30 in 1940 (for ease of math), if he had children late in life, Tony could have been born in the late 60s or 70s, putting him in his early forties or his thirties in the present day.

did anyone notice wolverines tiny cameo in the mini-sode where cap and the howling commandos attack red skulls castle? i thought he looked familiar and then cap called him "logan".  :P

So, I'm betting that Black Widow is the one that released the prisoners. Any takers?

"Everything is Wonderful" has aired, the episode introducing (an evil) Wonderman, and also featuring MODOK and AIM.  Actually, MODOK talks about being "only for conquest," so maybe that last letter in the acronym should be C.

It was another enjoyable episode, except...

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the entire plot is predicated on a bad misunderstanding - like a 'Three's Company' level misunderstanding, the sort that could have been resolved by half a line of dialogue, dialogue that easily could have been shouted over Simon's objections.

I saw the episode that introduced Captain America yesterday. Really enjoyed it. I'm not sure how I feel about the combining of Helmet and Heinrich but he looked great. I love how they're seeding stories throughout all the episodes.

Quote from: Talavar on November 13, 2010, 03:14:16 PM
"Everything is Wonderful" has aired, the episode introducing (an evil) Wonderman, and also featuring MODOK and AIM.  Actually, MODOK talks about being "only for conquest," so maybe that last letter in the acronym should be C.

It was another enjoyable episode, except...

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the entire plot is predicated on a bad misunderstanding - like a 'Three's Company' level misunderstanding, the sort that could have been resolved by half a line of dialogue, dialogue that easily could have been shouted over Simon's objections.

Agreed...

It was a fairly decent episode, except...

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I was really hoping to see Wonder Man in action wearing the Green and Red costume.

So, I liked the mini episode of Antman because of the merc that looked liked Billy Bear actor that was in predator. Then I saw it again and noticed they were all from Predator. Thought it was kinda funny.

Quote from: Talavar on November 13, 2010, 03:14:16 PM
It was another enjoyable episode, except...

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the entire plot is predicated on a bad misunderstanding - like a 'Three's Company' level misunderstanding, the sort that could have been resolved by half a line of dialogue, dialogue that easily could have been shouted over Simon's objections.

So it followed comic conventions to a T?

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Quote from: Talavar on November 13, 2010, 03:14:16 PM
It was another enjoyable episode, except...

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the entire plot is predicated on a bad misunderstanding - like a 'Three's Company' level misunderstanding, the sort that could have been resolved by half a line of dialogue, dialogue that easily could have been shouted over Simon's objections.

So it followed comic conventions to a T?

I can't think of a comic published in 30 years with such a weak misunderstanding as a major plot device.

Really? I can name more than a few, since that's a "team-up" stronghold and a classic motivation for early villains. In fact, I'll name one from just a few months ago. Prince of Power #2... Amadeus Cho vs. Thor. :P. To go back a few years ago, "Gravity" hinged on that from the very first issue. Obviously in different veins, but the "misunderstanding" aspect from "weak" allegations remains intact.

Besides, wasn't Simon irrationally mad and ignoring any and everything Tony said?

or when superman beat up capt. marvel because he wouldnt stop and listen to what he had to say. ahhh, he's just jealous of cap! SHAZAM!!!! :lol:

Quote from: Talavar on November 13, 2010, 03:14:16 PM
"Everything is Wonderful" has aired, the episode introducing (an evil) Wonderman, and also featuring MODOK and AIM.  Actually, MODOK talks about being "only for conquest," so maybe that last letter in the acronym should be C

Actually, it looks like all show promotional and summary materials do indeed list him as MODOC.

The Cap episode is the first episode I've watched (and the only one so far), so I've got a question:

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What's the deal with the Black Panther hiding in Avengers mansion?

I though combining both Zemos into one was an interesting idea, but I didn't like the way Cap was drawn unmasked. Specifically the cleft in his chin being drawn as a line going down his neck as well. Made it look like a scar, almost.

Will have to look out for the Wonder Man episode. Which outfit did they use, the red safari jacket one?

Quote from: thanoson on November 07, 2010, 12:24:36 AM
So, I'm betting that Black Widow is the one that released the prisoners. Any takers?

Yeah, I'm right there with you.

Quote from: GhostMachine on November 15, 2010, 04:11:17 AM
The Cap episode is the first episode I've watched (and the only one so far), so I've got a question:

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What's the deal with the Black Panther hiding in Avengers mansion?

Will have to look out for the Wonder Man episode. Which outfit did they use, the red safari jacket one?

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It hasn't been explained yet, hopefully soon.

Ionic Wonder Man.

Just watched the black panther episode.
It was excellent like always.  Good one-liners from Tony and Hank.
Although

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a little peeved how wakandan tech seems to trump everything. But I guess it's like that in the comics though, and tchalla does recognize the culture/tech split in his own country.
Also it's unfortunate we saw "freak of the week" energy monster instead of the classic Klaw.

Loving the show so far... Wakanda tends to be a tricky thing to pull off but I liked how they did it. Black Panther is a really cool hero.

