I just thought I'd announce this here. Apparently Mickey Rourke is going to be in Iron Man 2 as possibly Crimson Dynamo, and there's talks of having him in Spider-Man 4 as the villain:
http://movies.ign.com/articles/961/961622p1.html
Who do you think he'd be in Spider-Man? I'm guessing Kraven, who would be perfect going up against Lizard (like in the game for Spidey 3), but part of me is kind of hoping Scorpion will be in one of these movies, along with a female villain for a change, like Black Cat. Rourke could be a good choice, but he can also be pretty cheesy sometimes.
Also, Fox apparently wants to "reboot" Fantastic Four:
http://movies.ign.com/articles/960/960540p1.html
I thought rebooting the Hulk was unnecessary, but this is kind of overdoing I think.
Hmm. Interesting...I find the FF reboot news better than the Rourke casting. Not too familiar with his stuff, so I'm no judge. But making the Fan4 actually palatable? I would be a fan. Let's see Dr. Doom done RIGHT, hmmmm?
Doom is the only thing they did wrong in the movie. Of course, he was the only interesting character. Fantastic Four doesn't really have much going for it to begin with. They don't fight crime, they're all boring. I want their awesome villains to defeat them and win.
The Absent-Minded Professor, Reed Richards is the smartest guy in the world and invents awesome stuff. His powers aren't even interesting next to that, but he's such a boring guy and he often gets portrayed both in comics and in the movie as a REALLY big jerk.
The Thing is The Hulk, only less interesting. And he talks like one of the 3 stooges sometimes.
The Human Torch has a cool power, and the old one was actually cool, but this one is like an immature jerk celebrity... which we have in real life and they aren't interesting. Johnny and Ben fight all the time. Hilarious, eh? Pies in the face aren't too funny.
Sue Storm is one of the worst comic book character ever. She plays the mother/wife to her crazy dysfunctional family and oh boy do they get into some hi-jynx! She can turn invisible, but since she's not smart or spylike at all, she has to also have force fields that seem to put such a strain on her it's a wonder that Reed doesn't just invent a machine that can do it better. I mean, he invented a PDA that stores everything in it's own universe.
I'm not saying FF can't be done right, but I've never seen it. I mean I think the current run of Captain America is the best thing ever and manages to make characters like Bucky and The Falcon work, so who knows? Either way, DOOM is cool and needs to have his accent.
Quote from: BWPS on March 12, 2009, 06:05:49 AM
Doom is the only thing they did wrong in the movie. Of course, he was the only interesting character. Fantastic Four doesn't really have much going for it to begin with. They don't fight crime, they're all boring. I want their awesome villains to defeat them and win.
The Absent-Minded Professor, Reed Richards is the smartest guy in the world and invents awesome stuff. His powers aren't even interesting next to that, but he's such a boring guy and he often gets portrayed both in comics and in the movie as a REALLY big jerk.
The Thing is The Hulk, only less interesting. And he talks like one of the 3 stooges sometimes.
The Human Torch has a cool power, and the old one was actually cool, but this one is like an immature jerk celebrity... which we have in real life and they aren't interesting. Johnny and Ben fight all the time. Hilarious, eh? Pies in the face aren't too funny.
Sue Storm is one of the worst comic book character ever. She plays the mother/wife to her crazy dysfunctional family and oh boy do they get into some hi-jynx! She can turn invisible, but since she's not smart or spylike at all, she has to also have force fields that seem to put such a strain on her it's a wonder that Reed doesn't just invent a machine that can do it better. I mean, he invented a PDA that stores everything in it's own universe.
I'm not saying FF can't be done right, but I've never seen it. I mean I think the current run of Captain America is the best thing ever and manages to make characters like Bucky and The Falcon work, so who knows? Either way, DOOM is cool and needs to have his accent.
What.
No. Just...no.
The Fantastic Four aren't crime-fighters, they're primarily adventurers. Expecting them to behave like "regular" superheroes is as foolish as reading Batman and expecting happy times and science fiction. It's happened, but it's not the best way to deal with the characters.
