Freedom Reborn

So yeah, I've decided to try and put together that sort-of-post-apocalyptic-FF mod I was talking about (http://freedomreborn.net/forums/index.php?topic=49664.msg679054#msg679054), and so far EzScript has proven to be amazingly easy to use (thank you, M25, and Benton for encouring my jobless pursuit of awesome). In about a couple hours I've managed to more or less finish a whole mission, cutscenes and all...just, y'know, without the cool FF variants I wanted. I think I'll try and make 'em, now.  :D

For reference, I'll keep a list of characters I plan to put together while I work on the scripting aspect of this.

Minutemen - Patriotic Supercommandos, maybe some kind of Soldier mesh variant...
Man O' War - Re-skinning to reflect scars of war, loss of his second eye, new keyframes (no more swimming).
Mister Liberty - A more adult, streamlined evolution of the Liberty Lad costume worn by a crazy geezer.
Sea Urchin - Probably the hardest to do. A grown up fish girl, like Namorita but 10000 times tougher-lookin'.
The Ant King - I want to do this like...I dunno, the standard Ant mesh, but huge, and with freakin' mandibles.
Blackjacks - Civilian gun and bat thugs modeling themselves after the old WWII hero.
Tombstone - Undead gunslinger showing some serious decay after thirty years of lying in the dirt.

More when I think of them...

My first attempt begins today, with the new El Diablo!

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(http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/7665/diablo2e.png)

I've not perfected the pants, but the rest is coming together nicely so far. Using a Gryphon base skin.

(http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/7059/diablo.png)

Besides the phoenix and FF tatoos, I wanted to give him more of a soldier-ish feel, so he's got a couple bruises, a chest scar, and an ominous flame-like burn along his entire right arm. Also, the serial number thing seemed cool at the time (fifteen minutes ago?). Changing his eyes to a glowing yellow-orange, I think, reflects the character's change from a womanizing joker to focused, powerful leader figure in a world where all the heroes have faded away.

You might be able to use an Antman mesh for Ant King's mandibles, or if they just symbolic Tommyboys new Blue Beetle mesh has pincers, but those are placed on the back.

Don't know if I can help much, but I am SO STOKED to hear you're doing this! Can't wait!

Regarding Tombstone, you might put him on Texas Jack's Gunwich mesh insted of his own.

I love this idea!  I have always been a fan of Elseworld or What if... stories that deal with apocolyptic futures, they are my favorite stories.  I would suggest considering trying to come up with some second generations, perhaps the offspring of two of the heroes or even a child of one of the villains?  Keep us up to date on this, and if there's anything I can do to help out with skinning some of the characters, let me know!  I would love to be apart of this project!

Great Idea here, Tame. I'm digging the ideas of the Minutemen and the Blackjacks.

Thanks, guys. I've considered using the Gunwitch mesh, but I'm going to try skinning a version on the original, first. As for Ant King, I'm looking at some of tommyboy's Ant Man variations for inspiration. And livewyre, I'd be more than happy to accept help in anything as far as this thing goes, especially someone like yourself with actual skinning ability. I'm not exactly a genius at it (or nifskope, either-- been trying to put Ren's Firebrand mesh bandana-tie thing on a vxmale for like four hours now...).

The second generation thing's a bit tougher to think of good ones at the moment, as I haven't really figured out where everyone is/whether they're alive or not. Right now I'm trying to piece together a Manbot concept, though, so maybe that'll go somewhere if I can figure Alchemiss out.

Manbot - After the fallout destroyed his world, Ted Taylor sealed himself away in a massive steel prison to contain his energies and keep the mutants at bay. Eschewing most of his armor, he works tirelessly to once again access the Celestial Clock and free the Alchemiss to help him save what is left of the world.