This past week's episode was less great in my opinion.

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For instance, Black Panther insists his people hate Man-Ape, but are only following him out of respect for tradition.  However, when Black Panther challenges Man-Ape, and Man-Ape disregards tradition entirely, his bodyguards continue to follow his orders and beat on Black Panther/Cap.  Speaking of which, Cap's awesome fighting style and animation from two weeks ago is largely absent here, as two normal people (the Wakandan body guards) seem to give him a serious run for his money.

In a larger context, does Wakanda bother anyone else?  I mean, it's supposed to have really advanced technology, and that technology still manifests as spears?  Outsiders have to save the populace from their outdated political beliefs and a nearly absolute monarchy that's based on single combat?  While I like the character of Black Panther, Wakanda itself has always stuck in my craw more than a little.  Not the episode/show's fault, but it still hampers my enjoyment of the episode a little.

Next week's episode is a two-parter (though both seem to be airing on the same day) called "Gamma World."

Quote from: Talavar on November 22, 2010, 12:59:49 AM

In a larger context, does Wakanda bother anyone else?  I mean, it's supposed to have really advanced technology, and that technology still manifests as spears?  Outsiders have to save the populace from their outdated political beliefs and a nearly absolute monarchy that's based on single combat?  While I like the character of Black Panther, Wakanda itself has always stuck in my craw more than a little.  Not the episode/show's fault, but it still hampers my enjoyment of the episode a little.

For me this was middle of the road... I hated wakanda in the Ultimates cartoon and loved it in the Black Panther cartoon. But yeah, I really want to see Wakanda looking like a modern african nation with science fiction weapons and inventions. Sci-fi spears and loincloths has always rubbed me the wrong way, although I love the idea of a non westernized utopia of warrior scientists.

what day is gamma world airing?

According to Wikipedia, Gamma World, parts 1 and 2, is airing November 26 - tomorrow.  What time, I'm not certain, as it's not the usual airdate, it's a two-parter, and it's an American holiday.

Did anyone else see Gamma World?
Another great episode in my opinion

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The inclusion of Hawkeye and Black Widow was a nice treat,  their characterizations were pretty interesting but their backstories should be fleshed out more,  probably soon in a future ep.

It was cool seeing the Ufoes and other gamma powered cameos, and Thor's maneuver with Creel was great.

Also it looks like they're going to start discrediting Tony as the leader of the team, as a number of his decisions were less than stellar.
I think this is a good way to get Cap in charge of the team.

The show is really good, and gamma world was a ton of fun. Cool foes, hulked out heroes and Hawkeye as a major bad@$$.

And yeah, Thor was really cool too, and clever to boot. I hope this show is doing good in ratings so we see another season.

I like this show.
There are a few things I'd quibble about, (like Zzaxx, Creel and the Wrecking Crew being lumped in as Gamma-powered villains), but they are mostly minor details that don't ruin my enjoyment of the show.
I actually like the Panther costume tweaks, (definitely better than the "add lots of gold jewelery" version in the comics). Not quite so keen on him running along walls like Spidey, but otherwise he's well depicted.
Thor's costume I still don't especially like, but I don't hate it, either. I'm getting used to it.
Wasp's hair still irks me, but her personality and powers more than offset the dumb 'do.
Everyone looks more or less as they should, talks and acts as they should, and have the powers they should.
I hope this continues for a long time, it's good.

A couple more episodes have aired, Masters of Evil and 459.

Masters of Evil deals with Baron Zemo, Enchantress and the other villains they've gathered coming after the Avengers. 

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It's another quality episode.  The Masters (never actually calling themselves the Masters of Evil, to my relief) take out the Avengers one at a time or in small groups where they can be overwhelmed, until it's up to Hawkeye and Black Panther to save the day - oh, and Ant-man, who the Masters seem to have forgotten for no good reason.  A quibble, I suppose, but I can see them overlooking Hawkeye and Black Panther because they're new to the team as well as relatively low-powered.  Neither explanation works for Hank.  Also, like some of the X-men cartoons and the first season of Justice League, the animation crew need some work on large group battles - at a couple of points it some seems like characters must just be standing around off camera.

459 introduces Captain Marvel and the Kree/Skrull War, along with Major Carol Danvers. 

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A Kree sentry robot comes to Earth to claim the planet for the Kree.  Hank and Jan try to hold it off, along with new reveal, Captain Marvel.  Marvel is much more like his Ultimate version, both in appearance and powers, than his traditional version.  With Thor, Hulk and Iron Man helping they're able to defeat the sentry bot, but its nega-bomb will still destroy life on Earth.  Marvel makes to sacrifice himself to fly it into space, but gets an assist from Thor and Iron Man so he doesn't have to.  This episode also sets things up for the Hank-Jan relationship to develop further, and for Ms. Marvel to be joining the team down the road - which I welcome, as the Avengers are a total sausage fest at the moment.

Yeah, I really enjoyed the last two episodes as well,
About Hank in the Masters Ep.

