Apparently this is the season for comic cancellations: I just learned that Spider-girl is ending soon, and so is Manhunter. Anything else good going to make room for another _______ Avengers book at Marvel, or whatever dreck DC will churn out instead?
spider-girl and manhunter constantly rode that "might be canceled" train and that's because not enough people ventured outside of the big dogs to give their [spidey/manhunter] books an honest shot. :(
As for other canceled series:
Ultimate X-men
Ultimate Fan 4
Iron-man: Director of Shield
Minx
Legion of Superheroes (I hear)
Fringe (but will be relaunched)
Books I want canceled as of now:
New Exiles
New Warriors
:P
Quote from: Previsionary on October 17, 2008, 10:48:05 AM
Legion of Superheroes (I hear)
Issue #50 is the last one.
Quote from: Previsionary on October 17, 2008, 10:48:05 AM
Books I want canceled as of now:
New Exiles
New Warriors
Is it the cancellation of the book you want? Or, the cancellation of Claremont's contract? ;)
I don't mind New Warriors being canceled. The empty slot it's cancellation will provide will be well used. :thumbup:
Yes...Room for more Avengers titles...Like Newer Avengers, Newest Avengers and instead of another Mighty Avengers, they can have the Mediocre Avengers...Oh wait, that's New Avengers...Sorry.
:P
I can't get too upset about Ultimate X-men getting cancelled - it's stunk for a long time, like a whale carcass rotting in the sun.
I hadn't heard about Iron Man: Director of Shield, but it had started to seem irrelevant, what with Stark having another Iron Man series and appearing in a bunch of other titles. Who does he think he is, Wolverine?
I'd known about Legion of Superheroes getting the axe, which is too bad - I liked this version of the Legion. I'm certain they'll be back in some form or another though - how many versions have there been by this point? LoSH just won't die.
Prev, are New Exiles & New Warriors on the bubble, or is it just that you hate them? I hope it's the former - I hate them too.
And there actually is another Avengers book coming: Dark Avengers, or some such garbage. I'm going to claim the roster is Dark Beast, Darkhawk, Darkstar and Dark Phoenix, because that's about the level of thought I believe has gone into it.
Yeah I'm upset about Spider-Girl. I think some might remember I've been a big fan about the book over the years. Thing is I might be able to let it go after all this time, but there's always hope for a last minute save with this series.
New Warriors needs to be cancelled or get a new writer or something. I just dropped it a few months ago and it's terrible.
As for Avengers I could care less about Bendis and his Dark Avengers but Dan Slott is taking over Mighty Avengers which is great news for me!
I dislike both books and what they've done to the characters immensely. Jubilee is already mostly hated...I don't need New Warriors making the hate worse. :P
Actually, Exiles is middle ground right now (for me), but I feel like they just hop around all purposeless and it's barely a team book to me. It's just an ensemble piece with no real purpose. I want claremont gone and I want the book canceled until they can retool it and make it interesting again. I don't want alternate rogue, mystique, and tame sabretooth in my face every other month, and me do not want Betsy being chased around through space and time with a psycho Sage trailing behind either, dannit! I didn't even mention Aqua-gambit. -_-
From what I hear, Dark Avengers actually involves Emma Frost...cause she's the female Wolverine. Or maybe that was illuminati? I don't know...Bendis and his "ideas" are hard to keep track of...because I rarely care. ^^
So there really is going to be a book called 'dark avengers'?
I thought that was just Kirkman extracting urea from Bendis in that head to head they had.
I know I hate everything Bendis does as a tedious knee-jerk reaction, so obviously this particular floater bobbing about in the bowl that is the 'house of ideas' (and has that title ever been more bitterly ironic?) just gets on my nerves. A lot.
Claremont 15 years ago is Bendis today, the one-note wunderkind who is box-office gold, but neither emperor is wearing any clothes.
I cannot wait until Bendis is recognized as the formulaic hack he is, and is as ridiculed as Claremont is. I'm sure they are both lovely people and all, but I would rather gouge your eyes out than read their comics. Not that I'm bitter, oh, no.