Here's a...well, I guess you could call it concept art, but not really:

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(http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/9122/manbotx.png)

Since I would probably take like a year to hand-draw anything resembling what I initially thought up, I decided to instead piece together bits from various meshes in Paint to use as reference for my future character designs. This one's just Bruce Banner from Renegade's Professor Hulk with Manbot's helmet and gauntlets. My idea for Ted was either A. The above 'naked' hero with helm and gloves, rationalized as his inability to control power emissions from those areas just yet, or B. 'naked', maskless Ted with a cracked and rusted chest plate, beard and all a la Iron Man from Marvel's old Earth X miniseries. The second idea's armor doesn't really serve a purpose; it's just the last thing he has left of his old life, and you know, that old chestnut.

Tombstone - Seemingly unable to die, Tombstone has defended the graves of the fallen heroes outside of Patriot City since the cataclysmic war that doomed them all. Decaying but never weakened, he terrorizes any who dare approach his makeshift memorials to the Freedom Forcers who gave their lives to save the world.

Why should Man-Bot even have the suit still on? I can see him getting so freakishly powerful he just becomes this flying purple energy being.

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...with his connection to the Celestial Clock...
...once he gets powerful enough he can go back in time...
...and BECOME ENERGY X.

Is this awesome? Y/N

Great Tame!  I would love to take a stab at an aging, more detatched Mentor and possibly some new take of Law and Order!!!

Quote from: livewyre1014 on March 18, 2009, 02:24:40 AM
Great Tame!  I would love to take a stab at an aging, more detatched Mentor and possibly some new take of Law and Order!!!

OOH. Forgive me for my muse here, but what about something like Captain Marvel/Billy Batson from The Dark Knight Strikes Back? One of them died/got injured horribly/went crazy/evil/whatever and now only one can come through.

Mentor as an alien would be cool. Somebody did a skin of that somewhere.

You have a plot for Microwave at this point? I'd like to see him either a) turning into a central AI program for the resistance's mainframe or b) adapting himself into an almost completely human android. Maybe he was somehow behind the rest of the world being nuked? Say, Nuclear Winter got some evil Microwave clones or something?

I've been wanting a stranger, more alien Mentor, now that you mention it-- remember the cutscene where he's got that huge Dominion head and everything? Maybe as the years piled on, he stopped worrying so much about fitting in with the humans.

As for the Man-Bot armor stuff, it'd be mostly just to keep some piece of his character aesthetic intact, although...

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...the Energy X thing was something I had completely forgot, and seems like an INCREDIBLY awesome way to have this go full-circle. I think it'd be cool to have something like Silhouette in C4's Reformed mod for him: like a helmet and arms surrounded by a moving Energy X cloud, serving as an in-between state where Ted remains partially tied to his humanity before ultimately accepting his fate as the time-paradoxed catalyst of the entire saga by transforming into the purple dude at the end of  :ffvstr:!

EDIT: Missed your second post, Gremlin. The Billy Batson thing would be awesome. Also, my first scripted mission for the mod actually involves El Diablo trying to steal and reactivate Microwave, who's been placed in storage since Liberty's takeoever. He's basically been reverse-engineered to develop much of the tech Patriot City thrives on.

I like the idea of the Law/Order Captain Marvel/Billy Batson parallel.  I think I can do something with that.  Also, Tame, I know that you have your adult Liberty Lad and your MinuteMen malitia...but if you don't mind, I would like to try something for an aged MinuteMan.  I think Frank was such an important character in series I would hate to see him gone.  So, I'll try and have my Mentor and MinuteMan designs...and backstories to email for you within the week. 

That's awesome. Whatever you want to do is fine by me. Reimagining the FF wouldn't be complete without the old man, anywho!

Will they at some point become a group agian? Uniforms? I do and don't like Diablo's design. I think it is a great prisoner/military/fugitive design. I suppose it is just because i am soo use to the costumed version. :lol: I think the energy x manbot idea may have more potential for designs for you. I am not sure how you could go about it though. hmm. What if you did kinda like in  :ffvstr: how he was in both the celestial clock and in patriot city at once. What if you could incorperate that into the design. You know, like the energy x is overcoming his armor so it is like the spidey simbiote  partially covering peter parker. just instead from the outside in the inside out.(and not all stringy like the movie one, more of a liquid/wave/ameba effect shown in the center panel (where the suit hits his neck and face) in the comic pic.) This would show that he is bound at his core to the clock and its duties, though he has finally mastered its abilities well enought to be in both places at once. Even though he would be physically and mentally in pat city, a part of him is bound supernaturally to his duties. Is this making any sense? Great thoughts all around though! Thanks for starting this up, what a great idea!