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Wasn't he still in Wakanda studying Vibranium at the time?  I thought that was the explanation why they weren't too worried about him

Correct, Det.

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They addressed the Antman situation in two scenes. Baron even said they needed to go after him, which Abomination laughed off. It was brought up again moments later when we saw that Hawkeye and Panther picked him up at the embassy and filled him in on the situation.

I don't think any new characters are joining the team. Cameos here and there maybe, but I think this is our full roster until after the 26 episode mark.

Are you sure about the roster?
It seems like last episode only the heavies were called in to help (Thor, Hulk, and Iron Man). I'd like to see a sort of rotating cast (kind of like jlu).
Also another really cool Easter egg thing about the show is the silhouettes during the opening... You can see the roster of the team changes each episode,  I think if they were to go with a rotating cast, the silhouettes would be a nice bit of fan service to tell you who will be in that ep.

We seriously need more women on the team though.  Are quicksilver and scarlet witch off limits(because they are mutants, and still under Fox' licensing)?

Keyword: "Think."

I don't believe we're at a point where they can constantly switch around characters in and out. They still need to flesh out the ones we have on the team already, and I definitely don't think season 1 (the first 26 episodes) is a good place to be overwhelming the viewer. From a fan perspective that may be cool, but as a regular viewer (and especially one that may have no idea about the comics) that may be too much. The team is pretty big as is at 8 main leads, no? Hence, the cameo (and guest-starring) statement.

The title screen does actually rotate depending on which characters are involved in the story.

I think a good comparison piece would be "Super Hero Squad," which featured an all male main team in season 1, but constantly featured guest stars when the need arose.

Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver have both appeared in hero squad, and Wanda is actually a main character in the second season of that show, having replaced Silver Surfer. I'm sure she can be used if they have a story in mind for her as Marvel Animation now owns the rights.

Yost said somewhere that they now have access to the X-Men (specifically Wolverine and the X-Men) and Wolverine already cameoed, so Wanda and Pietro should be possible.

secret invasion begins

I'm surprised that they're going with a storyline like 'Secret Invasion' this early in their version of the Marvel Universe - it's something that doesn't have as much impact when the characters potentially replaced by alien duplicates are ones we've just met, and haven't had time to do much that might be damaging.  Given last week's episode, I think it highly likely this will tie in to the Kree-Skrull War, and the doppleganger elements will be downplayed compared to the comic's version of the storyline.

Quote from: Talavar on December 21, 2010, 10:30:22 PM
I'm surprised that they're going with a storyline like 'Secret Invasion' this early in their version of the Marvel Universe - it's something that doesn't have as much impact when the characters potentially replaced by alien duplicates are ones we've just met, and haven't had time to do much that might be damaging.  Given last week's episode, I think it highly likely this will tie in to the Kree-Skrull War, and the doppleganger elements will be downplayed compared to the comic's version of the storyline.

Pretty much my same theory.. we will get elements of Secret Invasion as far as Skrull spies hiding around us including high ranking people in SHIELD and other key locations and a few sleeper agents that are super-powered enhanced (though probably no Super Skrull since he is tied up with 20th Cen Fox's hold on Fantastic Four - unless they released their animation rights too).

- CQ

I'm also not so sure about a secret invasion already, but given that I loved the idea but not the execution, I would like to see another crack at that story.

Otherwise this show exceeds my expectations, especially in that I expected Black Panther to show up for 1 episode but he is actually a regular and really cool team member. Also Clint is relentless, Mockingbird (who I really like) is already in the show and there is a lot of plot under the surface.

Also who else expects to maybe see Tigra, Vision or Scarlet Witch showing up before the year is over? War Machine and USAgent are posibilities but dilute Iron Man and Cap if not presented correctly. Maybe War Machine not so much but USAgent is a harder character to explain.

I'm really hoping a couple of things happen soon - Cap takes over as team leader from Tony, and that at least one more woman gets added permanently to the team, whether it's Miss Marvel, Mockingbird, Tigra, Scarlet Witch or someone else.

If skrulls are fair game for the cartoon, which apparently they are, I think the Super Skrull is too - both were part of the Fantastic Four licensing rights.

seriously the only problem i havewith the show so far is the lack of characterizaqtion for Cap, in his episode he was treated really respectfully but it seems like hes been playing second fiddle to panther and tony lately.

also best part of the last episode:

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the first person perspective as hawkeye aims at viper and widow.. we see three great female characters in a kickbutt sequence

Quote from: Talavar on December 22, 2010, 04:01:18 PM
If skrulls are fair game for the cartoon, which apparently they are, I think the Super Skrull is too - both were part of the Fantastic Four licensing rights.

Again, if the characters have appeared in Super Hero Squad, then they're more than likely free to appear in this cartoon. Cosmic characters such as Thanos and the skrulls are a major part of the second season of that show. The Super Skrull and the Fan 4 were used in season 1.

Sidenote: I'm pretty sure the Ironman from this cartoon had a brief cameo in Super Hero Squad just to give you an idea of how close the series are.

