Did they EVER reveal who he was?
What's the sitch with this schmo?
No, he wasn't revealed yet. He'll be revealed...one day. In the future. Or in an annual.
I give it a 50-50 shot that he's someone nobody has ever heard of, who appeared in one panel thirty years ago.
"He's Jo Schmoe!"
"Who?"
"Issue Blahblah, Third panel from the top, the guy on the left jumping out of the tank as Hulk smashes it."
"Oh."
Either that, or they'll pull a Monarch, and when someone on the Internet blabs, they'll change it at the last second.
Quote from: Valandar on January 15, 2009, 05:10:52 AM
I give it a 50-50 shot that he's someone nobody has ever heard of, who appeared in one panel thirty years ago.
"He's Jo Schmoe!"
"Who?"
"Issue Blahblah, Third panel from the top, the guy on the left jumping out of the tank as Hulk smashes it."
"Oh."
Either that, or they'll pull a Monarch, and when someone on the Internet blabs, they'll change it at the last second.
You just had to bring that up, :banghead:, Hawk and Dove were some of of favarites back in the day.
It's me.
I'm guessing it's either Glenn Talbot or maybe even Brian Banner (Bruce Banner's scientist dad). I seem to recall an issue from Paul Jenkin's Hulk run where Mr. Fantastic exhumed Brian Banner's body so he could sample some compatible DNA to cure Bruce Banner of some disease or other. Could have been some cross-contamination or something happening there >shrugs<
it would have been so much easier to just have it be a new hulk personality.
Quoteit would have been so much easier to just have it be a new hulk personality.
Unfortunately it's rarely that simple with Marvel:)
Should be obvious...
Spoiler
It's a skrull.
;)
Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on January 15, 2009, 01:42:30 PM
it would have been so much easier to just have it be a new hulk personality.
I dunno... I think they've pretty much done the "hulk multiple personality" thing to death. It's been a plot staple since the early 1980s (even before Peter David's defining run came along and really fleshed it out), and it would be nice if the writers can come up with something better than having the Red Hulk just be another heretofore unseen facet of Bruce Banner's fractured psyche.
T A L B O T
"Harvey, I'm Batman!"
oppps..wrong movie.
Quote from: zuludelta on January 15, 2009, 09:17:50 PM
Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on January 15, 2009, 01:42:30 PM
it would have been so much easier to just have it be a new hulk personality.
I dunno... I think they've pretty much done the "hulk multiple personality" thing to death. It's been a plot staple since the early 1980s (even before Peter David's defining run came along and really fleshed it out), and it would be nice if the writers can come up with something better than having the Red Hulk just be another heretofore unseen facet of Bruce Banner's fractured psyche.
And I think the book would be more interesting if it wasn't just another "Hulk" running around with no purpose other than to beat up every hero (including a large group of women who were characterized as dense gossipers post fight) in existence while talking in bold letters. I was fine with only three "Hulk" characters and their hulk-like villains running around with their own motivations, styles, and characterizations. Of course things didn't work out like that. ARGH! :(
Who said Rulk was just another guy running around beating people up? He strategically attacked a shield helicarrier.... distracting everyone with brutish attack while he accomlished his true goal. If anything this "Rulk" has proven to be ruthless, devious, and extremely goal oriented.. can't help it if a bunch of female supers decided they wanted to prove their worth by trying to stop him.
Quote from: Vertex on January 15, 2009, 09:47:48 PM
T A L B O T
Glen Talbot was my initial theory after glancing at one of the early "Red Hulk" issues. Haven't been following the series, though.
I can't recall the last time I read about Glen Talbot. I thought he died in the '70s? :o
Quote from: Xenolith on January 16, 2009, 11:44:23 PM
I can't recall the last time I read about Glen Talbot. I thought he died in the '70s? :o
Yeah, so, what's your point? ;)
Personally, I think The Rulk is a reincarnated Steve Rogers. :blink:
I just read the trade paperback and found it to be a fascinating, well-plotted exercise in adventure and suspense. This is the kind of thing I want to see in comics.
