NBC's _Heroes_

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Can Peter activate two powers at the same time? I can't recall him doing so. That might be your answer.

[GrizzlyBearTalon]

[spoiler]I liked the episode but the final fight was a bit of a letdown but I kinda expected it to be so. The reason is simple, it was mentioned once already, budget for the fight. I just don't think Heroes had the budget for a big fight like people wanted. Notice in the five years later episode it cuts off before Sylar & Peter really start doing anything other than powering up.

My question now is, did the writers realize they couldn't do a good enough fight scene and write Sylar surviving to slink away into it hoping to do it better next season? Or was that going to happen regaurdless?

The reasons I think Peter couldn't shut off the power are, Ted mentioned one or at least hinted, it has to be vented or let off at least a little bit from time to time. Of course since Peter only has one power at a time would that rule apply to him? The other reason is he was worked up about the whole bomb and future predictions, he is already kind of a nervous guy so having to deal with the fact he may or may not be the bomb then realizing he must be messed with him something fierce. Hero can't control his powers when he is worked up either.[/spoiler]

[catwhowalksbyhimself]

Talavar:

[spoiler]
Are we sure Mrs. Petrelli has powers?  Couldn't she just be fulfilling her husband's role in Linderman's organization, since he told her about it?

We're not sure, but she strongly hinted so, telling Claire that she needed to get away so she could decide for herself as an adult whether she wanted to be part of the "madness" as she herself once did.

Claire responds by asking Mrs. Petrelli if she has powers, but she does not answer the question.

So it's open, but strongly hinted.
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And a couple of more things:

[spoiler]Yes, Peter could handle Isaac's powers, but don't forget, if he's around or absorbs too many powers at once, he's been known to go berserk, with his powers activating uncontrollable.  This episode was actually minor compared to the earlier one where Claude knocked him out, but he didn't have Isaac's powers yet.  I doubt he could fly away, or use any of the his powers normally, while in this state.  And it no suprise, given that he's currently surround by several different supers, four of which have powrs and he's never encountered before (although we only see him absorbing Niki's Super Strength for sure.  Yes I think he used it for those punches)

While I'm not entire adverse to Sylar's return, I agree that I don't like the way they did it.  There seems to be no way without Claire's powers for him to survive a sword stab through the heart.  Granted, he was able to survive a long fall off a roof before, but still, it seems contrived and not well thought out like most things in this show.  I thought for sure he was dead and that future Sylar would pop up in his place.  It was the only thing that would have made sense.  I guess they decided not to make any sense.[/spoiler]

[Conduit]

[spoiler]

minor question: How, exactly, did Sylar know Hiro can bend time?  It seems an odd assumption to make on the basis of the last episode.

Because of his power to see how things work.  He saw what Hiro did and was able to understand how he did it.  Remember how he started talking about how Bryan was "broken" after he saw his power demonstrated in Sixth Months Ago?  It was the same thing.
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[Mr. Hamrick]

I have an idea or two what they will do with Sylar next season but it still doesn't get us past how he survived thing. 

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• He winds up working for Angela Petrelli impersonating Nathan so she can maintain Congressional influence.  This would not be for the whole season but just the first few episodes and then the real Nathan comes back.  Now, this would also mean that he encounters Candice and kills her off, of couse.
• The "boogeyman" that Molly mentioned surfaces and Sylar joins with the Heroes to stop him.  I'm pretty sure it was said it was a him.  Sylar's desire for importance would lead him to want to be greater than that person.  Of course, there is still the issue that Sylar would likely want to steal that person's powers.
  
• I could also see a new "Company" figure emerging and capturing Sylar.  Sylar would stay with the Company for a while and possibly become the new right hand man for the company in season three.
  

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[catwhowalksbyhimself]

One slight misunderstanding, Hamrick

[spoiler]Sylar is the Boogeyman.  The new threat was not called that.

The rest of your point may be valid, but I think it's a thing, not a person.  I think it's the mysterious monster who's showed up in the background in Isaac's drawings on a few occasions.[/spoiler]

[Viking]

My own take on a question that's been brought up here:

[spoiler]
The question relates to why Sylar can react to the gun firing, but is utterly unable to do anything about Hiro charging with a sword.  My take is that it was purely a psychological issue.  Hiro was the one character that repeatedly spooked Sylar in the last few episodes.  Hiro might have been unable to do anything against Sylar in the past, but he always got away before Sylar could do anything about it.

Add to this the fact that in this episode, Sylar finally saw the comic book that showed Hiro impaling him.  He also saw that Hiro beat Sylar at his own challenge - he saved Ando before Sylar could cut off his head.  What's more, it's not as if Sylar could just write off Isaac's prediction of the future - he's had that same ability for a while now, and has apparently put stock in it.

