My wife told me that they release photos of the actors
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=56475
I want to see this movie. Tim haven't let me down yet.
The Queen's head is too big, and Depp's face paint makes him look like a Homeless Joker
The Joker has already looked homeless: http://catholicdiscussion.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/large_batman-the-joker-d3xjfbwm.jpg <_<
I like the looks of it, reminds me of a lot of digital art I would see on goth sites at the end of the 90's.
Meh.
I lost interest in Burton's movies years ago. The last film I enjoyed of his was Sleepy Hollow.
corpse bride kicked arse
Color me utterly uninterested. I haven't cared for many of his movies since that second, horrible Batman.
His Batman was mediocre and wrong and set the way for terrible sequels.
Beetle Juice and Big Fish were boring.
Charlie and the Chocolate Factory was the worst ruining ever, even less like the awesome book than the first and no Gene Wilder or other crazy stuff.
Johnny Depp is not entertaining, and the only time he has been was in the first Pirates movie.
This seems to be in the same vein as that, I'm sure it won't be anything like the book but instead will just have a bunch of other weirdness and completely miss the point.
Nightmare Before Christmas is the best Christmas movie EVAR, but I don't think I really like Tim Burton overall.
9 looks really great, but he isn't even writing or directing that.
Quote from: BWPS on June 26, 2009, 03:23:42 PM
His Batman was mediocre and wrong and set the way for terrible sequels.
Beetle Juice and Big Fish were boring.
Charlie and the Chocolate Factory was the worst ruining ever, even less like the awesome book than the first and no Gene Wilder or other crazy stuff.
Johnny Depp is not entertaining, and the only time he has been was in the first Pirates movie.
This seems to be in the same vein as that, I'm sure it won't be anything like the book but instead will just have a bunch of other weirdness and completely miss the point.
Nightmare Before Christmas is the best Christmas movie EVAR, but I don't think I really like Tim Burton overall.
9 looks really great, but he isn't even writing or directing that.
And Tim Burton didn't direct Nightmare Before Christmas either.
That said, I hope this is good. Tim Burton is very hit or miss for me, and he seems to have been missing a lot more lately than hitting.
Quote from: BWPS on June 26, 2009, 03:23:42 PM
His Batman was mediocre and wrong and set the way for terrible sequels.
Beetle Juice and Big Fish were boring.
Charlie and the Chocolate Factory was the worst ruining ever, even less like the awesome book than the first and no Gene Wilder or other crazy stuff.
Johnny Depp is not entertaining, and the only time he has been was in the first Pirates movie.
This seems to be in the same vein as that, I'm sure it won't be anything like the book but instead will just have a bunch of other weirdness and completely miss the point.
Nightmare Before Christmas is the best Christmas movie EVAR, but I don't think I really like Tim Burton overall.
9 looks really great, but he isn't even writing or directing that.
So he's not all that, but I love the guy's style. Very dark humor.
Wow, no love for Sweeney Todd? I think it was great.
Quote from: lugaru on June 26, 2009, 04:55:07 PM
Wow, no love for Sweeney Todd? I think it was great.
Never saw it...I have to say that the premise creeped me out more than a little. I do hear it was well made....but a mass murdering barber just isn't my idea of quality literature, on film, on the stage, or in print.
I'll paste a little excerpt from my review of the movie, it will make you want to see it even less.
QuoteEven though the film doesn?t lack any comedic relief or musical performances, you won?t confuse it with a lighthearted piece of entertainment. As soon as the pace picks up expect to see throats slit and bones crunched with an unsettling frequency. While stylized, it is a far cry from the ethereal arterial spray in 300. This blood, ketchup red, is abundant and permanent, bubbling as it emerges from a gurgling mouth. All but the most squeamish viewer will get used to the violence but it takes somebody with a subscription to Fangoria to be completely unaffected by it. Also the movie works hard to create a tense atmosphere, littering its scenes with needles and cleavers. Everywhere you look people are wielding dangerous implements, and this is just a fact of life. The horror of this movie is that of a betrayal of trust, that the people we depend on might harm us at our most vulnerable.
Full review and original art from our sites illustrator:
http://www.theconnoisseurs.com/sweeneytodd.html
i love the way people moan about C&TCF it's the closest you'r gonna get to dahls vision of the book. yes burton added his own twists but thats to be expected from someone like him
i just find it funny that every one hates the new one cause it's not like the wilder film when dahl himself hated it with a passion
Personally, I think Burton's love of surrealistic things fits perfectly with Alice in Wonderland since it's a surrealistic book in the first place. The odd distorted looks of the characters is all right for that particular story. We'll see if the movie itself is any good, though.
As for the Chocolate Factory debate, the new one was very, very faithful to the book, but Dahl himself wrote the original screenplay on the older version, so many of the changes were his anyway.
actually there was a few rewrites by David Seltzer, which is why dahl pulled the plug on any sequel
Wow, super creepy.... the way it should be.
While Burton is hit and miss, I still love how he tries to make his films fantasy. He truly expands cinema magic. While it may not always be thumbs up from me on his movies, I certainly appreciate his vision of things.