Shame about Manhunter and Spidergirl, both have been well received by me, at least.
And I hold out some pathetic hope that the LSH will return post crisis in a new/old form, but I am an eternal optimist.
Quote from: tommyboy on October 17, 2008, 01:03:34 PM
I am an eternal optimist.
And I am a pony on a pogo stick.
EDIT: Seriously, though, it's a shame that Manhunter and Spider- Girl are on the axe again. Spider- Girl was the only comic my sister collected, so sadly, she'll probably fade away from the comic world because of this.
And "Dark Avengers?" Bendis is just trying to play off of the success of
X- Force. But honestly, I'd expect nothing less from him.
MMk, let's just put this out there. Spider-girl is said to still be around. She'll *probably* be added to Spider-man: Family. She just won't have a solo book anymore. So, we may still get our monthly May and MJ sightings...just with shorter stories and combined with BND + Classic stories...guh.
Dark Avengers? Seriously? I've never heard it mentioned til now. I'll more then likely give it a shot. I actually like a fair amount of Bendis' work.
Secret Warriors should be a good one.
Manhunter is being cancelled AGAIN?
Doesn't the "Dark Avengers" group have Magneto too? I could have sworn I read that somewhere.
I also heard the group was an all-villain line-up opposing the Avengers or some such(sounds like a new Masters of Evil to me)? I laughed when I heard Emma was a part of it...Maybe she's a villain again...YAY!
Dana :P
The line-up of Dark Avengers has not been released, but there is some suspicion it could be a villain group.
Quote from: tommyboy on October 17, 2008, 01:03:34 PM
So there really is going to be a book called 'dark avengers'?
I thought that was just Kirkman extracting urea from Bendis in that head to head they had.
I know I hate everything Bendis does as a tedious knee-jerk reaction, so obviously this particular floater bobbing about in the bowl that is the 'house of ideas' (and has that title ever been more bitterly ironic?) just gets on my nerves. A lot.
Claremont 15 years ago is Bendis today, the one-note wunderkind who is box-office gold, but neither emperor is wearing any clothes.
I cannot wait until Bendis is recognized as the formulaic hack he is, and is as ridiculed as Claremont is. I'm sure they are both lovely people and all, but I would rather gouge your eyes out than read their comics. Not that I'm bitter, oh, no.
I disagree. While I'm no fan of Bendis' 616 work I know from Ultimate Spider-Man, which I eally liked back when I was buying it, that he does write some good stuff. It just tends to be non-616. I also really liked Claremont's original run on X-Men, though he's definitely jumped the shark in recent years.
But to say both of them are talentless hacks is more than a bit harsh. As for Bendis being recognized as the formulaic hack that he is, I don't think it's going to happen anymore than it already has. There are already people who hate his work along with the people who enjoy it and buy it. Those people who enjoy his work, I don't think they're going to suddenly go away or change their minds.
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Quote from: tommyboy on October 17, 2008, 01:03:34 PM
So there really is going to be a book called 'dark avengers'?
I thought that was just Kirkman extracting urea from Bendis in that head to head they had.
I know I hate everything Bendis does as a tedious knee-jerk reaction, so obviously this particular floater bobbing about in the bowl that is the 'house of ideas' (and has that title ever been more bitterly ironic?) just gets on my nerves. A lot.
Claremont 15 years ago is Bendis today, the one-note wunderkind who is box-office gold, but neither emperor is wearing any clothes.
I cannot wait until Bendis is recognized as the formulaic hack he is, and is as ridiculed as Claremont is. I'm sure they are both lovely people and all, but I would rather gouge your eyes out than read their comics. Not that I'm bitter, oh, no.
I disagree. While I'm no fan of Bendis' 616 work I know from Ultimate Spider-Man, which I eally liked back when I was buying it, that he does write some good stuff. It just tends to be non-616. I also really liked Claremont's original run on X-Men, though he's definitely jumped the shark in recent years.
