Freedom Reborn

If there was a thread for this, I sure as heck can't find it.

Anyways, just thought youalls would be interested in this:

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This is supposed to be Deadpool. Can't tell from the pic, but his mouth is stitched up as well.

Apparently, the main plot of the film is that Deadpool is turned into a mindless killing machine (complete with Wolverine- ish blades popping from his arms), and Wolvie and Sabretooth have to hunt him down. That's what the back of the package said.

And to think I had at least a tiny bit of hope for this movie.

Because regular swords are just lame! And don't get me started on how stupid a masked character in a superhero movie would've been! Ryan Reynolds is WAY too cute to wear a mask!

Hmm... that does not sound like the deadpool I enjoy reading...

Aww man...

Well......once again, the trailers lie.  I just hope that isn't true. :banghead:

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Sorry, best comment I could come up with on short notice.  

I hope that's not true as well.  It'll be too bad if this sucks.

<furrows brow, shrugs shoulders>

I'll probably still watch it, though. I get the impression from the trailers that it's going to be one of those mindlessly entertaining special-effects and stunt-heavy movies. I'm fairly easy to please when it comes to superhero films... a well-done CG Silver Surfer and Jessica Alba in a tight jumpsuit were enough to make me forgive the accumulated faults of Fantastic Four 2  :lol:.

Yeah, for me the Fantastic Four series is an anomaly. A lot of people dont like those movies but I think it is the one fun comic movie in a sea of tragedy and drama. And yeah, even if they butcher deadpool (not literally) I'll still watch it because my G.F. seems really interested. And I'm a huge fan of the original Barry Windsor Smith weapon X story, so even if this movie only has fumes of that series I'll still enjoy it. 

...wat. :huh:

the newest trailer reveals that a teenage Cyclops is featured in the movie, and they apparently copy several mutant abilities, including Cyclops', and put them into Deadpool for some reason. Hugh Jackman is also on record for saying they "had to take liberties with the character" which basically means they completely changed him for the movie. Jackman said he thinks most fans will understand why and might even like it, but he knows there's always going to be haters too.

Sorry, I don't have the article I read that, but I think I found it on the IMDB boards a couple weeks ago.

I don't know. I want to see this movie based on the fact that I like X-Men alone, but the film itself doesn't look that good. In fact, it kind of reminds me of one of the weaker Marvel movies, like Daredevil (which I liked) or Elektra (blech!)

Ohhhhhhhhh...

People that have been clamoring for Deadpool are going to despise this.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that makes my mind up about this movie.  I'm not going to see it.  When they just decide to do whatever the heck they want and throw the source material out the window...well, that's fine, but then make your own dang movie and don't license something you're not going to use.

I can't see any reason that this is actually necessary.  The story that I had extrapolated from the previews would have worked just fine.

I've done some digging of my own and pretty much come to this conculsion:

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The production crew have stated they are going to change Deadpool's origin so that it is a major part of the storyline. However by releasing that action figure as Deadpool instead of Weapon XI (after being revamped by the program) has confused a lot of fans.. not to mension ticking them off and giving them flashbacks to X-Men 3. Wade Wilson first appears in the film as the character we know and love (without the costume however) and interviews with Ryan Reynolds have indicated that he wants to spin off Deadpool and that fans will get the character from the comics as long as he is doing the character. Maybe all of those rewrites toward the end of the filming forced a merger of two characters just so that the audience feels for Wade being turned against his former teammates.

My conclusion is that Wade Wilson is remade into a Mimic-like supermutant with genetic material from various mutants.. He is called Weapon XI by the company but is nicknamed Deadpool because of the gambling going on that their latest project will be a success. Deadpool ends up in a life or death situation (the final fight in rumored to be at a nuke reactor site) where he is horrible mangled and then regenerates back into plain old Wade near the end of the movie but disfigured, cancer ridden from exposure, and quite insane. Sure it's not the same origin from Marvel but we never knew what horrible tourture was done to Wade as he was experimented upon before they ended up giving up on him.

- CQ

Nope, not the same origin but if the changes are temporary and it turns Deadpool into the one we like then that's not the worse change made for a movie.

That... I can believe. Hope you're right, Crim.

Bah.  If they wanted Mimic, they should have darn well used Mimic.

So ... anyone else seen the leaked film, besides me?  :unsure:

I'm a movie purest.
Any film like that I am interested in seeing, I refuse to watch for the first time on anything but the big screen (even if its crap). I just don't see the point of watching a bootleg on TV for a first viewing. Defeats the whole movie experience for me.

I can wait a month...

Especially when the film is supposedly unfinished (FX, score, etc.).  I can wait a month.

Quote from: Talavar on April 02, 2009, 05:15:14 AM
Especially when the film is supposedly unfinished (FX, score, etc.).  I can wait a month.

Meh, it's not as unfinished as you'd think..

There are MAJOR spoilers below:

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Can Deadpool (which he's IS called in the film because he successfully "pools" the mutants' powers together without his cells fighting the genetic material), regenerate from being decapitated? Hopefully.. Stryker was literally controlling him from a computer to fight Wolverine and Sabretooth. Gambit was a big letdown, and the dialog was pretty bad. FX aren't really going to save this movie I don't think..

*whistles away*

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If DP's head can find his body in time, yes...of course comic DP is also cursed with immortality that may or may not still be in effect.

It was missing a couple of CG effects, a bit of music, and around ten minutes of scenes which may be reinserted into the film.

Kinda glad I saved the money, to be honest ... not a great film, as a "Wolverine movie" or even just as an action film  :thumbdown: It's more of prequel to X-Men 3, if anything.

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What was up with Deadpool turning into a clone of Baraka from Mortal Kombat, with the powers of Mimic? That was craaaaaaaaaap!

Also, doesn't this film cause glaring continuity issues with Bryan Singer's X-Men films?

Quote from: Jakew on April 03, 2009, 08:39:49 AM
It was missing a couple of CG effects, a bit of music, and around ten minutes of scenes which may be reinserted into the film.

Kinda glad I saved the money, to be honest ... not a great film, as a "Wolverine movie" or even just as an action film  :thumbdown: It's more of prequel to X-Men 3, if anything.

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What was up with Deadpool turning into a clone of Baraka from Mortal Kombat, with the powers of Mimic? That was craaaaaaaaaap!

Also, doesn't this film cause glaring continuity issues with Bryan Singer's X-Men films?

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Not as much as you'd think. When Cyclops showed up I had reservations, but the whole time he was blindfolded. The only one who would have really known about Wolverine's involvement was Professor X. Since they already hinted he knew more about Weapon X in X2 than he let on initially, I was happy to see that nugget resolved.

Honestly... I'm ok with it. Yeah, Gambit was blah, and the Mimic-Deadpool was rediculous... but I did feel like they laid the groundwork for the Deadpool we know to evolve in another movie. And that, like it or not, is the point of this movie: not to be great on it's own, but to lay the groundwork for a better movie later. And if that's what it takes to avoid another X3... I wholeheartedly support it.

sounds as bad as i feared, seriously fox wake up and sack tim rothman.

Seems the leak has brought in FBI attention.

