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Title: Requesting body type Requests (O.-)
Post by: Tomato on November 03, 2009, 06:44:48 PM
going through and doing a few body types for an NPI update (preferably one that'll occur TODAY, but that is entirely dependent on getting my html stuff working *gives program disgusted look*) and I remember something HQ said to me at one point about how he didn't like using fingered meshes because he'd prefer all his meshes to be consistent, and non-fingered meshes are in greater supply. The way I see it though, with the invention of nifskope, the only real limitation is different body-types (well, faces too, but one thing at a time >P) so I just wanted to know if anyone had any suggestions for Body types that I can look in to (we'll go with both male AND female... I'm focusing on male right now, but I'll write down ideas for female as well.
Title: Re: Requesting body type Requests (O.-)
Post by: detourne_me on November 03, 2009, 07:02:04 PM
A super skinny body type would be great.  one that could be used for DC's Ragdoll, Some anime characters, or Jack Skellington.
umm, an amanda waller body type would be cool too.

Title: Re: Requesting body type Requests (O.-)
Post by: deano_ue on November 03, 2009, 07:50:53 PM
if you can get a hold of some how to draw books they should have a good range of body shapes
Title: Re: Requesting body type Requests (O.-)
Post by: freedomgod55 on November 03, 2009, 08:04:18 PM
Yes the Amanda Waller body type would be great.  :D  :thumbup:
Title: Re: Requesting body type Requests (O.-)
Post by: herodad1 on November 03, 2009, 08:56:37 PM
your colossus could be a body type without the extras.( really_tall_muscular). (short_stocky). (male_basic_heavilybuilt). your insperation could be certain characters that would fall into those body types like for example  colossus,wolverine or jsa atom, the thing, luke cage, ect.i know youve got the imagination for the job mater!
Title: Re: Requesting body type Requests (O.-)
Post by: AfghanAnt on November 03, 2009, 09:54:00 PM
Tall, thick but muscular male type like this one:
(http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/2860/stockyd.jpg)
;)
Title: Re: Requesting body type Requests (O.-)
Post by: Blkcasanova247 on November 03, 2009, 10:25:47 PM
Yes..I'll be the one to put it out there....female mesh with large breasts,taller, and a little muscular (Powergirl..Wonder Woman...Starfire..Frank Cho it up a little :P) and "t-shirt" versions of all your forth coming female meshes.
Title: Re: Requesting body type Requests (O.-)
Post by: Tomato on November 03, 2009, 10:33:58 PM
Quote from: AfghanAnt on November 03, 2009, 09:54:00 PM
Tall, thick but muscular male type like this one:

(http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/6351/maleffs.jpg)
These work for you AA  :P
Title: Re: Requesting body type Requests (O.-)
Post by: deano_ue on November 03, 2009, 10:37:33 PM
nice
Title: Re: Requesting body type Requests (O.-)
Post by: herodad1 on November 03, 2009, 10:53:14 PM
yeah,now your on fire!how about a big thick mesh without the muscular look.kinda like the blob or the thing.
Title: Re: Requesting body type Requests (O.-)
Post by: Tomato on November 03, 2009, 10:58:21 PM
Quote from: herodad1 on November 03, 2009, 10:53:14 PM
yeah,now your on fire!how about a big thick mesh without the muscular look.kinda like the blob or the thing.

*points to the right* Only thing muscular there is the base skin.
Title: Re: Requesting body type Requests (O.-)
Post by: doctorchallenger on November 03, 2009, 11:05:54 PM
Robots with pipe/tube like limbes a la MAgnus robot fighter.  Boxy heads, torsos and pelvises can be skoped on.

http://www.comics.pop-cult.com/H-R/images/Magnus-Robot-Fighter.jpg
Title: Re: Requesting body type Requests (O.-)
Post by: UnkoMan on November 04, 2009, 01:54:09 AM
I will be glad when you start on female. Not nearly enough female meshes. Lots of different male ones, though.
Are you going to do a dwarf mesh? Or how about any giant meshes? (Or even better, isn't there a way to make the keyframes make regular sizes into giants?)
Title: Re: Requesting body type Requests (O.-)
Post by: Tomato on November 04, 2009, 02:02:05 AM
Quote from: UnkoMan on November 04, 2009, 01:54:09 AM
I will be glad when you start on female. Not nearly enough female meshes. Lots of different male ones, though.
Are you going to do a dwarf mesh? Or how about any giant meshes? (Or even better, isn't there a way to make the keyframes make regular sizes into giants?)