Quote from: Tame Fisher on March 18, 2009, 02:48:05 AM
I've been wanting a stranger, more alien Mentor, now that you mention it-- remember the cutscene where he's got that huge Dominion head and everything? Maybe as the years piled on, he stopped worrying so much about fitting in with the humans.

As for the Man-Bot armor stuff, it'd be mostly just to keep some piece of his character aesthetic intact, although...

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...the Energy X thing was something I had completely forgot, and seems like an INCREDIBLY awesome way to have this go full-circle. I think it'd be cool to have something like Silhouette in C4's Reformed mod for him: like a helmet and arms surrounded by a moving Energy X cloud, serving as an in-between state where Ted remains partially tied to his humanity before ultimately accepting his fate as the time-paradoxed catalyst of the entire saga by transforming into the purple dude at the end of  :ffvstr:!

EDIT: Missed your second post, Gremlin. The Billy Batson thing would be awesome. Also, my first scripted mission for the mod actually involves El Diablo trying to steal and reactivate Microwave, who's been placed in storage since Liberty's takeoever. He's basically been reverse-engineered to develop much of the tech Patriot City thrives on.

Mentor: Did he stop caring because of apathy? Loss of power? Loss of hope?

Man-Bot:

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I don't think retaining the aesthetic is too important. If he's powerful enough to be mostly Energy X, he wouldn't worry about the suit at all. Unless it had sentimental value, which might be cool. One thing you could do is make him a free-form energy being that goes into the suit when he has to leave his personal bomb shelter. Then you could do something where every seam and orifice of the suit has glowing purple energy X bursting to explode.

Microwave:

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Can you say HACK THAT STUFF? I can totally see Microwave using the remnants of his AI to control the city defenses at one point later on. Also, how did the nuclear apocolypse occur? Did the Microwave robots have anything to do with it? Nuclear Winter?

Minuteman:

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Oooh, how about Nick is keeping him in cryo-stasis (got the tech from Nuclear Winter of course!), so he doesn't lead Patriot City in a revolt? He knows Minuteman wouldn't stand for tyranny in his fair country. But he can't KILL him. He's his idol. Maybe he's pretending he's dead as a taunt to all the heroes? The Patriot City citizens think Minuteman is a saint and a hero and he's paraded around like the corpse of Lenin. Ironic, considering his hatred of communism. But there's a RUMOR that he's still alive! And it turns out he's fine. We wouldn't even necessarily need a new skin.

My idea for Mentor would be that he really had no more desire to help, or even emulate humans after witnessing the horrors they could cause(i.e. nuclear apocolypse), and without the moral heart of the Freedom Force(MinuteMan) the team could no longer exist as it once had.  I spent a few hours last night designing my interprettation of an aged Minuteman, a sort of Kingdom Come Superman concept. 

Quote from: livewyre1014 on March 18, 2009, 01:58:29 PM
My idea for Mentor would be that he really had no more desire to help, or even emulate humans after witnessing the horrors they could cause(i.e. nuclear apocolypse), and without the moral heart of the Freedom Force(MinuteMan) the team could no longer exist as it once had.  I spent a few hours last night designing my interprettation of an aged Minuteman, a sort of Kingdom Come Superman concept. 

... we're waiting.

Quote from: daglob on March 18, 2009, 03:00:29 PM

Quote from: livewyre1014 on March 18, 2009, 01:58:29 PM
My idea for Mentor would be that he really had no more desire to help, or even emulate humans after witnessing the horrors they could cause(i.e. nuclear apocolypse), and without the moral heart of the Freedom Force(MinuteMan) the team could no longer exist as it once had.  I spent a few hours last night designing my interprettation of an aged Minuteman, a sort of Kingdom Come Superman concept. 