But to say both of them are talentless hacks is more than a bit harsh. As for Bendis being recognized as the formulaic hack that he is, I don't think it's going to happen anymore than it already has. There are already people who hate his work along with the people who enjoy it and buy it. Those people who enjoy his work, I don't think they're going to suddenly go away or change their minds.
Yeah, which is what the Claremont fans said back when he was flavour of the month and his 'x' books outsold everything else . Now the man can barely get work.
Trust me, in ten, fifteen years time Bendis will be regarded the same way as Claremont, as a writer who did some genuinely engaging comics then got elevated and extended far beyond his talent. People are fickle, and legions of fans evaporate.
And I said Bendis was a 'formulaic hack', rather than a 'talentless hack'. It's right there in the quote you quoted. Don't put words in my mouth and then tell me I'm more than a bit harsh because of the thing you just made up that I never said, if you please. It's mildly irritating. It's still probably a bit harsh to say 'formulaic hack', but I stand by the assessment. Both men have
some talent, rather than none, and I won't bore everyone by detailing each one's 'formula'.
Let's agree to disagree.
Once you've had a chance to respond, should you wish to, of course.
Alright, sorry. I didn't realize phrasing it differently would annoy you. It's just semantics, not something worth getting annoyed over. I just don't think Bendis is that bad. For me, it's as simple as not buying the books if I don't like them. I don't see the point in complaining because they're popular and the writer's doing well.
I never thought Bendis was that great working within the constraints of the maintream Marvel universe.
For example, Alias (which was Marvel MAX) was great. It was one of the comics that got me reading Marvel again. Then the title moved to mainstream Marvel as The Pulse. Despite using the same roster of characters, it was terrible.
Quote from: Jakew on October 18, 2008, 09:18:07 PM
I never thought Bendis was that great working within the constraints of the maintream Marvel universe.
For example, Alias (which was Marvel MAX) was great. It was one of the comics that got me reading Marvel again. Then the title moved to mainstream Marvel as The Pulse. Despite using the same roster of characters, it was terrible.
Yeah I kinda agree. I always thought Bendis was ill-suited to straight superhero writing, and probably stronger at more crime and character based stuff. Alot of Ultimate Spider-Man (which I've always liked but found too dragged on) was character work that I think worked to his strengths.
I have similar thoughts on Ed Brubaker whose Uncanny I find very disappointing.
soooooo, what was the original point of this thread again...and how did we get on the "discuss Bendis" train? If I didn't know any better...I would say this whole thing was orchestrated by some invisible hand. <_<
Got any other title cancellations you want to bemoan?
Quote from: Talavar on October 19, 2008, 11:14:32 AM
Got any other title cancellations you want to bemoan?
The Avengers? :P
*looks around* me? What, am I a walking encyclopedia?! Fine...an update:
LOSH is said to be coming back laterish. It's on hiatus until it can be retooled for the 500th time.
other than that...I've nothing. Let's start a campaign to end New Exiles? That's worth doing, right?
Ending New Exiles deserves a massive campaign, with financial donations and celebrity endorsements. We could get some of those little silicon bracelets made up, though I'm not sure what colours are left....
Well New Exiles continues on but New Warriors is ending with #20. About time.
wait...it's ending? I can't find any news about it. Please don't tease me. :(
It's also said that Black Panther got canceled...according to the rumor mill. And going by the same rumor mill, these also got executed: Marvel Adventures Iron Man, Marvel Adventures Hulk, X-Men: First Class (miniseries again), Spider-Man Loves Mary Jane (same deal).
Quote from: Previsionary on October 20, 2008, 12:12:17 PM
wait...it's ending? I can't find any news about it. Please don't tease me. :(
It's also said that Black Panther got canceled...according to the rumor mill. And going by the same rumor mill, these also got executed: Marvel Adventures Iron Man, Marvel Adventures Hulk, X-Men: First Class (miniseries again), Spider-Man Loves Mary Jane (same deal).
Marvel solicits on Newsarama.
Black Panther too, huh? That's too bad.