Should I be watching Super Hero Squad btw?

Just curious... is it any good?

The few episodes I saw I couldn't really get into although modok and punished were pretty funny

I just read the earths mightiest heroes tie-in comic, and I gotta say it was one of the best avengers comics I've read in a while. A little better than the all ages avengers comic that was out.  I believe it's in continuity with the show, and it had cameos from Batroc's Brigade, which is pretty cool.  Also the backup story had killer artwork.

Quote from: lugaru on December 24, 2010, 03:08:03 AM
Should I be watching Super Hero Squad btw?

Just curious... is it any good?

No, you should not be watching unless you're really into campy, referential (comics, creators, and some RL stuff) cartoons aimed at kids between 4-8.

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Quote from: lugaru on December 24, 2010, 03:08:03 AM
Should I be watching Super Hero Squad btw?

Just curious... is it any good?

No, you should not be watching unless you're really into campy, referential (comics, creators, and some RL stuff) cartoons aimed at kids between 4-8.

You absolutely MUST read the webcomic, it is a thing of genius. It goes from legitimately funny to being a parody (of itself I guess) but is consistently brilliant.
I haven't watched the show.

http://superherosquad.marvel.com/comic_strips/marvel_super_hero_squad.194.don~apos~t_quit_your_day_job

watched the latest episode this morning of kang attacking and trying to kill Captain America! liked it alot. it also mentions reed richards and shows a picture of the fantastic four. i like how they drew ben grimm. really early Kirby looking. also liked cap giving tony a boxing lesson and hulk/hawkeye watching and horse laughing everytime tony hits the floor. hopefully the FF will turn up in a future episode.  it comes back on tonight so try to catch it!

Definitely a good episode, and the start of a several episode Kang arc, if episode descriptions are to be believed. 

I still feel the show is having trouble staging action scenes with all or most of the Avengers present though; there's a lot of them seemingly taking turns to attack Kang in this episode.  Like "Wolverine and the X-men," the action scenes are serviceable, but very few of them have any sort of 'wow' factor to them.

If nothing else, you can sure get some great FX sounds from these shows :)  The episode where Thor fought the Wrecking Crew delivered some awesome Mjolnir impact sounds!

Just saw the Kang eps and

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looks like Cap is finally stepping up. Made Hulk get the jumping, lol.

I enjoyed the Kang trilogy, and I loved the characterization Cap and Ironman got as a result of the arc. I'm still wondering why Black Panther is on the team because he did next to nothing in all 3 episodes. He wasn't in today's episode at all outside of a brief mention. Everyone else, however, seemed to get a moment or two to shine, and that's one of the things I like about the show. And if the ending scene is anything to go by, we're getting closer to having Ultron show up as a big bad.

As an aside, did anyone else hear that the Black Panther movie is coming out of the development abyss and is being pushed forward as an actual movie under the Marvel movie studios?

Quote from: Previsionary on January 24, 2011, 11:19:54 AM
I enjoyed the Kang trilogy, and I loved the characterization Cap and Ironman got as a result of the arc. I'm still wondering why Black Panther is on the team because he did next to nothing in all 3 episodes. He wasn't in today's episode at all outside of a brief mention. Everyone else, however, seemed to get a moment or two to shine, and that's one of the things I like about the show. And if the ending scene is anything to go by, we're getting closer to having Ultron show up as a big bad.

As an aside, did anyone else hear that the Black Panther movie is coming out of the development abyss and is being pushed forward as an actual movie under the Marvel movie studios?

I know what you mean about about BP, but Cap did tell him he should go back to Africa(man, that sounds a little racist).  He told him he should go and look after his people, so his absence wasn't unexplained.  Not to mention, he was involved in the battle they had against Kang in the first episode.

But I get your point.  If you ask me, the roster is quite full anyway and I think and believe it should have thinned out by now, dropped a few members and added a few as well.  I'm still not entirely too comfortable with having the Hulk on the team.  He never struck me as a team player.  Beyond that, they already have a uber strong aggressive guy who completely fits on the team with Thor.  We've already seen brief intros of Ms. marvel, Black Knight and I still would like to other mainstays like Falcon, Scarlet Witch and Vision(of course Ultron would have to betray the Avengers and Wonderman would have to betray the Masters of Evil, etc.).  I know it's hard and don't want to keep making reference, but it isn't entirely uncalled for for them to follow the formula set up by the Justice League series and feature 3, 4 or 5 members at a time in each episode.

I do like the dynamic of Cap and Ironman's relationship.  It's one thing to read about it but another to actually see it and how they relate to each other.  One's traditional and relies on his human ability.  The other's more contemporary and relies on technology.  They are seemingly learning off of each other and you can see how Cap's natural leadership and knowledge is asserting itself and how Ironman is bothered by it but how Cap also relies on Ironman as well.

i like the show also. hulk being on the team is starting to feel better but yeah, they have Thor so theres the power too. liking the little guest appearances also; picture of the FF, mr.fantasic, Herbie and the Human Torch at the end of the kang trilogy. if i could re-do the roster i'd go  Captain America, Ironman, Thor, Vision, Wasp, Hawkeye, and Black Panther. i'd have Tchalla not running along walls and throwing energy blasts but more vibranium claws and utilizing his speed,agility, and senses more. i'd have Dr. Pym as more of a resident scientist/ sometimes hero member. same with Banner/Hulk.

