check out the new teaser trailer:
http://www.comingsoon.net/films.php?id=15870
I think it looks pretty good. Just as good as the first one anyways. A lot of people I know, both fans of superheros and not, find Hellboy lame though, claiming, at least for the movie, it was too hard to suspend their disbelief. What's the general consensus on this board though? Fans of Hellboy?
I've never heard of him until the first movie came out, which I'll admit, I thought looked ridiculous, but decided to give it a chance after it got decent reviews and was pleasantly surprised. Most of my friends disagreed though and thought it sucked. This sequel looks pretty good though.
Looks cool! I liked the first one. What'd so much harder to believe than lots of similar films? His hand?
Umm..
The first Hellboy movie was amazing, and very much grounded in reality.
This one looks much more like the comic, and feels more 'mystic' and 'supernatural', which are two main aspects of the source material.
Quote from: Figure Fan on December 20, 2007, 06:13:19 PM
The first Hellboy movie was amazing, and very much grounded in reality.
I hope that is a joke. O.o
Quote from: Ajax on December 20, 2007, 08:32:06 PM
Quote from: Figure Fan on December 20, 2007, 06:13:19 PM
The first Hellboy movie was amazing, and very much grounded in reality.
I hope that is a joke. O.o
Uhh..no, it isn't.
The first movie was set in realistic time periods (both past and present), dealt with real world events like WW2, and featured numerous characters who were like regular people. Sure, it dealt with magic and supernatural characters too, but it was still predominantly based in a contemporary reality; our reality.
Quote"The Spear of Longinus, recovered from Hitler in 1958."
"You mean '45. Hitler died in '45."
"Did he now?"
Yes, completely grounded in reality :P
I'll admit I laughed at the time, but realism it ain't.
Quote from: Figure Fan on December 20, 2007, 10:40:25 PM
Quote from: Ajax on December 20, 2007, 08:32:06 PM
Quote from: Figure Fan on December 20, 2007, 06:13:19 PM
The first Hellboy movie was amazing, and very much grounded in reality.
I hope that is a joke. O.o
Uhh..no, it isn't.
The first movie was set in realistic time periods (both past and present), dealt with real world events like WW2, and featured numerous characters who were like regular people. Sure, it dealt with magic and supernatural characters too, but it was still predominantly based in a contemporary reality; our reality.
Actually FF, Hellboy isn't grounded in reality. It's fantasy (I'm not certain of the sub-genre because I'm not thinking about it, but people seem to forget that fantasy can reference history and such). Being set in a time period does not make it more realistic. That's equivalent to saying Captain America is realistic because he was in a war. If anything, it's alternate history...another sub-genre of fantasy.
well, whatever you want to call it, most of my friends had a harder time suspending their disbelief with Hellboy because of the makeup. Most see Ron Pearlman with red body paint, a goofy glove, and trench coat, followed by a fish man (which I'm still a little lost on. I'm only familiar with Hellboy because of the movie and it didn't really explain who or what Abe was) and they decide the movies fantasy elements are just a bit too much, especially given the fact it's pitted in realistic time periods.
But I enjoyed it. It's not the best superhero/comic book movie adaptation I've seen, but far from the worst.
check out the cartoons too, they're really well done!
Loved the first one. Looks like this one is going to be great. Definitely will see it in the theatre! Thanks for the link, TheMarvell.
I also loved the first one. Ron Perlman was such a fine choice of actor for the role. I can't wait to see this one!
The first one had to grow on me.
Something felt off when I first saw it...
Upon subsequent viewings I like it a lot more.
The second one looks like more of the same only emphasis on the "MORE" So I'm looking forward to it.
Thats said, no amount of time has fixed the abruptness and underwhelming sense of "Thats it?" that the first films ending brought. Thats still my biggest gripe. I'm really hoping they don't fall into that trap with the second one.
And I will second the opinion that the new animated movies they've been putting out are really good...
As an aside, is it just me or does the villain in the new trailer seem a lot like the Wraith from Stargate Atlantis
the whole ending takes place in my backyard
NORTHERN IRELAND BABY WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
sorry i think its cool
I want to see more of Mr. Krauss :cool:
Quote from: TheMarvell on December 20, 2007, 11:50:01 PM
well, whatever you want to call it, most of my friends had a harder time suspending their disbelief with Hellboy because of the makeup. Most see Ron Pearlman with red body paint, a goofy glove, and trench coat, followed by a fish man (which I'm still a little lost on. I'm only familiar with Hellboy because of the movie and it didn't really explain who or what Abe was) and they decide the movies fantasy elements are just a bit too much, especially given the fact it's pitted in realistic time periods.
But I enjoyed it. It's not the best superhero/comic book movie adaptation I've seen, but far from the worst.