Looking forward to this despite Hathaway's hair being white.
While I hate most Hollywood actresses with a passion...
I have a serious crush on Amy Adams and Anne Hathaway...
RTT
Quote from: RTTingle on June 27, 2009, 07:22:16 PM
Wow, super creepy.... the way it should be.
While Burton is hit and miss, I still love how he tries to make his films fantasy. He truly expands cinema magic. While it may not always be thumbs up from me on his movies, I certainly appreciate his vision of things.
Looking forward to this despite Hathaway's hair being white.
While I hate most Hollywood actresses with a passion...
I have a serious crush on Amy Adams and Anne Hathaway...
RTT
You can have Anne, but I'll fight you for Amy. Been head over heels for her since Enchanted...
Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on June 27, 2009, 08:42:26 AM
i love the way people moan about C&TCF it's the closest you'r gonna get to dahls vision of the book. yes burton added his own twists but thats to be expected from someone like him
What? It was less like the book than Willy Wonka, and unlike the original, all the additions and songs were completely worthless.
It's actually far, far closer to the book in a lot of ways. Surely, you've read the book? In addition, the songs actually are the songs from the book, set to music.
Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on June 28, 2009, 12:05:43 AM
It's actually far, far closer to the book in a lot of ways. Surely, you've read the book? In addition, the songs actually are the songs from the book, set to music.
I've read the book many times. Maybe in some ways it was closer to the book but overall it tried to tell a completely different story about Wonka. The whole bit about Wonka being the son of the dentist was a stupid backstory. I personally hated it very much mostly thanks to Johnny Depp being the worst casting choice for the character. The songs were all terrible even if they were the same lyrically. And the Gene Wilder movie, although definitely not as good as the book and definitely not a very close following, was a good movie (thanks much to Gene Wilder) and was much more faithful to the point of the book, where Wonka isn't some depressing little shut-in with a bad childhood but more of just an eccentric genius.
While the Burton version of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory may have been a more literal adaptation of the book, it was much further from the spirit and tone of the book than Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory, in my opinion.
I think Alice in Wonderland is right up Burton's alley, and am surprised he hasn't made an adaptation earlier than now. I'm sure the movie will have outstanding visuals, but most of Burton's movies I just don't like. In fact, I can really only think of three movies of his I like, and that's Big Fish and the Batmans. I really didn't like Charlie and the Chocolate Factory and thought Planet of the Apes was terrible. I doubt I'll see this unless some of my friends convince me to go.
QuoteAnd the Gene Wilder movie, although definitely not as good as the book and definitely not a very close following, was a good movie (thanks much to Gene Wilder) and was much more faithful to the point of the book, where Wonka isn't some depressing little shut-in with a bad childhood but more of just an eccentric genius.
Well, that I agree with. There's something about the first movie, a certain charm the new one lacks. And you're right about the whole backstory. Kind of took away from it all.
Quote from: RTTingle on June 27, 2009, 07:22:16 PM
Wow, super creepy.... the way it should be.
While Burton is hit and miss, I still love how he tries to make his films fantasy. He truly expands cinema magic. While it may not always be thumbs up from me on his movies, I certainly appreciate his vision of things.
I'm so glad someone agrees with me word for word.
Do yourself a HUGE favor and see Night at the Musuem 2 at Imax.
Those eyes and her derriere in those jodhpurs are the STARS of the movie.RTT
I'm quite a Tim Burton fan. Big Fish is one of my favourite films, I'm repeatedly touched by it each time I see it.
So I'm quite excited. Those who have said that this is the perfect scene for Tim Burton, I agree.
Stories like Alice in Wonderland was dark in nature. Disney took them and made them kid friendly. Another story that is dark in nature as well is the Pied-Piper.
Maybe he can take on Hansel and Gretel.
QuoteStories like Alice in Wonderland was dark in nature.
I wouldn't call it dark so much as twisted. Most kids stories throughout history, though, would never make a PG rating if made into an accurate movie today and most would be considered R. At any rate, it does fit Burton's elaborate yet twisted style.
Yeah, by the looks of it hopefully it will focus on surreal more than dark... people keep doing these movies, comics and games that say "the stories where supposed to be dark, lets make 'em darker... more barbed wire, more black corsettes, more knives and tattoos and ravens and absynth and..."
You know... just like disney made stuff too kid friendly many people who re-tell these stories end up just playing to goth cliches and again entirely losing the sensibility of the original.
I gotto agree with TUE, the gene wilder ovie, while a good movie, isnt as faithful as the new version, and this was even agreed by dahl's daughter who worked with burton during the movie's creation and repeated no end how much her father would have preferred burton's adaptation, then again, BWPS hates everything :P
always been intrigued by alice in wonderland (the fact I have a rabbit in a top-hat tattoo'd to my chest >_>) and will be interested in seeing how this progresses, I think burton's done some amazing work and has always been good at "capturing" an audience IMO.