Quote from: http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/and-it-makes-you-age-20-years-overnight"Last night, a stolen, incomplete and early version of X-Men Origins: Wolverine was posted illegally on a website. It was without many effects, had missing and unedited scenes and temporary sound and music. We immediately contacted the appropriate legal authorities and had it removed. We forensically mark our content so we can identify sources that make it available or download it. The source of the initial leak and any subsequent postings will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law – the courts have handed down significant criminal sentences for such acts in the past. The FBI and the MPAA also are actively investigating this crime. We are encouraged by the support of fansites condemning this illegal posting and pointing out that such theft undermines the enormous efforts of the filmmakers and actors, and above all, hurts the fans of the film."

More at the link, but it's really not worth reading. It should be noted that this "leak" was downloaded quite a lot, so Wolverine might not be the blockbuster Fox wanted it to be.

Well, from what I'm hearing, it doesn't really deserve to be.

There was a big thing about how the FBI siezed all the computers at a datacenter in Texas over this, then it came out that it was because of something else...

Then a Fox News Columnist ran a review of the Leaked film and openly said how easy it was to download and that maybe he'd just download some other movies rather than go to the hassle of going out to the theater...

Then it was said that he was let go from Fox news for the comment after there was a bunch of backlash from movie sites going "Whaaa???"

Personally I agree with a couple of opinions Ive seen online that said a lot of these stories coming out about all of this is damage control from Fox. They now Have the ultimate excuse for the film not doing well at the box office (regardless how well it does). "Wolverine ___________ed because of those damn evil pirates on the interweb!"

I don't know if this is some scheme on Fox's part (I know several people on the internet have suggested that Fox leaked the movie out purposely) but personally I don't condone downloading a unfinished movie. Movies like X-Men these days are so heavily special effects oriented that watching it without the special effects, you could say, isn't watching the film at all. I wouldn't be interested in watching it this way. And it was pretty bad form for a columnist associated with Fox to review the pirated version of the movie, then talk about how preferable downloading movies is to seeing them in the theater.

Something I'm curious about, and anyone who knows more about this topic feel free to chime in, but do people who worked on the movie actually lose money if the movie tanks as a result? Who sees a cut of that revenue? I'm a bit disappointed to say I don't really have a good idea how that works.

I don't think so because if they did Fox might actually try and make a good movie. However if a movie really tanks I'm sure some people get fired, actors lose credibility, and a lot of money is lost, but for a movie with Wolverine in it, Fox would most likely break even at least; well before the movie leaked.

I'd assume that Hugh Jackman's production company, Seed Productions, would lose some cash, since Wolverine: Origins was their project.  :(

Meh, I guess my thing is that this isn't the type of movie I feel should be boycotted. It's not great, by any means (and there are some scenes that are just bizzare) but I've seen enough horrific of bad movies recently to realize this doesn't fall into that sphere. Despite having seen the pre-finalized version, I'm still more than happy to go watch the finished product.

X-Men Origins: Wolverine Will Have Multiple Secret Endings!

http://www.firstshowing.net/2009/04/24/x-men-origins-wolverine-will-have-multiple-secret-endings/

Quote from: JeyNyce on April 26, 2009, 01:18:13 PM
X-Men Origins: Wolverine Will Have Multiple Secret Endings!

http://www.firstshowing.net/2009/04/24/x-men-origins-wolverine-will-have-multiple-secret-endings/

WTF? I'm not going to watch this more than once. And on DVD it's a total hassle to watch alternate endings, it breaks up the movie and its like, w/e.

What if I have bad luck and see one of the less cool endings when I go to theaters? That's like when you play an old adventure game and you forget to do something so they have an alternate ending that sucks. I don't like that.

Wow, this reeks of desperation.

So... in one theater --- if we stay till the end, Tim Curry Shoots Hugh Jackman?  Wolverine isn't Clue.  Although Hugh Jackman is Tim Curry levels of camp considering the Boy From Oz.  ;)  Multiple endings were a great gimmick for a movie like Clue (as frustrating as it was until the finalized version hit cable and tv).  But multiple secret endings for Wolverine?

This is pretty much damage control and desperation to get people to see the movie.  The claim that the leak was an old unfinished print missing 20 minutes has been pretty much called out as baloney.  A handful of reviews have come in and well they said yes music and FX were added... no additional scenes were.

I may be a comic book geek, but there has been plenty of comic flicks I haven't seen Fantastic Four 1&2, spider-man 3, either Punisher... I wish I could say Ghost Rider too --- but it had Nicolas Cage and the gf just simply does not miss a Nic Cage flick.  Some movies just don't interest me and some people who have tastes close to mine have pretty much passed word to me to stay away from others.  This is another one of those movies.

I have seen the leaked film and while not crap --- its certainly was not good enough for me to see again.  There are a few nice surprises, but also some huge holes in the plot and well, just a mess altogether.  Sadly, the positive to me just wasn't enough to make up for the negative.  I look forward to the summer movie season... some movies just have to be seen on the large silver... better yet... IMAX!.  To me, this isn't one of 'em.

My friend Sue who saw the leaked flick too, loved it --- but all she knows of Wolverine and the characters is from the previous movies.  Guess that goes to show, ignorance is bliss.  I'd say sometimes that's the best way to enter these movies.  Considering the mess of Wolverines past & history, this may be appropriate.  I'll keep my Wolverine comic need for a history rant for another time.  :P  Movies like IronMan and Dark Knight show that you can make a good movie to please both fans and unknowing filmgoers.

I wasn't going to see the movie before.  Watched the leak, still wasn't interested enough to see the movie and even with multiple surprise endings still not going to see the movie.

ohh for the love of god this can't be true

can we get a film version where dead pool isn't ruined and logans memory loss isn't cause by some stupid plot device

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striker shoots him with an adamantium bullet

Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on April 26, 2009, 06:55:40 PM
ohh for the love of god this can't be true

can we get a film version where dead pool isn't ruined and logans memory loss isn't cause by some stupid plot device

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striker shoots him with an adamantium bullet

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Can adamantium even go through adamantium? I could have sworn that Deathstrike and Wolverine were blocking one another's strikes with their claws..

How would an adamantium bullet go through an adamantium skeleton? Pretty dumb. I wasn't pleased at all.

From reading the replies it seems that a lot of people have seen the leaked version.

I got no problem with extra endings on the DVD but alternate endings in the theatre are going to be annoying.

i gotta admit, after reading all of this, i'm just going to go into this as if it was just a non-comic related film. i haven't seen the leaked version, nor do i intend to. i just hope it marginally entertaining.

So i saw it in the theater tonight.the story doesn't really hold up for multiple viewings,  the finished FX were nice,  and there were a few other touches too.
unfortunately i fell asleep and missed the climax. then i had to skip out on the after-the-credits ending because i had to catch the last subway home. but otherwise it's a solid movie, no worse than a Blade movie, and better than Ghost Rider or Elektra.

