With Age of Extinction coming lets remind ourselves how Michael Bay picked on our childhood.Well at least Sheyla LaBuff isnt in AoE.I hope they dont ruin the Dinobots.
P.S: Sorry if there was already a subject.
Ok, so I am a bit of a Transformers fan (although I am no Valander... anyone heard from that guy?) and I am looking forward to giving this movie a shot. I enjoyed the first movie. It was very fast paced and like all (well almost) TF stories contains WAY too much human elements (Just give me big freakin' robots in space who can turn into things already!), but I am still fond of the first TF movie of the Bayverse.
The second movie... I just want to forget it happened. Honestly, I don't count it at all. The only mentions we have in the next sequel is Sam saving the world twice and his girlfriend leaving... I don't need that waste of a movie to fill in those holes. I know it is an internet joke but it really felt like Bay said, "The storyline must suffer so that I can get the beautiful shots that I want."
Moving on,
I loved, LOVED Dark of the Moon. It had some faults, but overall I had fun for the entire ride. The human element was still distracting, but the storyline actually made sense and the action was amazing. There are plenty of things I would have liked to have seen done differently (If I were making the perfect movie for myself), but I can overlook those for what DotM does right.
I like the redesigns for AoE. I hope they are explained well. I always liked Bayverse Optimus and Bumblebee, but the new designs look sleeker and I am sure they will look better on screen. The old designs were so complicated that it was often difficult to tell what you were looking at. I just wish they would stop trying to make the TF's (mostly Autobots) human. They don't need hair or beards (I am talking about Hound/Bulkhead who I will forever refer to as Bulkhound... Yeah, it doesn't work... nevermind....)
Bay keeps much of the story underwraps. So I have no idea how the Dinobots will play in, other than Optimus riding in on Grimlock's back to save the day. Which honestly leads me to believe the Dinobots will be more G1 cartoon intelligence than any other version... which I hope is not true. They need to be a very brutal strikeforce who are known to operate on the edge of what is acceptable of being an Autobot... At least when someone is looking.
Like TMNT this could be a big disappointment... but the franchise has proven to be able to bounce back from a terrible movie (that still made a crap load of money). I reserve final judgement until I see it.
Wow dude that was a novel.I have been a transformers fan since Armada.Im too young to remember G1 so yeah...What bugged me MOST,other than stupid charachter designs,is the awfull charachterisation.Mute BumbleBee?Psychotic Ironhide?Jazz killed of so easily?Starscream with 2 lines of dialogue?Megatron and Optimus hinted as brothers?But Optimus is the most messed up part.After Megatron saves him from Sentinel Prime,he backstabs Megatron and executes injured Sentinel.Seriously Decepticons wouldnt do that :banghead:
Yeah... I tend to do that.
I agree the Bayverse is very different in the characterization of the bots... Ratchet came off more like a Rhinox to me. Ironhide seemed more like himself in DotM. I agree with you that is what the Bayverse has gotten wrong. None of the bots are anything like the TFs they are supposed to represent.
I would have loved for someone else to have gotten ahold of the franchise and rebooted it.
Do you read the IDW comics? If so, there is a dead thread in the comics section we can resurrect...
Urg...the Transformers movies lost all claim on my wallet long, long ago. The first one was watchable and not much else, and at the end of the day, Bay is just a terrible filmmaker. He makes big, bright, loud, and stupid movies, and I want more than that, especially from characters I love.
I just have no hope that this movie will be good, yet I would KILL for a great TF movie. I love these characters and their setting. In fact, the Dinobots are some of my favorites, as is true with just about everyone, I suppose.
Anyway, how are the IDW books these days? I had really high hopes when they started with the book years ago, but they lost me along the way. I hear mixed things about the new ones. I really, REALLY miss the fantastic Dreamwave series.
Benton, at the risk of de-railing this thread,
I love the IDW books, more so than the Dreamwave books. I recently stopped reading the current issues (I am buying digital and I have been waiting for the prices to drop to $1.99 before I buy them. So I was caught up and tired of waiting) and I have been reading through the storyline from the beginning. So far Escalation has been my favorite part of the early stuff, and I love that for the most part there has been a singular story that has been building.