Quote from: Talavar on October 21, 2008, 03:42:20 PM
Black Panther too, huh? That's too bad.
Yeah but it's being rebooted with a new female black panther. :rolleyes:
I thought it was a shame that they cancelled all the Spider-man titles and replaced them with the BND garbage. Ah well... :banghead:
Well, add Birds of Prey, Robin and Nightwing to the stack of cancelled titles - apparently they're all ending as of February.
I'm starting to get annoyed here. Birds hasn't been as good since Gail Simone left, but I've still enjoyed the title - at this rate, I'll barely be reading comics next year.
Nightwing and Robin being canceled don't surprise me in the least for this reason:
[spoiler]Nightwing is set to take over the cowl from Bruce post R.I.P and they have been teasing something with Tim feeling betrayed by Bruce for hiding his motives and for the whole Spoiler's faked death thing. However, I suspect that Tim will quit being Robin in light of Bruce's quitting being Batman since Bruce is his legal guardian.[/spoiler]
There's been a rumor of a new 'Batman And Robin' series coming up in the future. LITG suggested Bagley would be on art. So Robin's cancellation didn't catch me by surprise, but Nightwing and especially BOP did.
No comment on this until we know more, except that I'm disappointed that such long running secondary titles have come to an end.
Add Blue Beetle to the cancellation pile.
Marvel needs to realize that the New Warriors concept sucks and stop doing new versions of the team.
It'll never happen, but I'd like to see them do a new version of the Invaders, with Bucky America on the team instead of USAgent (who I actually don't call USAgent but something else, but since this is a family board.....) and the original Human Torch fixed with his powers back. Even if its only a mini-series.
Quote from: Talavar on November 12, 2008, 01:58:46 PM
Add Blue Beetle to the cancellation pile.
Hopefully that will mean DC will get some sense and bring Ted Kord back. But NOT in his own series.
To add to the Nightwing/Robin/BoP cancellations. I heard on a podcast, whom read somewhere (and I'll try to track down the article)...
[spoiler]
Dick Grayson IS taking over as Batman. Damien Wayne will be stepping in as Robin. There's gonna be a new book called Red Robin (take a wild guess). BoP is being cancelled for low sales, I guess. And Robin... I don't know. The guys on the podcast had a theory that Tim Drake is the one behing all of this current Morrison- CrazyBats stuff.
[/spoiler]
In the interview where I got the Blue Beetle cancellation news from Didio denyed any of Nightwing, Robin, or BoP being cancelled due to low sales - they're all in the same, middle of the comic charts area. As for firm reasons as to why they were being cancelled though, he would only say that it relates to what's going on with Batman.
On that note, if it's true that Bruce Wayne isn't Batman at the end of RIP, I'm going to read Neil Gaiman's short run on Detective Comics & Batman (I think it's only 3 or 4 issues, and won't be involved in much modern continuity I assume) then I'm outta there.
And while I like Ted Kord and would like to see him back, the new Blue Beetle comic was good.
New Exiles is over.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=18844
I suspect this might not be the end though.
Quote from: Podmark on November 17, 2008, 09:17:11 AM
New Exiles is over.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=18844
I suspect this might not be the end though.
...
While I want to be happy...I won't express any joy about it ending until I know for sure Claremont is away from the picture. And if the idea is picked up again, hopefully the next writer will dump the current team sans Morph and maybe Sabretooth (when he returns to his top form) and bring in some none claremont creations (or some of the old team). Heck, I'll just be glad for a "good" writer with a love for the old book that doesn't have so many writing ticks.
Quote from: Podmark on November 17, 2008, 09:17:11 AM
New Exiles is over.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=18844
I suspect this might not be the end though.
This is the best news I've heard since the doctor told me that lump on my foot wasn't a tumor! Yay! :thumbup:
I hope New Exiles is ending; that'd be the one cancellation of all these that makes me happy.
Thank god, Exiles is going to be canceled. Really it was an awful comic.