Leaked Wolverine same length as feature (http://www.spacecast.com/Blogs/Post.aspx?PostID=510)

honestly i went in with low exceptions these were met and some surpassed

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pro's

jackman always was spot on with the character
sabertooth was great and a lot better than i expected.
Reynolds for what we actually seen of him was superb and was a perfect page to film translation of the character
the action was decent for what they could do but no major events were that memorable
cameo's the likes of quicksilver and xavier were a nice touch

cons
to many useless characters. the team for when it was together was great but what was the point if the vanish and get killed off after the first 15 minutes
gambit was this films venom, he was only there to shut up fanboys, what the hell was his point in this film it could have been any character or they could have just skipped it and have blob know where the island was.
stupidity like the adamantium bullet was just moronic and had to be an after thought
deadpool i'll separate this cause reynolds played wade wilson, weapon 11 was just one of the most annoying and stupid idea's i have ever seen, seriously have the writers actually read a comic that was :cmad: other have said it better than I can
everything has to be connected, cyclops didn't need to be there, silverfox and emma frost are sisters wtf so is silverfox a fake name and her name is kayla frost or is emma known as emma silverfox in the film.

the film really was very bland it may not be a great discrimination but after it was over all i could think was meh

and i still say the "multiple endings" is a pile of bull

So what ending did you see TUE?

the one with logan in the Japanese bar, which honestly i think is the only one there is

The ending I saw was the one Stalker got called in for questioning.  Not a great movie but pretty solid.  Shall I say it was better than X3??

Quote from: JeyNyce on May 01, 2009, 11:03:03 AM
The ending I saw was the one Stalker got called in for questioning.  Not a great movie but pretty solid.  Shall I say it was better than X3??

everyone gets that, the other is after all the credits

a link to the deadpool one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgndmyItrg0

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Quote from: JeyNyce on May 01, 2009, 11:03:03 AM
The ending I saw was the one Stalker got called in for questioning.  Not a great movie but pretty solid.  Shall I say it was better than X3??

everyone gets that, the other is after all the credits

a link to the deadpool one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgndmyItrg0

:doh: Now I have to go back and see it again?!

What - haven't you learned by now to sit through the credits?

Just got back from the movie.  I thought it was pretty good, although the plot was a bit thin.  It did have enough in it for a fanboi to enjoy.

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I love Gambit in the comics, but I think they could have played up his cajun charm a bit more.  Plus he had no accent whatsoever, and that took away from the character in my opinion.  Couldn't the cast be bothered to check out the '92-'97 X-Men Animated series?  Gambit was perfect in it.  Plus, they screwed up Rogue in the X-Men movies, and if they did her and gambit right we could have see some type of romance later on down the line.

It was utterly mundane in every sense of the word.
Not bad, just bland.
Its like every time something was introduced that could conceivably be an interesting idea or plot point, they decided to go with the most average, predictable, watered down NBC movie of the week story option -- and then edited it down further to be the weakest PG-13 Ive seen in forever. I bet it got the PG-13 for language, as I don't think there was one drop of blood on screen. A 10 second autopsy in the show Bones is more graphic.

And as a personal aside, was anyone else getting confused by the time frame (or lack thereof). It was supposed to be taking place ~1979 by my calculations, but it never felt like it was the 70's -- everything felt too new or generically non dated.

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I got the one with Stryker walking and Wolverine in a bar - Was this Deadpool one a real one? or was it cut and something left fr the DVD?

Quote from: Ares_God_of_War on May 02, 2009, 05:48:47 AM

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I got the one with Stryker walking and Wolverine in a bar - Was this Deadpool one a real one? or was it cut and something left fr the DVD?

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I don't know what you mean by 'real one', but that is the ending I saw after the credits last night (and I did not see Wolverine in a bar).

@GP:  I agree.  And only at a few points did the movie seem like late '70s.  'That 70s Show' pulls it off better than this movie.

Quote from: Ares_God_of_War on May 02, 2009, 05:48:47 AM

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I got the one with Stryker walking and Wolverine in a bar - Was this Deadpool one a real one? or was it cut and something left fr the DVD?

I'm pretty positive the Deadpool secret ending was filmed right after the film was leaked as a way to get people to actually see the movie.

The fact they made it random as to which secret ending you see, is a pretty poor thing to do to fans.  Why they didn't just include all of them as scenes as the credits go by in one movie is beyond me.... maybe with the Deadpool one being the final bit, I dunno.

Still smacks of desperation to me.

I just hope this move gets squashed next week by Trek.

RTT

So how many secret endings are there in this thing? The one I got wasnt too special.

Quote from: Ares_God_of_War on May 02, 2009, 08:45:11 PM
So how many secret endings are there in this thing? The one I got wasnt too special.

I'm guessing only 2...

Wolvie in a bar is one.... Deadpool at the end is another.

Quote from: RTTingle on May 02, 2009, 03:30:10 PM
...I just hope this move gets squashed next week by Trek.

RTT

We'll see.  The trailer I saw in the theater looked like an action fest.  And the great things I remember about Star Trek have little to do with kewl xsplozions!11!!  :doh:

SSSSHHHHH!!!!111

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So lame. The text parser deadpool at the end was rofliciously lame. Actually up until the end it was cool! I liked the figh

ts.

Quote from: Ares_God_of_War on May 02, 2009, 08:45:11 PM
So how many secret endings are there in this thing? The one I got wasnt too special.

supposedly there are three.

You know, knowing whats been happening with this franchise - I bet wolverine 2 will have wade wilson/deadpool/weapon XI as the Silver Samurai in japan

Quote from: Ares_God_of_War on May 03, 2009, 01:58:43 AM
You know, knowing whats been happening with this franchise - I bet wolverine 2 will have wade wilson/deadpool/weapon XI as the Silver Samurai in japan

Silver Mimicpool XI!!!  :P

They will graft on peices from Lady Deathstrike from 2 - His new mutant power will be jumping over sharks

Ughh...

A mighty load of rambling below... Spoil at your own risk...

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So i saw it. I'm not sure if this was or wasn't better than X3. I hated the bone claws, hated the dude playing striker, hated that Cyclops was in it, hated that the Blob, Gambit, and Emma Frost were a few of the best cast and the most wasted characters. Great FX for Emma though. I LOVED Gambits cards throwing and bo-staff quake. Hated the "Jimmy/Victor" Plotline, and theFREAKIN' BONE CLAWS! ANNOYING! I have to say the things i hated the most were just some of the theatrical elements. Camera angles were mediocre, there were far to many land/sea/city scape shots, most of the costuming sucked, and the quality of the special FX were terribly disapointing. If(for some unknown reason) you see it again watch when Logan is in the bathroom, has Victor pinned to the floor with his claws to his throat, and almost every other time the (adamantium)claws were out. This has got to be the most pitiful digital animation work i have ever seen. Why didn't they use the prop claws like in the others? Also hated the cliche action hero walk away from the heli-explotion... LAME!

However, despite all of the above... I enjoyed the film for what it was. I made the mistake of expecting an X-men film... :rolleyes: ... my bad. Though really, take away the nerdboy perspective and i think this as a stand alone film is overall alright. I do feel bad for Hugh Jackman though. SOOOOO many people will be dissapointed.

I really, really didn't enjoy this film.

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So many injustices done to so many of the characters...They are just not who they should be (most are badly thought-out/handled/portrayed)...Sabretooth (Ugh!),  Emma Frost (WTF?!), maverick (WTF?), Deadpool (WTF?!), Gambit (Blarg!).  The dialogue was terrible in many spots and the Weapon X part of the story was awful...I wish they stuck more with the original Barry Windsor-Smith Weapon X plot instead (it was so much better than this tripe).  Weapon XI (faux Deadpool) was just dumb.  Silverfox and Emma being sisters was a terrible, terrible idea...Not to mention, Logan (James) and Victor being brothers through history was also bad..

This film just misses the mark in so many places...I actually regret going to see it.