I was going to write about how awesome each of these characters are, but I'm tired and can't think right now. But read the Essential Fantastic Four. It'll change the way you see them.
http://www.majorspoilers.com/archives/11923.htm/
Apparently, Rourke will be playing a cross between Whiplash and Crimson Dynamo.
I enjoyed the second FF film, and would have misgivings about a "dark" Fantastic Four. The whole "dark" idea has been taken to the limit in "Watchmen," and, while initially interesting, it works against the basic concept of super heroes. The "darker" you go, the more futile heroism itself becomes, and the more you eliminate the very raison d'etre for your characters' existence.
Anyway, they came within an inch of universal annihilation by Galactus in FF 2. That's dark enough for me.
Well, they cite Iron Man as their example, and I wouldn't consider that too dark really, just more serious.
The Hulk walked a thin line between reboot and sequel, if they do the same with Fantastic Four I might be OK but while I dont love the franchise I think it is the only superhero movie franchise that puts the Fun first. Honestly they should keep it the way it is with the same cast and do some cool Negative Zone or Moleman stuff giving Doom a rest for this one movie.
Mickey would make a great Kraven (have you watched the wrestler?) but his thuggish looks would apply to quite a few spidey villains. I hope Iron Man gets a serious challenge like a huge number of enemy Iron Men or perhaps The Mandarin.
I wouldn't mind an FF reboot. And they could easily go darker while remaining totally faithful to the spirit of the original, just as they did with Iron Man.
First off, the "fun" of the Fan 4 didn't happen until years later. Ditto for the "adventuring". While they were always family, in the beginning what made them great was how they were thrown together - and irritated each other. Ben blamed Reed big time for what happened to him, and was always storming out. Reed was consumed with helping Ben become human again and always failing, adding to Ben's feelings of humiliation of being a Thing. (They got maybe one good scene out of that in FF1 but by FF2, Ben was comfortable with his celebrity.) In the beginning, Ben wouldn't be seen anywhere without his hat, sunglasses and trenchcoat. Also, the "playfulness" between Johnny and Ben wasn't at all playful. Yes, Johnny did the cream pie kind of pranks and the hot foots, but Ben was seriously angered by them ... and stormed off.
And Reed was hardly the boring character they make him out to be. But the need to spend the bucks to make his stretching powers look real. (They need to take a tip from the Incredibles -- which stole all their characters -- and did better jobs with them.) The had him really able to fight with giant mallet-sized fists. Now they've reduced him to slipping his hand under a door to unlock it. how lame.
There are great FF stories still be to told -- including the first Frightful Four with Medusa, which leads directly into Johnny's "first love" story with Crystal, and their forced separation ... or earlier stories where they start off by a wave of destruction, only to have you later learn that these are Skrulls masquerading as them.
But I agree with others who say you don't have to do a complete reboot. Their origin has been told, and many people enjoyed the first film. Now they need to do what the Hulk reboot did.
I'm pretty much okay with them rebooting F4, let's face it, even though those movies were somewhat entertaining, they could and should have been much more.
What is a "cross" between Whiplash and Crimson Dynamo? Dynamo is a pretty cool villain by himself...although, I feel like they should definitely bring in the Mandarin so Iron Man has a villain to fight who isn't another guy in armor.
A really cool FF film would be very simple, and would get BPWS rocks off for an awesome villian.
Simply explore the Negative Zone.
That way you have the boring guy do stuff with his lame arse powers and his noggin, you have Hulk Lite fight Blastaar and Anhillius, you have cool but immature due put the mack on some neg zone chick, and you can have the do nothing chick do nothing, but in an alternate dimension, which is somewhat cool.
Then, to top it off we can have smart guys PDA explode.
The End.
Quoteraison d'etre
This word has gotten awfully popular within the last week :blink:
I've seen it used all over the Watchmen reviews, which leads me to believe some of the stories I've heard about critics just regurgitating others' thoughts. That, and misinterpreting everything about the film. Anyway..
