Cap's back...kinda

[bearded]

where is nomad these days?  nomad's going to kick bucky all over the place.

[Podmark]

where is nomad these days?  nomad's going to kick bucky all over the place.

He was dying of cancer or something and was shot by Bucky as part of Lukin/Skulls plan.

[Zippo]

Personally, I'm really enjoying Bucky as Cap. I'd always found Cap to be pretty boring, frankly, before this (perhaps because I'm not American and therefore don't really have the same sense of patriotism/identification with Cap). His costume is looking way better in the comics than it did in the first images we were shown of it, and his gun use makes total sense.
I think it's being handled very well. I mean, Bucky isn't Steve so he shouldn't just drop everything and become a carbon copy of him. You can tell that he is trying to do him justice and I get the sense that he's easing the gun out as he becomes more familiar with the shield. Which again, makes total sense. He's trained in firearms, so not using at first would put him at a terrible disadvantage, but he's making the transition to honor Steve, which is great.
Like I was saying, I've never really been able to identify with Cap, but now I'm really getting sucked into this book.

[Protomorph]

I'm just hoping they don't make him go all "Azrael" or "Superpatriot"

[Outcast]

You can tell that he is trying to do him justice and I get the sense that he's easing the gun out as he becomes more familiar with the shield. Which again, makes total sense. He's trained in firearms, so not using at first would put him at a terrible disadvantage, but he's making the transition to honor Steve, which is great.
Like I was saying, I've never really been able to identify with Cap, but now I'm really getting sucked into this book.

So, if they are making Bucky act more like the original Captain America. I can't help but get the feeling that Steve Rogers won't be coming back. So far, have they given any hints/clues/leads in the story that might still suggest that Steve Rogers isn't really dead? If there are, I'm  really curious to know what these are. Just so i can get some idea how they plan on bringing him back if ever. Or do you get the feeling it won't be anytime soon either?

[murs47]

You can tell that he is trying to do him justice and I get the sense that he's easing the gun out as he becomes more familiar with the shield. Which again, makes total sense. He's trained in firearms, so not using at first would put him at a terrible disadvantage, but he's making the transition to honor Steve, which is great.
Like I was saying, I've never really been able to identify with Cap, but now I'm really getting sucked into this book.

So, if they are making Bucky act more like the original Captain America. I can't help but get the feeling that Steve Rogers won't be coming back. So far, have they given any hints/clues/leads in the story that might still suggest that Steve Rogers isn't really dead? If there are, I'm  really curious to know what these are. Just so i can get some idea how they plan on bringing him back if ever. Or do you get the feeling it won't be anytime soon either?

I haven't spotted any clues. They could bring Steve back with this whole Secret Invasion/Skrull thing, but that would be mighty lame and I really don't see Bru resorting to something like that.

[GhostMachine]

I think Steve will probably be back by issue #50.

Marvel already has a way to bring Steve back that I'm surprised no one has mentioned yet (I think)....

Cloning.

After the Red Skull died of old age due to the effects of the gas that put him into suspended animation wore off, his mind was placed in a cloned body by Arnim Zola that was a duplicate of Steve, even including the Super Soldier formula. Why can't it be done to the REAL Cap?

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You may all slap your foreheads and go "Doh! Why didn't I think of that?!" now.

[Podmark]

While I'm sure Steve will be back eventually, Bru's story has always seemed more about Bucky, so I'm not really expecting Cap back soon. It would probably undermine most of what Bru has tried to do.

[Previsionary]

"Real" Steve will be back later this year as part of the invader's story, no? It's said that story will actually affect the main universe.

At the August 2007 Wizard World Chicago Convention, an image of Captain America surrounded by flames embossed with the word "RETURN" was revealed, created by legendary artist Alex Ross, signifying his return to Marvel. On August 14th, 2007, Marvel has revealed that there will be a new 12 issue maxi-series prelimary entitled "Avengers/Invaders," giving a name to the image revealed at W.W. Chicago. According to Ross, who will be doing covers and design work for the series, it is a series that will return the young WW2 Captain America (Steve Rogers) to modern continuity, along with the other four original Invaders created in the 1940's: Human Torch, Toro, Bucky, and Namor. They will appear in the mainstream Marvel Universe of the present, returning at the height of their powers and popularity, as they were in 1942, to encounter both the New Avengers and Mighty Avengers, plus certain characters who have been in the Avengers in the past. The series will launch in 2008.

[Podmark]

"Real" Steve will be back later this year as part of the invader's story, no? It's said that story will actually affect the main universe.

I doubt that story will have much if any impact on Bru's Cap. At best young Cap will meet his successor, probably a passing of the torch moment.

[detourne_me]

I think Steve will probably be back by issue #50.

Marvel already has a way to bring Steve back that I'm surprised no one has mentioned yet (I think)....

Cloning.

After the Red Skull died of old age due to the effects of the gas that put him into suspended animation wore off, his mind was placed in a cloned body by Arnim Zola that was a duplicate of Steve, even including the Super Soldier formula. Why can't it be done to the REAL Cap?

.....

You may all slap your foreheads and go "Doh! Why didn't I think of that?!" now.

[spoiler]if you've read the latest ish,  seems like zola's gonna get his hands on the embryo of steve and sharon...[/spoiler]

[danhagen]

Cloning? That didn't go so well with Spider-Man. To put it mildly.