So, when Sylar finally saw Hiro in the big conflict at the end, determined and ready to strike, I think he just psychologically froze.  He was mentally prepared to deal with anything else that could happen, but not Hiro.[/spoiler]

[Mr. Hamrick]

One slight misunderstanding, Hamrick

[spoiler]Sylar is the Boogeyman.  The new threat was not called that.

The rest of your point may be valid, but I think it's a thing, not a person.  I think it's the mysterious monster who's showed up in the background in Isaac's drawings on a few occasions.[/spoiler]

[spoiler]I beg to differ, Cat.  She was willing and able to track Sylar from what I saw.  She stated that there was one person she couldn't track because he could see her.  There was no implication that it was Sylar that she was referring to and the fact that she immediately afterwards tracked Sylar implies that it was someone else.  I'm not disputing that the "monster in the background" might show up.  However, the "Hiro vs. dinosaur battle" was a misleading one and didn't happen the way everyone was expecting.  It didn't happen at all.  There may still be a chance it will but still that fight won't be exactly what was in Isaac's painting.  Remember, MANY of Isaac's paintings have been open to interpretation and have in fact turned out different than speculated.  Some have been prevented all together.  
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I just got an email from Hana.  This may be something of interest: www.yamagatofellowship.org.  

Hana also mentions on her blog that there were two tracking systems and that one was a satellite.  She is supposedly "hitching a ride on a Chinese Shuttle" to get up to it.  That would be a reference to the current graphic novel where it looks as though she might die.  

[catwhowalksbyhimself]

Hamrick, you, like, totally did not get what I was talking about AT ALL.

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I didn't say that Sylar was the person she couldn't see.  I said Sylar was the Boogeyman.  Re-watch this episode and the one before it and you'll see that she doesn't, or didn't, know Sylar by name, so she started calling him the Boogeyman.

This mysterious individual that she can't or won't look at is NEVER referred to as the Boogeyman.  He is never referred to as anything at all.
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[Tomato]

[spoiler]You know, for an episode that they've been hyping up so much, I knew what was going to happen way back when Peter first learned he was the bomb, and dream Nathan said "Let me help you Peter." I'm kinda ticked about the fight scene too... talk about lack of budget all you want, but you could have written around any effects.

A few things:

My theory on the Bullets vs swords thing- Stopping bullets might be a reflex, I think. Soon as he hears the gunshot he just holds everything in place with telekenesis. On the other hand, he sees Hiro coming at him, he's thinking "I'm dead!" because of the comic book, and that slows him down long enough for Hiro to stab him.

As far as healing goes... Firstly, I don't think Hiro got his heart. I'd have to look again, but it seems like Hiro only gets him in the chest. Plus, with his telekenesis, he can stop blood flow so he can't bleed to death.

I'm having trouble reconciling the events in this episode with the ones in the future one. Specifically Parkman. Everyone else I can just explain away. (Nathan came in this timeline because of Hiro calling him a villain, Hiro stabbed Sylar stopping him from interferring, if the bomb went off DL kept everyone close to him from getting killed by the bomb, but the effort killed him, etc.) but Parkman perplexes me. I guess you could explain it away by saying Hiro's conversations did something that changed how Sylar handled the bullets, but that's a cop out.

I did like how it explains Peter's dreams... I had thought it was Mr. Petrellis power, but it makes more sense from the standpoint that he began to use it as he started working for Charles.

All in all, a good episode... but not as good as it should have been[/spoiler]

[OutsiderNo11]

Got an idea for Sylar in the next season that, in my opinion, would make his return a little more interesting:

Instead of Sylar going back to his old MO, he finds that many of the heroes he's tracking down are systematically having their brains removed by some other person.  This antagonist to Sylar is doing so in order to prevent him from getting too powerful and believes that the only way to stop this is by killing other powerful heroes (at least the ones he deems too powerful).  So a part of the second season's story is Sylar trying to find out who this person is and trying to beat him or her to the punch.

This anti-hero doesn't need to have a power, just the ability to track them down and eliminate those whose powers would constitute a threat if Sylar (or Peter for that matter) were to absorb their ability.

[MJB]

Everyone is assuming that Sylar slunk away to the sewers. It's just as possible that his body was dragged into the sewers.

-MJB

[The Pwime]

[spoiler]I hope Parkman is alright.  He pulled a pretty dumb stunt, though.  "Crap...he's stopping my bullets.  I guess I should fire some more!"[/spoiler]

[Revenant]

Hamrick, you, like, totally did not get what I was talking about AT ALL.