Yeah, a Fantastic 4 reboot wouldn't be a bad idea. They aren't like the other Marvel characters, so the studio's take on the theme of their films wasn't all that far off, but they need to have different actors and a better, more palpable Dr. Doom. Also, as mentioned above, their powers need to be used more effectively.
Quote from: B A D on March 12, 2009, 05:23:16 PM
A really cool FF film would be very simple, and would get BPWS rocks off for an awesome villian.
Simply explore the Negative Zone.
That way you have the boring guy do stuff with his lame arse powers and his noggin, you have Hulk Lite fight Blastaar and Anhillius, you have cool but immature due put the mack on some neg zone chick, and you can have the do nothing chick do nothing, but in an alternate dimension, which is somewhat cool.
Then, to top it off we can have smart guys PDA explode.
The End.
I don't know if I should slap you or applaud you.
Why not both? :D
Because, really, what's a slap but a one handed applaud against the face?
Quote from: Gremlin on March 12, 2009, 07:19:16 PM
Quote from: B A D on March 12, 2009, 05:23:16 PM
A really cool FF film would be very simple, and would get BPWS rocks off for an awesome villian.
Simply explore the Negative Zone.
That way you have the boring guy do stuff with his lame arse powers and his noggin, you have Hulk Lite fight Blastaar and Anhillius, you have cool but immature due put the mack on some neg zone chick, and you can have the do nothing chick do nothing, but in an alternate dimension, which is somewhat cool.
Then, to top it off we can have smart guys PDA explode.
The End.
I don't know if I should slap you or applaud you.
Don't encourage him.
I don't want to see a reboot. FF1 did an adequate job of retelling the origin. Doom was the only element that was off and that was probably more of a casting and scripting issue than any problem with the concept itself. FF2's story was what really "broke" Doom, along with the Surfer, Galactus, and all kinds of other things. Those can be fixed, though.
New cast? No objections. Especially Doom. New writer/director/producer? Heck yes, all of the above.
I say they reboot in the same fashion as Hulk, with no retelling of the origin. Start them off straight away in an adventure, maybe with Doom, maybe with Mole Man or someone else.
Was the second FF movie worth seeing? I saw the first one and it left me so disappointed that I didn't even bother renting the follow-up. I just couldn't take the pointless, tacked-on love triangle, Reed's nerdy incompetence, etc. If the second one was significantly better, maybe I'll check the bargain bin next time I am looking for movies.
I felt the same way about the first movie, Stumpy. But I found the second one refreshing, combining Reed and Sue's wedding with the Silver Surfer saga. It mixed a sense of fun with some classic FF action and a touch of pathos.
It was definitely better, but the whole Surfer/Galactus thing was...less than good. Surfer was cool enough, but that story needed two movies...and an actual Galactus. A cloud does not a villain make. He didn't have to be a 100ft guy in purple, but better than a cloud. What REALLY kills me about it is that Marvel lied to the fans in order to get them to go see the movie. They responded to people's outrage at the fact that the devourer of worlds had been reduced to a cloud by saying something along the lines of 'No, we wouldn't do that! It is something FAR more interesting.' This was, of course, a blatant lie.
My problem with Fantastic Four getting rebooted is that it lets the current studio (Fox?) retain the rights to the property, rather then the rights reverting to Marvel.
Quote from: BentonGrey on March 12, 2009, 11:57:20 PM
It was definitely better, but the whole Surfer/Galactus thing was...less than good. Surfer was cool enough, but that story needed two movies...and an actual Galactus. A cloud does not a villain make. He didn't have to be a 100ft guy in purple, but better than a cloud. What REALLY kills me about it is that Marvel lied to the fans in order to get them to go see the movie. They responded to people's outrage at the fact that the devourer of worlds had been reduced to a cloud by saying something along the lines of 'No, we wouldn't do that! It is something FAR more interesting.' This was, of course, a blatant lie.
But Galactus wasn't the cloud. What we saw was his WorldShip. In fact, you can see the outline of his helmet during the opening credits... well, I guess it's more like his shadow being cast on the surface of a planet. I was under the impression that Big G's look would be revealed in the Silver Surfer spinoff film.