The Kang Trilogy of episodes has definitely been a highlight of the series so far.  I agree that the roster could use some work - drop Hulk and T'Challa (unless they can find something for him to do) - and add Ms. Marvel.

I had heard that a Black Panther movie is in development at Marvel, for the post-Avengers movie slate.

Quote from: Talavar on January 27, 2011, 10:10:26 PM
The Kang Trilogy of episodes has definitely been a highlight of the series so far.  I agree that the roster could use some work - drop Hulk and T'Challa (unless they can find something for him to do) - and add Ms. Marvel.

Funny reaction, they are two of my favorite elements in the series. Hulk means you always have a mix of comedic relief and straight up butt kicking. I also love how he interacts with Hawkeye. Black Panther is easily the team warrior, stealthy, going off on his own and getting results. He is by far the most pragmatist member, skeptical about authority and well equiped. I'm actually really happy that he is a regular on the show, since Marvel rarely finds good stuff for him to do outside of his own comic.

I agree with Big Lu.  I'm enjoying Hulk and BP. 

I really like the way the Hulk was set up to have a positive relationship with Bruce.

Quote from: lugaru on January 29, 2011, 02:57:54 AM

Quote from: Talavar on January 27, 2011, 10:10:26 PM
The Kang Trilogy of episodes has definitely been a highlight of the series so far.  I agree that the roster could use some work - drop Hulk and T'Challa (unless they can find something for him to do) - and add Ms. Marvel.

Funny reaction, they are two of my favorite elements in the series. Hulk means you always have a mix of comedic relief and straight up butt kicking. I also love how he interacts with Hawkeye. Black Panther is easily the team warrior, stealthy, going off on his own and getting results. He is by far the most pragmatist member, skeptical about authority and well equiped. I'm actually really happy that he is a regular on the show, since Marvel rarely finds good stuff for him to do outside of his own comic.

I like Black Panther, but since his addition to the team, how many episodes has he played a major part in?  Two?  He needs more to do if he's going to be a regular team member. 

i'm starting to warm up to hulk being on the team. kinda like having a super strong wolverine on the team. he'll smash at the drop of a hat! hulks always been a favorite of mine. i really like panther too but i'd rather him just drop in from time to time. i'd rather have vision on the team than ms. marvel.

Vision's cool, but Ms. Marvel would address the show's major weakness - female heroes.  Their version of the Wasp is a fun character, but she easily has the weakest powers of the team, and she's the only female.  Ms. Marvel would up some of the tanking if Hulk left, and also flies and has blaster powers.

Which brings me to the Hulk - he just doesn't work that well for me.  The personality they've crafted for him to make him work on a team isn't a bad one, but it just doesn't feel like the Hulk.

I'd be surprised if Hulk left the show ever leaves the show for any length of time. I think tying into the Avengers film and having those four movie characters in the show is a big part of their marketing and premise.

^Pretty much. If marvel has a movie on its way, expect said character to appear on show or game.

Quote from: Podmark on January 29, 2011, 08:52:57 PM
I'd be surprised if Hulk left the show ever leaves the show for any length of time. I think tying into the Avengers film and having those four movie characters in the show is a big part of their marketing and premise.

True Enough.  With that line of thinking,  I'm surprised Black Widow hasn't played an even bigger part than she already has.

Her not being on the show actually could be reason enough to say that maybe they're not sticking to the Avengers marketing plan.  But I won't say that is likely.  I agree with you though.  I like the Hulk, I really do.  But, maybe it's just my opinion, but he's not a team player.  He's a loner. And has a people problem.  Making him part of a team is making the character something he's not: nice, agreeable, controlled, etc.  He's not.

At the very least make him re-occuring.

Your vision of Hulk contradicts what he became over the years though. Bruce/Hulk are semi-team players right now under Pak and Parker's pen. Banner is also more calculating and jerkish. I think the version they're currently using is a weird mix of old and new. I can't say I disapprove of a slightly different version of Hulk appearing. We've seen raging, non team player Hulk so many times (1960s-2009) that a change up is appealing to me. At least they worked his change of heart into the storyline instead of it just happening. But rest assure, I'm sure the rager you all adore and love will reappear when the new live-action Hulk show premieres.

And yeah, I have to agree that dropping T'challa is not a bad move. He adds nothing to the show right now. Well, I suppose he does help diversify the team from being a bunch of wasps, but other than that...