Also, I'm a little annoyed at all the (not here) "good riddance" about Blue Beetle being canceled. It was a really good comic and I hate when people are always throwing the race card into the mix. I saw the same thing when Firestorm was canceled. The truth is both titles were very good but Golden and Silver age fans don't want to see new characters especially not "ethnics." It sort of hurts to see, "Finally, the last of the "ethnic reboots" has been cancelled..." in reference to Blue Beetle. It was a good title and honestly I thought Jamie was one of the good things that happened from the recent Crisis.
I guess people don't realize their ethnic group isn't the only one that should be represented all the time and with legacy characters, such as Blue Beetle, can be something other than fair skin and fine hair.
While I agree that more ethnic groups should be shown off, I don't think many of the readers are particularly one ethnic group that oppose another...consciously (or subconsciously). I think the main power at play is attachment to older characters and they're less than willing to give new characters a chance even when those characters turn out good.
Take for example Captain America...how many people opposed and still oppose the idea of Bucky taking over and came up with all sorts of reason to do so even though they never read the book, didn't know the direction, or even the situation behind many of the changes. They didn't even know samples of the writer's work, but constantly bashed the idea because "Steve" wasn't behind the mantle. I think the same idea comes into play for many characters that have been around for ages. I think it'll continue to happen as well until people open up a little more and are willing to break off their old attachments and give something new a shot.
Quote from: AfghanAnt on November 18, 2008, 08:59:20 AM
"Finally, the last of the "ethnic reboots" has been canceled..."
Wow....you'd think comic book readers would be a little more open minded. Shocking.
I think Prev brings up an excellent point. I sometimes wonder if people just cling to these ideas of what certain characters should be and label any other interpretation or re-imagination as wrong. It's sad to see segments of the industry(*cough DC cough*) being dictated by these close minded fans. "As long as Bart Allen's The Flash I'm never buying anything Flash based ever again!" I'm sure we've all heard or read similar quotes to that on the topic of most character changes. Change brings more possibilities to a title in my opinion. Change is good. Except if Hershey's decided to change their candy bars from milk chocolate to dark chocolate...that would be bad.
I just think it is odd when people say they hate Jason Rusch Firestorm when Ronnie had gone through so may failed revivals, Elemental statuses, and just bad storylines. If anything I would be happy to finally see a character without so much baggage. DC comics becomes so convoluted because there is so much change that doesn't stick and then they come through with the clean up crisis every twenty years or so "fix" the inconsistent characterization or flat out character assassination.
As far as Blue Beetle Jamie, he's a legacy character. I think it was interesting the beetle scarab actually did something like it did previously. Did Ted ever show any abilities with it?
Either way, I understand but I guess I would rather they be seen as Kyle Rayner or Connor Hawke where it was a hate for a new character rather than an ethnic character.
Quote from: AfghanAnt on November 18, 2008, 10:17:44 AM
Either way, I understand but I guess I would rather they be seen as Kyle Rayner or Connor Hawke where it was a hate for a new character rather than an ethnic character.
And where are Kyle and Connor now? Secondary characters to the restored originals. Firestorm is in the JLA, and I suspect Beetle will remain in the Teen Titans, so they seem to suffering a similar fate to those two. Kyle and Connor are among my fav DC characters, and I like the new Firestorm more than the old one. About even on the Blue Beetles. But yeah it's disappointing to see that attitude, but I doubt there'd have been a major difference if they weren't ethnic. Also is Connor Hawke ethnic?
February seems to be the month cancellations:
Ultimate X-Men
Ultimate Fantastic Four
She-Hulk
New Exiles
Nightwing
Robin
Birds of Prey
Blue Beetle
For most of these creative changes (RIP, Final Crisis, Ultimatum, Dark Reign) are to blame, and the rest low sales and the poor economy having publishers cutting off low selling books.
Quote from: Podmark on November 18, 2008, 11:00:03 AM
Also is Connor Hawke ethnic?
I believe so. Half white, half black. I'll check it out for you just to be sure. And yeah, Connor's a great character. I love his whole zen-buddha thing.
