ares question?

[herodad1]

how did ARES end up working at a construction sight?i know because he has a mortal son but why work on earth?is it a punishment by ZEUS?

[tommyboy]

In my opinion, it's all part of the Bendisverse Banalization of superheroes.
They don't wear costumes, or have secret identities, or use powers to fight crime anymore, they are now "realistic" thugs.
So a mythical figure who probably predates the written word becomes a banal construction worker, despite there being no reason or rationale for it, other than Bendis or Oeming thinking it "cool".
And the "mighty" avengers conveniently forget Ares' efforts to kill them, their friends, and his attempt to start a world war that would kill billions of people, dismissing it as some minor problem.
Bendis= teh oober suck. 

[thanoson]

He wants his son to lead a normal life, not that as a god. The gods have always seen him as a black sheep, and he wants nothing to do with their ways. This way, Ares is just a cool dad that can lift about 100 tons and his kid isn't harrassed on a daily basis.

[MyndVizion]

In regards to Ares' being a villain and trying to kill the Avengers.....

I kept thinking there was going to be some explanation about how Ares isn't the real Ares due to some timewarp/god plot/robot invasion/cloning etc.... But alas, Ares is the original Ares.....

So him being on the Avengers is beyond rediculous.

[AfghanAnt]

so was civil war's iron man. What's your point?

[thanoson]

Mystique, Sabertooth, Thunderbolts(both teams), Sentinel Prime chick, Emma Frost, Juggernaught, etc.... These are all former villains that tried to kill the people on their teams. Nothing new.

[MyndVizion]

so was civil war's iron man. What's your point?

HAHA!  True.  I just wished there would have been a slight nod to the past.  Maybe some additional banter between Ms. Marvel and Stark. But oh well.  While I find Ares' sudden inclusion on the Avengers a bit rediculous, I didn't find it horrible.  Keeping with continuity is, obviously, beyond marvel's ability.  I actually *liked* Mighty Avengers #1.

Didn't Quesada say something along the lines that the comic writers know the universe and characters best????  I thought I remember hearing that somewhere.

[herodad1]

thats why i'm letting my subscriptions run out.i'm a marvel fan and always will be but the direction comics are going now days is as depressing as watching the news.also the writers in comics dont know the history or the characters that they are writing about.they're trying to fix things that werent broke.this game will give me my hero fix.  nuff said.

[AfghanAnt]

yeah and dc's characters history is never changed every ten years or so. 'Superboy prime punches time' yeah  that is just a unc reative idea to explain years of character abuse. Comic writers are just there to write stories until some else comes up with a better one. Give marvel and company a break they are just trying to keep american comics alive.

[BentonGrey]

AA, you know, every time someone bashes Marvel, it doesn't mean that they don't feel the same way about DC.  I know I do, but the topic isn't about DC.  Either way, it seems to me like they are much more interested in squeezing the last few dollars out of American comics before they nail them in their coffin...

[AfghanAnt]

AA, you know, every time someone bashes Marvel, it doesn't mean that they don't feel the same way about DC.  I know I do, but the topic isn't about DC.  Either way, it seems to me like they are much more interested in squeezing the last few dollars out of American comics before they nail them in their coffin...

"and company" actually meant DC, Image, etc but in my defense and the writers' defense they really are paid to tell a good story not read years upon years of comic history and than formulate a story which acknowledgment every wrong step that has been done with a character (who here wants to remember Hero Reborn?). If that was the case Jean Grey would have been the Phoenix the whole time or Sentry wouldn't have been forced into the silver age via "hidden years" stories. Oh I can't even get started on how many times character die and are brought back only to go to limbo (I'm looking at you Hawkeye). I don't see why so many people hate Bendis really. He has nearly single-handedly recreated the Avengers into a title that is doing better than X-Men (Marvel was cash cow for years) and telling stories which people obvious read (whether they like or dislike the character changes. I'm not a fan of Wolverine in the lineup but I read the title because it's a good story and actually a good thing that came out of Civil War).

As for Ares, yeah he was a villain but aren't characters allowed to grow? Isn't (Wasn't) there a whole team of heroes who were villains and became heroes (sort of)? Emma Frost has tried and tried to destroy the X-Men and undermined their position on the next gen of mutants since her creation, yet now she's the headmistress of Xavier's and fans actually like her. I'm just saying before you start screaming bloody murder about years upon years of history of a character that was in limbo until his mini and now his position in Mighty Avengers. Give the writers' and the characters you know a chance to make it to issue two before you start "oh my god this goes against years of history, I'll never read comics from *insert comic publisher here*again!!!!" because honestly you will probably read those publishers and those titles again.

[detourne_me]

just look at how many other avengers are former villains (and have in the past tried to kill the avengers): hawkeye, scarlet witch, quicksilver, wonderman, vision, black widow, jocasta, sandman, swordsman, spider-woman, echo, probably half of their roster has been a villain at the start of their career.
jeez i cant believe people are upset about ares joining

[Podmark]

just look at how many other avengers are former villains (and have in the past tried to kill the avengers): hawkeye, scarlet witch, quicksilver, wonderman, vision, black widow, jocasta, sandman, swordsman, spider-woman, echo, probably half of their roster has been a villain at the start of their career.
jeez i cant believe people are upset about ares joining

I think its the fact that there's been little reference to him being a villain and little in-comic resistance to his joining.

But consider the current in-universe situation. During the Civil War dozens of villains were signed up to the Thunderbolts and fought side-by-side with the Avengers and other heroes to protect the world. Essentially the SHRA served as a big slate clearing for anyone with superpowers. Sign up and you'll be given the chance to get paid to save the world, no past questions asked. Works for me.

Perhaps a better question would be why didn't Ares have to go through superhero training?

[AfghanAnt]

 because he is a centuries old god?

[thanoson]

Yeah, it's not like he's a new kid just manifesting powers. Plus, I could see him ripping Gauntlets arm off of him if he tried that drill instructer stuff with him.

[Podmark]

Lol true.

[BitBiteOuch]

I can honestly say, Bendis comes up with some great plots and storylines, and thats why I've started reading Avnegers again. But his writing sucks, as far as I'm concerned he can't write dialogue, and those stupid little thought bubbles in-between other word bubbles, most of the time repeating what the character has just said, stupid. How come everyone in Bendis books go on like they are teenagers? He killed off Alpha Flight, he's turned the Avengers into a pre-teen fad frenzy, he can't write - BUT, I don't mind Ares joining, though recruiting him should have been done better. Hopefully, though, he will keep up the interesting stories and the good direction. Sorry, I'm done.

[UnkoMan]

In my opinion, it's all part of the Bendisverse Banalization of superheroes.
They don't wear costumes, or have secret identities, or use powers to fight crime anymore, they are now "realistic" thugs.
So a mythical figure who probably predates the written word becomes a banal construction worker, despite there being no reason or rationale for it, other than Bendis or Oeming thinking it "cool".
And the "mighty" avengers conveniently forget Ares' efforts to kill them, their friends, and his attempt to start a world war that would kill billions of people, dismissing it as some minor problem.
Bendis= teh oober suck. 

I will say... from what I read of the miniseries before this current stuff... it was pretty sweet.
But I had no idea it was suppose to be in continuity, and the same character even. I thought it was totally seperate.