Hey all,
About a year and a half or so ago, I had an idea for an all controller SG called Containment Crew. I think it still exists on Virtue. FI and I were the only members, because he was the one willing to help me discover that one controller's immobs/holds gives other teammate controllers the Containment bonus.
Until this afternoon, I more or less forgot about it.
I know there are other all-controller SGs out there (kinda like Buffer Overrun, etc.). But the idea behind Containment Crew is to classify members into tactical functions. Like the following:
Group 1) Containers -- characters whose role it is to get Containment bonuses going. Some controller sets are better at this than others. -- Grav, Earth, Ice, etc.
Group 2) Debuffers/Buffers -- characters whose role it is to boost his/her teammates and debuff the enemies -- Rad, Kinetics, Sonic, FF, etc. These characters would take Leadership power pool.
Group 3) Damage dealers -- The two sets that come to mind the most are Fire and Illusion.
So first of all, is there any interest in something like this? Many people stay away from controllers, b/c they hear they're tough. I think this idea allows people to try out a controller and realize how awesome they are. Also, anyone have power set ideas for any of these three groups?
Thanks,
Tort
CONTAINMENT CREW ROSTER:
Updated: 04/30/2007
Atomic Pyre - Fire/Rad - B A D
Psykotronic - Illusion/Sonic - El Condor
Baseline - Earth /Rad - Tortuga
Faeryn - Fire/Storm - Spud
Facula - Fire/Storm - Ephy
UR-532 - Earth/Rad - Middy
Ngalyod - Earth/Storm - Gday
Mr Newton - Grav/Kin - Adamence
Geospiker - Earth/Rad - MikeB7
Radar- - Grav/Sonic - MJB
Cold Beer Fusion - Ice/Rad - Viking
Mind Your Mother - Mind/Sonic - Stoppy
Maxwell Miracle - Illusion/? - Bluebard
Foxy Nefretiti - Ill/Sonic - Train Wreck
Psilynx - Mind/FF - Verfall
Shacklebolt - grav/kin - Texas Jack
Time Titan - Grav/Kin - Time Titan
Cajun Cookin - Fire/Empathy - Camma
Cool Arrow - Ice/Arrow - FP
Lunar Girl - Grav/Rad - Alaric7
Oklo - Earth/Rad - Ephy
Moon-Blossom - Fire/TA - Train Wreck
Snowbore - Ice/FF - MikeB7
Entropy Incarnate - ?/? - Mondy
Mister Mysterious - ?/? - Direwolf
Sounds interesting, and i have never gotten into controllers both cuz of the slower start and they are defenders' older bullying cousin who takes our stuff :lol:
But i do have an Illusion troller on freedom who doesnt have a home. Now you mentioned virtue, would this stay there or are you coming to freedom with this?
I'm game, if only cos you know how I don't have enough toons already needing attention ;)
Maxwell Miracle is a 17th level Illusion/Empathy Controller who is currently homeless on Virtue. I'd be interested in putting him in there. He's not much of a damage dealer... but Phantom Army is right around the corner.
If on Freedom, Astragirl is currently without an SG -- she's a level 20 Gravity/Kinetic Controller.
Judging from the number of Controllers in the pick-up teams I've been getting, I'd say there's enough controllers out there to give it a try.
I'm psyched about this idea because it would just be another twist on playing the game - another facet of the prism to look through, as it were. Plus, my guess is that a good combination of controller types could make a team downright bad (to put it in Cali & Soulshriek terms)!
My only 'troller is on Freedom and newly hatched, so I'd be the more famiilar kind of bad. :P But I'd be happy to join up. I'd be willing to roll a new controller on Virtue if need be.
EC
I have Photon-Storm on Freedom who is illusion/storm and is currently at lvl 19. If you do this on Freedom, I would be glad to include him.
I can't do it on Freedom, no slots left.
On Virtue I have three trollers-- Fire/Kin at 12, Grav/Storm at 15, and Ill/Sonic at 25. I'm also happy to roll another one if we're starting lowbies.
As for build advice...
-We really only need one Kin. The set is godlike for Trollers, but it stacks very poorly with itself.
-Rad has the best self-stacking of all the sets.
-For damage dealing, we'd need a few Fire trollers. It has the earliest, and most consistent damage of all the sets. That said, it's a massive endurance pig. Tech origin is basically mandatory so you can slot Faultline EndRedux SOs at level 10.
-One Illusion person would be helpful to let us tank AVs. Plus they do damage past 32.
-I'd recommend one Force Field person for the status protection (sonic would work too, but I *believe* you wait longer for the bubble). Troller toggles tend to have longish recharge, it's very annoying to have them mezzed off. It also just slows down the wrecking ball.