I'm fine with a reboot of FF. I couldn't stay away through FF1 when I watched it on rental and FF2 was not much better....Silver Suffer was a wus. In the FF reboot I hope they don't replace Invisible Woman 9the actress)....she's hot!!!
Quote from: thalaw2 on March 13, 2009, 01:04:27 AM
I'm fine with a reboot of FF. I couldn't stay away through FF1 when I watched it on rental and FF2 was not much better....Silver Suffer was a wus. In the FF reboot I hope they don't replace Invisible Woman 9the actress)....she's hot!!!
Unfortunately she's not much for the actual...you know...acting part of the job.
Hitman, that's all well and good, but all we see in the movie is the cloud, which as far as we can tell, is Galactus. Yeah, I saw the horns of his helmet, but it looked to me more like an Easter egg than anything else.
Well they've just cast Black Widow.
Spoiler
Scarlet Johannsen
Not sure she's a good choice, but I didn't think Heath was a good fit for the Joker nor Jackie Earle a good fit for Rorschach, and boy did they prove me wrong.
Maybe she'll do the same.
For an Avengers movie?
Not in Avengers
http://movies.yahoo.com/news/movies.eonline.com/103998- (http://movies.yahoo.com/news/movies.eonline.com/103998-)
Ahh, of course. The character will have an interesting interaction with Tony Stark, I imagine. I'm still not happy with them combining characters for the villain. That's never a good idea.
I actually liked the Fantastic Four films, even though they were delightfully dumb. But that's why I liked them. They weren't trying to be anything more than just a fun, action, family-esque movie. Yeah, they're definitely one of the weakest in the Marvel movies, but I still thought they were much better than Elektra and Ghost Rider. And I thought the sequel with Silver Surfer was much better paced and characterized than the first one, except for Dr. Doom, who is just cheesy comic-book villain for the sake of being a cheesy comic-book villain.
I think the reboot thing is getting carried away because of Batman's success. But Batman desperately needed it, and the franchise was on hiatus for quite a while. Both Hulk and Fantastic Four just came out a few years ago. Hulk was a little more understandable, but I still thought the first one was just fine. Fantastic Four being rebooted strikes me much more oddly though, because Fox thought the first one was successful enough to bring on a sequel. And now, all of a sudden, they're not good enough, and they need something darker and more serious. Because you know, everything has to be The Dark Knight now. Ugh. If they can pull off a better version, I'm all for it, but it's most likely just going to confuse the hell out of people because the first movies JUST came out.
i liked the ff movies but i hated them changing doom.i'd rather him get his power from his armor than a cosmic accident.
Yes, Doom was TERRIBLE. They didn't understand or respect the character at all. Even his voice was totally wrong for the part.
QuoteIf they can pull off a better version, I'm all for it, but it's most likely just going to confuse the hell out of people because the first movies JUST came out.
But the success of the new Hulk movie proves that people can just ignore an earlier version, even if it was very recent.
At any rate, I was happy with the Hulk reboot, but I'm not sure it's necessary with the Fan 4. The 2nd movie did fix a lot of the problems I had with the first one, and if they leave Doom out of a future one, it could be quite good.
Keep the FF cast. Just replace Doom.
I'm not personally a huge fan of the rest of the cast either, with the exception of the Thing. That actor just about nailed the character, IMO. Of course, he's the only one who was actually a fan of the comics even before being in the movie, so that only makes sense that he'd get it.
Wow, I wish I was more sober right now, so I could talk about this more clearly.
Instead I'll blurt out whatever comes to mind. Ah ha!
Fantastic Four... as a group? They are awesome. Who doesn't think they are awesome? Are you a fool? The made "superheroes" into regular folks. A bunch of (fairly) normal people get amazing powers? And then they decide to adventure and explore. Also, anybody who thinks Mr. Fantastic has lame powers is fooling themselves. Being able to stretch is friggin' awesome. Listen, here's what I thought about FF1. That movie had the characters essentially down, but... the writing was horrible and the plot was horrible. Oh, and of course, Dr. Doom was pretty horrible. Reed, Johnny & Ben all had decent actors though. Seriously, Horatio Hornblower? Way sweet. I think the problem was the material they had to work with. FF2? Well, let's not go there. At least Silver Surfer LOOKED sweet. They need to be able to treat these characters like real people. I don't want Fantastic Four to get "darker." They aren't dark. They are just normal people dealing with what life has put before them. They've been granted incredible powers that they don't really want, but have decided that all they can do now is incredible things. So they do that.