My favorite series was definitely More Than Meets The Eye. It followed the crew of the Lost Light who have been searching (actually they started searching but became distracted along the way) for the Knights of Cybertron who Rodimus believes will help them bring back the Golden Age of Cybertron. If you like the thought of robots exploring in space, you should like this book.
Of course after the events of the most recent story Rodimus gave up his position as captain to ... Spoiler
Megatron! That's right the Big M is sporting an Autobot badge these days. I stopped reading the current stuff before this took place so I am not sure how this came about.
First movie is booged down by American Pie style humor.And all of them have a problem balancing human charachters.Sam comes of as kinda pointless.BTW Vin Diesel was hinted for the AoE but fat chance of that.
Never been a fan of these movies, but to me the #1 problem is too much humans and not enough robots as characters. The robots mostly feel like their just there for action.
Quote from: Podmark on May 25, 2014, 05:23:39 PM
Never been a fan of these movies, but to me the #1 problem is too much humans and not enough robots as characters. The robots mostly feel like their just there for action.
Which is to much zoomed in to actually enjoy any of it.Seriosly a fight between giant robots and all we see are car carburators flashing left and right.
Yeah, it's funny...pretty much every person I've ever heard talk about the Transformers movies, whether good or bad, has always said, "too much human, not enough Transformers." You'd think that they'd get the message by now. :P
Really, you like the IDW books better than Dreamwave? Dreamwave was SOOOO good! Perhaps we should revive that other thread. I'm willing to be sold, but you'll have to convince me. :D
Quote from: XStream on May 24, 2014, 02:00:21 AM
Benton, at the risk of de-railing this thread,
I love the IDW books, more so than the Dreamwave books. I recently stopped reading the current issues (I am buying digital and I have been waiting for the prices to drop to $1.99 before I buy them. So I was caught up and tired of waiting) and I have been reading through the storyline from the beginning. So far Escalation has been my favorite part of the early stuff, and I love that for the most part there has been a singular story that has been building.
My favorite series was definitely More Than Meets The Eye. It followed the crew of the Lost Light who have been searching (actually they started searching but became distracted along the way) for the Knights of Cybertron who Rodimus believes will help them bring back the Golden Age of Cybertron. If you like the thought of robots exploring in space, you should like this book.
Of course after the events of the most recent story Rodimus gave up his position as captain to ... Spoiler
Megatron! That's right the Big M is sporting an Autobot badge these days. I stopped reading the current stuff before this took place so I am not sure how this came about.
Anyway, you want to talk about it anymore there is a dead thread in comics we can resurrect.
Whaaat?How the hell is Megatron Autobot?
@T Anyone other than me liked Armada?Or some other continuity we could disscuss?
Spade, for the last couple of years the war has been over. That's right Cybertron is united and the three factions (Autobot, Decepticon, and unaligned bots) have been trying to find a way to live peacefully. Of course it hasn't work out so well.
Oh, and Benton definitely go back to that old thread. I would love to discuss this book with someone. I love the depth of the story. I haven't read the past six months of issues or so because I have gone back and started reading the original stuff in order including the Spotlights. The first mini series was a little lacking, but the second (Escalation) was really enjoyable and mysterious. We learn why the bots left Cybertron. I am really looking forward to reading The Last Stand of the Wreckers. I have read it is one of the best minis and set the bar for what is going on now.
Back on topic
New Trailers that include better looking (finished) CGI and with new clips! Check them out linked on one of my fav TF sites Seibertron.com
http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/two-new-transformers-age-of-extinction-tv-spots-with-new-footage/30348/ (http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/two-new-transformers-age-of-extinction-tv-spots-with-new-footage/30348/)
I didnt read the comics,I never got to that.
AoE looks good.But trailers always look good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ik2ikgOyNU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ik2ikgOyNU)
Honest trailer for ROTF is out.Brutal as always.
I liked the first one, but the rest are just junk. What's the point of having a Dinobot if he's can't transform???
I haven't been able to understand much of any of the plot in any of these movies that I've seen. However, the effects were cool. Cool enough for me to wait for DVD.
^Well they are made by Michael Bay.All he can do are special effects.
Quote from: Spade on June 18, 2014, 12:38:52 PM
^Well they are made by Michael Bay.All he can do are special effects.