[spoiler]
I didn't say that Sylar was the person she couldn't see.  I said Sylar was the Boogeyman.  Re-watch this episode and the one before it and you'll see that she doesn't, or didn't, know Sylar by name, so she started calling him the Boogeyman.

This mysterious individual that she can't or won't look at is NEVER referred to as the Boogeyman.  He is never referred to as anything at all.
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[spoiler]
The Big Bad that she is referring to is not the Boogeyman, she's talking about Galactus!![/spoiler]

[The Pwime]

I just had a thought...

[spoiler]Perhaps Sylar didn't crawl into the sewer...perhaps he was DRAGGED in, by the being that Molly referenced earlier in the episode...[/spoiler]

[MJB]

I just had a thought...

[spoiler]Perhaps Sylar didn't crawl into the sewer...perhaps he was DRAGGED in, by the being that Molly referenced earlier in the episode...[/spoiler]

I beat you to it. :P

Look a few posts up. ;)

-MJB

[Sevenforce]

MJB and Prime are on the right train of thought, I think. Guess we'll find out.

Now, I had one major problem with the whole of this episode...

I mean, I can ignore the inconsistencies with powers, I can ignore Sylars (possible) survival (Maybe something ate HIS brains? heh), I can (only with mild sedatives) ignore the whole 'he had 3-5 seconds to TK hiros arse all over the place before Hiro stabbed him' thing, but theres just one thing I cannot ignore, one thing that staggers belief, and breaks the borders of the imagination...

There is no place in New York where a street is THAT empty, or even a place where you can conk out for a few hours. I mean, come on, keep it believable here! :P ;)

[The Pwime]

I just had a thought...

[spoiler]Perhaps Sylar didn't crawl into the sewer...perhaps he was DRAGGED in, by the being that Molly referenced earlier in the episode...[/spoiler]

I beat you to it. :P

Look a few posts up. ;)

-MJB

aww poop.  :P

[clownprince]

MJB and Prime are on the right train of thought, I think. Guess we'll find out.

Now, I had one major problem with the whole of this episode...

I mean, I can ignore the inconsistencies with powers, I can ignore Sylars (possible) survival (Maybe something ate HIS brains? heh), I can (only with mild sedatives) ignore the whole 'he had 3-5 seconds to TK hiros [expletive deleted] all over the place before Hiro stabbed him' thing, but theres just one thing I cannot ignore, one thing that staggers belief, and breaks the borders of the imagination...

There is no place in New York where a street is THAT empty, or even a place where you can conk out for a few hours. I mean, come on, keep it believable here! :P ;)

;) i know there was something wrong with this eps. i was watching it and something just didnt seem right to me. thanks seven  :thumbup:

[SouperIan]

[spoiler]Hiro can alter time for specific objects, remember? (clock, subway, gun). That means he could have just slowed down time for Sylar as he was taking his run-up and stabbed him before slow-Sylar could respond.

Oh, and theoretically, a combination of Sylar's "I know how things work" and TK could have allowed him to survive being stabbed, by manipulating everything back to where it should be.[/spoiler]

[Uncle Yuan]

Sylar is generally a pretty tough cookie.  Twice in the past he has been able to overcome being drugged (The Company and Mohinder).  It possible he ate someone who had some form of healing or increased metabolism or something.  [spoiler]As long as he wasn't stabbed directly though the heart he might be able to drag homself off.[/spoiler]

[Sword]

I'm thinking Sylar didn't crawl off, he was dragged... by Claude.

[Tomato]

[spoiler]While I think the notion of him being dragged off isn't nescessarily wrong, you guys are overlooking something... Sylar, or at least the guy playing Sylar, is already signed on as a main character in season 2. So regardless of being dragged or taken off (or whether he just picked himself up with tk) he's alive.

As for Mr. Hamrick's comment about Sylar impersonating Nathan for Mrs. Petrelli... Errrr why? Candice isn't dead, Niki just kicked her butt. She's already loyal to "The Organization" Oh, he might very well come in and impersonate her impersonating him(O.-) but I very much doubt Mrs. Petrelli will trust a mass-murdering psycho.

On a similar note... After the Niki v Candice fight, I was kind of looking forward to seeing the "real" Candice... they made mention of how she didn't really look like her "main" form, and that she was likely chubby... and they copped out.

My one huge inner struggle is... even though I know he's ok (because he was alive in the future even though he exploded there too) they need to do something with Peter. He's gotten way too powerful, so eithor they need to find a limiting force to put on his powers, or kill him off. Don't get me wrong, I like the character, but he's got more superpowers then post-crisis Supes now.