... we're waiting.

TOO MUCH PRESSURE!!!  haha, no, as soon as I get home from my real job I'll post what I have.  Didn't mean to keep you in suspense.

Quote from: Gremlin on March 18, 2009, 02:43:51 AM

Quote from: livewyre1014 on March 18, 2009, 02:24:40 AM
Great Tame!  I would love to take a stab at an aging, more detatched Mentor and possibly some new take of Law and Order!!!

OOH. Forgive me for my muse here, but what about something like Captain Marvel/Billy Batson from The Dark Knight Strikes Back? One of them died/got injured horribly/went crazy/evil/whatever and now only one can come through.

Mentor as an alien would be cool. Somebody did a skin of that somewhere.

I did one (he is/was for a mod idea I have)...

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/cmdrkoenig67/mentor_alien.jpg)

Hey, cool stuff going on around here.

Hey, for that ant king... I think Texas Jack or somebody did a human body with ant head and butt mesh. I've got it somewhere. That might be cool...

I will look forward to seeing where this goes. I love making things in the FF universe.

First of all, cmdrkoenig67 I like that alien Mentor skin...mine is a much different interpretation, but your's is amazing!

Secondly, I was going to post my MinuteMan skin, as well as a first draft of my Law/Order skin, but I am currently experiencing some minor computer problems, so the posting of the images will be put off until...well, until I fix my computer issues.  Sorry guys, I promise I'm trying.

Iron Age Freedom Force?

I likes it!

I'm gonna be out of commission for a day or two, but I just converted Tombstone's DDS files to something I can actually reference while I mess with Gunwitch...I'll be back with that.

EDIT: I decided to start work on it before leaving for my family reunion, so here are some pictures:

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(http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/5910/tombstone1.png)

I imagine this is basically just a tattered version of a second, not-yet-seen costume Tombstone changes to some time after the events of the games. When I'm done, it should retain some elements (skull on belt, crossbones, etc), but reflect a more utilitarian hero.

The poncho-like thing on Gunwitch worked perfectly for that, as I can see Tombstone ditching the long, torn-up cape after tripping over it a couple times, and likewise replacing the tights and cowboy boots with something more sensible and low-maintenance.

(http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/1662/tombstone2.png)

Here's a close-up shot of the face. I started with elements of the original Gunwitch skin, but it really didn't serve my purpose as it looked more like an evil ghoul than just a neutral, rotting-face human. So, essentially, I created a new face in like ten layers: one drawing a crude, normal human face with lips and stuff, and the rest just piling on smudges and streaks of reds and yellows until I got a somewhat natural-looking skintone. Layering some blues in gave me this cool veiny effect in some areas, but I'm not sure if it's that noticeable. Let me know what you guys think.

good start. I think tombstone should retain some theatricallity if only to scare the living crap out of people, but it is looking good. :)

Great idea  :thumbup:  I like the What If / What Happened storyline.

One hint I can give on EZScript dialogue creation:  Don't use colons.  It doesn't seem to like them!

For example:

Hero1 says, "I've taken a look at the book, and it reads as follows:  Abandon all hope ye who enter here!"

The colon in the above line will give you problems.  I ended up changing lines like that to:



Hero1 says, "I've taken a look at the book, and it reads as follows - 'Abandon all hope ye who enter here!'"

The dash doesn't give an error

I'm having some trouble cleaning up Tombstone-- the Mentor skin map is just a little confusing to figure out. Anywho, to answer an older question, I do plan on bringing some of the team back together again, and am working on designing an actual costume for El Diablo and the rest. Going back to The Ant, though, I remember reading someone's post about a Texas Jack ant-person mesh...anyone know where I can find that?  :D

EDIT: In the spirit of the base games, I've decided to work on 'bonus' characters that, while not directly tied to my planned story, are related to the team in some way. First on the list? A futuristic, blaster-whipping Blackjack to lead the revolution!

what if mentor was old/unable to walk but his mental powers had increased.put a skin on the professor x mesh when he's in the big floatng chair.it has mental kf's.manbot being an energy being without the armor is a cool idea.maybe iron ox could be all metal or a cyborg like teen titans cyborg.

