Death of Captain America?

BlueBard · March 07, 2007, 07:52:56 AM

I heard on the radio on my way in that the issue of Captain America going on sale today features him being assassinated.

Open thread for comments.

On one level, it's typical of the crud Marvel has pulled in recent years. Apparently Joe Quesada was even quoted as saying that they can bring characters back from the dead, so I'd tend to believe this won't be permanent.

On another level, it does make for realistic fallout from the whole Civil War bit. Cap being stripped of all his protective gear, possibly in restraints, marched out in public... heck yeah, he'd be an easy target for any number of his enemies. And then Stark and all of the rest will have to start considering the consequences of what they've done, so that's another opportunity to develop storylines.

Spring Heeled Jack · March 07, 2007, 08:00:16 AM

If it's for real, and Cap is dead for good, then I'm through with Marvel Comics for as far as I can see.

If it's a gag, and Cap will be back as soon as some new hot-shot writer can find a twisted, poorly thought-out excuse to revive the character, then I don't care, and I'm through with Marvel Comics as far as I can see.

What a cheap ploy. Do they think they're being profound, killing "liberty"?

BentonGrey · March 07, 2007, 08:05:06 AM

Man.......like the creator of the character said....we really need him now. This is a terrible time for this. Once again, I'm glad I don't read modern comics.

BlueBard · March 07, 2007, 08:26:43 AM

Quote from: Spring Heeled Jack on March 07, 2007, 08:00:16 AM
If it's for real, and Cap is dead for good, then I'm through with Marvel Comics for as far as I can see.

If it's a gag, and Cap will be back as soon as some new hot-shot writer can find a twisted, poorly thought-out excuse to revive the character, then I don't care, and I'm through with Marvel Comics as far as I can see.

What a cheap ploy. Do they think they're being profound, killing "liberty"?

Couldn't have put it better myself.

Playing Devil's Advocate for a bit, though, how is this any different than DC's "Death of Superman" story arc? Or what Marvel has done countless times before, as in, killing off a beloved character (temporarily or otherwise) to boost sales?

BentonGrey · March 07, 2007, 08:30:48 AM

Ohh it's not different....but Cap embodies so much that is good about America....it just seems....wrong somehow.

BlueBard · March 07, 2007, 08:33:55 AM

Maybe Stark will inherit Cap's shield... Then he can call himself Irony-Man. :P

(Ok, ok... I couldn't resist the gag...)

B A D · March 07, 2007, 08:35:13 AM

That , and the fact that its already been done in Caps own book. Its not about the Captain America Uniform. Its about Steve Rogers, a man tied to several generations, who through his experience has led the greatest fighting team the world has ever seen. Twice, if you count the invaders. It was he , not Captain America (as seen as when he abandoned the identity more than once) that has proven to be the conscience of the MU, standing up for truth, justice, and Yes , the American Way when the rest of his ilk wouldn't. Steve had a set of princples that may have seemed outdated to some, but they were the ideals that embodied what was good about the American Ideal . You can't just come along and then give the outfit to...from what I hear.. the Punisher.

Like I said before, If I could stop reading Marvel Comics twice, I would.

starlock · March 07, 2007, 08:36:59 AM

this is rather dumb,they have to be getting alot of bad feedback after civil war( i know i am not collecting marvel anymore)(maybe wolverine if its not this initiative thing) but on the other hand as you say its just a ploy,but how many are we going to take,me i was almost done when they cancelled xman when it was #6 on the selling list

Spring Heeled Jack · March 07, 2007, 08:43:25 AM

Cheers to B A D. When I think of Captain America I think of Steve Rogers. There have been times when I thought to myself, "What would Captain America do right now?" And then I've had to correct myself and remember that Captain America is an abstraction, a costume; Steve Rogers is the character I've always admired.

Steve Rogers is not a martyr. He is a legend, and he deserves the highest regard Marvel can bestow on any of its characters. Trying to make him an Abraham Lincoln figure cheapens both Abe's sacrifice and Steve's legacy.