Quote from: danhagen on February 14, 2009, 05:00:42 PM
I just read the trade paperback and found it to be a fascinating, well-plotted exercise in adventure and suspense. This is the kind of thing I want to see in comics.
Wait, are you being serious?
Yes. It was fun, and the mystery of his identity was interesting. The idea of a murderous, calculating Hulk is essentially a variation on the still-forming Lee-Kirby character who appeared in first few issues of his magazine. Remember when the Hulk toyed with the idea of seizing the Toad Mens' space dreadnought and using it to dominate humanity?
And the revelation of the people who are behind the Red Hulk is an echo of the series' decades-long, overarching theme: Who is the real monster?
Quote from: danhagen on February 14, 2009, 05:39:10 PM
Yes. It was fun, and the mystery of his identity was interesting. The idea of a murderous, calculating Hulk is essentially a variation on the still-forming Lee-Kirby character who appeared in first few issues of his magazine. Remember when the Hulk toyed with the idea of seizing the Toad Mens' space dreadnought and using it to dominate humanity?
And the revelation of the people who are behind the Red Hulk is an echo of the series' decades-long, overarching theme: Who is the real monster?
Are you Loeb? Because if you are, you have to tell me or this is entrapment. The calculating Hulk thing has been done at least twice Grey Hulk and Maestro. Did I miss something else about Rulk because they haven't revealed very much besides Thunderbolt and Doc Samson (I don't know why Leo would all of a sudden become not only "evil" but start working against his friends). The only thing that was entertaining was the art.
I haven't followed the Hulk closely in recent years, so it's new to me and I enjoyed it. And no, my name is Dan hagen.
I actually really like Red Hulk. I totally believe it's Talbot who is Rulk. His combat/military training shows through in his dialogue and when he defeated Hulk by outfighting him and when he defeated Thor by outsmarting him with strategy. He seems often surprised at what he can do in "his new body". Seem to me that he possesses all of the Hulk's abilities minus the "rage factor" getting stronger as he grows angrier. So that would place him in the same powerset as Professor Hulk. Of course in round two Thor nearly defeats him and Hulk grows so angry that his strength rockets to Saturn and he knocks out Rulk with a haymaker. Makes sense to me.
Many often complain that Thor should never have been defeated by Rulk. I ask why? Thor has almost always been owned by Hulk in the past. While it's true that Rulk doesn't grow stronger as he gets angrier like Hulk, he does though have the same strength as say Professor Hulk. Using that along with the strategy he used was enough to beat Thor, though this trick would only work once. I know how he did it is controversial but hey, Mjolnir was moved around in space by Iron Man before, so other writers also used this angle. So far, Thor doesn't seem to tap the "Odin Force" when he fights for some reason, he only used it to summon Asgard/Asgardians. Perhaps if he used it to fight Rulk, the outcome would have been different.
He CAN'T use the Odinforce like that. He can do almost anything with it but not often. I think he can only use it like once a year or something like that. Thus he only uses it if he has no other way of accomplishing his goal.
Quote from: marhawkman on February 16, 2009, 12:27:27 PM
He CAN'T use the Odinforce like that. He can do almost anything with it but not often. I think he can only use it like once a year or something like that. Thus he only uses it if he has no other way of accomplishing his goal.
We saw him use it in three issues back to back to awaken the lost Asgardians. I don't think it is a question of if he has the Odin force I think it boils down what can he do with it? So far we've seen him disrupt satellites in Cap's honor, awaken Asgardians, and defeat Bor and the Destroyer. He obviously doesn't have the control Odin did. Odin was all seeing yet Thor is constantly be dupe or tricked by Loki. If anything I think having the Odin force and being able to use it to its fullest are different things.
Actually Thor didn't use the Odin force to defeat the destroyer. He used it to release the Asgardians and Balder was released from the armour. So in a sense I guess he did but not really. Also, what issue did he defeat Odin's father, I must be missing that issue?