Quote from: Tame Fisher on March 26, 2009, 11:11:55 PM
I'm having some trouble cleaning up Tombstone-- the Mentor skin map is just a little confusing to figure out. Anywho, to answer an older question, I do plan on bringing some of the team back together again, and am working on designing an actual costume for El Diablo and the rest. Going back to The Ant, though, I remember reading someone's post about a Texas Jack ant-person mesh...anyone know where I can find that?  :D

EDIT: In the spirit of the base games, I've decided to work on 'bonus' characters that, while not directly tied to my planned story, are related to the team in some way. First on the list? A futuristic, blaster-whipping Blackjack to lead the revolution!

OOOH! Me likey the Black Jack Idea! I am liking tombstone by the way, it is just a different look is all. Great work now and to come i am sure! :thumbup:

(http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/5720/blackjackwip.png)

He's coming along okay, I think.

Okay, so I've been away from here for a while. Truth be told I pretty much just took a break from the world and wandered Oregon quoting Emerson while chopping wood. Or something. Anyway, while all my previous work for this idea is locked away in an old PC somewhere, I have been working on something:

(http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/6334/diablo1.png)

Quote from: Tame Fisher on August 01, 2009, 10:47:13 AMTruth be told I pretty much just took a break from the world and wandered Oregon quoting Emerson while chopping wood.

Holy frak that's awesome.

Yes. Trees everywhere.

But onto this. I'm trying to put together a first draft of sorts for my costumed El Diablo. I've changed my visual concept for him from the previous prison-inmate-gangster look to something resembling his original getup. The recent FF article showcasing old concept art kind of inspired me to go back to Diablo's old colors, so here's what I have so far.

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(http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/3662/diablo2t.png)

Using Gryphon's male_cape base on a skope of Gren's AoA Colossus skope of Ren's male muscular tall (phew). I basically just removed the extra armor, though I'd like to throw some big, imposing shoulder pads on the guy at some point, as thevhigh collar look doesn't sit well with me for an older, (slightly) more mature hothead.

(http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/7764/diablo3.png)

My idea of El Diablo in the future is essentially the torchbearer of the original Freedom Force. While Patriot City has come under the totalitarian rule of Nick Craft and his own, fiercely loyal Minutemen, El Diablo attempts to rally average citizens to his cause. I see him as a rather jaded individual, having essentially become senior FF member and eventual leader by default in the wake of Mr. Liberty's betrayal of Minuteman's ideals. His shift from the cheery prankster of old to Patriot City's last champion of freedom is reflected both in his new physical appearance and how he uses his elemental powers; the wild fire-flinger have grown up into a focused fighting machine, a burning brawler with the strength and resolve to carry Frank Stiles' dream into the future, no matter the cost.

Also, I've realized that while my skinning ability isn't so great, I do rather enjoy putting together little teaser images and such using FF characters. I got back into this bronze age FF groove last night and came up with a few such images, starting with this relatively simple thing:

(http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/1549/finalfreedom1.jpg)

I'm working on more of those and some skins today while I wait for my new apartment walls to dry, so this thread's probably going to be a lot more active than it should ever really be.  :D

Theres an El Daiblo i could come to love! I like this costume because it incorperates elements of Minuteman in it. The color scheme and a few othere details, make this a perfect costume for him. It would be a great scene to show somone makeing fun of his suit and then him lighting a fire hydrand on fire just by snapping. Great work and hopefully more to come!

Thanks, doc!

Here's another random image thing based on one of the ideas I have for The Ant.

(http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/3272/finalfreedom3.jpg)


I really want to do something more drastic with his design than just give him some extra legs, so I see this as just a random middle point between normal Ant and full-blown mutated Ant. Eventually I'll figure out what I want to do with him. At the moment I'm working on cleaning up El Diablo and working out a decent costume for grown up Liberty Lad. Speaking of the kiddo...

