I have been trying to figure out which one would win and I lean towards Cat Man but then I remember that Black Panther has all sorts of gadgets. Then again Cat Man has a savage spirit dwelling within his soul so I feel it is a toss up I would love to see your guys' input on this topic :lol:
Black Panther hands down. He's an Avenger and a king of a sovereign nation. Also he had to win the title to be Black Panther through combat. and his gadgets are made with vibranium.
Catman was a joke who was revamped to be a killer.
I don't think Catman has yet to beat Batman, while Black Panther has bested Cap in combat before.
hey detourne,when did he beat cap? like to check out that issue.
it was in the first five issues of the new(er) series, art by JRjr and written by Reginald Hudlin.
panther wins vs classic catman...
against the revamped cool version... i think it could go either way...
Just so we are clear Catman had a gadget in Archer's quest that he claimed could disintegrate a man. plus take the catman from villains united. He was a badarse and took down captain Nazi who is stronger, faster, and tougher (physically) than batman and captain america put together.
Just so you know, Black Panther recently put the Silver Surfer in a elbow lock and has the access to a device that could drain the Surfer of his Power Cosmic. :thumbup:
catman fought batman to a standstill, basiclly toyed with him.
i would have to give this to catman, it would close but panther wouldn't go all the way to finish it
Quote from: thanoson on April 15, 2009, 06:07:52 AM
Just so you know, Black Panther recently put the Silver Surfer in a elbow lock and has the access to a device that could drain the Surfer of his Power Cosmic. :thumbup:
LALALALALA I can't hear you. ( Insert really crazed hateful rant about the new panther here.)
Against the REAL Panther I'd still be on the Black Panther to kick Catman's arse.
I agree about Black Panther taking this one. He is one of those characters that drives past the "brawler" camp where Batman, Catman and Captain America live and makes his home in the "Warrior" camp with dudes like Conan, Logan, Wonder Woman or Hawkman. You know, characters who are less about method and more about instinct.
the last time i say catman, all the villians were transported to a prison planet and he had his guts ripped out and was eaten alive.theres a new one?dont keep up with comics hardly at all anymore.i always go by the classics anyhow;black panther before he went all batmanish with the pantherang and the panther utility belt.yeah, he was all about strength,speed,senses,brains, and instinct.cant hang with the classics! STAN was the MAN! :thumbup:
I'd say whichever character I like better would win.
Wow, that answer is kind of controversial as far as comic book fandom though. Its like that unspoken bias that nobody will admit to. You either deserve a prise or an epic fail ribbon jk
Quote from: herodad1 on April 15, 2009, 03:03:23 PM
the last time i say catman, all the villians were transported to a prison planet and he had his guts ripped out and was eaten alive.theres a new one?dont keep up with comics hardly at all anymore.i always go by the classics anyhow;black panther before he went all batmanish with the pantherang and the panther utility belt.yeah, he was all about strength,speed,senses,brains, and instinct.cant hang with the classics! STAN was the MAN! :thumbup:
Dude that was Hell hound
Oops!sorry about that...i'm a MARVEL! :P
Black Panter, easily.
Better fighter, stronger, more gadgets ... more powerful on every level.
Unless Gail Simone is writing the fight.
What's wrong with Gail Simone? I like Gail's style. Very awesome run on Agent X.
Catman has a rip off of everything Batman had on his utility belt, he even had a catmobile. Black panther had some energy daggers. Whats T'challa gonna do when Catman decides to run him over.
I'd probably go with Black Panther, but Catman rocks in Secret Six. It wouldn't be an easy fight.
Quote from: herodad1 on April 15, 2009, 03:03:23 PM
the last time i say catman, all the villians were transported to a prison planet and he had his guts ripped out and was eaten alive.theres a new one?dont keep up with comics hardly at all anymore.i always go by the classics anyhow;black panther before he went all batmanish with the pantherang and the panther utility belt.yeah, he was all about strength,speed,senses,brains, and instinct.cant hang with the classics! STAN was the MAN! :thumbup:
It sounds like you've had WAYYY too much sugar.
I actually found the "non-gadget" version of Black Panther (or "The Panther" as he was called back then) that joined the Avengers to be really boring, and find him more interesting in the newer stories when I happen to read a story with him in it. But I would also like to add I also love Gail Simone's writing and enjoy Catman in Secret Six. But I don't think he'd beat Black Panther.
alrite lets take this into consideration. In Villain's united Catman is imprisoned and then tortured hourly. He then manages to rip through his leather restraints... with his teeth, and then take down Captain Nazi someone who is stronger than Hourman and Liberty Belle and a better fighter (the current Liberty belle is a martial artist as she use to be Jesse quick who according to the DC encyclopedia had some skill in that area). Catman took him down like that and in a clever way too. The reason I think Blach panther would lose is because even if he did have better gadgets and was a better fighter, he is not nearly a quarter as ruthless as Catman is.
Has anyone not beaten Captain Nazi?
Let's take this into consideration: Catman attacks Deadshot, Deadshot punches him in the nuts, Catman attempts to grab at him again, fight over. Deadshot has moderate, at best, hand-to-hand fighting ability.
Black Panther has always been one of the best.
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I will not willingly defend most of Reginald Hudson's subpar BP runs especially in comparison to the volume before his.