Dana

Quote from: Figure Fan on April 26, 2009, 08:50:49 PM

Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on April 26, 2009, 06:55:40 PM
ohh for the love of god this can't be true

can we get a film version where dead pool isn't ruined and logans memory loss isn't cause by some stupid plot device

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striker shoots him with an adamantium bullet

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Can adamantium even go through adamantium? I could have sworn that Deathstrike and Wolverine were blocking one another's strikes with their claws..

How would an adamantium bullet go through an adamantium skeleton? Pretty dumb. I wasn't pleased at all.

I don't know if someone has answered this but the bullet would have significantly more force than say to people knife fighting.

Quote from: cmdrkoenig67 on May 03, 2009, 04:58:50 PM
I really, really didn't enjoy this film.

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So many injustices done to so many of the characters...They are just not who they should be (most are badly thought-out/handled/portrayed)...Sabretooth (Ugh!),  Emma Frost (WTF?!), maverick (WTF?), Deadpool (WTF?!), Gambit (Blarg!).  The dialogue was terrible in many spots and the Weapon X part of the story was awful...I wish they stuck more with the original Barry Windsor-Smith Weapon X plot instead (it was so much better than this tripe).  Weapon XI (faux Deadpool) was just dumb.  Silverfox and Emma being sisters was a terrible, terrible idea...Not to mention, Logan (James) and Victor being brothers through history was also bad..

This film just misses the mark in so many places...I actually regret going to see it.

Dana

Oh wow..I didn't even know Agent Zero was Maverick..I hated his character and his face. Just annoyed me, and why could he jump so far?

Quote from: docdelorean88 on May 03, 2009, 04:15:25 AM
theFREAKIN' BONE CLAWS! ANNOYING!

Why were the bone claws annoying? I just seems like a silly thing to be annoyed at.

Ok after reading everyone else's post I'm sort of shocked. For the most part it was a decent movie. By no means would I sit through it again but I didn't get up and leave. Also everyone seems to be caught up on this whole Deadpool-Mimic thing but I'm not entirely sure why. Movie versions of characters are usually different comic versions. I think this was my biggest problem with Watchmen. I already knew what was going to happen and it made the movie extremely boring. When it boils down to it film versions are What If?'s and instead of getting upset just take it for what it is.

One more thing:

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It is revealed that Barakapool/Mimicpool was a clone of the real Wade Wilson.

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Quote from: docdelorean88 on May 03, 2009, 04:15:25 AM
theFREAKIN' BONE CLAWS! ANNOYING!

Why were the bone claws annoying? I just seems like a silly thing to be annoyed at.

Ok after reading everyone else's post I'm sort of shocked. For the most part it was a decent movie. By no means would I sit through it again but I didn't get up and leave. Also everyone seems to be caught up on this whole Deadpool-Mimic thing but I'm not entirely sure why. Movie versions of characters are usually different comic versions. I think this was my biggest problem with Watchmen. I already knew what was going to happen and it made the movie extremely boring. When it boils down to it film versions are What If?'s and instead of getting upset just take it for what it is.

One more thing:

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It is revealed that Barakapool/Mimicpool was a clone of the real Wade Wilson.

Rule #1 of wolverine. Adamantium claws. Did wolverine have claws vefore his skeleton in the original story lines? I just thought it was hilarious that they had actual prop bone claws, but all of the metal ones were digitally animated.

Quote from: docdelorean88 on May 03, 2009, 05:58:07 PM
Rule #1 of wolverine. Adamantium claws. Did wolverine have claws vefore his skeleton in the original story lines? I just thought it was hilarious that they had actual prop bone claws, but all of the metal ones were digitally animated.

Actually he did have bone claws in the original story line. Maybe you should buff up on your Wolverine history.

Meh, I guess this might just be me coming off of the Dragonball flick, but I don't know what the big deal is. It's not a great flick by any means, but it is a decent one, and I take a bit of offense at it being compared to X3 as though they're even comparable. Just... No.

As for the bone claws... Don't go too hard on him AA, it may not be obvious since that's only really been explored since the Wolverine Origins miniseries. It's not like he's had bone claws for extended periods (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fictional_history_of_Wolverine#Bone_claws) in the comics or anything.

Quote from: Tomato on May 03, 2009, 06:23:51 PM
Meh, I guess this might just be me coming off of the Dragonball flick, but I don't know what the big deal is. It's not a great flick by any means, but it is a decent one, and I take a bit of offense at it being compared to X3 as though they're even comparable. Just... No.

As for the bone claws... Don't go too hard on him AA, it may not be obvious since that's only really been explored since the Wolverine Origins miniseries. It's not like he's had bone claws for extended periods (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fictional_history_of_Wolverine#Bone_claws) in the comics or anything.

Thanks T. I did like the film overall. I was just so disapointed. I actually didn't know about the bone claws. I know a decent amount about the wolverine history, i just think it flows with the weapon X story to say that they put claws in him. It was a Decent movie. I was just practicing being a critic because i have to write a review of it for class.

I suppose, but adding claws would be outside Weapon X's capabilities, methinks. Sticking some permanent Adamantium spikes in his hands, sure, Adamantium is unbreakable and Wolverine's system can't expel it. But retractable claws? That would require additional muscles to control it, alterations to the brain functions to control their movement in and out, and even then you'd have to overhaul his healing factor to keep it from repairing the damage.

In the same vein, that's always why I think the term "bonding" is accurate, whereas the common perception that Weapon X coated his bones is dumb. Bones have certain functions related to healing, and coating them with unbreakable metal would kill those functions.

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theFREAKIN' BONE CLAWS! ANNOYING!

Why were the bone claws annoying? I just seems like a silly thing to be annoyed at.

Ok after reading everyone else's post I'm sort of shocked. For the most part it was a decent movie. By no means would I sit through it again but I didn't get up and leave. Also everyone seems to be caught up on this whole Deadpool-Mimic thing but I'm not entirely sure why. Movie versions of characters are usually different comic versions. I think this was my biggest problem with Watchmen. I already knew what was going to happen and it made the movie extremely boring. When it boils down to it film versions are What If?'s and instead of getting upset just take it for what it is.

One more thing:

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It is revealed that Barakapool/Mimicpool was a clone of the real Wade Wilson.

where is that revealed mate, i posted the deadpool ending in this thread and no where does it show that

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, weapon xi just opens his eyes after his hand reaches his severed head

Good points. Okay, so bone claws are iffy right now. But i did and didn't like how they handled the coating of adamantium. I believe in the first xmen they did say it was surgically grafted to his skeleton. Surgically being the main term. I mean, how was any of that surgical. I wanted to see them cut him open. Not anything terribly gruesome, i always thought it would involve haveing slices in his skin and then interesting the wierd needles. It needed to show why it was hurting(just a little more). It was smaller things(all nerdyboy aside) that left me feeling that, for a story that was going to answer our questions answered so few. Too much to leave you with, "Oh, that thing that happened at the end means there is more to him than we have seen." and to little to leave you with, "That explains it all! It all makes sense now."...in smileys it leaves you with a :mellow:...  :huh:...  ^_^ You just leave happy there was another movie to see.

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theFREAKIN' BONE CLAWS! ANNOYING!

Why were the bone claws annoying? I just seems like a silly thing to be annoyed at.