So, I have been meaning to post here for the last month or so.  I finally tracked down the bulk of these episodes (I haven't seen the last three or so yet), and I have absolutely loved this show so far.  I was really excited about it, and I've loved every minute of it.  They've succeeded in doing at least some of the same things that JLU did, taking the best versions of these characters and telling fun, interesting stories with them.  The show isn't really as deep or compelling (though it has its moments), but it is so well animated and action-packed, that I can pretty much live with that.  

My only complaints so far are their using the Ultimate version of Captain Marvel and Nick Fury, plus the inclusion of the Secret Invasion stuff.  Y'all know I hate the Ultimates as a concept on general principle, and I generally find their designs pretty boring and ugly.  The Captain Marvel design is better than most, but the original is one of my all-time favorite costumes, and I've always really liked the classic character.  For Fury, it's more of a purist thing, and his appearance doesn't bother me that much.  It's just a minor annoyance that keeps the show from being perfect in my book.  As for the Secret Invasion hints they've dropped, I've got no problem with what they've done so far, but I'm concerned by this move to include stuff from the modern storylines.  I'm hopeful that their handling will be good, but I am a bit wary.  If they keep it as part of the Kree-Skrull War, I imagine it will be cool.

With those exceptions though, everything they've done has been fantastic.  I've been especially fond of seeing Thor, Cap, and Ant-Man in action.  I'm holding out the incredibly unlikely hope that we'll see a reformed Swordsman join the team at some point in the future, but until then I'm very happy with the line-up.  All in all, I am unabahsedly loving this show, and I hope it runs for years to come.  Heaven knows there is a wealth of truly excellent Avengers stories (in concept, if not in execution) to adapt, and their policy of doing so is one of my favorite things about the show.

Quote from: Previsionary on February 03, 2011, 01:50:41 AM
Your vision of Hulk contradicts what he became over the years though. Bruce/Hulk are semi-team players right now under Pak and Parker's pen. Banner is also more calculating and jerkish. I think the version they're currently using is a weird mix of old and new. I can't say I disapprove of a slightly different version of Hulk appearing. We've seen raging, non team player Hulk so many times (1960s-2009) that a change up is appealing to me. At least they worked his change of heart into the storyline instead of it just happening. But rest assure, I'm sure the rager you all adore and love will reappear when the new live-action Hulk show premieres.

And yeah, I have to agree that dropping T'challa is not a bad move. He adds nothing to the show right now. Well, I suppose he does help diversify the team from being a bunch of wasps, but other than that...

I'm in agreement with the majority that find Hulk someone who doesn't quite fit.  I'm waiting on him to be written out or become a recurring character instead of a team member.  That being said, I've been very happy with how he's been written.  Banner is a good guy, and he's turning his monster into a force for good.  That's the character that I know and love, whether there are other interpretations on top of that or not.  

Prev., I haven't read too much of the new stuff, but I don't care for the changes they've made to Banner in what I have read.  I like this fellow more, but I would like to see more of him.  Hulk without the conflict of the two personalities isn't as interesting to me.  

How exactly does Thor count as protestant, Prev? ;)  Ha, seriously though, I'm in agreement with the guys who like the Panther.  He hasn't had a ton to do lately, but he offers plenty of possibilities.  He doesn't take anything away by being on the team, and his presence gives the writers some options.  While I've never been a particular fan of the Panther (though, like MANY of the characters of the big two, I like him and his concept but just haven't followed him individually), I like his portrayal here.  

Nick Fury isn't really Ultimate Nick Fury though - he's more a weird hybrid of Ultimate and traditional Nick Fury.  He's black, but he doesn't look like Samuel Jackson, and he's got traditional-Nick's greying temples.

Quote from: Talavar on February 03, 2011, 03:52:29 AM
Nick Fury isn't really Ultimate Nick Fury though - he's more a weird hybrid of Ultimate and traditional Nick Fury.  He's black, but he doesn't look like Samuel Jackson, and he's got traditional-Nick's greying temples.

Yeah they used the same thing in Wolverine in the X-Men, and it bugs me. I'd rather they choose one or the other. I prefer Ultimate Fury, never been much of a fan of the 616 version.

Quote from: BentonGrey on February 03, 2011, 03:06:08 AM
My only complaints so far are their using the Ultimate version of Captain Marvel and Nick Fury

I was just reading an interview the other day with show runner Chris Yost and he said that he loves the classic design too but they felt there was already too many blond males in the cast. He likes the Ultimate design, particularly how it make him seem more alien.

Yeah, it does present a pretty alien picture, but one of the things I've liked about the Kree is that they LOOK like the good guys, even though they aren't.

Has anyone heard when new episodes of Avengers are returning?  I can't seem to find out.

well from a picture i saw for season 2, it showed some guest characters. WOLVERINE, STORM, SASQUATCH, BLACK GOLIATH, NIGHTCRAWLER and the WATCHER. and of course FALCON, MS. MARVEL, VISION, and DOC DOOM.

Quote from: herodad1 on September 04, 2011, 09:54:12 PM
well from a picture i saw for season 2, it showed some guest characters. WOLVERINE, STORM, SASQUATCH, BLACK GOLIATH, NIGHTCRAWLER and the WATCHER. and of course FALCON, MS. MARVEL, VISION, and DOC DOOM.