Yeah... you can either skope the handle node bigger, or you can use one of Tommy's giant keys.

Dwarf is a bit trickier, simply because the biped needs to be slightly different... hmm. might look into it.

As for females... *cough* (http://freedomreborn.net/forums/index.php?topic=49799.msg703490#msg703490)
Title: Re: Requesting body type Requests (O.-)
Post by: Sioux City Dynamo on November 04, 2009, 03:01:31 AM
Hi Tomato....

Thanks for taking mesh requests. I will focus on female as most are focusing on males and I have a lot of females on the to skope/skin list and would like to move to your new fingered meshes.

I am wondering if you might be able to do a female portly mesh for characters like Granny Goodness and a female obese for characters like Big Bertha. 

Also, would it be possible for your to take a few of your female mesh variations and size them to be compatible with male basic (like the crymsin mesh).  This would allow for a variety of female skopes with weapons.

Lastly, I am wondering if you are planning any female mesh variations with heels.....For some reason (although not to realistic) I am a fan of female superheros with heels....

Anyway, just a few thoughts and suggestions.

Respectfully,
Title: Re: Requesting body type Requests (O.-)
Post by: President Raygun on November 04, 2009, 03:03:03 AM
This one's a little wierd, but how about a teen stocky, or more or less a short, stocky male.
Title: Re: Requesting body type Requests (O.-)
Post by: Podmark on November 04, 2009, 03:24:29 AM
Quote from: President Raygun on November 04, 2009, 03:03:03 AM
or more or less a short, stocky male.

We want a mesh of George Costanza?
Title: Re: Requesting body type Requests (O.-)
Post by: Outcast on November 04, 2009, 04:38:22 AM
A lot of great suggestions already here. Just gonna add a girl sidekick12 or 14. Something you could use like for the Power Pack girls. Renegade already made a male teen sidekick 12 and 14. :cool:

Not sure if a good Mr Incredible body type already exists if not then..
Or a not so muscular male stout (whose belly is not so big?)  :wacko:
Title: Re: Requesting body type Requests (O.-)
Post by: area34 on November 04, 2009, 05:27:31 AM
Man, I was going to suggest a Power Pack set.... (In hopes AA might skin them since he quit over the skoping issues.)
Title: Re: Requesting body type Requests (O.-)
Post by: Tomato on November 04, 2009, 06:01:53 AM
um... guys? There seems to be some confusion here... first off, while I do also intend to add to our library of meshes *points to football, fat, dpmask, etc.* I see many of you are glossing over body types we already have... well, please don't. In regards to this thread, if a mesh does not have fingers it exists as example ONLY.

Second... as much as I want to, I likely won't finish even half of the current requests. I'll try, I really will, but please do not post with the intent of "I want you..." or "I expect you..." We're all human you know(yes, even C6... though he might have gotten alien skin magics somewhere along the way) and there's only 60 things I can do at once.

I will add though, if anyone wanted to assist, it's more than welcome... I release max files of all my meshes in case anybody wants to tinker. I realize meshing isn't an easy thing, but I don't mind writing some tutorials for anyone who wants to try it... though that stuff can be taken to pm.

ok, rant over. Go nuts, kill murs, whatever.
Title: Re: Requesting body type Requests (O.-)
Post by: Tawodi Osdi on November 04, 2009, 03:15:19 PM
Would be possible to shape the shoulders like shoulder pads from football?  I think it would be interesting to make ones favorite football teams into skins.  Go, Sooners!  I figure that to skin types would be needed.  One of your huskier skins for bigger players, like linebackers, and something along the line of male_basic for smaller players, like quarterbacks.
Title: Re: Requesting body type Requests (O.-)
Post by: Gremlin on November 04, 2009, 08:10:13 PM
One of the body types we sorely lack is a slender female. All existing meshes are pretty darn curvy.
Title: Re: Requesting body type Requests (O.-)
Post by: President Raygun on November 04, 2009, 08:47:56 PM
Quote from: Podmark on November 04, 2009, 03:24:29 AM
Quote from: President Raygun on November 04, 2009, 03:03:03 AM
or more or less a short, stocky male.