Ok after reading everyone else's post I'm sort of shocked. For the most part it was a decent movie. By no means would I sit through it again but I didn't get up and leave. Also everyone seems to be caught up on this whole Deadpool-Mimic thing but I'm not entirely sure why. Movie versions of characters are usually different comic versions. I think this was my biggest problem with Watchmen. I already knew what was going to happen and it made the movie extremely boring. When it boils down to it film versions are What If?'s and instead of getting upset just take it for what it is.

One more thing:

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It is revealed that Barakapool/Mimicpool was a clone of the real Wade Wilson.

where is that revealed mate, i posted the deadpool ending in this thread and no where does it show that

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, weapon xi just opens his eyes after his hand reaches his severed head

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I didn't see the ending (I saw the Wolverine one and people boo'ed) but I was told there was an ending where Stryker reveals that it was a clone. However after thinking about it and how the female doctor said his mutation wasnt stable, I'm guess it really is Deadpool and he loses the other powers.

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Quote from: docdelorean88 on May 03, 2009, 05:58:07 PM
Rule #1 of wolverine. Adamantium claws. Did wolverine have claws vefore his skeleton in the original story lines? I just thought it was hilarious that they had actual prop bone claws, but all of the metal ones were digitally animated.

Actually he did have bone claws in the original story line. Maybe you should buff up on your Wolverine history.

The bone claws are a retcon...

Originally, Len Wein (Wolvie's creator) intended the claws to be a part of his gloves...Later, Claremont and Cockrum (or was it Byrne?) revealed Wolvie's claws to be coming out of his arms (retcon one), but they were intended to be artificial bionic implants (as revealed in the Handbooks in the Eighties, especially the Marvel Weapons, Hardware and Paraphenalia manual)...The claws being revealed as being originally bone, was the second retcon from the nineties.

Dana

Saw it yesterday, and it was ok. Nothing special and there wasn't anything in it that makes me want to see it again but it wasn't really bad.

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How lame is it that Ryan Reynolds doesn't get to play Weapon XI! Ryan would make an awesome true Deadpool and I hope he gets the chance one day.
Also Weapon XI actually was so close to being a decent Deadpool. Take away the optic blasts, maybe give him swords instead of claws and open that darn mouth and that last fight would have been awesome.

Really liked Sabretooth in this movie, I thought his actor did a good job. Also Jackman continues to be a great Wolverine, and I liked Gambit for what it was.

Yay for Dominic Monaghan and Kevin Durand being in the film! Love seeing former Lost actors again.
Also yay for (funny looking) Patrick Stewart!

Didn't like Blob being in it. That scene was just too goofy to fit with what this movie should have been.
Also didn't like that Silverfox survived, just seemed unnecessary.

The teleporting effect was pretty cool.

I think thats really all I have to say. Movie is mostly meh, with some lameness here and there.

Quote from: Podmark on May 03, 2009, 07:57:44 PM
Saw it yesterday, and it was ok. Nothing special and there wasn't anything in it that makes me want to see it again but it wasn't really bad.

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How lame is it that Ryan Reynolds doesn't get to play Weapon XI! Ryan would make an awesome true Deadpool and I hope he gets the chance one day.
Also Weapon XI actually was so close to being a decent Deadpool. Take away the optic blasts, maybe give him swords instead of claws and open that darn mouth and that last fight would have been awesome.

Really liked Sabretooth in this movie, I thought his actor did a good job. Also Jackman continues to be a great Wolverine, and I liked Gambit for what it was.

Yay for Dominic Monaghan and Kevin Durand being in the film! Love seeing former Lost actors again.
Also yay for (funny looking) Patrick Stewart!

Didn't like Blob being in it. That scene was just too goofy to fit with what this movie should have been.
Also didn't like that Silverfox survived, just seemed unnecessary.

The teleporting effect was pretty cool.

I think thats really all I have to say. Movie is mostly meh, with some lameness here and there.

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where does silverfox survive? the lat I saw was Gambit asking if Wolvie knew hr and he saying no, checking her pulse then closing her eyes

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Saw it yesterday, and it was ok. Nothing special and there wasn't anything in it that makes me want to see it again but it wasn't really bad.

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How lame is it that Ryan Reynolds doesn't get to play Weapon XI! Ryan would make an awesome true Deadpool and I hope he gets the chance one day.
Also Weapon XI actually was so close to being a decent Deadpool. Take away the optic blasts, maybe give him swords instead of claws and open that darn mouth and that last fight would have been awesome.

Really liked Sabretooth in this movie, I thought his actor did a good job. Also Jackman continues to be a great Wolverine, and I liked Gambit for what it was.

Yay for Dominic Monaghan and Kevin Durand being in the film! Love seeing former Lost actors again.
Also yay for (funny looking) Patrick Stewart!

Didn't like Blob being in it. That scene was just too goofy to fit with what this movie should have been.
Also didn't like that Silverfox survived, just seemed unnecessary.

The teleporting effect was pretty cool.

I think thats really all I have to say. Movie is mostly meh, with some lameness here and there.

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where does silverfox survive? the lat I saw was Gambit asking if Wolvie knew hr and he saying no, checking her pulse then closing her eyes

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Sorry bad wording. I meant how they had faked her death earlier. I didn't really feel her coming back later in the film was necessary.

I saw it. I didn't hate it, but I didn't particularly like it either. It was a decent way to waste a couple of hours.

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The ending I saw was the Deadpool one.

Quote from: Silver Shocker on May 04, 2009, 12:20:25 AM
I saw it. I didn't hate it, but I didn't particularly like it either. It was a decent way to waste a couple of hours.

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The ending I saw was the Deadpool one.

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diddo

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Rule #1 of wolverine. Adamantium claws. Did wolverine have claws vefore his skeleton in the original story lines? I just thought it was hilarious that they had actual prop bone claws, but all of the metal ones were digitally animated.

Actually he did have bone claws in the original story line. Maybe you should buff up on your Wolverine history.

Actually, it depends on when you ask that question. Until just a few years ago, they were add-ons. And I'm pretty sure that in his first appearence, they were just part of the costume.

And I have to say, the whole bone claw thing annoys me too. But they haven't been writing comic books for me for a long, long time...

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Quote from: docdelorean88 on May 03, 2009, 04:15:25 AM
theFREAKIN' BONE CLAWS! ANNOYING!

Why were the bone claws annoying? I just seems like a silly thing to be annoyed at.

Ok after reading everyone else's post I'm sort of shocked. For the most part it was a decent movie. By no means would I sit through it again but I didn't get up and leave. Also everyone seems to be caught up on this whole Deadpool-Mimic thing but I'm not entirely sure why. Movie versions of characters are usually different comic versions. I think this was my biggest problem with Watchmen. I already knew what was going to happen and it made the movie extremely boring. When it boils down to it film versions are What If?'s and instead of getting upset just take it for what it is.

One more thing:

Spoiler

It is revealed that Barakapool/Mimicpool was a clone of the real Wade Wilson.

where is that revealed mate, i posted the deadpool ending in this thread and no where does it show that

Spoiler

, weapon xi just opens his eyes after his hand reaches his severed head

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I didn't see the ending (I saw the Wolverine one and people boo'ed) but I was told there was an ending where Stryker reveals that it was a clone. However after thinking about it and how the female doctor said his mutation wasnt stable, I'm guess it really is Deadpool and he loses the other powers.

