Spider-Man 3

[The Pwime]

DAAAAAMN!  I completely forgot about that leftover piece!  :doh:

[Protomorph]

Ok. I just got back.


*sigh*


I'm a bit disapointed. Where to start...
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1. I think Spidey had about 5 minues of screen time where his face was covered. Hey, Tobey...Nobody cares if they see your face. Get over yourself. You play a guy in a mask. You agreed to play a guy in a mask. Put on the darn mask and don't take it off. If you don't feel you can act in the mask, perhaps we need to recast you with someone who can. That said, however, I completely expected this after the trainwreck in/of Spidey 2.

2. It seems like Spidey is underpowered in this movie, like he is missing a power. Oh, yeah, isn't he supposed to have a Spider sense that allows him to avoid blows and not get his head smacked around so much?

3. It's really easy to learn his secret identity. Just become a villain of his. He'll just TELL you who he is. When Gewn began to unmask him for her smooch, she may as well have completely removed it. Tobey would not mind.

4. The jive walking was ridiculous. The most unbelieveable part: the notion that New Yorkers walking by him would have paid him any attention at all.

5. The jokes throughout this film were all misplaced and terrible. I know Raimi thought that it needed some levity to balance out the moodiness of it. He was wrong.

6. It also seems that just by wearing the suit, it dyed his hair black.

7. I didn't like how Sandman was the Shooter, intentional or not. I was waiting for it to be a scam. It was also not like Peter to just let him go (not that he could have stopped him). This means that Spidey will not ever intercede to prevent Sandy from stealing all the money he wants. While I'm at it, since when can Sandman FLY? Otherwise, Church did an excellent job.

8. Not sure why, but several people in my theater cheered when Pete backhanded MJ to the floor. I'm sure that wasn't Raimi's intention.

9. As others have said, Venom should not have done much in this film. Eddie should have only become Venom in the last couple minutes of the film, with this movie ending with his triumph of spirit to get the thing off of him.

10. I don't think Harry should have been killed in the exact same way as his dad, even if it was to save Spidey.

11. It was wrong for Venom to imperil MJ to get to Peter. Granted, comic Venom did this, but comic Eddie didn't date Gewn. He was dumped by Gwen. She should have been there. Pete would have been even more responsible for her safety, since the only reason she was there was because of Peter's using her to get back at MJ.

Like most comic movies I see lately, they always fall short in the area of writing. Every single gripe about this film (with the exception of Tobey's arrogance and Kirsten, miscast from the start) can be fixed by a script doctor. A great many of the problems can be traced to improper characterization. Some of it was ok, but only some of it.

Does every villain really need to be personally connected with him? There are enough without inventing more corrolating origins. I cannot wait until the next one, where it will be revealed that Adrian Toomes was the mortitian who dressed Uncle Ben for his burial and hid something in the coffin. And Electro will be a lineman that goes to Aunt May's house to fix her power lines. Mysterio will be the fx guy stalking MJ on her inevitable movie role.

For the amount of Hype and money spent, there is no reason for this level of incompetence.

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[BentonGrey]

I will give the nay-sayers, this, they REALLY did need to keep the masks on, I don't need to see his face to know he's sad/angry/what have you.

[Jakew]

I agree with the majority of the criticisms so far, but I will defend Peter's jive-walk and Travolta dance to the death ... I thought it was genuinely funny. It would have been worse if they'd made Peter 'conventionally' cool ... the walk/dance was really Peter's attempt at being cool, from his own dorky perspective.

However, the jazz club was too OTT.

PS in regard's to whoever mentioned spider-man not using his 'Spider Sense' in the film to avoid beat-downs ... the few times Harry nailed Spidey, he was travelling extremely fast. And Venom can bypass Peter's 'Spider Sense', although this wasn't explained in the film (but should have been).

[BatWing]

i like the part where he kissed gwen stacy in front of mary jane

[detourne_me]

Saw Spider-man 3.  Was not disappointed in the least.  It was fantastic. I don't understand where the bitterness is coming from.  Most of our group thought it was as good, if not better, than the 2 previous installments.  If you'd like you can read The Movie Boy's Review: 3.5 of 4 stars.

thank you!

anyway, in other news, Spidey 3 just destroyed all previous box office records, so start looking forward to a fourth installment :D

[Talavar]

Well you can read above my own thoughts about the movie, but I certainly didn't hate it, and I've got to respond to some of the criticisms.