We want a mesh of George Costanza?

Why not ? He could call himself Independent George.

(Sorry about the threadjack)
Title: Re: Requesting body type Requests (O.-)
Post by: Tomato on November 04, 2009, 09:48:21 PM
Just to knock off a few things:

Resizes: I see a few people asking for altered sizes of the same mesh... my suggestion? Open up the regular mesh with nifskope, and change the size of the handle node to however you want it.

Football shoulders or similar: Honestly, for that you're better off 'skoping a separate shoulder pad mesh onto my meshes. That way you can just skope it onto different body types and not have to alter anything.
Title: Re: Requesting body type Requests (O.-)
Post by: Tawodi Osdi on November 04, 2009, 11:06:10 PM
That does sound better, regarding the football issue.  I assume helmets would need to be skoped separately, also.
Title: Re: Requesting body type Requests (O.-)
Post by: Tomato on November 04, 2009, 11:59:36 PM
Ok, so I just got around to going through and systematically doing a post by post inventory (I've gone through and gotten some rough ideas before, but I've got access to notepad now). There are some good ideas here, including a few I missed my first few times through, but I want to get some clarification on three of them... I kind of understand (at least somewhat) what you're asking, but it would be an enormous benefit if you could give me a visual example, either a character I can look up or an image that you can link to (no posting images please, shorter posts get swallowed that way).

Male_StockyT_TM -Requested by President Raygun
Male_Stout_TM -Requested by Outcast
Female_Skinny_TM -Requested by Gremlin
Title: Re: Requesting body type Requests (O.-)
Post by: President Raygun on November 05, 2009, 03:20:03 AM
Hi Tomato, first let me say thanks for considering my request, now I hope I don't lose you on this. Ever since a saw you're male stocky mesh I thought that it would be perfect for say a Ulysses Bloodstone, except that my first experience with the character was in his Marvel Handbook entry in which he looks about 5' 5"http://i614.photobucket.com/albums/tt226/raygunn6/Mesh/bloodstone.gif (http://i614.photobucket.com/albums/tt226/raygunn6/Mesh/bloodstone.gif), even though his height is listed as 6'2"; I think this is the only time he's ever been portrayed that short. So basically I'm talking about a guy with a thick neck, broad chest, wide back/shoulders, short arms and big tree stump legs with a low center of gravity which I think would work really well for the non-powered/ fighter type characters. It might also be good for a Byrne-era Wolverine as opposed to some of the overly muscled versions I've seen of late (in the comics that is). Hopefully I'm understanding what we mean here by Teen (that being a mesh that is shorter in height than the regular male mesh). If I'm wrong (and please correct me if I am) then please disregard and thanks anyways for your time.
Title: Re: Requesting body type Requests (O.-)
Post by: Tomato on November 05, 2009, 03:34:09 AM
Quote from: President Raygun on November 05, 2009, 03:20:03 AM
Hi Tomato, first let me say thanks for considering my request, now I hope I don't lose you on this. Ever since a saw you're male stocky mesh I thought that it would be perfect for say a Ulysses Bloodstone, except that my first experience with the character was in his Marvel Handbook entry in which he looks about 5' 5"http://i614.photobucket.com/albums/tt226/raygunn6/Mesh/bloodstone.gif (http://i614.photobucket.com/albums/tt226/raygunn6/Mesh/bloodstone.gif), even though his height is listed as 6'2"; I think this is the only time he's ever been portrayed that short. So basically I'm talking about a guy with a thick neck, broad chest, wide back/shoulders, short arms and big tree stump legs with a low center of gravity which I think would work really well for the non-powered/ fighter type characters. It might also be good for a Byrne-era Wolverine as opposed to some of the overly muscled versions I've seen of late (in the comics that is). Hopefully I'm understanding what we mean here by Teen (that being a mesh that is shorter in height than the regular male mesh). If I'm wrong (and please correct me if I am) then please disregard and thanks anyways for your time.