I really hope your friends aren't that mentally unadaptable. It seems they couldn't handle almost anything I would enjoy. The makeup I understand( disagree with people are way too anal about this sort of thing) but the mixture of realistic and fantastic elements so common in almost every fantasy/comic/supernatural movie. If your a fantastic movie fan my sympathies to you.
I gotta admit, I wasn't as thrilled by the first movie as I hoped I would be, but I never was particularly up to date with Hellboy in general. I really haven't summoned up the will to see it again, though I might after seeing this new trailer.
I enjoyed Hellboy as a character in the film, but I just felt like all the other aspects didn't quite match up.
Maybe its just me. :wacko:
looks cool, i still have mixed opinions on the first one but i i enjoyed the movie overall...
My friends aren't mentally unadaptable. They really enjoy fantasy movies of almost all genres. But Hellboy just didn't do it for them I guess. Most of them said that the looks of the characters made it really difficult to take the movie seriously, added with some of the cheesy one-liners specifically from Ron Pearlman.
I didn't feel the same way as they did, obviously, but I could see where they were coming from.
I just re-watched the first one with some friends last night and while it has it's flaws (horrible dialog, bad use of color, moments of awkward CGI) it is a really fun adventure movie with a whole slew of nerdy fantasy sci-fi elements.
The sequel (judging from the trailer) seems to suffer the same problems but it really looks like a big step forward. Honestly I cant wait, this will be a ton of fun.
hellboy is a fun movie.sometimes i'll watch a movie and i dont get it but the second time i watch it it connects.i think it will be just as enjoyable as the first.i guess abe is just some kind of mutant like the fire chick.hellboys movie was better than the ghostrider attempt.
For the longest time all that was known about Abe Sapien was that he was a fishman found in a tube in Washington DC. There was a piece of paper attached to it with the date of Abe Lincoln's assasination on it, thus the name. That's all you needed to know, really.
Hellboy is essentially about a bunch of blue collar everymen, who happen to be weirdo monstery people, who fight a bunch of more mystical type folk, and more monsters, and nazi heads in jars with robot gorilla henchmen, and old gods that men were not meant to know.
The first movie... was an alright action movie. It wasn't super great by any means, but it wasn't hard to suspend disbelief, and Ron Perlman was the perfect man to play Hellboy. He pretty much looks like that anyhow. If it wasn't about Hellboy (I'm a fan) and sweet monsters, but instead conventional action movie fare, then I wouldn't have liked it at all.
This second movie, though, looks like it could be better. More fantasy type elements can mean more fun. Or it could mean they try too hard and it comes off like Underworld or something like that.
Quote from: UnkoMan on December 26, 2007, 11:19:54 PMThis second movie, though, looks like it could be better. More fantasy type elements can mean more fun. Or it could mean they try too hard and it comes off like Underworld or something like that.
If this comes true, you'd better run far and fast to avoid a severe beating from the rabid fans.....and the casual fans, alike. :evil:
;)
I love the Hellboy comics, and I'm a big fan of the character. I really enjoyed the first movie, and although I know it had its flaws, I found it a great take on the character, with more hope than usually find its way into Mignola's stories. I'm REALLY looking forward to the next one!
I actually thought the first film was ok, aside from a bit of a rushed climax.
BUMP!
this comes out soon and it's getting great reviews so far. It was at 100% on RT, but a single review knocked it down to 92% and it doesn't sound too credible, so bleh. This seems like a good year for superhero movies, no?
I'm super stoked on this movie.
The first one is in my top 3 favorite movie adaptations of comic characters (beats the heck out of all 3 Spider-man and X-Men movies, IMO), and this one looks to be even better.
Yeah, I'm getting excited about this one too! The previews just look INCREDIBLY cool. Does anyone know what comic stories it is drawing from? I couldn't recognize anything in the preview, but they adapted pretty liberally in the first one, so that doesn't mean anything.
I don't think it's pulling from any specific Hellboy stories. Mignola and Guillermo Del Toro have both talked about a desire to keep the movie continuity and comic continuity fairly separate.
That said, I'm super-stoked to see this as well. The first Hellboy movie was a lot of fun, and the sequel looks, and the early buzz on it, like it will be better.
Some have complained about the climax to the last film being underwhelming or rushed, but that was largely an issue of budget and production time. Given the success of the first Guillermo Del Toro's increased clout after Pan's Labyrinth, and he seems to have been given more money and support by the studio.
Anybody else see Hellboy 2 this weekend? I did, and really enjoyed it. It's increasingly divergent from the comics that spawned it in terms of plot, but the characterization is so well done that I don't care - and the storyline they've gone with instead wasn't bad at all either.
I don't feel like doing a big, spoiler-filled review or anything, but it was good, and well-worth your movie-going dollars.
I saw this film today. Beware the extreme spoilers! Look away! Look away!