First - it's not Tobey Maguire who decided to take the mask off for all those scenes, that's how it's scripted because the mask doesn't allow for much emoting.  Agree with that or not, whatever, but blaming it on Tobey Maguire's arrogance?  That's just silly.

Venom doesn't trigger the spidey-sense, though the movie never mentioned that, as noted.

Further Spider-man sequels had already been confirmed before this even opened; the question is whether Sam Raimi, Tobey Maguire & Kirsten Dunst will return for any more. 

[crimsonquill]

I finally saw it today... and also picked up the Spider-Man 2.1 DVD as well while my family was out running errands.

I LOVED IT!!! And my son and wife were also quite happy with the way the film turned out as well.

[spoiler]My single nitnick in the film is some of the gaping holes they left in the story (i.e. going from realizing how much the symbiote was changing him to suddenly ripping it off in the church bell tower & the peice of the symbiote left behind in Conner's lab) but I'm not sure if that was bad editing or intentional scripting. I'm probably going to assume that Raimi has lots of cut scenes he had to eliminate for the 2 hour manditory summer film time limit and will restore them on DVD eventually.

I felt the Emo-Peter and the Street-Strut played off quite well with the audience that I viewed it with because everyone was laughing at the right moments and seemed to understand that Peter couldn't be "cool" if he wanted to because it just wasn't in his nature. However my wife and I agreed that an alien symbiote who had only been on Earth for a few days would be able to allow him to play piano like an expert even if Peter just took some lessons a few times which the alien drew it's knowledge from. Okay, maybe that counts as a second nitpick.

My wife did love how Kirsten Dunst played her role reversal this time around and Bryce Dallas Howard being introduced as Gwen Stacy (and I had to explain the whole brief history of her to my wife after the film was over).

Venom and Sandman were pulled off well visually but I have to admit that Topher Grace didn't quite pull off the Eddie Brock role. Even my wife mensioned that he left a great role on "The '70s Show" to go after a film career and literally did it for nothing if that was the best acting he could pull off. Thomas Church however did work perfectly as Sandman and my wife was hoping that he might return as a hero in a spin-off or sequal somewhere down the line.[/spoiler]

Of course my son loved every single moment of the movie and was lost playing with his Spider-Man 3 video games for hours after we got home.

- CrimsonQuill

P.S. I'm still hoping that everyone will return for Spider-Man 4 because I really want to see Peter & MJ finally get married and have The Lizard and Mysterio (and I wish Bruce Campbell himself would play that role) as the villians then throw in Black Cat as the misunderstood character that time around.

[bredon7777]

Well you can read above my own thoughts about the movie, but I certainly didn't hate it, and I've got to respond to some of the criticisms.

First - it's not Tobey Maguire who decided to take the mask off for all those scenes, that's how it's scripted because the mask doesn't allow for much emoting.  Agree with that or not, whatever, but blaming it on Tobey Maguire's arrogance?  That's just silly.

To think that Tobey Maguire has no input on the script is silly. Theres no doubt in my mind that if Tobey wanted the mask to stay on the whole movie it would've.

As for the mask not allowing emoting, I once again refer you to V for Vendetta. It's complete proof that its possible to put forth a phenomenal performance, emoting and all, in a mask the whole time.

[bearded]

i'm absorbing the 'parker trying to be cool and looking stupid' comments, and i realized something about myself.
when i saw him, i thought, 'wow, he's really being cool here.  look at him dance!  i wish i had a symbiote that would let me be that cool and dance that well.'

[Jakew]

I feel you.

My girlfriend turned to me during that scene and said 'that reminds me of you'. How embarrassing....

Also, returning to the "why kill the villains?" point ... not only was a piece of the symbiote still alive in Dr Connors lab, but they made a bit of a deal about Harry having a healing factor (MJ pointing out the cut on his head had disappeared) in this movie. So I'm guessing this leaves the door open for Harry or Norman to return from the grave in future sequels to "off" Gwen Stacy.

