Just a quick thread asking what is your favourite superhero fight, whether it be TV or Movie, short fight or long, etc?
Mine would have to be the fight between Superman and Captain Marvel in the episode of CLash of JLU. A proper powerhouse slugfest resulting in a destruction of a city and a novel use of the Shazam lightining.
I also think Superman II should get a mention as the fight in the city wasn't half bad considering the time it was made and the absence of CGI.
Quote from: kaflinkle on March 10, 2009, 03:29:48 PM
Mine would have to be the fight between Superman and Captain Marvel in the episode of CLash of JLU. A proper powerhouse slugfest resulting in a destruction of a city and a novel use of the Shazam lightining.
Captain Marvel's use of his transformative lightning as an offensive weapon against Superman was actually adapted from Mark Waid's
Kingdom Come mini-series/graphic novel. Good book. And I agree that the episode's director (was it Bruce Timm at the time? too lazy to look it up) did a good job with it.
I don't know if it exactly counts a superhero, but some of the fights in the Matrix trilogy were quite good, I thought.
I don't think Bruce Timm actually directed many (if any episodes) of JLU. He was more of a show-runner than director.
Other great JL/JLU fights: Superman vs. Darkseid from "Twilight," Superman vs. Amazo from "Tabula Rasa," the Justice Lords vs. Doomsday in "Better World," and a personal favourite of mine, Superman vs. Aquaman from "Terror Beyond" (it lasts all of 2 seconds, and most of that is Superman's exasperated sigh).
Nightcrawler attacking the White House and Wolverine defending the mansion from soldiers in X-men 2 both stand out to me.
The Hulk vs. the army in the desert from the first Hulk movie (it's a great scene in a problematic movie).
The Incredibles vs. Syndrome's goons before getting captured on his island is a lot of fun as well (the whole sequence, starting with Dash & Violet alone).
Not really a superhero fight, but it originated from a comic book- From the movie Oldboy, Oh Daesu kicks arse though like 30 guys, all the while taking damage, trying to get to the main office of a building, once he gets there he takes the bosses teeth out with a claw hammer.
Quote from: detourne_me on March 10, 2009, 04:38:22 PM
Not really a superhero fight, but it originated from a comic book- From the movie Oldboy, Oh Daesu kicks arse though like 30 guys, all the while taking damage, trying to get to the main office of a building, once he gets there he takes the bosses teeth out with a claw hammer.
That was my first thought and then I went "oh, comic book movie, I cant include it". I didint think of saying "manga adaption! It counts!". Amazing scene btw and I've got the soundtrack playing at work at pretty much any given moment.
Personally I love the fight between Wolvie and Lady Deathstrike in the second X-Men Movie, it was pretty brutal. I also enjoyed Daredevil vs Bullseye (minus the cgi climbing sequence), Hulk Vs Abomination and I must agree that nightcrawler scene ruled.
As for animated there where some great Spidey vs Venom battles in the old cartoons and some great duels in the old X-men animated as well. For newer stuff I havent watched that much outside of Batman but I did catch an episode where superman fought Mongul on a battle planet.
Quote from: Talavar on March 10, 2009, 04:25:24 PM
The Hulk vs. the army in the desert from the first Hulk movie (it's a great scene in a problematic movie).
Definitely the high point in the film for me, and one of my favourite superhero movie scenes of all time.
Quote from: tommyboy on March 10, 2009, 04:03:01 PM
I don't know if it exactly counts a superhero, but some of the fights in the Matrix trilogy were quite good, I thought.
The fight scenes in the first Matrix movie are definitely some of my favourites (although I'm not a fan of the movie itself). They're probably the most influential scenes in modern fight choreography since, oh, maybe the classic Golden Harvest Bruce Lee movies, Tsui Hark's early stuff, and Yuen Woo-Ping's work (particularly his collaborations with Jackie Chan and Sammo Hung).
EDIT: And since tommyboy, lugaru, and detourne_me threw in some borderline "superhero" fights into the discussion, I'll go ahead and say that the fight scenes in Nickelodeon's
Avatar: The Last Airbender cartoon are some of the best fight scenes I've seen in a made-for-TV production (animation or live-action).
Ok, Flash vs Brainiac/Luthor from JLU
Amazo vs The 1st wave of heroes in The Return. You dont see it but all the heavy hitters were there. Next scene is them all floating unconscious.