Another man (or woman!) can pick up the shield, but it won't be Steve Rogers, so it won't be the man everyone respects throughout the Marvel Universe.

(An aside, though: Why did Steve surrender, anyway?)

BentonGrey · March 07, 2007, 08:45:44 AM

Good point BAD, I feel the same way.

the_ultimate_evil · March 07, 2007, 08:47:55 AM

i'll give my thoughts when i read the book, but personally if they were going to do this, i would have done it iactully during civil war

personally(bear with me i know a good 90% will hate this idea) i would have done it about half way through CW instead of goliath i would have had the clone thor kill cap. that way it bring drama to the pro reg side with them still believing its ideals but seeing how out of control its becoming with some jumping ship and such. plus look at it as the ultimate his closest friends( tony, reed and hank) are un wittingly behind his death and the "gun" is taken in the form of an comrade he thought dead himself

and this way steve rogers becomes a martyr to the anti reg ad its basiclly now jimmies to the wall fall out

BlueBard · March 07, 2007, 08:49:28 AM

Quote from: B A D on March 07, 2007, 08:35:13 AM
Its not about the Captain America Uniform. Its about Steve Rogers, a man tied to several generations, who through his experience has led the greatest fighting team the world has ever seen. Twice, if you count the invaders. It was he , not Captain America (as seen as when he abandoned the identity more than once) that has proven to be the conscience of the MU, standing up for truth, justice, and Yes , the American Way when the rest of his ilk wouldn't. Steve had a set of princples that may have seemed outdated to some, but they were the ideals that embodied what was good about the American Ideal .

You want to deliver the eulogy? 'Cause that was, like, beautiful, man.

Quote from: B A D on March 07, 2007, 08:35:13 AMYou can't just come along and then give the outfit to...from what I hear.. the Punisher.

Ugh. Really? No way. That's even worse than giving it to some of the other jerks who've briefly assumed the mantle. It's wrong on so many levels I can't even verbalize them all. Punny has his place in the MU, but that's not the one.

Quote from: B A D on March 07, 2007, 08:35:13 AMLike I said before, If I could stop reading Marvel Comics twice, I would.

I've quit at least twice. :D It was usually Spidey or the X-Men that brought me back before, but they've jacked those characters around badly enough that the last time I quit reading has so far held.

udasu · March 07, 2007, 08:51:54 AM

Nobody stays dead. Ok, maybe the original Thunderbird, but that's it!

Thunder · March 07, 2007, 08:54:56 AM

Maybe it's a ruse. Maybe Steve will be the person in the Ronin suit when Ronin rejoins the Avengers.

RTTingle · March 07, 2007, 09:02:48 AM

And Marvel just keeps giving me a reason not to buy their comics...

...way to go guys. Snuff an icon with a snipers bullet and not a heroic act.

When you start having a lack of respect for your own characters like that... why should I have any for them either?

B A D · March 07, 2007, 09:06:24 AM

Actually, the Sniper's bullet doesn't whack cap. its-

Agent 13 (sharon carter)

Manipulated by Dr. Faustus

As Directed by the Red Skull.

She puts 3 slugs in him. Point Blank. Chest.

And then, they drop a Sixteen Ton weight on him.

BentonGrey · March 07, 2007, 09:09:22 AM

And then Iron Man relieves himself on the remains.....yep, that should boost sales for a week or two.......

BlueBard · March 07, 2007, 09:14:44 AM

Quote from: RTTingle on March 07, 2007, 09:02:48 AM
And Marvel just keeps giving me a reason not to buy their comics...

...way to go guys. Snuff an icon with a snipers bullet and not a heroic act.

When you start having a lack of respect for your own characters like that... why should I have any for them either?

Some folks will buy the comic just for the hype factor. Heck, I'm even half-tempted to check out what happened just out of curiosity. I'm going to resist that impulse as part of my own ongoing personal boycott of Marvel comics, but some won't. Imagine if they can get even a fraction of the old-school comics readers to check it out?