[bearded]

I feel you.

My girlfriend turned to me during that scene and said 'that reminds me of you'. How embarrassing....

Also, returning to the "why kill the villains?" point ... not only was a piece of the symbiote still alive in Dr Connors lab, but they made a bit of a deal about Harry having a healing factor (MJ pointing out the cut on his head had disappeared) in this movie. So I'm guessing this leaves the door open for Harry or Norman to return from the grave in future sequels to "off" Gwen Stacy.

woa!  i didn't think of norman!  what he isn't even dead?  harry wasn't hallucinating norman's voice!  norman was actually talking to him!  trying to drive him insane.

[Haljack]

To be honest I liked but felt that there was too much going on, it should have really been 2 movies, sandman for the 1st and Venom for the 2nd.

[Alaric]

Saw it a couple of days ago- thought I'd post my thoughts before reading the thread.

I enjoyed it. However, I thought it was the weakest of the three movies. It seemed to me that they tried to cram a lot more story into the movie than its length really allowed (actually, I felt a little that way about the first movie, too, but I thoguth they pulled it off better with that one). Still, it was fun, although it seemed like it would have been somewhat confusing to people who were'n't familiar with Spidey's history.

Some thoughts (with a lot of spoilers):

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Sandman was great. It was kind of anoying that durring the big "final battle" he was in "giant sand-being" mode, though- it was more fun to watch him fight Spidey looking like, well, the Sandman. I also wish he had gotten a little more screen time. Still, he was well-casst, well-acted, and his associated effects were great. His origin scene was spectactular. Not sure how I feel about the way he was tied to Spidey's origin, or the changes made to his motivation- they may have worked better for me if the movie had taken the time to develop those things better. It also bugged me that at no point did we see him get his "Sandman" name- toward the end, he's suddenly called that on the news out of thin air.

Gwen Stacey- I'm glad they found a way to include her. However, it bugs me a little that there was nothing serious between her and Peter, although, given the structure of this series of movies, it was pretty much inevitable. The thing is, Mary Jane isn't Lois Lane; I've always thought it was a mistake when her relationship with Peter is treated as some sort of fated, inevitable thing. I think it's entirely possible for two people to fall in love and work very well together without having the sense that they were always meant to be together, and to me Gwen, even if she wasn't killed off, should play the role of the "great almost was". Not sure I'm explaining that very well... Still, I'm kind of glad they didn't kill her off...

Harry- I think there were a lot of structural problems with the way Harry's story was handled.
after the build-up in the second movie, it seemed strange that for most of the movie he wasn't one of the "primary threats", and that his role always seemed to be to support the other plots, rather than having a major plot of his own. Still, it was great to see him and Peter work together at the end- it had a great "old high school buddies working side-by-side as super heroes" vibe to it. I always thought Harry should have become a super hero (on a regular basis), anyway... One thing that did kind of bug me was the lack of explaination as to why it took the guy who worked for him so long to tell him about his father, though.

Venom/Black Costume- The fact that a meteor containing an alien symbiote just happened to land, completely unnoticed, right next to Spider-Man, of all people, strained even my comic-book-trained acceptance of coincidence. I think it was probably the single weakest part of the film. I also didn't think much of Spidey's black costume- it was okay, but it should have been better. It did look a lot better (distorted) on Venom, though. I liked Venom's look, but I don't think the movie took much advantage of that look- he shold have come across as scarrier. It also bugged me that he never called himself Venom, at least, that I noticed...

Spider-Man- It really, really bothered me that Spidey had his mask off so much- that was the biggest flaw in the second movie, and it was even worse in this one. Come to think of it, it always used to bug me in the comics when Spidey would stand on top of a roof with his mask off pondering things, too... I have mixed feelings about Spidey's popularity in the movie universe, but as long as he keeps running into personal problems anyway, it doesn't entirely ruin the "Spider-Man Essence". It does seem strange, in a world where Spidey's so popular, that the newspaper that gets the most action shots of him doesn't sell better, though... Peter under the influence of the balck costume was well done. I found it painful to watch him being a jerk, which it should have been. Still, many people in the audience seemed to find those scenes funnyer than they were painful.