Superman vs Darkseid in Twilight
Piccolo vs Android 17 from DBZ
Brolly vs DBZ fighters in the 1st encounter.
Superman vs Phantom Zone Villains in Superman 2
Suicide Squad vs the Watchtower in JLU.
Quote from: zuludelta on March 10, 2009, 04:46:05 PM
EDIT: And since tommyboy, lugaru, and detourne_me threw in some borderline "superhero" fights into the discussion, I'll go ahead and say that the fight scenes in Nickelodeon's Avatar: The Last Airbender cartoon are some of the best fight scenes I've seen in a made-for-TV production (animation or live-action).
I must agree. Those were so well staged and animated I was amazed. The ones in the series finale (Ang vs Firelord, Katara and Zuko vs Azula especially so.
Quote from: Glitch Girl on March 10, 2009, 05:39:53 PM
Quote from: zuludelta on March 10, 2009, 04:46:05 PM
EDIT: And since tommyboy, lugaru, and detourne_me threw in some borderline "superhero" fights into the discussion, I'll go ahead and say that the fight scenes in Nickelodeon's Avatar: The Last Airbender cartoon are some of the best fight scenes I've seen in a made-for-TV production (animation or live-action).
I must agree. Those were so well staged and animated I was amazed. The ones in the series finale (Ang vs Firelord, Katara and Zuko vs Azula especially so.
That show had a team of professional fight choreographers schooled in the traditional Chinese martial arts working on it, which is why each bending school had a distinct and consistent visual style. IIRC, the movements associated with air-bending were based on Bāguàzhǎng (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baguazhang), Northern Shaolin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Shaolin) for fire-bending, Tai Chi Chuan (http://tai%20chi%20chuan) for water-bending, and Hung Ga Kuen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hung_Ga) for earth-bending (although I think Toph's unique form of earth/metal-bending was based on Southern Praying Mantis Kung Fu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Praying_Mantis_(martial_art))).
SPIDERMAN 3
Spider-Man vs. Sandman (first time)
Evil Spider-Man vs. New Goblin (and I hate New Goblin)
Hulk (good one) vs. Military w/ car boxing gloves. (The Abomination fight kinda bored me)
Wanted - Wesley vs.... Everyone (at the end in slomo). How did such a terrible book become such a good movie?
Aquaman Vs. Wonder Woman in "Tabula Rasa." I always knew he could take her. ^_^ Also, Aquaman versus the military in the one where Solomon Grundy comes back from the dead. My mind has gone blank.
I rather liked some of the sword fights in Pirates of the Caribbean...the first one between Will and Capt. Jack was awesome.
Jackie Chan and Jet Li had a good fight in Forbidden City (IIRC)
In comics... Jugs(no armor) vs. Hulk. I hate to see ol' jade jaws get his butt whipped but it was a good fight.
The fight near the end of "The Quiet Man"
What do you mean John Wayne's not a super-hero?
The first fight between Luthor and Superman on Lexor.
The entire run of fights when Spider-Man fought the Sinister 6.
The Hulk Thing fight in FF #25. When Ben gets up on the last page and staggers out for round 2... you just go "Wow." I missed #26, and didn't get to see it until it was reprinted in an annual years later. It wasn't nearly as good.
Quote from: BentonGrey on March 10, 2009, 06:52:15 PM
Aquaman Vs. Wonder Woman in "Tabula Rasa." I always knew he could take her. ^_^ Also, Aquaman versus the military in the one where Solomon Grundy comes back from the dead. My mind has gone blank.
Really? Aquaman took Wonder Woman? I find that very very hard to believe. Diana is tougher than even Hercules and no way can Aquaman take Hercules. Unless Aquaman is way more powerful than I always thought.
Quote from: captmorgan72 on March 11, 2009, 03:31:07 AM
Quote from: BentonGrey on March 10, 2009, 06:52:15 PM
Aquaman Vs. Wonder Woman in "Tabula Rasa." I always knew he could take her. ^_^ Also, Aquaman versus the military in the one where Solomon Grundy comes back from the dead. My mind has gone blank.
Really? Aquaman took Wonder Woman? I find that very very hard to believe. Diana is tougher than even Hercules and no way can Aquaman take Hercules. Unless Aquaman is way more powerful than I always thought.
Giving Benton that option is folly; he'll always say Aquaman is stronger than people give him credit for (which is true, but I digress). But I agree with Cap here, Wonder Woman would hand Aquaman his scales on a plate and make him eat them.