There was actually a very moving comic... I believe it was put out on one of those free comic days... It explains that Reed Richards was terribly regretful for turning them all into "freaks," so he decided the only thing to do was make them incredibly famous and having them go on daring adventures so they wouldn't all fall into a hopeless spiral of self pity and despair. I think this is perfect. This, and all those Franklin Richards shorts where he's hanging out with HERBIE and causing trouble.
I also think if they do a new movie they should forget the origin. Everybody knows it anyhow. It isn't important. Just start them off as the world famous Fantastic Four. Have Reed discover the Negative Zone and have them fight Annihilus for the first time. Rip off most of the plot from actual comics and have dialogue written by people who know what they are doing. Don't make Reed the world's dumbest smart guy, but do have him be unintentionally cold sometimes. Yes, he feels, but he burries his emotions. He doesn't want people to know he's vulnerable. Thing, on the other hand, wears his heart on his sleave. He's constantly tormented. But if he's got Alicia, he'll be a bit less so. Johnny, while being flamboyant and showy still should deeply care about his family. And Sue... Sue's the glue. She holds them together.
Just don't have it anything like this parody I did: http://sjhftac.comicgenesis.com/fantasticfour/01.html
Like I said, though, I am drunk and just blah blahing. So take whatever I say with a grain of salt.
Unko, this is why you're my favorite.
Whoa, i totally said negative zone first.
Unko, you really need to keep doing that F4 web comic!
Alright, in order to keep the idea that the last two F4 movies weren't the worst,(forgive me for this by the way) i'm linking you to this...
Part One: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omKd_bUQlXo
Part Two: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjPOr3l69K4
Part Three: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vT7SHWyH_JY
Part Four: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmdblGvsfKk
Part Five: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqdYqhHELEg
Part Six: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVfu89g7AiE
Part Seven: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDY5QeDxObo
Part Eight: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vE3UcNUacf8
Part Nine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gF9okgD44w8
(Dodges tomatoes and cabbage for wasting peoples time)
Amd if you didn't know about this, or just want to know more:
Wikipedia The Fantistic Four (film) page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fantastic_Four_(film))
(Dodges even more tomatoes and cabbage!)
[edit: tweaked broken URL - stumpy]
Well, keep in mind that that particular film was made specifically so that another company (the one that eventually made the two films) would pay them not to release it. That and they had to make a film so they could keep, and then sell, the rights to it.
Of course the rights would be worthless with a badly done FF4 film recently released, so they could get the company to pay them for the privilege of not having to worry about this. The fee was more than the cost of making the film, so the movie made a profit without ever being released.
Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on March 13, 2009, 04:14:17 PM
QuoteIf they can pull off a better version, I'm all for it, but it's most likely just going to confuse the hell out of people because the first movies JUST came out.
But the success of the new Hulk movie proves that people can just ignore an earlier version, even if it was very recent.
At any rate, I was happy with the Hulk reboot, but I'm not sure it's necessary with the Fan 4. The 2nd movie did fix a lot of the problems I had with the first one, and if they leave Doom out of a future one, it could be quite good.
Was the reboot as successful as they thought it would be? Just going by personal experience, a lot of people I talked to in person referred to this movie as "Hulk 2" and were actually surprised to find out the truth from me. I know that doesn't speak for everybody, or even the general public, but I'm willing to bet that a lot of people didn't bother to see the Hulk reboot because they thought it was a sequel to a movie they didn't like, or were confused as to what it really was.
I feel like with Fantastic 4 it would be even more confusing since there has already been a sequel released. I'm not saying it wouldn't work (because I think, for the most part, it worked with the Hulk) but I think since there has been two movies released, a lot more people are going to wonder why there's already a reboot going on.