(http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/8135/finalfreedom2.jpg)

great to see that this project is back on tracks!
i like the "concept-skin" for el diablo a lot, the color scheme is interesting (a little reminescent of minuteman's), but i'd like to see him with the shoulderpad you're talking about

for the Ant King, you should really shamelessy copy the Man-Spider from Spiderman TAS. it's basically what you're trying to do anyway (adding a more insectoide look to him). maybe try skoping the mandible of a regular ant on him, then scale the all character until his head is big enough for the mandible. Maybe add some wings, since the ant queen is the only one to have wings in real life, your Ant King should have his own  ^_^

I would stick with what you've got, i  think turning him entirely ant is a little extreme. I think that if you incorperate the colors of the actual soldier and worker ants into his costume(like more realistic antennas darker purple and black color scheme and animations of him working on the other legs) it would keep his normal look, but enhance his mutated side. Afterall he still has to be recognisable. I think your test shots are great by the way!

Thanks for the comments, guys. I'm considering something Doc Ock-ish for The Ant, now, actually-- just beefing up the legs and focusing on that rather than turning the poor guy into a bug.

But anywho, my first post on FR was in request thread for a Heath Ledger-inspired Joker following the big movie. For those of you who (luckily) missed my first try, have a gander:

(http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/5641/jokerya8.jpg)

Messy, and not really too labor-intensive, but I've stuck with the idea for a while now and am getting pretty close to skinning a face I'm happy with:

(http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/4767/sequence01.png)

I was actually planning to use this guy for a little machinima dealie a while back, so I started over and came up with this. Looks pretty decent from certain angles. I put him on vxmale to work on some teeth, which are kind of poking through his lips a little there. Working on that made me wish there was a set of vx keyframes full of attack anims that were just like, raging fits of laughter. Anyway, I'd appreciate feedback on this one, especially, as I've been tweaking it on and off for about...yikes, more than a year, now.

Whoa. That looks really nice.

Thanks. Just thought I'd show a little of my Nick Craft work so far.

(http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/7416/liberty1q.png)

Still deciding on some design elements for the costume, but I'm feeling something like a Bucky Cap style for the grown up Liberty Lad. This guy is obviously not in his fifties, but I want to try and capture different stages of his change. On Ren's Invincible mesh, he looks wiry enough to resemble Liberty Lad, I think, but his posture and presence thanks to those Super-type keyframes give him this neat arrogant runt look that I think fits well with what I want from the character. It's not too visible here, but Nick Craft is sporting a fresh new scar-- an "L" burned into his face. Wonder who gave him that... :rolleyes:

Very creepy face (joker). For Nick, make his eyes smaller, other than that, looks good so far.

Thanks! Still not sure what direction to go with the costume, though. I wanted to include some more tech-y elements (I made a circuit board-like pattern as a refl file that looked pretty cool in practice), but it looked so busy that adding any of the patriotic bits I'd hoped to would have just cluttered it up. So, while I figure that out, I'll work on some faces.

(http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/6803/generationsll.png)

This is kinda like a timeline of pain-- Liberty Lad, over the years, has become a great big, embittered pile of scars (turning against every other superhero in the world will do that to you). It started with one burned into his face by El Diablo, and finally finished with his costume-wearing days, leaving him immensely disfigured and reluctant to face any of his former teammates face to face.

Everything is looking fantastic!

I think the length of his mouth in relation to his other features should remain consistent. When his lips are pinched like that it doesn't look as much like Nick. The scarring looks very nice, though.

The Heath Ledger Joker face looks pretty close to the movie character. It looks like a lot of work. Awesome job.  :cool:

As far as the suit goes, you might want to go more fundamentally minuteman look with some altercations on it. I like the faces, but something isn't clicking. I think the only thing that is doing it for me, is that all of the faces, there are no solid edges, it looks like hes melting together. I love the design and concept! I just think that you might want to shrarpen the mask and hair. Also, i feel the skin is too pink, it needs more of a pale coloring. This is just my oppinion though. I think this entire project is a great feat, and realize that the creator knows best. :thumbup:

Those faces are really good. Could I suggest just a little contrast on the face, though, to make the shadows more prominent?