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Black Panther, as said before, is one of the top fighters in Marvel. Not only does he have tons of resources at his disposal, but he's also one of the top minds in Marvel as well. IIRC, he's considered a genius and he has shown time and time again to be very efficient in battle even against people that outrank him. Black Panther is comparative to Batman. Both trained in a variety of fighting styles, both fairly smart, and both can make and invent their own gadgetry. BP has the additional traits of having a strategic and military mind + his suit is armored. Without knowing much about Catman and his arsenal, I think BP would be enough of a challenge that Catman would have to do some serious background checking before taking on the king. ^^
As for ruthless, obviously a few of you have not read his Secret Invasion tie in. You challenge BP and attempt to mess with his home, you just might be killed and used to send a message to the home base. :P
That right there. ^^ What he said.
unless it's he is fighting this version: (by jkcarrier)
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Look at it this way:
Catman has gone through several different phases in his career, going from fairly effective to incompetent to extremely effective. We'll stick with the current, better-than-ever version, to give him as much of a chance as possible. In this version, Catman is an amazing fighter, in peak physical condition, and a very good strategist. However, he has some confidence problems, I'd say.
T'Challa's abilities, on the other hand, have always varried greatly with different writers. Some consider his fighting abilities the equal of Captain America's, other rate them somewhat lower. Some writers consider him to have superhuman strength and speed (from that herb), others don't. Some writers give him lots of gadgets, others prefer to see him using his wits and natural abilities. However, there are several advantages he's consistently given; His stealth and general sneakiness skills are second to none (he successfully tailed Daredevil once, without DD's knowledge, even before he knew about DD's enhanced senses), he's got phenomenal senses, he's a scientific genius and one of the overall smartest characters in the Marvel universe, his strategic and tactical skills, and general resourcefulness, are second to none, he's got a combination of confidence and realism that often gives him an edge in battles, and his physical attributes and fighting and acrobatic skills are always considered high enough for him to give pretty much anyone a good fight, regardless of exactly where a given writer puts them.
Overall, I'd have to give this to the Panther. At most, Catman may possibly be a slightly better hand-to-hand fighter (though I don't actually believe that, personally- I'd put T'Challa at Cap's level), and may equal the Panther in a few other ways- T'Challa still has more than enough edge in terms of sneakiness, intelligence, sensory abilities, and basic willpower to win. Tossing in gadgets doesn't help Catman- even if his gadgets are equal to Batman's (which I doubt, though they may come close), T'Challa actually exceeds Batman as a scientist, engineer, and technologist, and, as king of Wakanda, has even more resources to fall back on than Bruce Wayne- whther he chooses to use them at a given time or not, he has access to far better gadgets than anything Catman could throw at him. For that matter, he could probably use Catman's own gadgets against him pretty effectively.
If we're talking about the most recent version of Catman, it wouldn't be an easy fight, by any means, but I'd definitely give the edge to the Black Panther, and it would, ultimately, be a considerable edge.
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"Nice. This is what I was hoping Secret Invasion proper would be — a war comic. The shaping Skrulls hit a speed bump on the road to universal domination when they try and take over Wakanda, the prosperous and highly-advanced African nation ruled by the Black Panther. Dumb move. Jason Aaron (writer of the Vietnam comic The Other Side) does an incredible job showing why the Black Panther is one of the baddest, and most sorely underused, characters in the Marvel universe, as the Wakandan king and champion proves himself to be a brilliant military strategist, cool under fire and in control in the face of unbelievable odds..."
Yeah. I'm gonna have to go with the guy that can tear a Skrull general's head off. Not to mention the guy that can eat a heart-shaped herb and gain more power by doing so. And did I mention he is a genius with a PhD in Physics? :thumbup:
BTW, lets not forget that Storm was pretty fierce in that book too.
Yes that is a lovely picture and Black Panterh is a hardcase. But Captain Nazi can rip the head off of a skrull to and Catman kicked his arse with no effort.
without the use of any herbs i might add
Quote from: Discoking090 on April 22, 2009, 07:27:08 PM
without the use of any herbs i might add
yeah well i'm sure catman probably uses some other kind of 'herbs' to be running around calling himself catman in the first place. probably catnip. at least have some self-respect and call yourself 'lion man' or 'tiger man'. even 'cheetah man' could work. but 'meow man'? ooh f33r m3 :ph34r:
so the debate boils down to dc fans and marvel fans and their loyalties to their favorite company.what about...HELLBOY v.s. ETRIGAN?
Quote from: herodad1 on April 22, 2009, 10:30:31 PM
so the debate boils down to dc fans and marvel fans and their loyalties to their favorite company.what about...HELLBOY v.s. ETRIGAN?
Of course! The debate of fictional characters always boils down to that - so I just cut right to the chase! :hellspirate
And FYI Hellboy! since Etrigan is DC based.
I mighta said HELLBOY v.s. SPAWN for some baby-mama drama.
Spawn would kick the everloving poop out of Hellboy
I tell you guys, fire up Freedom Force, drop Spawn, Hellboy, Ghost Rider and Ethrigan into Beardeds Halloween map and have them fight it out free for all.
Based on my own hero files Ethrigan would probably win (even though I'm not a fan) although Hellboy is a great fighter with some mystical charms, Spawn can take tons of punishment and do cool stuff and Ghost Rider is extremely tough and a great fighter with a one use penance stare.