Furthermore, I think Daredevil deserves a reboot more than Fantastic 4, which is what Fox was considering first. At least that movie came out quite a while ago.
QuoteWas the reboot as successful as they thought it would be?
More so. It surprised the experts, who didn't expect it to do very well because of the reputation of the previous movie, but it did quite well and got a lot of business. The opening week numbers were lesser than the earlier one, but it picked up steam over time as word of mouth got out about it. The experts commented that this proved the audiences are willing to forget about recent versions of the same character. I was just paraphrasing that analysis earlier.
Quote from: docdelorean88 on March 14, 2009, 01:38:03 PM
Alright, in order to keep the idea that the last two F4 movies weren't the worst,(forgive me for this by the way) i'm linking you to this...
It's really saying something that THIS Dr. Doom is more interesting than the other movie version.
QuoteFurthermore, I think Daredevil deserves a reboot more than Fantastic 4, which is what Fox was considering first. At least that movie came out quite a while ago.
I agree with you there. I thought Bullseye was terrific and even Kingpin was well acted, even if not quite like the comic version in a few ways.
Unfortunately, neither hero was particular interesting, and I was more inclined to root for Bullseye than Daredevil.
Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on March 15, 2009, 05:57:06 AM
QuoteFurthermore, I think Daredevil deserves a reboot more than Fantastic 4, which is what Fox was considering first. At least that movie came out quite a while ago.
I agree with you there. I thought Bullseye was terrific and even Kingpin was well acted, even if not quite like the comic version in a few ways.
Unfortunately, neither hero was particular interesting, and I was more inclined to root for Bullseye than Daredevil.
In retrospect, Ben Affleck was a poor choice for Matt Murdock/Daredevil. He's just one of those actors that, due to their celebrity, can either make or break a film based on where he is on the pop culture "hot or not" standings. IIRC, the world was suffering from Bennifer oversaturation at the time the film was released (oh god, did I just type "Bennifer"?).
I actually enjoyed Daredevil quite a bit. It's not my favorite comic book movie, not by a long shot, but like Hulk in 2003, I think Daredevil is unjustly bashed. There are actually some really shining moments in the movie, particularly the moments with his father. Ben Affleck would have been a better choice if he didn't become such a celebrity at the time. As for the characters, the villains and Elektra were what brought the movie down for me. They were just so cheesy and one-dimensional, reminding me of the terrible Batman sequels.
The director of that movie (forgot his name) also did Ghost Rider, which took every bad part of Daredevil and made it an entire movie. At least that had Eva Mendes though. Oh, and I heard they were working on a sequel to Ghost Rider as well, with Nicolas Cage attached. Does this mean 3 years after that movie is released, they'll do another reboot? :rolleyes:
Quote from: TheMarvell on March 15, 2009, 07:18:42 AMThe director of that movie (forgot his name) also did Ghost Rider
Can't remember his name either, but I'm pretty sure he was the guy who wrote
Grumpy Old Men (which was actually a pretty good comedy).
I thought
Ghost Rider was a decent special-effects movie (and it's true, they CGI'd his receding hairline and his abs at his request), but Nicolas Cage has been unbelievably horrible in just about every film he's been in this decade (the last performance I enjoyed from him was in 1996's
Leaving Las Vegas). It's like he's not even trying anymore (I guess that comes with winning a best actor Oscar relatively early in his career).
I liked Daredevil too. And the movie is improved in the director's cut, with Matt using his lie-detecting super senses to dramatic advantage in court.
Quote from: zuludelta on March 15, 2009, 07:58:20 AM
but Nicolas Cage has been unbelievably horrible in just about every film he's been in this decade (the last performance I enjoyed from him was in 1996's Leaving Las Vegas). It's like he's not even trying anymore (I guess that comes with winning a best actor Oscar relatively early in his career).
Actually I really liked Adaptation and Lord of War....
I think I'm the only person who liked Julian McMahon as Doom ... I just thought the character he was asked to play was all wrong. He should have been Eastern European, shouldn't have had "metal" super-powers, had more of an intellectual rivarly with Reed Richards, etc.