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striker never mentions a clone in the film, and the deadpool ending is the hand crawling over to the severed head which opens it's eyes and thats it

Wow.

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OK, good stuff first.

- Reynolds as Wade was spot- on. Notice I differentiate between Wade and "Deadpool."
- The little kid James looked like a little Jackman. Good casting there.
- The inclusion of Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch (?), Toad, and Sunfire as captured kids (kid with white hair strung up and "super- shaking," chick with red streak in hair (?), green kid with tounge, asian kid being frozen in his cell)
- Alkalie Lake looked like it did in X1 and X2.

The bad:
- Agent Zero shouldn't be able to jump like that, and Gambit shouldn't have the strength to stick his half- staves a brick wall and climb up it like Spider- Man.
- The little attempts at humor. Don't get me wrong, I love comedy, but this flick didn't make it work for me.
- "Deadpool."
- The CG was dreck. The scene where Logan's checking out his shiny new claws in the old folk's bathroom... his claws looked awful. The lighting was off... it almost looked like an unfinished print of the CG claws.
- "Emma" looked bad. Instead of one chunk of diamond, she looked like she truned into a pile of fake rhinestones. For those of you who would get this, she look like she had been Bedazzled.
- Prof X and the chopper looked sickeningly fake. Almost unnaturally fake.
- For that matter, Prof X didn't need to be in the film at all. Totally unnessary.

The best part was the trailer for Star Trek... I didn't realize Simon Pegg was Scotty!

Better than X3, IMO. 

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I find it strange that the put the addition of Adamantium so close to present day.  It's not consistent with anything in the comics that I know....from waaayyy back in the day. 
I'm not a big fan of the bone claws either, but it seemed that they handled it well enough since now it's part of Wolve's origin post retcons.
I'm also annoyed by all the references to wolves and wolverines...do they even get along? 
Sabertooth was more interesting than anyone else in the movie.
It seems that all X1 and X2 have now been retconned since Prof X leading the kids out of danger implies that he knows a lot more than he let on about Wolvie's origins. What a lair they've been making Prof. X to be in recent times!   I've nearly lost all respect for the man.

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For those of you who would get this, she look like she had been Bedazzled.

For the record, that line almost made me snort orange juice up my nose.  Well done.

Quote from: thalaw2 on May 04, 2009, 03:25:11 PM
Better than X3, IMO. 

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I find it strange that the put the addition of Adamantium so close to present day.  It's not consistent with anything in the comics that I know....from waaayyy back in the day. 
I'm not a big fan of the bone claws either, but it seemed that they handled it well enough since now it's part of Wolve's origin post retcons.
I'm also annoyed by all the references to wolves and wolverines...do they even get along? 
Sabertooth was more interesting than anyone else in the movie.
It seems that all X1 and X2 have now been retconned since Prof X leading the kids out of danger implies that he knows a lot more than he let on about Wolvie's origins. What a lair they've been making Prof. X to be in recent times!   I've nearly lost all respect for the man.

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No, they alluded to him knowing about Wolverine's past in X2, Magneto in particular made a few comments about that if I recall right.

Fun Facts:

http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1610493/story.jhtml

What was all the talk about wolves and wolverines?  I remember the story about the wolverine, but were wolves even mentioned?

Not so much talk as symbolic stuff throughout the movie.

Some of my nitpicking here...

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I really didn't like that they made Wolverine and Sabretooth brothers. Also, I don't see why they bothered to explain Wolverine's memory loss when this can't logically be in continuity with the Xmen movies. It's kind of like the Star Wars prequels, that don't really make sense when you watch the other movies.

Quote from: daglob on May 04, 2009, 03:12:24 AM
Actually, it depends on when you ask that question. Until just a few years ago, they were add-ons. And I'm pretty sure that in his first appearence, they were just part of the costume.

And I have to say, the whole bone claw thing annoys me too. But they haven't been writing comic books for me for a long, long time...

16 years ago (X-Men 25) is not a few years ago. That is more than half of my life.

Quote from: NomadX on May 05, 2009, 05:28:21 AM
Some of my nitpicking here...

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Also, I don't see why they bothered to explain Wolverine's memory loss when this can't logically be in continuity with the Xmen movies.

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Are you sure? I remember Professor X telling Wolverine he had information on his past in X2.

Here's my take on Wolverine: X-Men Unoriginal:

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Wolverine's father, Dr. Thomas Wayne, is murdered before his young eyes. Luckily, he drops in at the farm of the kindly Kents, but unluckily, he falls in love with Vesper Lynd. He yells at the sky, but somehow doesn't manage to turn the Earth backward

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Quote from: daglob on May 04, 2009, 03:12:24 AM
Actually, it depends on when you ask that question. Until just a few years ago, they were add-ons. And I'm pretty sure that in his first appearence, they were just part of the costume.

And I have to say, the whole bone claw thing annoys me too. But they haven't been writing comic books for me for a long, long time...

16 years ago (X-Men 25) is not a few years ago. That is more than half of my life.

That's funny; the X-Men 25 I got had them fighting some jerk called El Tigre. Wolverine was nowhere in sight. ;)

More dren for the recycle bin. I hope to god that they stop making these XMen movies. I wasn't a fan of the Singer films...X3 was complete garbage IMO and this movie was just to much and to little at the same time. I really hope that they relaunch the franchise and put Wolvie to bed...hell I hope that they do that in XMen comics as well.

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too many inconsistances and Ryan Renolds was wasted in this film, other than that I actually enjoyed it.

Quote from: danhagen on May 05, 2009, 06:37:09 PM
Here's my take on Wolverine: X-Men Unoriginal:

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Wolverine's father, Dr. Thomas Wayne, is murdered before his young eyes. Luckily, he drops in at the farm of the kindly Kents, but unluckily, he falls in love with Vesper Lynd. He yells at the sky, but somehow doesn't manage to turn the Earth backward

And this..is absolutely hilarious. True, even..

Regardless of when Wolverine's ret-cons occurred, it doesn't change the fact that this movie was generally poor (and unnecessary), and that it was not 'ret-conned' out of our history.

I didn't mind the film. It was clearly an action film targeted at teens, the largest possible audience. Thus Wolverine's complex history was streamlined into something simple, and the film wasn't particularly violent either ... I mean, do we ever see Sabretooth slash someone with his claws?

It was also pretty clearly set in the "movie" continuinity, not the comics. Those expecting it to contain 30-plus year of Wolvey history and not tie into the films would have been disappointed.

I was suprised at how good Will.i.am was as Wraith. Same with Schrieber as Victor. Hell, even Gambit was decent, aside from his disappearing accent.

People complain about Wolverine not being as character-driven or cerebral as X-Men 1 and 2 but, let's face it, Wolverine is an action-based character and this wasn't an ensemble film.

I'm glad the film was a financial success and I'll be interested to see how/what they do with Wolverine 2.

Just got back from it. I really enjoyed it. I thought Sabretooth was 1000% cooler and I loved the brothers thing. I will note I am not a Deadpool fan or Gambit fan so I don't know how they translated. I would have rather have heard Reynolds mouth through the last fight though.
I figure modern comic continuity is screwed up anyway. The movie continuity was certainly good enough for me. Most seeming gaffs were cleaned up pretty nicely and Sabretooth was sooo much better didn't bother me.