...unless they were underwater!
The end to every aquaman fight debate.
You had to ask! ^_^
While not wanting to get into a debate, it all depends on relative power levels. At various points in their respective careers Aquaman and Wonder Woman have had wildly varying levels of strength, durability, and even their powers have been different (Wonder Woman was even powerless for a not insubstantial time!). It is worth noting, however, that Aquaman's strength level has been arguably more consistent, because often when he showed a distinct lack (occasionally happened) it was a matter of a writer not knowing about the character. If Wonder Woman is not at Superman level, which I really don't think she should be, and Aquaman is at his highest consistent water mark, than they are still not equal in strength. HOWEVER, that difference is relatively small, and he certainly can stand up to her in a fight. Aquaman has a long history of defeating foes significantly stronger (in purely physical strength) than he is. As far as his comparison to Hercules...well, I imagine he wouldn't actually come off too badly in such light, given his victories over the likes of the Deep Six (Superman level villains) and Olympian (himself described as a "Greek Superman").
And of course, underwater all bets are off.
I didn't think it was Tabula Rasa, wasn't it 'The Terror Beyond'?
Aquaman wasn't really getting anywhere with Diana when he bounced off a statue forcing WW into the water where he has a huge advantage. I'm sure it was 'Terror Beyond' although I am getting old.....
Flash vs ALternate Superman in 'A Better World' was good.
Yes, it was Terror Beyond that Aquaman beat Wonder Woman, not Tabula Rasa. Tabula Rasa is the first one with Amazo; Aquaman isn't in it. And yes, he beat her underwater.
So, if the majority of writers make him at a weaker level, and only a couple of people write him good, shouldn't he be what the majority writers say he is? I mean, the couple of writers that boost him up are wrong, aren't they?
Quote from: thanoson on March 11, 2009, 03:47:37 PM
So, if the majority of writers make him at a weaker level, and only a couple of people write him good, shouldn't he be what the majority writers say he is? I mean, the couple of writers that boost him up are wrong, aren't they?
Not the majority of writers, Thanoson, the majority of writers get his POWER level right, they just don't get the character too well. His power level has been pretty much consistent in his last three or four series. People have an idea that there is a big difference between Silver Age Aquaman (let's say pre-Crisis for simplicity sake) and modern Aquaman in terms of power level, but the truth is that because of the nature of stories being told during the Comics Code era, Aquaman writers were forced to have his "Finny Friends" solve most problems. You weren't allowed to have your hero knocking bad guys around too much back in the early 60's. So, many stories from the early 60's don't really have him doing much that displays super strength. Still, from time to time you'll see him punch through armor plate like it's tinfoil, or throw a truck or things like that. It's the occasional aberration like Super Friends or a Bob Haney story (and we all know about the weirdness of Bob Haney, right) that skews things.
Talavar, my mistake, I meant to write "Terror Beyond."
By the way Grem, Aquaman has defeated Superwoman of the CSA one on one...so, taking Wonder Woman shouldn't be too much of a stretch, right? ;)
Someone edited the Superman vs Hulk cgi video and I think it's fairly accurate what would happen if Supes decided to use lethal force.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnNZ6d9yHyY&feature=relmfu
Like a few others, Superman vs Captain Marvel was pretty epic. And although Twilight was mentioned, another one of my favorite fights was in Superman TAS's Legacy, the last fight of the series between Darkseid and Superman.
Another one of my favorites for how long it lasted was in JLU's Grudge Match with Vixen, Hawkgirl, Black Canary and Huntress vs Wonder Woman. The idea of that fight was just exciting. Speaking of girls fighting, did kinda enjoy Galetea/Supergirl fight too.
I also have to say, I know no one mentioned it and it's rather fresh, but I was pretty stoked to see the fights in The Avengers, Thor vs Hulk and Iron Man vs Thor.
BTW, Honorable Mention, the entire Ryan s Dorkman series. :)
Superhero fight? Don't really have one unless I might could include a couple of MMA fights.
or maybe Captain America vs. Batman from DC vs. Marvel
I don't know if it counts, but following the anime route, I would bring up Yuki Nagato vs Ryouko Asakura (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvmbKkmqbSM) as one of anime's crowning moments of awesome in a fight scene.
Some of the fights in Noein: Mou Hitori no Kimi e (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXN2C_q65n0) were on par with superhero fights.