This looks like something that could lead to McGee's Alice being adapted, I mean, the character designs are already twisted enough :P
Quote from: Sevenforce on July 01, 2009, 12:00:38 PM
This looks like something that could lead to McGee's Alice being adapted, I mean, the character designs are already twisted enough :P
I thought AM's Alice was actually in production which is actually the main reason I'm so not excited for this. Because this seems similar, it will probably prevent Alice from ever getting made. Luckily there is a sequel to the game coming.
Quotethen again, BWPS hates everything
I don't hate everything, a lot of things I love extremely. There's just no middle ground.
Never compromise.
pssst. you guys know that this is taking place 10 years post the original story (a la American McGee's "Alice") right?
ie. Alice goes back to Wonderland where everything's gone to hell.
first teaser trailer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SW14qDRJLCU
Quotepssst. you guys know that this is taking place 10 years post the original story (a la American McGee's "Alice") right?
ie. Alice goes back to Wonderland where everything's gone to hell.
Based on the trailer, I'd say your dead wrong about that, although I do believe there were a couple of other projects that were being worked on that would have fit that defiinition. I looks to me like they are following the books fairly closely, except for merging them together, which for some reason every alice film ever made has done.
The reason both books always get merged together is because either one alone would make a film with a 30 minute runtime. They're short.
Yes, but they're also completely different, and have not connection whatsoever apart from Alice. They don't even take place in the same world. If you must put them together, at least make it a two-part movie or something.
Ech.... The CG I've seen so far in the trailers is really ruining this for me. Colour me wholly uninterested in this entire thing.
Really? I think it makes the movie look more like Wonderland should look. It's a bizzare and distorted world and you really need CG to portray it properly.
Meh, I guess my thing is, I look at that Trailer and I find there's entirely too much focus on Depp for my taste... even getting over Tim Burton's style for the moment (which I think does fit the books better but is a bit too much for me personally) this is ALICE in Wonderland... why is the first trailer devoted almost entirely to Mad Hatter? I admit to being fairly outside the Alice fandom, but I don't recall Hatter being that influential in the story.
Don't get me wrong, I understand it... Depp is a big name and all that. But he's not in the starring role this time, he's a supporting actor.
Why is Depp in a major part of the trailer? Because a trailer's job is to get butts in movie theatre seats, and Johnny Depp can do that. You don't need to advertise the plot - the story barely has one anyway, and if people aren't familiar with 'Alice in Wonderland' already, the whole idea of moving pictures is probably going to freak them out too much for a trailer faithfully describing the story to do much good anyway.
With regards to the trailer, I strongly disagree that it focuses too much on Depp. He serves as a narrator for the teaser and then is revealed as to his appearance as The Mad Hatter. Aside from his narration, he appears in barely a third of the teaser trailer.
It's a classic teaser method that has been done numerous times over the years in numerous genres. You have a supporting actor that is recognizable to the audience featured in the teaser to attract the audience to become interested. Especially when the lead actress is a barely recognizable name and not likely to sell tickets. Who is Mia Wasikowska anyway? I mean I have seen her in a wonderful little film called "That Evening Sun" that most of you probably have not heard of. (She was a supporting role at best in the thing. The film belonged to Hal Holbrook!!) Otherwise, her biggest thing was a reoccurring role on the series "In Treatment" as far as stuff seen in America. Therefore, audiences are given a commodity in the teaser that will bring in audiences: Johnny Depp. And Depp is one of the hottest commodities in Hollywood right now. (And rightfully so, he is one of the most versatile actors out there right now.)
The same concept was done with LA Confidential with Kevin Spacey's character appearing to have a larger role than he did in the film. The real stars of the film were Russell Crowe and Guy Pearce but Spacey was the bigger name.
Spoiler
Spacey's character dies halfway into the movie
Don't judge the film therefore by the teaser alone.
As for the plot,
Spoiler
it doesn't seem to follow the books directly nor follow the American McGhee envisioning of Alice. Alice is established as being seventeen in the film and on the verge of being proposed to. She runs off from the party where she is to be proposed to and finds the rabbit hole. She winds up back in Wonderland but does not remember having been there ten years earlier.
Reminds me of Sky Captain, Hamrick, and Angelina Jolie practically dominating the trailer when she actually showed up for all of 3 minutes ;)
It looks interesting, but...I dunno. I seem to be getting Burton'd out. Don't get me wrong, I still love his stuff, but his style is getting stale to me. Mostly realised during Charlie and the Chocolate Factory remake :/
Quote from: Sevenforce on July 30, 2009, 09:39:59 PM
Reminds me of Sky Captain, Hamrick, and Angelina Jolie practically dominating the trailer when she actually showed up for all of 3 minutes ;)
It looks interesting, but...I dunno. I seem to be getting Burton'd out. Don't get me wrong, I still love his stuff, but his style is getting stale to me. Mostly realised during Charlie and the Chocolate Factory remake :/
Sky Captain is an excellent example.
And I am not disagreeing with you about Burton getting a bit stale, just commenting on the technique used in making the teaser trailer.