EDIT: Whoops, didn't see there was another thread for this. :banghead:

I have never been a big fan of the X-men movies in general - X2 was definately the best one by far - but I will go out on a limb and say this was #2 in that line - Renolds as Wade was awesome - Sabertooth was played better than  honestly expected him to be. Even for all the crappy things done in this movie its still far from the worst marvel movie made so far.

I just saw the film a few days ago, and I'm honestly surprised at the positive reaction to this movie, even if most of it is reserved. This movie is without a doubt one of Marvels lower quality films, while not as bad as something like Elektra, it was definitely along the lines of the Fantastic Four movies (both of which I liked more than this film, but that's besides the point) and/or Ghost Rider. I was really expecting a lot more bashing in this thread.

It was a disappointment to me. I didn't think it looked very good from the start, but I remained hopeful and open minded. Really what made this movie pretty crappy to me was just how inconsistent it was with the X-Men films, and also from just standard crappy movie-making decisions. There were a lot of pointless scenes, and a lot of really cheesy scenes too. Does Wolverine always have to look directly in the sky and yell "Nooooo!" when someone dies that he didn't want to? And what was with that added Stryker scene during the credits? "You are wanted for the death of whatever forgettable character Stryker killed". Was this some sort of lead-in to a sequel? If so, it was incredibly poor.

The main thing positive, if the only thing, about this movie, was Hugh Jackman's dedication to the character. He's still awesome as Wolverine and you can tell he loves playing the part. The only other part that I liked was Gambit, except for the fact that his fight scene in that alley way was really poorly choreographed and just wasn't very exciting.

I liked Sabertooth, but he was a completely different character here than he was in X-Men 1, and they never said his name once. Deadpool was ok, but completely under used, plus, that ending was really bad. And don't get me started on the Blob or Will.I.Am (of which, I'm still baffled as to why they casted him). Ugh. Blob reminded me of Fat ambiguously foreborn from Austin Powers. Completely goofy and unnecessary.

I want Bryan Singer back.

Quote from: TheMarvell on May 08, 2009, 09:41:26 PM

I want Bryan Singer back.

Ditto. Loved the first two films and their thought-provoking nature.

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I want Bryan Singer back.

Ditto. Loved the first two films and their thought-provoking nature.

I don't know...some of his last movies weren't the best, and do you really think they'll let him back after what he did with Supes?

his last two movies were Superman Returns and Valkyrie, right? While I didn't care for Supes, I thought Valkyrie was an enjoyable film. And yes, I think if Singer was brought back, he could bring the series back to being good. However, I'm sure the studio is still not forgiving Singer for backing out of X-Men 3 (which I actually enjoyed, but still wish Singer would have done it).

Oh well.

After watching Wolverine, I thought to myself "why didn't they just make X-Men 4?" Seriously, there were enough cameos and other pointless characters it might as well have been. There should have been way fewer characters that had much more impact on, you know, Wolverine...

Took the whole family to see this earlier tonight. We all loved it. Very fun flick.

Sometimes you have to step back and just enjoy a movie. Nit picking and comparing it to other flicks will just drive you batty. ;)

Quote from: MJB on May 09, 2009, 05:44:52 AM
Took the whole family to see this earlier tonight. We all loved it. Very fun flick.

Sometimes you have to step back and just enjoy a movie. Nit picking and comparing it to other flicks will just drive you batty. ;)

I really enjoyed everything about the movie until the end, and tried not nitpick or compare the movie characters to the comic/cartoon counterparts. I felt awful because I went with my little brother and he loved it and I started bitching at the end for no reason like I was trying to ruin everyone's time. WHY CAN'T I JUST BE HAPPY?!

But COME ON, he was

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typing in what he wanted "Deadpool" to do at the end like it was Zork. Why would he possibly install that control method? So stupid.

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Quote from: MJB on May 09, 2009, 05:44:52 AM
Took the whole family to see this earlier tonight. We all loved it. Very fun flick.

Sometimes you have to step back and just enjoy a movie. Nit picking and comparing it to other flicks will just drive you batty. ;)

I really enjoyed everything about the movie until the end, and tried not nitpick or compare the movie characters to the comic/cartoon counterparts. I felt awful because I went with my little brother and he loved it and I started bitching at the end for no reason like I was trying to ruin everyone's time. WHY CAN'T I JUST BE HAPPY?!

But COME ON, he was

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typing in what he wanted "Deadpool" to do at the end like it was Zork. Why would he possibly install that control method? So stupid.

He was getting his SMS on.  Sending quick SMS is popular these days.  haha!

X-Men Origins: Wolverine (review in 30 seconds) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYSyvIbTAJA)

(spoiler free)

Quote from: Glitch Girl on May 09, 2009, 07:10:27 PM
X-Men Origins: Wolverine (review in 30 seconds) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYSyvIbTAJA)

(spoiler free)

Too Funny! :lol:

That made my day!

Bleh.

Saw it and enjoyed it.    A LOT better than X-Man 3.

The brother thing didn't bother me; I actually liked it.   The naming of the Blob was well done and funny -- but I have to agree that they made him look a little too much like "Fat ambiguously foreborn" from the Austin Powers film. 

The only thing I missed was not seeing Stan Lee somewhere in the film?    Was he there and I just missed him?  Or do you suppose he chose not to be there because he didn't create this story, as he has all the other origin films?

AFAIK Stan doesn't appear in movies when he didn't create the main character. I seem to remember him saying that at one point. *shrugs*

That review pretty much sums it up. Haha..loves it.

I guess I just have no mercy for bad flicks that shouldn't even be made anyway. Give me well-crafted, thought-provoking material, or at least a brave shot at a genuinely unique film, and I'll pay for the ticket and give kind words. Otherwise, soz.

I'm on the same train of thought as Figure Fan. If I don't feel intellectually or emotionally challenged by a film, I struggle to enjoy it. Predictability is a pretty massive no-no for me too. Same reason I don't like most marvel films.

Also. Hugh Jackman. Not a fan.

Quote from: Reepicheep on May 11, 2009, 07:41:41 PM
I'm on the same train of thought as Figure Fan. If I don't feel intellectually or emotionally challenged by a film, I struggle to enjoy it. Predictability is a pretty massive no-no for me too. Same reason I don't like most marvel films.

Also. Hugh Jackman. Not a fan.

See, I'm not a Jackman fan either, but X2 really brought out the best in the Wolverine character. In fact, X2 was one of the few Marvel films to really bring something weighty to the table in terms of theme and undertones. I never cared that there wasn't an excessive amount of action in it, either. There was a good amount, and it was story-driven. Jean's death was genuinely moving, to the point where I got really choked up in the theater. Heck, even X-men had some great material in it, especially between Professor X and Magneto. X3..had the whole 10 minutes or so in Jean's childhood home that was fantastic.

I actually enjoyed it. However, I had already read most of he comments in this thread, and knew what to expect... or NOT to expect.

Quote from: Figure Fan on May 08, 2009, 10:46:08 PM

Quote from: TheMarvell on May 08, 2009, 09:41:26 PM

I want Bryan Singer back.

Ditto. Loved the first two films and their thought-provoking nature.

See their "thought provoking nature" to me was the very predictable message I tolerated to enjoy the  characters themselves. Nothing new there. The character interaction was good though which I really enjoyed.  I guess we want and see different things in films. I will admit their message was less ham handed and more mythic than most.