[NeoDarke]

Cloning? That didn't go so well with Spider-Man. To put it mildly.

Depends on how ya look at it, I mean, how many clones does Pete have left? I miss Ben Reilly. :(

[Previsionary]

IIRC, the clone saga started off well enough, dragged on for tooooo long, and then ended badly. That was during Marvel's "unstable" period as well and people have this undying love for Ben Reily now...but ultimately, clones running around haven't lead to the best of stories in the media in general. Though, I must say, the clone saga in Ultimate spider-man was handled much better.

[Talavar]

With a long character history involving Cosmic Cubes, and in a book that's already featured one, is it that hard to think of a way Steve Rogers could be brought back?

[Destroyer1717]

I, for one, would like to let the Steve remain dead for a while - say until issue ~70.  I like where Bucky's going right now.

[GhostMachine]

I believe I read somewhere that one of the reasons Steve was killed off was the keep him out of Secret Invasion.

I picked up my comics yesterday, and issue #35 was pretty good. Didn't like the cliffhanger and the end, and I don't like where I think it may be going....

[mrmajic]

Captain America has been a must read book since Brubaker took over as writer.  I read in an interview where Brubaker talked about pitching the idea of killing off Captain America to Marvel.  When the story was approved, he spent the first two years on the book setting this moment up.  Having Bucky take over for Cap has been handled really well.  It's quite an engaging read and my personal favorite run on the book since the Waid/Garney days or Gruenwald/Lim or John Byrne or Jack Kirby and Stan Lee.  It's a keeper. :thumbup:

[mrmajic]

where is nomad these days?  nomad's going to kick bucky all over the place.

I think Nomad had to return his copy of Lone Wolf and Cub to the video store. :P

[NeoDarke]

where is nomad these days?  nomad's going to kick bucky all over the place.

I think Nomad had to return his copy of Lone Wolf and Cub to the video store. :P

Hasn't he been needing to do that for a while now?

[Talavar]

Cap 36 was out today, and I'll just say that those against the character using a gun are going to be sorely displeased with this issue.

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While he doesn't do anything like knee-capping people, he does basically use his pistol as a potentially lethal weapon.  In a fight with the Serpent Society, all armed with guns, Bucky shoots a number of them, torso, police-style shots meant to take a person down quickly.

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Now, I'm not rabidly against the gun-use, and this certainly isn't an Azrael-esque interpretation of the character, as some have suggested, but I'm not sure that I like it either.

[danhagen]

Those sorely displeased will include creator Joe Simon, by the way. Check out the latest Alter Ego on that score.

[the_ultimate_evil]

[spoiler][/spoiler]

the page in question

[spoiler]seriously one panel he used the gun, and it was to stop people who were trying to murder a government official. i would understand that if he emptied the mag and splattered them against the wall punisher style, but if this had happened in any cop based comic, i don't think people wouldn't bat an eyelid. in all honestly i've seen worse in many pg13 movies and some children's anime[/spoiler]

just my views if you disagree, thats fine but keep it civial

[BentonGrey]

Well...I think I've made my view perfectly clear about the larger issue here, but I would like to say something about that page.  From what I can see, those are both INTENTIONALLY non-fatal, non-permanently damaging shots.  I don't think he should be using a gun, especially in a series that doesn't question itself more than this is supposed to be doing (if his gun use was a subject of actual study IN the story, I'd be much more open to it), but if he is going to, that's what I would want to see.

[Talavar]

Well, he does also...

[spoiler]
light up Crossbones with a bunch of torso shots.
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That said, I'm not that against it. 

[Previsionary]

I must say that the spoilers i read here made the scene sound a little more gruesome than what I saw in the panel. I wont respond with my thoughts until I actually read the issue at hand and figure out the situation as I don't want to form any sort of opinion on some one else's word.

[GhostMachine]

Bucky's a good enough shot that he doesn't have to inflict fatal shots to put people down. That said, however, I wouldn't mind it if he intentionally killed Dr. Faustus or the Red Skull if that was the only option.

[GhostMachine]

Okay, I picked up my comics today (Cap #35 and Wonder Woman #18 - was supposed to have FX #1 also, but Diamond didn't send the comics shop any copies, despite them ordering some), and I don't think Bucky shooting the villains was quite as bad as it was made out to be - or didn't, until I saw that he apparently nailed the Eel with a gutshot.

What I'm surprised about is that no one even mentioned Bucky stabbing Crossbones in the leg....

[Bujin]

As much as I'm a fan of traditional, square-jawed heroes, I think Brubaker has handled Bucky's gun use very well so far.  He treats the role as that of a soldier - he's willing to use a gun to get the job done, but isn't portrayed as any sort of ultra-violent psycho.

It's very much consistent with his role as Bucky in the earlier issues of this run.  I'm diggin' the entire storyline.

[Previsionary]

latest cap is out and I pretty much enjoyed the issue. The gun problem people have seems to alternate between issues as I don't recall their being any gun use at all this issue. Some of the things I addressed earlier were brought up in this issue:

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A) Bucky using the mantle of Captain America to move on from his past though he still has nightmares

B) Certain characters weren't exactly happy about Tony's choice for the new cap

C) another surprise ending and some of you may have been right about someone being duplicated...or are you?

D) Oh, Bucky is still training with the shield so he's not a pro at it yet.

E) The public doesn't accept him as captain america yet which is nice since it's not forced on us.