I know Ms. Marvel and The Vision are going to join the team, but does The Falcon count too,  or is he just a guest?

To be perfectly honest, I really think they need to trim the lineup.  I appreciate the wealth of characters, but you can't feature them all.  If they want to keep them all, they should do like  the Justice League and feature 4-5 in an episode and don't try to fit them all in the same episode. 

And please, as much as I love the character, they need to get rid of the Hulk.  The group does not need two super strong brutes.  Thor is essential.  Hulk has always seemed(and been written as) a loner character.  I thought that was the direction they started with early on but he stayed.  Almost an unfair unbalance.

I think the LAST thing they should do is trim the line-up, but you are right, they'll need to do some JLU-esq balancing to handle the large cast properly.  To be honest, though, they have been doing that already.  We don't have everyone in every episode, and that's a good thing.

Quote from: Shogunn2517 on September 13, 2011, 09:04:44 PM
To be perfectly honest, I really think they need to trim the lineup.  I appreciate the wealth of characters, but you can't feature them all.  If they want to keep them all, they should do like  the Justice League and feature 4-5 in an episode and don't try to fit them all in the same episode. 

Like Benton mentioned, they've already been doing that in the first season.

Personally, I've come around on Hulk being a part of the team.  He's definitely not going anywhere though - with Hulk being a lead in next summer's Avengers film, media synergy demands his presence.

Agreed. I've come to enjoy how the Hulk was written in the first season. Also, I like the idea of having a rotating group, it would add variety to the show.

I like how the Hulk was written, and I think they've done a good job with him.  He doesn't REALLY seem to fit with the group, I'll give you that.  However, as long as he isn't in every episode, I don't think his inclusion would bother me.

I kind of hope that they dont add any more members BUT have guests on every episode. Part of what hooked me so hard on the JLU cartoon was the constantly rotating cast which allowed for different types of stories, not to mention a chance to make me think obscure dc characters I dont care about are cool. Black Goliath and Nightcrawler might be a little bittersweet but Falcon and Sasquatch would be really cool.

My fantasy? For them to do a MODOK's 11 episode (or maybe 2 episodes), completely sans heroes.

Quote from: Talavar on February 03, 2011, 03:52:29 AM
Nick Fury isn't really Ultimate Nick Fury though - he's more a weird hybrid of Ultimate and traditional Nick Fury.  He's black, but he doesn't look like Samuel Jackson, and he's got traditional-Nick's greying temples.

I find it interesting that the Marvel Nick Fury is a bit of a James Bond figure while the Ultimate Nick is fairly evil. The animated Nick not only looks like those two had a baby, but his temperament is halfway in between. He is an adventuring, cool secret agent but he also is full of dangerous secrets and conspiracies.

I watched the opening 'origins' type episode about iron man when this series came out and found myself a little bored, honestly. So I didn't watch any more. I have netflix instant watch though and all of season 1 is on there so I just watched the whole season over a week or 2.

I'm impressed! It was much better than I was expecting, honestly, and despite some predictable breaks from tradition captured the spirit of the characters pretty well. The storylines were engaging and (usually- see below) fairly believable (for comic book stories. :P )

What I liked:
I like that although Tony Stark is the nominal leader the group generally does well regardless of whether he is giving (his sometimes good, sometimes not so good) orders. The writers didn't overdo his role.

Lots of variety in villains, problems, and character issues, Antman's aversion to violence for instance was incorporated well, not in a hammy or forced way.

Good voice acting. I like the animation in general. It looks good in HD on my PC.

Retains the comic-book charm and lightheartedness. No gore, no bizarre and incongruous dark anime style, the kids can watch it, and it's by no means cheesy but doesn't take itself too seriously like the live action films and some of the animated series do nowadays (actually becoming less believable in the process.)

What I didn't like:

I don't care for all the character designs (I agree with those who point out the decidedly un-classic looks of ironman and wasp in particular.) But no big deal.

Some of the storylines were a bit of a stretch, in my opinion. For instance, the two-part Ultron story, while a pretty good standard AI/robot-gone-wrong doomsday story, wasn't as fleshed out as it could have been. A single Ultron goes haywire and becomes an evil apocalyptic homicidal killer- it also becomes powerful enough to seemingly vaporize Thor and bring the world within two seconds of nuclear armageddon etc etc and it's never quite made clear exactly how it got so out of hand and why. How did it become so invincible when a few episodes before the Ultron robots, while useful, were by no means difficult to destroy? Maybe I missed something.  :blink:

Also in the final two episodes when the avengers get separated from each other and sent to the other realms/dimensions (temporarily) after destroying the stones, at one point Iron Man (who has lost his armor) get's a new suit of armor built for him in short order by the same elves that built Thor's hammer mjolnir. The suit seems to have all the same abilities and functions as his old one. That seemed a bit ridiculous to me, not that the excellent forgers couldn't build him A suit of armor, maybe even one that could partially incorporate his chest implant's energy, but for it to have all the same computerized systems seems to stretch credulity a bit.  <_<

Other than that, I liked it and this series has somewhat restored my faith in Marvel and current comic book adaptations.