The music- It kind of bugged me that they used goofy, campy music durring some very serious parts of the film. Otherwise, I generally enjoyed the music. [/spoiler]

Overall, I had a good time, but the movie didn't stay with me afterward to the same extent that the first two did. After seeing how well Dr Octopus was done in the second movie, and Sandman in this one, I'd really like to see the Sinister Six on screen.

[Uncle Yuan]

Jeezis people - respect the  :spoiler:!!!!

I was a good boy and didn't even step foot in this thread until after I saw the movie.   But if I hadn't, in the last page and a half I would learn that

[spoiler]Harry dies, Brock dies, Symbiote dies (except for a small piece), Peter kisses Gwen and probably a couple of other key plot points![/spoiler]

[bredon7777]

Ok. I just got back.


*sigh*


I'm a bit disapointed. Where to start...
[spoiler]

2. It seems like Spidey is underpowered in this movie, like he is missing a power. Oh, yeah, isn't he supposed to have a Spider sense that allows him to avoid blows and not get his head smacked around so much?  [/spoiler]

[spoiler]
Yeah, they should've really cut some of the crap scenes and used the extra time to make it clear in the movie that Venom negates his spider-sense. As for the hits he took from Harry, IIRC the only time Harry hit him was when he was trying to recover the ring, and I took that to mean that the ring was important enough to him to override the Spidey Sense. [/spoiler]

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4. The jive walking was ridiculous. The most unbelieveable part: the notion that New Yorkers walking by him would have paid him any attention at all.

5. The jokes throughout this film were all misplaced and terrible. I know Raimi thought that it needed some levity to balance out the moodiness of it. He was wrong.

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<EdMcMahan> You are correct, sir! </EdMcMahan>
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6. It also seems that just by wearing the suit, it dyed his hair black.[/spoiler]

[spoiler]
That didn't bother me too much- I figured it was just the symbiote covering his hair [/spoiler]

[spoiler]
7. I didn't like how Sandman was the Shooter, intentional or not. I was waiting for it to be a scam. It was also not like Peter to just let him go (not that he could have stopped him). This means that Spidey will not ever intercede to prevent Sandy from stealing all the money he wants. While I'm at it, since when can Sandman FLY? Otherwise, Church did an excellent job. [/spoiler]

[spoiler]
A) In Pete's defense, I took Sandman's sunrise speech to be a suicide speech. I figured he'd given up and was just going ot let himself dissolve. I was very surprised to see the cloud swirling away. I actually think it wouldve been a much improved ending if Sandman had allowed himself to dissapate and Venom had gotten away rather than Venom apparently being destroyed and Sandman living.

B) As for Sandman being able to fly- he never has in the comics, but its a fairly logical extention of his power (well, not so much flying as gliding on the wind- if he can keep a bunch of sand looking human by sheer force of will, theres no reason he couldnt keep a cloud of sand coherent enough to glide) so that wasnt really a problem for me. [/spoiler]

[spoiler]
Like most comic movies I see lately, they always fall short in the area of writing. Every single gripe about this film (with the exception of Tobey's arrogance and Kirsten, miscast from the start) can be fixed by a script doctor. A great many of the problems can be traced to improper characterization. Some of it was ok, but only some of it.

For the amount of Hype and money spent, there is no reason for this level of incompetence.

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[spoiler]
You know I disagree with you about Kirsten. I think shes been an excellent MJ. It does, however, amuse me no end that Kirsten, a natural blonde was cast as the redhead and Bryce, a natural redhead, was cast as a blonde.

However I am in complte agreement with your last sentence.  There is no reason for this level of hackery. spider-man (not to mention us fans) deserved way better.
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[Talavar]

Well you can read above my own thoughts about the movie, but I certainly didn't hate it, and I've got to respond to some of the criticisms.

First - it's not Tobey Maguire who decided to take the mask off for all those scenes, that's how it's scripted because the mask doesn't allow for much emoting.  Agree with that or not, whatever, but blaming it on Tobey Maguire's arrogance?  That's just silly.