Quote from: captmorgan72 on February 17, 2009, 12:44:27 AM
Actually Thor didn't use the Odin force to defeat the destroyer. He used it to release the Asgardians and Balder was released from the armour. So in a sense I guess he did but not really. Also, what issue did he defeat Odin's father, I must be missing that issue?
Thor had to have used the Odin power to defeat Bal-Destroyer because he has never defeated the Destroyer on his own.
Crap spoiler on the Bor thing.
Quote from: AfghanAnt on February 17, 2009, 03:34:14 AMQuote from: captmorgan72 on February 17, 2009, 12:44:27 AMActually Thor didn't use the Odin force to defeat the destroyer. He used it to release the Asgardians and Balder was released from the armour. So in a sense I guess he did but not really. Also, what issue did he defeat Odin's father, I must be missing that issue?
Thor had to have used the Odin power to defeat Bal-Destroyer because he has never defeated the Destroyer on his own.
Crap spoiler on the Bor thing.
What morgan was saying is that the Odinforce was used once to both stop the destroyer AND resurrect the Asgardians.
as for Thor's control, I don't think Odin used the Odinforce to sense things. He had a seperate ability that let him do that.
Quote from: marhawkman on February 17, 2009, 07:13:29 AM
Quote from: AfghanAnt on February 17, 2009, 03:34:14 AMQuote from: captmorgan72 on February 17, 2009, 12:44:27 AMActually Thor didn't use the Odin force to defeat the destroyer. He used it to release the Asgardians and Balder was released from the armour. So in a sense I guess he did but not really. Also, what issue did he defeat Odin's father, I must be missing that issue?
Thor had to have used the Odin power to defeat Bal-Destroyer because he has never defeated the Destroyer on his own.
Crap spoiler on the Bor thing.
What morgan was saying is that the Odinforce was used once to both stop the destroyer AND resurrect the Asgardians.
as for Thor's control, I don't think Odin used the Odinforce to sense things. He had a seperate ability that let him do that.
Odin had the power to see the future while he he was sleeping. Is that what you're thinking of?
Quote from: marhawkman on February 17, 2009, 07:13:29 AM
Quote from: AfghanAnt on February 17, 2009, 03:34:14 AMQuote from: captmorgan72 on February 17, 2009, 12:44:27 AMActually Thor didn't use the Odin force to defeat the destroyer. He used it to release the Asgardians and Balder was released from the armour. So in a sense I guess he did but not really. Also, what issue did he defeat Odin's father, I must be missing that issue?
Thor had to have used the Odin power to defeat Bal-Destroyer because he has never defeated the Destroyer on his own.
Crap spoiler on the Bor thing.
What morgan was saying is that the Odinforce was used once to both stop the destroyer AND resurrect the Asgardians.
as for Thor's control, I don't think Odin used the Odinforce to sense things. He had a seperate ability that let him do that.
What I was saying was, there is no way Thor could have fought the Destroyer in hand to hand combat to a standstill without the Odinforce empowering him. To prove my statement go read Jurgen's Mighty Thor: The Reign. Thor had do a similar feat when fighting Desak-Destroyer. So either A) Resurrected Thor's base powers increased or B) Odinforce explains his increased strength, invulnerability (in the past Thor has always used his hammer to shield him from bullets or projectiles but he didn't when he went to Africa), and other new abilities such Thor-sleep.
I disagree with your assumption on Odin's separate ability because The Reigning Thor was almost omnipotent and more God-like than he has ever been before (and hopefully again).
My whole problem with his fight with Rulk is, there is no way a Gamma powered human could defeat fully powered Odinforce Thor. So either Loeb ignored that Thor had the Odinforce (which is most likely) or Thor doesn't have complete control of the Odinforce (probably the way he will be written until Balder inherits the power himself).
Quote from: GhostMachine on February 17, 2009, 02:31:49 PM
Quote from: marhawkman on February 17, 2009, 07:13:29 AM
Quote from: AfghanAnt on February 17, 2009, 03:34:14 AMQuote from: captmorgan72 on February 17, 2009, 12:44:27 AMActually Thor didn't use the Odin force to defeat the destroyer. He used it to release the Asgardians and Balder was released from the armour. So in a sense I guess he did but not really. Also, what issue did he defeat Odin's father, I must be missing that issue?