Anyone know when season 2 premieres? I had heard October 18th but I can't seem to confirm that...

I've only heard October, and can't even confirm that.

From CBR (Comicbook Resource);

QuoteAccording to panel attendees at NYCC, they're holding back the Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes until 2012 so that they can build a "Marvel Heroes" programming block with the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon.

I hope I'm not the only one who is, at the very least, rather disappointed...

I'm with you brother.

What?  That's retarded.  Put out episodes now AND in 2012.  Bah.

That IS a bummer. I was actually looking forward to watching the new season of the Avengers.

The question now, I can't help but wonder, is whether that release date will also be true internationally.  In the past, it has not.

I'm disappointed too.  <_< but thanks for the info. there goes october down the drain.  :rolleyes:  :lol:

Quote from: kkhohoho on October 17, 2011, 09:11:19 PM
From CBR (Comicbook Resource);

QuoteAccording to panel attendees at NYCC, they're holding back the Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes until 2012 so that they can build a "Marvel Heroes" programming block with the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon.

I hope I'm not the only one who is, at the very least, rather disappointed...

Wait.  Didn't they just kill off Peter Parker in the Ult. universe?  The new kid hasn't even had time to get a following.  Why on earth do we even need an 'Ultimate Spider-Man' cartoon, much less delay Avengers for it?  There are already Spider-Man cartoons on Netflix that are basically sorta like USM.

Color me disappointed AND uninterested.

QuoteColor me disappointed AND uninterested.

Well I'm not interested in ultimate spider man (the 90's animated spiderman series is the only one I've ever liked) but I am interested in the avengers EMH series. I was actually rather pleasantly impressed by the first season. It's unfortunate if they wait so long to continue it.

I guess we'll just have to make do with this in the meantime:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qxgZJyOIkA&feature=related

Quote from: BlueBard on October 18, 2011, 06:36:33 PM

Quote from: kkhohoho on October 17, 2011, 09:11:19 PM
From CBR (Comicbook Resource);

QuoteAccording to panel attendees at NYCC, they're holding back the Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes until 2012 so that they can build a "Marvel Heroes" programming block with the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon.

I hope I'm not the only one who is, at the very least, rather disappointed...

Wait.  Didn't they just kill off Peter Parker in the Ult. universe?  The new kid hasn't even had time to get a following.  Why on earth do we even need an 'Ultimate Spider-Man' cartoon, much less delay Avengers for it?  There are already Spider-Man cartoons on Netflix that are basically sorta like USM.

Color me disappointed AND uninterested.

In all likelihood, they're not going to use the new kid, and instead will use good ol' Peter, because that's who practically every kid in the world knows when they hear 'Spiderman.'

Quote from: kkhohoho on October 20, 2011, 05:53:24 PM

Quote from: BlueBard on October 18, 2011, 06:36:33 PM

Quote from: kkhohoho on October 17, 2011, 09:11:19 PM
From CBR (Comicbook Resource);

QuoteAccording to panel attendees at NYCC, they're holding back the Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes until 2012 so that they can build a "Marvel Heroes" programming block with the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon.

I hope I'm not the only one who is, at the very least, rather disappointed...

Wait.  Didn't they just kill off Peter Parker in the Ult. universe?  The new kid hasn't even had time to get a following.  Why on earth do we even need an 'Ultimate Spider-Man' cartoon, much less delay Avengers for it?  There are already Spider-Man cartoons on Netflix that are basically sorta like USM.

Color me disappointed AND uninterested.

In all likelihood, they're not going to use the new kid, and instead will use good ol' Peter, because that's who practically every kid in the world knows when they hear 'Spiderman.'

Yes, it's Peter Parker, as per usual. the Ultimate Spidey toon was in the works before Spectacular even ended. But considering Bendis's involvement, I wouldn't be surprised if Miles showed up.

So I'm re-watching the series again(actually missed the bulk of season 2 so most of it is a initial viewing) and I'm on the 3rd episode of the prequel shows, "Man on the Ant-hill" and when Klaw and his mercenaries come in to confront Henry Pym.

Anyone notice the striking resemblance Klaw's four mercenaries and Blaine(Jesse Ventura), Dutch(Schwarzenegger), Dillon(Carl Weathers) and Billy(Sonny Landham) from Predator?  There's one with a thin mustache and a safari hat(Blaine), one with brown hair a vest and a 5 o'clock shadow(Dutch), one black one with bare-arms, mustache and green camo hat(Dillon) and a brown skinned guy with long hair and a bandana(Billy).

Not sure if this was notice before, but it's something I picked up after a double-take or two.

Yeah. I liked that reference watching it too.  I should rewatch that series.  And wolverine and the xmen.

Haha, yeah, I noticed that too.  That's a cool reference.