To think that Tobey Maguire has no input on the script is silly. Theres no doubt in my mind that if Tobey wanted the mask to stay on the whole movie it would've.

As for the mask not allowing emoting, I once again refer you to V for Vendetta. It's complete proof that its possible to put forth a phenomenal performance, emoting and all, in a mask the whole time.

Yes, I'm sure Tobey Maguire wrote large sections of the script.  Kirsten Dunst may have directed some scenes as well.  V, for much of his character, is a cipher, a total mystery.  We get emotion from his dialogue, and revealed over the course of the film, but Natalie Portman is the point of view character, it's her emotions that the viewer is meant to identify with.  Spider-man isn't set up to work that way; the viewer is supposed to be seeing events as Spider-man sees them.  I agree myself that Spider-man's mask comes off way too much in these movies, but that's why it comes off.

[Sevenforce]

Just remembered an extra nitpick -

[spoiler]Since when did Spidey become partially invulnerable? Especially in the Harry flight, he gets his head battered against buildings, thrown INTO a wall, thrown THROUGH a building...I mean, yeesh. That should be, at the very least, some broken bones, but theres no bruising or even soreness[/spoiler]

[Conduit]

[spoiler]

Since when did Spidey become partially invulnerable? Especially in the Harry flight, he gets his head battered against buildings, thrown INTO a wall, thrown THROUGH a building...I mean, yeesh. That should be, at the very least, some broken bones, but theres no bruising or even soreness.

Superstrength could make him more durable all by itself.  Since his muscles are stronger, they can take more damage.  But yeah, I see your point.
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[Jakew]

 :spoiler:

If you're going to question Spidey's "invulnerability", then you've gotta ask how Dr Octopus didn't get knocked out after one punch in spider-man 2. A bit of suspension of disbelief is required.

[bredon7777]

Well you can read above my own thoughts about the movie, but I certainly didn't hate it, and I've got to respond to some of the criticisms.

First - it's not Tobey Maguire who decided to take the mask off for all those scenes, that's how it's scripted because the mask doesn't allow for much emoting.  Agree with that or not, whatever, but blaming it on Tobey Maguire's arrogance?  That's just silly.

To think that Tobey Maguire has no input on the script is silly. Theres no doubt in my mind that if Tobey wanted the mask to stay on the whole movie it would've.

As for the mask not allowing emoting, I once again refer you to V for Vendetta. It's complete proof that its possible to put forth a phenomenal performance, emoting and all, in a mask the whole time.

Yes, I'm sure Tobey Maguire wrote large sections of the script.  Kirsten Dunst may have directed some scenes as well.  V, for much of his character, is a cipher, a total mystery.  We get emotion from his dialogue, and revealed over the course of the film, but Natalie Portman is the point of view character, it's her emotions that the viewer is meant to identify with.  Spider-man isn't set up to work that way; the viewer is supposed to be seeing events as Spider-man sees them.  I agree myself that Spider-man's mask comes off way too much in these movies, but that's why it comes off.

Calm down there, Tiger. I'm not claiming that Tobey wrote large sections of the script, but to claim he has no impact on the script is silly. There are hundreds upon thousands of examples of actors getting lines, scenes, and even scripts rewritten to suit them, so you might want to turn the sacasm down from 11. :D

Do I have any evidence that the script was rewritten to include more "face time" at Tobey's request? No.
Do I doubt that said evidence would be fairly easy to find? No.
Do I care enough to dig up said evidence? Once again, No.

As for V for Vendetta while I certainly give you that Evey was the character the audience was supposed to identify with. I had no problem figuring out what Hugo Weaving was emoting even with the mask on.  Now granted, that may just be because he's a better actor than Toby, but that is neither my fault, nor my problem.

[catwhowalksbyhimself]

If you read any comic book, or watch any superhero cartoon or most movies, it seems like every single character in them has a form of invulnerability, because even the non-powered ones are always being puched through walls and such without really being hurt.

You just have to accept that comic book physics are a little wonky and leave it at that.

[crimsonquill]

You just have to accept that comic book physics are a little wonky and leave it at that.