The Fantastic Four cast sucked, aside from the guy who played Johnny Storm, and the effects, particularly for Mr Fantastic and The Thing, plain sucked.
The Silver Surfer was admittedly well executed, he just happened to be in a bad film.
The pacing of the films was also terrible.
Quote from: Jakew on March 16, 2009, 12:35:00 AM
I think I'm the only person who liked Julian McMahon as Doom ... I just thought the character he was asked to play was all wrong. He should have been Eastern European, shouldn't have had "metal" super-powers, had more of an intellectual rivarly with Reed Richards, etc.
The Fantastic Four cast sucked, aside from the guy who played Johnny Storm, and the effects, particularly for Mr Fantastic and The Thing, plain sucked.
The Silver Surfer was admittedly well executed, he just happened to be in a bad film.
The pacing of the films was also terrible.
I liked Julian McMahon as Doom as well. I found him and Johnny the most entertaining. :thumbup:
Quotebut Nicolas Cage has been unbelievably horrible in just about every film he's been in this decade
I liked the National Treasure movies and thought he was pretty decent in them.
That's about it though.
Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on March 16, 2009, 01:04:32 AM
Quotebut Nicolas Cage has been unbelievably horrible in just about every film he's been in this decade
I liked the National Treasure movies and thought he was pretty decent in them.
That's about it though.
Ohh Cat...and here I was thinking you had good taste....
Quote from: BentonGrey on March 16, 2009, 02:05:56 AM
Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on March 16, 2009, 01:04:32 AM
Quotebut Nicolas Cage has been unbelievably horrible in just about every film he's been in this decade
I liked the National Treasure movies and thought he was pretty decent in them.
That's about it though.
Ohh Cat...and here I was thinking you had good taste....
Ooohhhh...
Thems fightin' words..
QuoteOhh Cat...and here I was thinking you had good taste....
Don't make me take into Randy's forums for a good slapping. I'd slap you so silly, your children would be born giggling.
Haha, seriously, how can you like a movie that, within the first five minutes, utters the words "he's going to steal the Declaration of Independence!" It wasn't a bad concept...but the writing...the acting...ohhh the pain!
Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on March 16, 2009, 02:29:29 AM
QuoteOhh Cat...and here I was thinking you had good taste....
Don't make me take into Randy's forums for a good slapping. I'd slap you so silly, your children would be born giggling.
I'm Backikng you on this! These are great movies. One is better than two. Benton, I've managed to put the whole aqua dork... I mean, man, aqua man... Oh, (como se dece "aquard") but this is strike two dude! I've got a delorean time machine and i know how to use it! :lol:
Oh, snap, you did NOT just bring Aquaman into this. He's gonna smack you one, son... :P
*Smacks one....son*
If you're having aqua problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 problems but a fish ain't one...
EDIT: Sorry, on track. Yes ¬_¬
Nicholas Cage isn't a terrible actor as such, but he really hasn't tried as much as he could. Lord of War is a spectacular film, and its title sequence alone should win an award...
In regards to Fantastic Four...am I possibly the only one that liked the characterisations but hated the plot? Julian McMahon is a definite match for Doom, but he was very much given a bad backstory, and he played the character as it was given. I don't think the series really needs a reboot...especially not when theres so many other, better titles that could be made into films.
Quote from: The Hitman on March 13, 2009, 12:25:00 AM
But Galactus wasn't the cloud.
But the INTERNET said he was a cloud, and the internet is a lot of peoples source of opinion.
Going back to Doom I agree that he was poorly done, like somebody picked up the comic and said "Man, that's a lot of work, let's just wing it".
Scarlett Johanson is one of those choices that sounds great to me, just like the Joker and Rorschach choices did.
Lugaru, did you see the movie? I mean, just watching the movie, how would you assume he was anything OTHER than the cloud? There is no reference made to a ship, no glimpse of a being WITHIN the cloud (except for that one frame of a shadow on a planet), and when the Surfer attacks the cloud, he is assumed to be battling Galactus.
So I was wrong. Not the first time, not the last time. Give it a rest.