I liked it.

Meh I can wipe my butt with thought-provoking to be honest. Who cares? Guys in tights? Super powers? You want thought provoking?!?

BWAHAhahaha!

Thought provoking Wolverine? Seriously... wolverine?

I'm sorry I've been reading this whole thread and laughing myself silly.

He fought stuff, there were explosions and most of the silly plot was actually fairly solid for a hollywood film. I was entertained. I seriously think it sounds like some of you sit around writing sonnets and quoting Shakespeare while discussing the finer points of 16th century poetry. I am more than able to enjoy a simple super hero action flick which is what this was.

Good movie.

Quote from: GrizzlyBearTalon on May 14, 2009, 05:00:43 AM
I liked it.

Meh I can wipe my butt with thought-provoking to be honest. Who cares? Guys in tights? Super powers? You want thought provoking?!?

BWAHAhahaha!

Watchmen did it. The book did it better, but the movie did well enough with it. *shrugs*

I think the point Grizz is trying to make is that it's Wolverine... not Alan Moore's Watchmen.

Quote from: MJB on May 14, 2009, 05:38:02 AM
I think the point Grizz is trying to make is that it's Wolverine... not Alan Moore's Watchmen.

Pretty much.

My point stands!

Quote from: Figure Fan on May 14, 2009, 05:19:37 AM

Quote from: GrizzlyBearTalon on May 14, 2009, 05:00:43 AM
I liked it.

Meh I can wipe my butt with thought-provoking to be honest. Who cares? Guys in tights? Super powers? You want thought provoking?!?

BWAHAhahaha!

Watchmen did it. The book did it better, but the movie did well enough with it. *shrugs*

Also about Watchmen, boy that sure outsold Wolverine tickets at the theater didn't it? Ah wait...

It didn't!

Watchmen clocks in at around 180 million, Wolverine clocks in at 210 million. Hrm... what does that say? We don't care if it is thought provoking, we all just want to be entertained. Any extra stuff be it violence, sex. comedy or "thought-provokingness" is simply extra.

Do you feel you have to justify your nerdy/geeky hobbies by deriding anything that is simply fun & violent? Me I can just enjoy stuff.

To quote Patton Oswalt, "I just love the stuff I love"

Quote from: MJB on May 14, 2009, 05:38:02 AM
I think the point Grizz is trying to make is that it's Wolverine... not Alan Moore's Watchmen.

True, but Wolverine is and has been an incredibly deep character that could be more eloquently explored within a film, especially one of his own. Keep the violence, definitely. Just give me something more substantial to chew on after the claws are done slicing and dicing. Otherwise, save it.

The material is there. It really is. They just need to think about what makes it worthwhile.

Quote from: GrizzlyBearTalon on May 14, 2009, 06:07:57 AM

Quote from: MJB on May 14, 2009, 05:38:02 AM
I think the point Grizz is trying to make is that it's Wolverine... not Alan Moore's Watchmen.

Pretty much.

My point stands!

Quote from: Figure Fan on May 14, 2009, 05:19:37 AM

Quote from: GrizzlyBearTalon on May 14, 2009, 05:00:43 AM
I liked it.

Meh I can wipe my butt with thought-provoking to be honest. Who cares? Guys in tights? Super powers? You want thought provoking?!?

BWAHAhahaha!

Watchmen did it. The book did it better, but the movie did well enough with it. *shrugs*

Also about Watchmen, boy that sure outsold Wolverine tickets at the theater didn't it? Ah wait...

It didn't!

Watchmen clocks in at around 180 million, Wolverine clocks in at 210 million. Hrm... what does that say? We don't care if it is thought provoking, we all just want to be entertained. Any extra stuff be it violence, sex. comedy or "thought-provokingness" is simply extra.

Do you feel you have to justify your nerdy/geeky hobbies by deriding anything that is simply fun & violent? Me I can just enjoy stuff.

To quote Patton Oswalt, "I just love the stuff I love"

Actually..your point doesn't stand.

A lot of the really worthwhile films don't make a lot of money at the box office. Ticket sales are meaningless, as the only thing they can prove in this case is that a poor movie made a lot of money. The quality of the movie is what counts, and people will flock in droves to see terrible movies. The general populace isn't the smartest or most sophisticated bunch. According to the "ticket sale model", Titanic is the best movie in history? Doubt it. I've seen plenty of better movies. Anyway..

My nerdy hobbies? No. I just deride crappy material, and Wolverine was a stinker. I loved X-Men and X2, though. Of the comic book movies, they were some of the more worthwhile ones to watch. I guess..I like movies that you can talk about after and analyze, regardless of what it was adapted from or what genre it is. I don't really read comic books anymore, and will freely admit that most current comic books today, well, suck. I'm not the only one. Even some of the older ones were kind of stupid.

Still, it's no excuse to make a movie like Wolverine lackluster. Even as an action movie that doesn't attempt to challenge a single nerve cluster in your brain, it was pretty bad. Soz.

I guess I disagree with both of you to an extent... Wolverine definitely should be an action oriented character, but If you're going the route of an action fest (which I didn't feel this necessarily was) at least make the writing reflect that.

Spoiler

We got what, 30 seconds of what could have been a cool Wolverine/Gambit fight before Sabertooth came in? If you're going to make gambit useless in the story and fail utterly to define him, at LEAST give me a fleshed out fight scene with him, grah!

Instead, what we got was really neither one, it didn't focus enough on action to be completely an action movie, and it didn't focus on the story enough to be really interesting.

Don't get me wrong though, I liked the movie... wasn't as great as X2 or anything, but it was good. It just wasn't enough to satisfy me on either side of the fence.

Oh I definitely agree that Wolverine wasn't as good as the first two X-Men films.  The first one? I originally didn't like it, I still don't, but there are certain things I did and still like, certain action sequences, casting choices, individual scenes. I LOVED X2. It's a movie I can watch multiple times without getting sick of it. For me it hit many good notes. X3 is like X1 to me, not good as a whole, but there were certain ideas, characters, casting choices, ect (ie Beast) that I liked. And all three of them are films I've watched more than once and will likely watch again in the future. Wolverine? I saw it once, enjoyed it for what it was, and don't really have any desire to see it again.

I'd heard the old joke that Wolverine was really the fourth Wolverine film after the first three X-Men films, and it's pretty much true. But you know what? I liked the use of Wolverine in the X-Men films. He played off the other characters well, he was interesting, he showed a soft side to contrast his "brooding loner" exterior, and he had some amusing lines. Most of these were not there or greatly reduced in the Wolverine film. That's why I think the X-Men films (well, at least the first two) were better than this recent film.

As for sales, yeah, I definitely don't agree that sales determine what makes it as a worthwhile movie and what doesn't.  I thought Watchman was way better than Wolverine. Thought-provoking? Well, look at the Watchmen movie, it had a couple of action scenes, and the ones that it had were heavily extended from the graphic novel version. So I think you can definitely complain that an action movie could be a little deeper, the two don't have to be mutually exclusive. I'd probably rather see it get more money, but this way at least the executives are asking "so what about Watchmen 2?" I actually look forward to the extended DVD. By contrast, I loved the film "Shoot-em-up" which was very much intended to be a over the top ridiculous action movie with little to no plot, so I can enjoy an "popcorn action movie" too.