She-Hulk too? *sigh* I just started getting into the book this year. Typical.
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And I want to add that I remember reading several blog like post about Ultimatum and how it basically goes against the formula of the Ultimate verse and I think I agree.
Going off-topic...again:
The ultimate verse wasn't suppose to be big on events and continuity...so the whole background for Ultimatum and it's uber status change function (and really...these status change events don't really "help" things most the time) kinda contradicts the original premise. In fact...all the events the Ultimate verse has had has just created a bunch of convoluted continuity that slowly began to rip the universe apart. It didn't help that Marvel brought Bendis and Millar into the 616 universe to implement some Ultimate elements therefore making the Ultimate verse more or less obsolete. Goooo, Quesada! ^^
Quote from: Podmark on November 18, 2008, 11:00:03 AM
Also is Connor Hawke ethnic?
It depends on the writer it seems. I always thought he was half-Korean and Half-African from his mom & half-Ollie but with New Earth I no longer know. I always loved Connor because he was refreshing as well Kyle when they inherited their mantles. In a way I felt like I was finally inheriting iconic comic ideas myself.
Quote from: Podmark on November 18, 2008, 11:00:03 AM
She-Hulk
No! I was finally starting to like the title.
Quote from: Previsionary on November 18, 2008, 11:41:45 AM
The ultimate verse wasn't suppose to be big on events and continuity...so the whole background for Ultimatum and it's uber status change function (and really...these status change events don't really "help" things most the time) kinda contradicts the original premise. In fact...all the events the Ultimate verse has had has just created a bunch of convoluted continuity that slowly began to rip the universe apart. It didn't help that Marvel brought Bendis and Millar into the 616 universe to implement some Ultimate elements therefore making the Ultimate verse more or less obsolete. Goooo, Quesada! ^^
I actually read that Loeb wrote the Ultimates script for 616 which I can easily believe.
Quote from: AfghanAnt on November 18, 2008, 11:49:52 AM
Quote from: Previsionary on November 18, 2008, 11:41:45 AM
The ultimate verse wasn't suppose to be big on events and continuity...so the whole background for Ultimatum and it's uber status change function (and really...these status change events don't really "help" things most the time) kinda contradicts the original premise. In fact...all the events the Ultimate verse has had has just created a bunch of convoluted continuity that slowly began to rip the universe apart. It didn't help that Marvel brought Bendis and Millar into the 616 universe to implement some Ultimate elements therefore making the Ultimate verse more or less obsolete. Goooo, Quesada! ^^
I actually read that Loeb wrote the Ultimates script for 616 which I can easily believe.
It's been mentioned a few times and I brought it up in the ultimatum thread. It's disappointing and it's even more disappointing that Millar was quoted as saying, "his storyline kind of matched where I wanted to go", and even Bendis helped to support this idea [he ad loeb shared scripts]. Writers I typically liked helped push this idea through without pointing out obvious flaws and making it more ultimized and it's sad.
She-hulk's going too? Come February, I'm not going to be buying many comics anymore I guess. That sucks.
hmm i only ever got the tpb, but i stopped just before new exiles, i think the last one was where everyone went home
guess i jumped at the right time
Quote from: Previsionary on November 18, 2008, 12:22:11 PM
It's been mentioned a few times and I brought it up in the ultimatum thread. It's disappointing and it's even more disappointing that Millar was quoted as saying, "his storyline kind of matched where I wanted to go", and even Bendis helped to support this idea [he ad loeb shared scripts]. Writers I typically liked helped push this idea through without pointing out obvious flaws and making it more ultimized and it's sad.
It's funny, Bendis filled in for Quesada on his MySpace column Friday, and said that in creative summits Loeb is the one who always finds the logic errors in others stories. Considering he's usually worse than most at illogical stories that can't be good for Marvel publishing.
Or maybe no one does the same for Loeb's stories.
Quote from: Podmark on November 18, 2008, 08:10:39 PM
Or maybe no one does the same for Loeb's stories.
THIS.