Whoa. Kinda poofed off the radar there, huh?

Thanks for the feedback, though, everybody. I was actually working on a few skins, but between work and other random projects I never got around to posting back here. Here's one I made this morning:
(http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/407/offswitch.png)

If you're wondering why it looks a little choppy, it's because I made this on a netbook, and the screen's too small to get a full-body screenshot so I captured pieces of the body on character tool and pasted them together in Paint. I must've spent like three hours making sure that piping on the suit wasn't crooked. Yeesh.

I called this guy Offswitch because the symbol I drew on his head kinda looked like the thing on on/off buttons. Figured it'd be a neat look for a guy who specializes in negating other people's abilities.

The simple design of the costume and the symbol on his head representing his power/namesake looks ok to me but I think the color of his pants is maybe a little too light compared with the rest of his costume.  :unsure:

You're right about the pants, Outcast - I didn't match the colors up too well the first time around. As for the design, I guess it was really just an exercise in making cleaner lines for me. It would look a lot better with a cape or some kind of head accessory...hmm.

Meanwhile, here's one I started a while back on vxmale_nomouth, and recently jumped over to Tomato's DPmask mesh.

(http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/6123/rubberneck.png)

Still messy as it has not yet benefited from my improved line-drawing, but I'll try to wrap this one up soon anyway. I've also scrapped my old Liberty Lad concept so I can start over on the face/costume without trying to cling to that post-apocalyptic setting. I'm thinking maybe these guys can be a part of a newer, inappropriately edgier Freedom Force. Like Youngbloods or X-Statix.

(http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/2119/libertydude.png) 

I have no idea what to call him now.

Hello again.

Just thought I'd post my new version of Offswitch's face.

(http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/9228/offswitchnewface.th.png)

I'm trying to be less lazy with these more recent ones to match up to my adult Liberty guy's mug. I've been redoing my Joker face as well, but I think I'm going to focus on some originals for a while just to see how good I am at actually designing a costume. So far my ideas don't seem too exciting.

I think it's neat that you were able to skin those belts on the neck of Rubberneck? I could also see some texture on his mask. The little creases you made to his bodysuit looks good too. So, so far so good.

The photoskinned face of the other character looks nice and clean too.
The design isnt that bad really. I think his name could go as "Marshall" or something...

Great job on the new face of Offswitch too. :)

Thanks for the feedback. The texture on Rubberneck's mask was actually just a simple "apply canvas" effect which turned out better than I expected. The belts were a little harder to actually get around his neck because I'm terrible at necklines, but the mistakes aren't so noticeable. Front of his costume's crooked, though, so I may just redo his torso all together.

Now that I'm looking at the new Liberty design, he does have a...I dunno, kind of an armored cowboy look to him or something. I shall re-dub him Marshall Lonestar. I tried updating my old, scarred adult Nick Craft today using a face structure that I've basically turned into my default base for all current skins in process. I think he looks a lot less melty now than in the original:

(http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/6733/nickcraft2.png)

Much much better! Great work!

The face looks very good. The details seem just right. It's a pretty good start for your (face) base.  :thumbup:

One suggestion i can think of, is to make the details even more crisp?(less blurry?) The eyebrows seem to need this i think...

Then there's something about the lipline that makes it look a bit uneven. Not sure since the head is a bit tilted.

Just small minor things though. Again overall it looks very good. Good job! :)

cool skins love the faces  :thumbup:

Cool skins & ideas Tame - There are also 4 70's versions of the ff squad that you could skope peices off of - good luck with your Mod :blink:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/hulkgray/hulkgray2/Untitled.jpg)

Here's the mesh Unkoman was talking about :blink:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/hulkgray/hulkgray2/anttttts.jpg)