Plus you have to understand that his movie costume is made of far sterner stuff then the spandex variety of his comic counterpart. Excuse the uber geekism moment but the fabric of the costume is made from an impact resistant sports material reinforced by the raised webbing over it. I would assume that it would take some serious abuse before ripping and the mask always seems to take the most abuse in these films to show more "face". Hence why I like logic behind the movie costume - why wear something into combat if you didn't plan on having it provide some protection.

- CrimsonQuill

[Sword]

Saw it. Loved it.
It was a popcorn flick, not meant for deep thought. I didn't go in there to see how it was screwed up, or to find the best parts among the dirt. I went because the Raimi/Maguire/Dunst team delivered some solid films the last two times and did the same here.

Sandman was off the charts cool. Venom/ Black Suit Spidey less so. But the fights and the strategies were brilliant, right out of the comic books. My only real regret is that Harry bit it in almost the same way his dad did. He works so well with Spidey.

My one nitpick is the "Xtreme" Goblin.Sure the new glider is cool, but I was hoping to see a particular goblin, in orange. What I got was "X-games Armor Harry." Not the best choice in costuming.

[Shogunn2517]

Man, I'm way on the other side of the fence here.  Bredon and Proto are on the same track, but they can't even see me.  It's clear this is my minority opinion, but my thoughts of this movie were shades lower than a steaming stinky pile of monkey crap.  I thought it was abysmal.  I could go all day listing the problems I had with this, but those who do and don't have pretty much illustrated the exact same problems with it being a corny, disconjointed, busy, rushed mess.  Seriously, it means something when everyone points to the same problems.  It means it was actually a problem.

Either way, I'll abbreviate a review I did earlier.

[spoiler]First of all, it's worth mentioning that they did with this movie, exactly what I was afraid they would do when I first heard they would be taking this direciton. They tried to implement, developed and resolve four over-arching storylines in one 140 minute movie. There was the Peter/Harry relationship. There was the Peter/MJ/responsbility dynamic. Then you had your two villains; Sandman and Venom, both with their own characters, backgrounds and identities. They just tried to do too much with all of these, spending too much time on some, and hardly any on others. Things seem to advance and happen with very little or barely credible explanation. The story was aweful. We're first supposed to accept that Peter Parker dual-life is perfect, and then spend so much time on his relationship with MJ and a ****ing play. I mean, this wouldn't have been so bad if it didn't take up about a hour and a half of the whole dang movie, knowing that not only you have to introduce Symbiote Spidey, but Venom and then there's Harry and Sandman to contend with. There simply was too, too much in this movie that should have been left out. It's like Raimi knows he won't be doing a Spider-Man 4 and because of that, he decided to take everything he wanted to finish and plop it in this one...

One thing that truly aggrivated me throughout this was the characterizations, depictions and action and ultimately fates of these characters. First, let me start with Gwen Stacy. Frankly, she really should have been in the first movie and quite simply, she should have died then too. That's one thing I was waiting for her to do in this movie, oddly; die. Because that's pretty much what she's known for in the actual comic... Next, I'll harp on Peter/spider-man himself. Now, one thing we saw with the first movie, that the second movie portrayed splendidly was the idea of Peter Parker being a flawed, imperfect and less than fortunate superhero. In fact, that was part of what made the character so special to begin with. You could empathize with this guy. He had all of these crazy powers and could do all kinds of cool stuff, but he was still bullied in school, the girl of his dreams doesn't know he exist, he struggles between a job with a boss that hates him and schoolwork that he can hardly keep up with. I'm sure all of us have had a problem or two like he's had and that what made him endearing. And to top it all of, he's spider-man. In this movie, all of that pretty much evaporated. We were first seen with him enjoying his life. He got the girl, got the fame, got the respect and is happy, not a care in the world. We're then introduced to a new side of him where he's hip and cool, brash, arrogant and really ****ing corney... Next there's Harry Osborne... his whole storyline seemed wierd that he not just decided to up and kill Peter for what he did to his father five years ago, but the design was horrible. Not only that, but he just suddenly snaps out of amnesia and snaps out of his hate for Peter(even after he blew off his face) just to help him at the end... The whole mess of MJ breaking up with Peter was poorly handled. He say do this or Peter dies. I would have said "he's ****ing spider-man. He whupped your daddy and Dock Ock all while Jonesing for me." It was so hard to take seriously... And now Sandman. It's really simple. HE DOES NOT FLY! Quick, someone tell me the last time they've seen flying sand? You don't! It's rather wind blowing it or it's Imotep from the Mummy films, but sand don't fly. Two, HE'S A SAND-MAN, not a Sand MONSTER... Lastly, there's Venom... he was previously mentioned in the other films, he's not a new guy, but all of sudden he is.