Oh, and one other thing... everyone's assuming that Isaac's little comic was how Sylar was supposed to die... but we have a whole sketchbook of future paintings that he gave to that Asain dude just floating around out there. Plus, we haven't even seen the first couple of 9th Wonders[/spoiler]

Grah, forgot spoiler tags. if anyone cares.

[thanoson]

And on to that. We never see if Sylar is supposed to be dead in the comicbook. Also, in future Hiro time, didn't Hiro stab him there in his past? ANd he lived?

[catwhowalksbyhimself]

Yes, but he had Claire's powers in that timeline.  Hence "save the cheerleader, save the world."

Of course saving the cheerleader did turn out to be critical, just not in the expected way.

[GrizzlyBearTalon]

So what exactly was Sylar's original power? To simply see how things work and be able to fix them? In essence is he a master surgeon, mechanic, etc. by default then?

I just want to know if he got some degree of super toughness from someone or simply can patch himself up due to his "Mr. Fix It" power he originally started with.

Also is he eating these people's brains or merely tinkering to see how they work then adjusting his own brain or something? Does this mean the root of every single super power in this world is based in the mind?

Lastly, would that bullet have really killed Nikki? I mean to even be able to wield the strength she possesses would require a great deal more toughness than a normal person, or else she'd break her arms/legs/etc whenever exerting so much force would she not. I know I may just be over thinking this a bit but I just wonder if that bullet really would have killed her, I imagine just by being strong enough to bend solid steel with her bare hands (and not rip her hands to pieces) that her body must be at least tough enough to withstand small arms fire like Linderman's gun at any range. Normally I would go with the don't think about it approach but wouldn't this represent an inconsistency story wise by the writers? After all if I show a character breath underwater then drown in a puddle or get suffocated in a toilet bowl later that wouldn't make much sense now would it?

I have just always operated under the assumption that if you have very much super strength (like starting at a point when you can say lift a car over your head or motorcycle then throw it) above a normal person's that a degree of toughness naturally comes with it. This is why people like Spider-man can take such a phenomenal (would easily kill a normal person) beating or punch through a metal car door/roof without breaking their arms or cutting themselves to pieces.

[Revenant]

[spoiler]I think Sylar absorbs the brains, because once he's finished, there's nothing left of them.  We never get to see it happen though, i guess it is up to the audience's imagination *shudder*

Sylar's clockwork power shouldn't allow him to heal himself; it's more of a visionary ability to allow him to see the right way to fix something.  Like he has the blueprint to any problem and an instruction manual pops up in his mind.  I think it's possible that he could use TK force to speed up the healing process though, or minimize the blood loss.  But a sword through the heart... once the circulatory system is crippled, he hasn't got much time at all.  Well, if he's that great of a telekeneticist he could probably use his power to hold his heart together and pump his own blood at the same time?

I have a feeling that, given the many references from the X-Men, Sylar will survive to form a Morlock-like band of Specials from the sewers... and become a kind of anti-hero.  Maybe he'll atone for his mass murders by trying to help others?  Or meet the so-called Big Bad down there, and become his lapdog in the hopes of begging for crumbs?

Regardless, we have to assume he's still out there, and he has nuclear power at his command, so New York isn't really safe yet.

One other thing - if Peter Petrelli was this close to Sylar, and absorbed his clockwork power, why didn't he know how to stop himself going nuclear?  He could also have teleported himself using Hiro's ability, to a safe location, and discharged the nuclear power... or flown... [/spoiler]

[catwhowalksbyhimself]

I already answered that question, rev, but here it goes again:

[spoiler]It's already been demonstrated that when Peter's power go berserk due to absorbing too many powers, they begin going off uncontrollably.  During such an episode, he seems unable to control his powers at all, so he can't do any of the above.[/spoiler]

[Mowgli]

SouperIan: Hiro never controlled time for specific items (clock, sunway,etc.) He stopped or reversed time for everyone and everything each time. No one else notices, because time continues normally for them. They, and the objects are stopped until everything restarts, so they don't even notice.

Here's a question, and I hope it hasn't already been answered... When Hiro went into the future in the beginning of the series and saw the bomb explode, wasn't it day time? The whole event occurred at night in the last episode. Is that an inconsistancy?

Just curious.

(For the record, I still haven't heard a plausible explanation for why Sylat could stop bullets, but not a sword... afraid? Erm, I don't know about that.)

[The Pwime]

Can't Peter only use one power at a time?  And in this case, going nuclear must have overridden all his other powers.