Thor had to have used the Odin power to defeat Bal-Destroyer because he has never defeated the Destroyer on his own.
Crap spoiler on the Bor thing.
What morgan was saying is that the Odinforce was used once to both stop the destroyer AND resurrect the Asgardians.
as for Thor's control, I don't think Odin used the Odinforce to sense things. He had a seperate ability that let him do that.
Odin had the power to see the future while he he was sleeping. Is that what you're thinking of?
Yes and it is called Thor-Sleep now which JMS stated was a new ability because of the Odinforce.
AfghanAnt, there is no doubt that the odin-force can make it's host one of the most powerful beings in all of creation. However the host would have to know how to tap into this incalculable cosmic/mystic power and know how to use it for what ever purpose they desire. Odin was hundreds of thousands of years old. He had learned how to use this power with great control and purpose. Thor is still just a kid in the eyes of other gods. Heck, Hercules is much older than Thor is.
During the Reigning Thor uses the power in very destructive/dark ways. The power itself seems to have an intelligence of it's own, almost like a symbiote. It deemed Thor unworthy to have it if I remember correctly during a point in the Reigning story line. I guess my point is that Thor has not yet grasped how to use the power as well as his father. I don't think that because he has the power now, that all of his attributes like strength, constitution, etc has been massively increased. Odin would still have been knocked out by the Hulk if the Hulk pounded the crap out of him. Unless of course he used the power to increase his invulnerability.
Knowing how Thor is, he wouldn't tap into it during personal combat, he would rely on his own abilities which most of the time is more than enough to defeat his foes. Rulk only beat him because of the strategy he used, one that would only work once. Round two was very different, Thor was beating him and Rulk knew it. He even admitted it to Hulk.
So yeah, if Thor used the power to put himself in the same power class as say Living Tribunal then nobody would be able to hurt him. I would imagine though that this sort of control will not come for hundreds of thousands of years if it will at all.
actually i think that its prolly some big name like stark or maybe even betty cuz its in a different reality. Hence, why the watcher showed up and was punched out b4 he could do his "what if" speech. It would also explain why he's never been mentioned in any other 616 comic.
btw-im a noob...
Really, All that Rulk is in Marvel is them to jump on the Color bandwagon like DC is with the Green Lanterns. Soon Rulk will be back and Hulk will have trouble untill all of the Sudden the Blue Hulk "Blulk" shows up. But instead of getting mad the more hope he has the stronger he gets. But before they are able to beat Rulk the scary Yellow Hulk shows up "Yulk" and so on and so forth until Banner's dead Dad shows up as the Black Hulk "Bulk"
Quote from: Ares_God_of_War on February 18, 2009, 08:55:24 AM
Really, All that Rulk is in Marvel is them to jump on the Color bandwagon like DC is with the Green Lanterns. Soon Rulk will be back and Hulk will have trouble untill all of the Sudden the Blue Hulk "Blulk" shows up. But instead of getting mad the more hope he has the stronger he gets. But before they are able to beat Rulk the scary Yellow Hulk shows up "Yulk" and so on and so forth until Banner's dead Dad shows up as the Black Hulk "Bulk"
:lol: Marvel, hire this guy!
Quote from: captmorgan72 on February 18, 2009, 03:57:58 AM
Knowing how Thor is, he wouldn't tap into it during personal combat, he would rely on his own abilities which most of the time is more than enough to defeat his foes. Rulk only beat him because of the strategy he used, one that would only work once. Round two was very different, Thor was beating him and Rulk knew it. He even admitted it to Hulk.
I still disagree with the strategy, My main objection is Rulk was just another new guy they had to show how tough he was by beating up the old guard. As usual it felt like in freedom force where the player was running Rulk and the PC was running the other guys. Probably with the difficulty tweaked so he could do disproportionate damage.