[spoiler]My initial reaction is a tad "Meh," but I think I need to meditate on this sequel more before I pass final judgment on it. It's definitely worth seeing at the matinee price, but I'm not convinced that Hellboy II: The Golden Army is a remarkable improvement on the first film. In terms of special effects and action sequences, of course, this film is a huge improvement (no man-in-an-ill-fitting-monster-suit characters in this film, to be certain), but the story (which had too much to cover in too little time), the sing-along (aye, I chuckled at it, but now I wonder why), the expectation of children (which could have been explored for its interracial(?)/interspecial(?) implications, but wasn't to any appreciable degree), and the underutilisation (not to mention strange attitude shift) of Tambor's character (gotta love the Tambor ;)) left me with "Meh." There were some very good moments, however, and I hope to post about them later.[/spoiler]
ow_tiobe_sb
Phantom Bunburyist and Fop o' th' Morning
This is one of the greatest movies ever. I found NOTHING bad about it and the fight scenes and special effects were mindblowing awesome! A HUGE improvement on the first flick which I did like!
[spoiler]I'm not a baby... I'm a TUMOR[/spoiler]
As someone who liked the first film, I don't think it needed a ton of improvement. The biggest problems, in my opinion, with the first were the underwhelming final battle, the sudden absence of supporting characters in the final act of the movie (Abe), and the shoe-horning of the explanation-character, Meyers. All were corrected in the sequel.
Quote from: Talavar on July 13, 2008, 06:23:20 PM
As someone who liked the first film, I don't think it needed a ton of improvement. The biggest problems, in my opinion, with the first were the underwhelming final battle, the sudden absence of supporting characters in the final act of the movie (Abe), and the shoe-horning of the explanation-character, Meyers. All were corrected in the sequel.
Don't misunderstand me, Talavar. I, too, enjoyed the first film a great deal, and I currently believe that the screenplay (or editing) for the first film might have been more satisfying (to me) than the one for the sequel.
[spoiler]The pregnancy subplot seemed ham-handed (even for Hellboy), and the film (which may be the victim of ruthless editing) seemed to make use of this subplot merely to A. defer the release of tensions between HB and Liz until the Angel of Death asks the latter to B. give HB a reason to live. (I realise that another upshot of this subplot is that Hellboy will assume the mantle of father that his adoptive father, "Broom," previously held, thereby completing the "boy's" evolution into a "man." This much was clear in the obvious omission of the indefinite article ("a"): "I become Father?" Of course, I've railed against trite patrilineal motifs elsewhere and will refrain from doing so here.) This somewhat disappointing subplot stands in contradistinction to the tragic love story between Abe and Princess Nuala, whose awkwardness and innocence I found well balanced and touching (especially the scene of Nuala's suicide, wherein she leaves a weeping Abe embracing a stone statue). In many ways,
Hellboy II struck me as Abe's movie and an attempt to redress his absences during the first film.
Johann Krauss proved to be a humorous, enjoyable addition to the team, but he seemed almost too versatile. I say "almost" because his limitation appears to be his strict modus operandi when it comes to conducting investigations (cf. the scene in the troll market wherein Krauss's attempts at conducting formal interviews prove fruitless). The character's "teleplasty," I should add, was very exciting (especially in the battle with the Golden Army) and much more effective than Hellboy's reanimation technique (used in the first film).
Luke Goss and Anna Walton provide pleasing performances as the twin elves at odds. Prince Nuada, the patricide, takes the lead in perhaps my favourite moment of pathos in the entire film: the prince gives Hellboy, with babe in arms, pause when he informs the armed "big red ape" that the creature in his crosshairs, a plant elemental, is the last of its kind. I won't spoil the rest of the scene, which provides a terrific example of Guillermo del Toro's haunting, magical aesthetic.
More--much more--could have happened between Manning (Tambor) and Krauss, but, sadly, Tambor's character seemed to take satisfaction in the backseat that Washington and the German doctor offered him. Amidst the dichotomies of command/obey, right/might, etc., that the film explores (often to great effect), Manning's lot seemed to be resolved rather early in the film and never reexamined (and even the protocol-obsessed Krauss had his moment of reflection and redemption).