It seemed not to take itself seriously. It had odd plot devices. Like the butler telling Harry his father killed himself(as if he supposed to know anyway) all of this after Pete approaches him from out of nowhere asking for his help. You just whipped his arse, not even 20 minutes ago and now you want his help to save your girl that he forced to break up with you? Someone tell me what was the purpose of a freakin' dance number straight from Bettlejuice smack in the middle of the movie? That was the straw that broke the camel's back for me there. During and after that I could barely look at the screen. And as funny as it was why in the world was Peter Parker acting like A Pimp Named Slickback, shaking his arse and pointing at girls giving them dirty looks?  I know the symbiote, makes him act aggressive and brash, but that was simply over the top... And poor Dylan Baker has pretty much wasted his time over the last three movies. Again, they tried to do four heavy storylines all at once and it came out a mess. First of all, Venom should have had a complete sequel to himself. But it seemed crammed and rushed and did not come out well at all and that's besides all of the other problems it had. How does a pumpkin bomb kill an alien being and human being, but only scratches Harry Osborn's face? And I'm sick and tired of spider-man being so dang cavalier with this secret identity. It's a secret identity. Unless this is Civil War, act like it's a secret identity.

Frankly, it makes The Punisher and Daredevil seem like good ideas all of sudden. At least I could watch those again. I can't watch this again, even if I wanted to. I just cannot bear to sit through it. The only redeeming value I can pull from this is maybe the videogame will be some good, but that'll probably only remind me of a movie that was utterly horrid. I've never been this disappointed by a movie since Lord of the Rings. It wasn't serious. It was a sad attempt at cash. It was God-awefully corney. It stunk. There was just so many problems with this, it was horrible. It was pathetic. It was crap. It was worse than crap. It was diddly-poo.[/spoiler]

Yes, I know I was mighty harsh.  But that's how I feel.  What's so strange is, I loved the first two Spider-man movies.  It just far to often got to the point where I said, "I can't believe I'm seeing this."

[Jakew]

hey shogunn,

"How does a pumpkin bomb kill an alien being and human being, but only scratches Harry Osborn's face?"

He'd inhaled the Goblin gas, which made him tougher and gave him a healing factor (ie the way he survived his initial rumble with Spidey when he flew into the web strung across the alleyway). And I think he was wearing armour under his clothes too. So obviously the bomb messed him up, but he'd healed to a degree when Peter returned to ask for his help.

[Viking]

Overall, I had a good time, but the movie didn't stay with me afterward to the same extent that the first two did. After seeing how well Dr Octopus was done in the second movie, and Sandman in this one, I'd really like to see the Sinister Six on screen.

I'm guessing you'd have to wait until Spider-Man 6 for that to happen.  Seems like they're adopting the trend of having a number of villains equal to the sequel number...

[Doctor TOC]

Saw it. Loved it. 'Nuff said.

[Shogunn2517]

hey shogunn,

"How does a pumpkin bomb kill an alien being and human being, but only scratches Harry Osborn's face?"

He'd inhaled the Goblin gas, which made him tougher and gave him a healing factor (ie the way he survived his initial rumble with Spidey when he flew into the web strung across the alleyway). And I think he was wearing armour under his clothes too. So obviously the bomb messed him up, but he'd healed to a degree when Peter returned to ask for his help.

Seriously, you don't think there's a difference between a healing factor and totally vaporizing two complete beings?

[BentonGrey]

Hmm, perhaps it was a different caliber bomb.  I mean, it's entirely possible he had more than one type.