Yeah, that came off really Trollish, sorry, I just spent some time on a fanatical forum where everyone says the exact same thing at penalty of death and was feeling annoyed over stuff a bunch of other people said.
Quote from: The Hitman on March 16, 2009, 04:29:04 PM
So I was wrong. Not the first time, not the last time. Give it a rest.
Hitman, that wasn't aimed at you. My post was in response to what Lugaru said, which he has just explained. No hard feelings guys. If my post came across as unduly adamant, I too am sorry. It was not my intention, and I was curious as much as anything else to figure out how people were coming to that conclusion.
No worries, I've just had a lot on my mind, and it spilled int "Internet- Land." Sorry about the previous post.
Cool, all is well then. Yeah, Doom was, in my opinion, the very WORST part of those films. Yeah, that fellow may be an alright actor, but their characterization was just plain terrible. It was SOMEWHAT better in the second one, but still not great. Doom without an accent? That's just wrong.
Exactly, I'm a huge NIP/TUCK fan so I was mildly thrilled to see him cast, but the doom he was cast as is just not that interesting.
FF reboot? I don't know about that...
Both movies were fun. Not the best stuff I've ever seen, but they did try to bring fun into the superhero genre. On the positives, I think Chris Evans nailed Johnny, and Chiklis did a good Ben. Gruffudd was an OK Reed, I guess (I didn't care that much about his portrayal, but it didn't disgust me - got a lukewarm feeling about it).
The first thing I actually hate about the movies was Jessica Alba. Yeah, she's hot. But she doesn't look like Sue at all. When you got to dye your hair and use contact lenses (and I'm not mentioning the fact that Alba has some latina facial features that Sue absolutely doesn't have), something is wrong. Especially when Alba isn't that good acting-wise, to justify the move. The same goes with Kirsten Dunst as MJ. I'm not that nitpicky regarding this issue, but the characters have to be somewhat similar. Other actresses that were considered for the role could have done a better job, both acting and looks-wise: Ali Larter, Elizabeth Banks, even Scarlett Johansson or Rachel McAdams.
And Sue is probably the most interesting character of the four. You got the brain, the lovable tough guy and the funny man. Sue was originally the girl, but evolved into the cornerstone of the team. Jessica was too bland for my tastes, I never believed this was the tough woman the comics portray.
Doom is the other problem. It has more to do with the script. But Julian McMahon helped to make matters worse with his nonchalant, sarcastic attitude, like he doesn't care much about anything. That portrayal is probably acceptable considering the way Victor was written, but just doesn't cut it for people that are familiar with the character. It's as if he's another villain entirely.
It looks like early news regarding Spider-Man 4 & 5 being filmed back to back is now reported as being false, from Sam Raimi himself:
http://www.superherohype.com/news/spider-mannews.php?id=8167
http://screenrant.com/exclusive-kiefer-sutherland-talks-fantastic-four-rob-75884/ What do you guys think about this?
If he's CG, I vote for John DiMaggio x infinity. I don't know what kind of shape he's in atm (said he weighed 270 the other day I think) but whatever, he can play the human part too. He would do such a perfect voice for The Thing, totally unnecessary to use a big name actor for a voice actor's role.
I see Necroposting!!! :doh:
Although while we're on the subject...
It would have been kinda cool to see Anne Hathaway play both Felicia Hardy and Selina Kyle within a three-year window.
Not only is it a necropost, but it sites an article posted two years ago.
QuotePlaying Johnny Storm (Human Torch) could be Kevin Pennington who Fox also almost had play a part in First Class after an impressive reading but he'll instead be seen in the comedy Horrible Bosses next year (currently shooting).
Horrible Bosses was released in 2011. And then there's this:
QuoteThe tentative plan is for Fantastic Four to being production next year for a Summer 2012 release.
I was reading through this thing thinking that Michael Chiklis has the perfect voice to play Ben Grimm. He has that inborn New York sound. Then I continued reading and starting thinking, "Wait a minute..."
For what it's worth, I like Kiefer Sutherland, but I don't see him voicing the Thing.