Hype sells. Why else would they mention a comic book on a mainstream news radio station?

BlueBard · March 07, 2007, 09:17:47 AM

Um, I should mention that if anyone knows anything concrete, maybe spoiler tags would be appropriate.

Time Titan · March 07, 2007, 09:19:09 AM

Heh, Mavrel stopped getting my money when they killed off Thor.

This is all about money. Marvel expects huge sales from this issue. And I'd expect brisk sales from his return issue also. Who knows, maybe Cap's return to the comic world will be coordinated with the release of the Captain America Movie.

I dunno which would be worst, killing off and bringing back Steve Rodgers or replacing him with a younger character.

thanoson · March 07, 2007, 09:26:58 AM

You guys ever think this is a ruse to protect Steve? That way, they can get another Captain America (in the public view) and Steve can still go about being Steve.

Alaric · March 07, 2007, 09:30:40 AM

Does anyone else sometimes get the feeling that Marvel is systematically and deliberately destroying their entire universe?

Blkcasanova247 · March 07, 2007, 09:33:39 AM

Quote from: Thunder on March 07, 2007, 08:54:56 AM
Maybe it's a ruse. Maybe Steve will be the person in the Ronin suit when Ronin rejoins the Avengers.

Nah! Cap don't say "Yo". (like ronin does in New Avengers #27). After almost 25 years of "make mine Marvel"....they're forcin' me to even consider stop collecting Marvel Comics....Killin' Cap? :thumbdown: That would do it for me if this is on the level. I got faith in Bru....but no faith in Joe Q, so I'm at the door and it opening into the DCU. FRACK! :angry:

Uncle Yuan · March 07, 2007, 10:14:26 AM

:yawn:

Blkcasanova247 · March 07, 2007, 10:37:17 AM

Quote from: thanoson on March 07, 2007, 09:26:58 AM
You guys ever think this is a ruse to protect Steve? That way, they can get another Captain America (in the public view) and Steve can still go about being Steve.

Problem with that is that everyone in the world knows who Steve is. And Steve doesn't stop being Cap....ever! (except in CW ;))

the_ultimate_evil · March 07, 2007, 10:58:59 AM

just want to throw something out there, i always find it funny when people moan that there doing it all for the money

well duh of course

there's companys, the main goal is to make money. as an artist myself i always found it laughable that people moan and say others sold when they 99.9% of the time would do the same

cripp12 · March 07, 2007, 10:59:42 AM

My thoughts are that comics are for entertainment, for fun. Heros shouldn't be dead. That's why I will always hate DC because they killed off Barry Allen. I used to dream about being the flash when I was a kid.
Boo to killing off heros. :thumbdown:

Blkcasanova247 · March 07, 2007, 11:11:10 AM

Quote from: cripp12 on March 07, 2007, 10:59:42 AM
My thoughts are that comics are for entertainment, for fun. Heros shouldn't be dead. That's why I will always hate DC because they killed off Barry Allen. I used to dream about being the flash when I was a kid.
Boo to killing off heros. :thumbdown:

Well guess who's comin' back in this year's DC event! :rolleyes: I just read the issue of Cap and Bru once again delivers a great story....but it's also the most heartbreaking thing I've read this year. :( I just don't know what to make of it. As a fan I'm crushed.

cripp12 · March 07, 2007, 11:19:21 AM

Quote from: Blkcasanova247 on March 07, 2007, 11:11:10 AM
Quote from: cripp12 on March 07, 2007, 10:59:42 AM
My thoughts are that comics are for entertainment, for fun. Heros shouldn't be dead. That's why I will always hate DC because they killed off Barry Allen. I used to dream about being the flash when I was a kid.
Boo to killing off heros. :thumbdown:
Well guess who's comin' back in this year's DC event! :rolleyes:

Don't even kid about something like that.

udasu · March 07, 2007, 11:22:39 AM

But Barry's alive in Justice..