Not exactly... Teen (at least to me) tends to indicate a more youthful character in general. Rather then just being a shrunk MB, there are changes to both the build and the face as such. When you mentioned a stocky, it indicated maybe something more like current Superboy... which wouldn't so much indicate build per-se, but possibly changes to the face to indicate that we're talking about a 16-18 year old as opposed to a Luke Cage or Superman.

I'm actually seeing a lot of that kind of thing... maybe I should make a mini-tutorial so you guys can do it yourselves.
Title: Re: Requesting body type Requests (O.-)
Post by: Failed_Hero on November 05, 2009, 03:51:54 AM
What about a more oval shaped individual like the Penguin short, round, etc.  Something more like The TAS Penguin or De Vioto's Penguin from batman returns.

I second the varied female meshes that sync to male_basic keyframes like the crymsin mesh honestly a reanimated walk and run animation with to your general male basic keyframe sets would make the female forms skoped on male skeletons look more visiually believable. 

What about a female_heavy and female_hulking? I mean if those were made a legion monster girl would be begging to be made.   
Title: Re: Requesting body type Requests (O.-)
Post by: Tomato on November 05, 2009, 04:51:51 AM
Hmm... Honestly I'm not at all opposed to the notion of doing my female meshes on a mb frame, but the issue comes down to the fact that I personally don't get animating for FF... like, at all. So what you'd end up with are females who hold themselves like men. Now, if we had some people here who'd be willing to animate a decent array of "feminine" animations (walks, runs, idles, few melees, etc.) I'd do it without hesitation... centralizing our keys gives us more versatility.

*shrug* who knows though, might come up with something.
Title: Re: Requesting body type Requests (O.-)
Post by: Outcast on November 05, 2009, 06:03:05 AM
The male stout i was thinking sort of looks like this i suppose.
Spoiler
(http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/8227/stoutman.jpg)

Kinda like Family Guy or Homer Simpson or Jack Black I guess I dunno. :wacko:
Title: Re: Requesting body type Requests (O.-)
Post by: daglob on November 05, 2009, 08:11:34 PM
What about Lord Emshiddey's Male Rotund Cape?
Title: Re: Requesting body type Requests (O.-)
Post by: Gremlin on November 05, 2009, 09:38:13 PM
http://redlightnaps.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/kristyleecook.jpg
http://www.wallpapergate.com/data/media/23/Alyson_Hannigan_011.jpg

Alyson Hannigan, actually, is a perfect example; not skinny, per se, just more tomboyish than curvy. Google her, since the pictures that best show that happen to show her in her underwear. Haha.
Title: Re: Requesting body type Requests (O.-)
Post by: Blkcasanova247 on November 05, 2009, 09:47:22 PM
Grem..you cad! :P
Title: Re: Requesting body type Requests (O.-)
Post by: Outcast on November 05, 2009, 11:45:14 PM
Quote from: daglob on November 05, 2009, 08:11:34 PM
What about Lord Emshiddey's Male Rotund Cape?
And i thought i collected every mesh from Lord Ehmsidy's meshes. Have to find it and check it out. :doh:
Figured it might have already been done and just didn't knew about it. :doh:

Edit: found it! Looks right to me. Guess it was a bad suggestion. Sorry couldn't be of any help. :doh:
Title: Re: Requesting body type Requests (O.-)
Post by: Tomato on November 06, 2009, 04:34:38 PM
Quote from: Outcast on November 05, 2009, 11:45:14 PM
Quote from: daglob on November 05, 2009, 08:11:34 PM
What about Lord Emshiddey's Male Rotund Cape?
And i thought i collected every mesh from Lord Ehmsidy's meshes. Have to find it and check it out. :doh:
Figured it might have already been done and just didn't knew about it. :doh:

Edit: found it! Looks right to me. Guess it was a bad suggestion. Sorry couldn't be of any help. :doh:

It wasn't bad, just a little bizarre is all.  :P