Agreed, but should he really even get credit for that? It's the sfx artists working hard on those for little recognition. I'd say more of the films success is on them. I'm sure Bay does have a lot of control over that but I don't think he's doing a good job even there.
I was more worried how did Spilberg allowed his name to be shown on the movies.I mean how did he mess up so much?
Quote from: Spade on June 19, 2014, 04:33:28 AM
I was more worried how did Spilberg allowed his name to be shown on the movies.I mean how did he mess up so much?
Spielburg is a HUGE Transformers fan.. he has stated this numberous times during his early envolvement as a producer of Michael Bay's films. However, Michael Bay just goes all out in effects and CGI with his odd sense of humor which train wrecked the last two movies in the "Spike Trilogy". Michael Bay promised the producers that the new films would be a big change with a huge shift in the actors involved just to get the financing this time around.
Plus I'm sure that there are some geeks in suits at Paramount Pictures which are pushing for a G.I. Joe and Transformers crossover since they are owned by the same studio. If Batman vs Superman is a blowout, I wouldn't be surprised we would see Sony pull this card.
- CQ
^Hes fallen on hard these last few years.I cant really remember any of his later movies :/
Quote from: Spade on June 19, 2014, 09:43:31 AM
^Hes fallen on hard these last few years.I cant really remember any of his later movies :/
Bay or Speilburg?
Bay never had a good movie IMO.
I was thinking Spilberg.
Bay has had two good movies, IMO: The Rock and the first Transformers film. The Bad Boys film are good for a mindless laugh, that's about it.
Spielberg hasn't fall on hard times ... he just makes fewer films. His last two were War Horse and Lincoln. Daniel Day Lewis won a Best Actor Academy Award and Golden Globe for Lincoln.
^Still,compare it to his earlier works.
Quote from: Spade on June 20, 2014, 05:15:31 AM
^Still,compare it to his earlier works.
Speilburg is more of a Producer these days, his Directorial efforts are more artistic passion projects and he does them more for himself and those who follow that particular genre that film fits into. He is fully behind the upcoming online HALO series based on the games as a producer and has several on his director's slate including Indiana Jones 5 (without Lucas involved so there isn't risk of aliens or bad dialogue). I think he is done with just making movies for the sake of doing blockbusters every few years and enjoying giving other young upcoming Directors a chance by producing their ideas. He isn't really a hard core comic book lover but his CGI films of The Adventures Of Tin Tin was his contribution in that genre.
- CQ
Transformers arent his greatest work.
Quote from: Spade on June 20, 2014, 11:24:05 AM
Transformers arent his greatest work.
Arguably its hard to actually attribute transformers to Spielberg. A producer has a lot of involvement and stake in a production, but less of an artistic or direction role.
Only Bay can be blamed for the atrocities that are the transformers films.
War Horse was an amazing film, even if it can't hold a candle to the stage production. He's a long way from losing his edge as a director, even if he isn't spotlighting like he used to.
^Maybe if he had more involvment,who knows?
At first Bay said he wouldnt do the AoE but he still did,so Im not optimistic about this.
QuoteBut Optimus is the most messed up part.After Megatron saves him from Sentinel Prime,he backstabs Megatron and executes injured Sentinel.Seriously Decepticons wouldnt do that
They do in the video game! :thumbup: Seriously. In one of the first levels of War for Cybertron, Megatron executes Autobots
in a firing line. Those games are kinda dark.
And awesome. AND in the (also awesome) Transformers Prime cartoon. Near the end of the second season:
Spoiler
Megatron straight up murders one of his own men by blowing a hole straight through his chest.[/i]
I don't like these films.
The fact that a 710 MILLION dollar film franchise has four films out (I have not seen the new one) and STILL hasn't been as good as the weaker episodes of a low budget cartoon from the 80's based on a line of imported Japanese robot toys is really lame. Especially when Pacific Rim did it better in every conceivable way on a lower budget and bombed. And when the War for Cybertron video game series got it spot on (so naturally they made the newest one in the series suck AND look like the movies!)