I should also mention that, toward the end of the film (when Liz was busy reviving HB), I received the distinct impression that
Hellboy II: The Golden Army was both del Toro's homage to
The Lord of the Rings Trilogy,
The Matrix Trilogy (at least
The Matrix and
The Matrix Reloaded), and
The Dark Crystal/
Labyrinth/Jim Henson in general AND an attempt to cash in on the generic conventions and innovations of all three. ;)
In the end, I still think that
Hellboy (with the warmth and gnostic grace of John Hurt's Prof. "Broom") balanced its formula reasonably well the first time (aye, the finale was a bit rushed and anticlimactic), whereas
Hellboy II left me with the impression that its bigger budget opened too many doors, got its hands stuck in too many pots, and did not quite achieve the same consistency of believable characterisation and good storytelling that its predecessor did. I look forward to the DVD (which I will purchase) so that I can prove my first impression wrong.[/spoiler]
ow_tiobe_sb
Phantom Bunburyist and Fop o' th' Morning
Overall grade: C
[spoiler]Pros:
-Great SFX (the forest god looked awesome)
-Great fight scenes (everything with the prince was great)
-The characters were a little more interesting this time around
Cons:
-OMG... did George Lucas write the dialog for this thing?! I was sitting there CRINGING all throughout it... the dialog was so, so, SO bad. I wanted to cry.
-Um... scenes blatantly copied from Hellboy 1? WHY?! Fighting while carrying kittens --> Fighting while carrying baby. Hellboy literally calls Liz back to life --> Liz literally calls Hellboy back to life. Rasputin appearing out of nowhere to talk to Bruttenholm --> Prince appearing out of nowhere to talk to Hellboy. The baby one was the worst, though.
-Okay, yeah, Selma Blair's hot... but did they need to find every excuse they could to show her in panties?! The first time, fine, but the second was excessive.
-The jokes... OH GOD the jokes. ;_;
-Manning's character turned from a pain in the ### to a simpering #####.
-They couldn't get an actual German person to voice Krauss? Really?
-Terrible, terrible acting from the princess, Liz, and even Abe at a few points.
-Yaknow, Doug Jones has a perfectly serviceable voice for Abe... but why didn't they add that ever-so-slight echo to it like they did with David Hyde Pierce? It just sounded so... flat. Ugh.
Worth the price of admission for the FX and fight scenes, but wow... the terrible script and awful acting were pulling me out of the movie about every five minutes. This is easily the worst Del Toro movie I've ever seen.[/spoiler]
finally got a chance to see the movie now that it's out on DVD, and I definitely enjoyed it. There's not much I can say that hasn't already been said, but I think it's really about on par as the first one, which I really enjoyed. The only part I thought was kinda dumb was the forest god, which was just way too similar to the cthulu-inspired squid monster at the end of the first one. And yeah, the baby part was unnecessary. But other than that, it was a really fun movie to watch.
Saw it last Friday night. I give it a solid B+. And I actually liked it better than the first one....which I happened to like as well. The fx were amazing and the story really decent.
[spoiler]The villain (Nuada) was my favorite. He was an elegant bad arse. Stately and arrogant bad guys are some of the most enjoyable types imho. Loved the addition of Johan to the team. It was hilarious when he beat up Hellboy! Still enjoying Hell Boy himself...seeing Abe develop more (and having a crush on the elven princess), and it was great to see Liz get formidable with her powers and not sheepish as she was in the first one. Loved all the Celtic/Northern European'ish mythology in it. Great action too! [/spoiler]
I actually thought this film was average up until the scene where Hellboy & co found the canary-eating troll using the special glasses. From that point onwards, I thought the film was great ... wonderful FX, action, and some surprisingly good acting by everyone (except for Selma Blair).
Quote from: Jakew on December 02, 2008, 04:55:48 PM
I actually thought this film was average up until the scene where Hellboy & co found the canary-eating troll using the special glasses. From that point onwards, I thought the film was great ... wonderful FX, action, and some surprisingly good acting by everyone (except for Selma Blair).
[spoiler]The fragglewump
feared canaries and ate cats, but I will agree with you about Blair's role. On second thought, her acting might not be to blame; IMHO, her part might have been the victim of poor writing or extensive editing (or her work schedule on, say, the latest television series imported to America from overseas).[/spoiler]
After watching the DVD approximately three times, I can say that there are many subtle motifs at play that are often eclipsed by the various action sequences. I won't bore anyone with my more detailed thoughts here, but suffice it to say that the movie wears better after repeated viewings. If you saw it in the theatre, I recommend renting the DVD and watching it at least twice before returning it. There are still a number of irksome groaners that prove impossible to ignore, but there are other diamonds in the rough worth spotting when one has the luxury of hitting the PAUSE and REWIND buttons.
ow_tiobe_sb
Phantom Bunburyist and Fop o' th' Morning
I loved this film absolutely unrepentantly! I thought it was utterly fantastic, way better than the first one, which I did like (I just felt like it was a bit rushed). I really enjoyed all of the character moments with Abe and Hellboy, and I thought the villains were cool. The special effects........my goodness the special effects.....every filmmaker who wants to make an effects laden film should be REQUIRED to watch this. The live action and CGI were really blended well, and there were tons of physical effects. I know the story had some weaknesses, but just like with Ironman, they were complete non-factors to me. The film was just plain awesome.
Tiobe, I would definitely be interested in your analysis, but then again, I am in the field, after all.