There are four films called "Transformers" yet they have yet to actually make a Transformers movie (except for the animated one, of course). The characters I continue to enjoy on television to this day certainly haven't been portrayed on film in any meaningful way. Only Optimus Prime has any lasting presence and that's only because they got his original voice actor to bring his gravitas to the role (quite possible the only good thing to come out of this series) Shockwave and Soundwave, two of the most iconic characters in the franchise, both appeared in these films, yet neither of them displayed the personalities or quirks that made them memorable enough to warrant appearing in the films in the first place. (That Shockwave actually LOOKS like Shockwave, and that Soundwave has his original voice actor is a nice consolation prize). Leonard Nemoy in the third film sounded like he was on his death bed. And the fact that anyone involved thought "The Twins" were a good idea speaks very poorly to the people who work on this series. The only female Autobot in the whole film series dies in her first scene and has one or two lines. Drift, one of the most universally derided characters in the franchise appears in the newest film, and from the looks of it he is actually LAMER than he was in the comics! (and keep in mind, I LIKE Drift in the comics). Lockdown, one of my favorite characters to come out of this franchise in the last few years (he's basically Boba Fett mixed with the Predator), is in this film and I have no confidence that Bay and his cronies will portray him 1/3rd as well as Lance Henrickson did in the cartoon.
The humor is awful. The mecha design is ugly. The action uses far too much jitter cam. The human characters aren't very compelling and often are irritating. The actresses for the female leads can't act. The third film is far too long. And lastly, of course, the titular Transformers are bit players in their own movie.
While I have not seen the new film I have been informed by a reviewer I trust that A) the special effects, the biggest draw in this film series are the WORST they've ever been (and
apparently resemble Playstation 2 graphics!) And B) this one's a spoiler:
Spoiler
The heavily-marketed Dinobots barely appear in the film. Cool story bro!
I don't think there's really anything else to say.
More or less my thoughts exactly.
Yeah,maybe Megatron would do that,but is it in charachter for Optimus?HELL NO.
Thats not even being anti-hero,thats being a dick.
Yeah I didn't like that. And if they really wanted to sell me on that, maybe they should have given Optimus something resembling a character arc so I'd actually care.
You know want the ironic thing is? I've always kinda thought of Optimus as a bit of broad "fearless leader" type (one of the reasons I actually prefer Optimus Primal from Beast Wars - he actually had both a sense of humor at times AND a temper, making him feel more fleshed out), yet Peter Cullen makes up for that by injecting a lot of impact into the voice, and he's only gotten better with age since now he sells the hell out of the "veteran old guy who really cares for his crew" vibe. A scene with him from the third season of Transformers Prime
Spoiler
where he almost dies, and is willing to let that show's resident Hot-Rod stand-in take over in his place.
Which is a hell of lot more than I can ever say for those godawful Micheal Bay films.
And to think, cartoons have a stigma for being dumb shallow children's entertainment.
Well,people are stupid.If they see its animated they label it as FOR KIDS.
Time to talk about Transformers movies again.
So, it was recently reported that the TF movies will be getting spinoffs by different creative teams.
It's just been reported that Robert Kirkman will be part of that creative team. (http://spinoff.comicbookresources.com/2015/05/20/robert-kirkman-working-on-transformers-spinoff-films)
This is pretty big news. The Walking Dead is huge these days and now you can say "the Walking Dead guy is doing Transformers" Mind you, the last season and a half of the show has sucked zombie guts, but I digest.
I'm of mixed feelings about this. On the one hand, the three other guys include someone who worked on Lost (and Amazing Spider-Man 2, but I won't hold that against him), someone who worked on the first Iron Man, and someone who is working on the sequel to Pacific Rim but also worked on X-Men 3.
On the other hand, I think Robert Kirkman is an incredibly poor writer, and since I don't really care for his work and like him even less as a person I can't support any of his work, even if it's an incredibly promising Beast Wars movie.
Incidentally, I have now seen the 4th TF movie, and I have to take back some of the stuff I said earlier in this thread, because I actually enjoyed it. It's at least the best since the original.
http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/644341-michael-bay-confirms-he-will-direct-transformers-5#/slide/1 (http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/644341-michael-bay-confirms-he-will-direct-transformers-5#/slide/1)
Michael Bay is directing Transformers 5,but this is the last time,he swears.Just like the previous 4 last times.
And Krang is the villain of TMNT 2.