-Empaths will be fairly worthless. Almost everybody will have mitigation or healing of some sort, so we don't need dedicated healers. The buffs arrive way too late to be useful to us.
-Containment people can be Ice, Earth, Grav, or Fire. Of them, Grav has the lowest AoE immob endurance cost (and so can spam it more easily), and Fire has the best radius.
For the defender sets, the general guideline is to look for AoE powers. Troller teams specialize in demolishing groups, so sets with AoE debuffs (Rad, Storm, uh... others...) are better than ones that do mostly single-target (Kin). Sets that don't touch opponents (Emp, Force Field) should be included in very limited numbers. The idea is to get powers that are Force Multipliers-- +DMG and +ACC to the whole team, or -RES and -DEF to enemy clusters. Once this team gets going, single-target powers simply won't be of much use.
(I'm assuming this alt project will fizzle after 20 levels or so, so I'm looking at powers and builds that are available by then)
Quote from: captainspud on April 26, 2007, 10:01:44 AM-I'd recommend one Force Field person for the status protection (sonic would work too, but I *believe* you wait longer for the bubble).
Nope. :) Sonic Dispersion and Dispersion Bubble both come at 20.
Mmkay. In that case, I'd recommend a Sonic over a Force Field, because they have the resistance debuffs.
That said-- I've been playing a Sonic, and it's kinda boring. :/
I could Do a Grav/Rad - Atomic Gravity has a nice Ring to it.
I've done very little with Controllers to date; Gdaysheila was originally Illus/Kin before she got wiped, Icepack's Ice/Emp. That's about it.
I wouldn't mind dabbling with an Earth controller of some sort.
Here are the controller sets:
Primary:
Earth Control - good containment
Fire Control - great dmg, containment
Gravity Control - good containment
Ice Control - good containment, slows
Illusion Control - great dmg, aggro
Mind Control - not sure where it fits
Secondary:
Empathy - heals, buffs
Force Field - buff-mania
Kinetics - buff-fest
Radiation Emission - debuff king
Sonic Resonance - buff-o-rama
Storm Summoning - some dmg, debuffs
Trick Arrow - debuffs
After looking at the power sets, it may not be so easy to 'categorize' the roles of the team. I guess you could think of it as 2 groups: dmg/debuffers and containment/buffers. :unsure:
As for which server, I dunno. I just made Doc Tectonic (Earth/Rad) on Freedom. He's currently in WBP and I wouldn't mind keeping him there. Virtue would work -- it's a fun server and I already have the SG made there. With global channels it's doable to step away from Freedom. :)
Enant's fantastic troller guide:
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=5642571
Personally, I'd prefer to do a Fire/something if we're doing new rolls. I've already done a Fire/Rad, but it was so much fun I wouldn't mind doing it again. Fire/Storm might be kinda cool... my Fire/Kin is kinda boring, but that's "so far". It'll change later. Plus it'll be better on a big team.
I have an unaffiliated level 1 fire/storm troller on virtue. I haven't really decided if it will remain fire/storm or change to fire/rad. I've never played fire control and have only dabbled in radiation emission and trick arrow. I'd prefer to stay away from the FotM, and trick arrow (bleh) conceptually makes no sense for this character.
Earth/Rad looks interesting. My Earth/Emp on Liberty was a blast with the old pentad.
I've never had more fun with a toon than I have with a Fire/Rad. I cannot recommend it highly enough. Fun, powerful, and not a FotM since the "real" FotM people all play Kin. And both sets stack exceptionally well, so even if multiple people roll the same toon, we'll reap full benefits, instead of capping out as you would with Emp or Kin.
Quote from: captainspud on April 26, 2007, 10:01:44 AM
For the defender sets, the general guideline is to look for AoE powers. Troller teams specialize in demolishing groups, so sets with AoE debuffs (Rad, Storm, uh... others...) are better than ones that do mostly single-target (Kin). Sets that don't touch opponents (Emp, Force Field) should be included in very limited numbers. The idea is to get powers that are Force Multipliers-- +DMG and +ACC to the whole team, or -RES and -DEF to enemy clusters. Once this team gets going, single-target powers simply won't be of much use.
Ah! Except for the holy grail of Fulcrum Shift... if you can get a Kin up that high, you're gold.
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(I'm assuming this alt project will fizzle after 20 levels or so, so I'm looking at powers and builds that are available by then)
You're always so optimistic...
If it's on another server other than Freedom I expect it to fizzle even sooner :P That's just the way it goes. No harm done.
I realized my troller on Virtue is Ice/Trick Arrow heh. I think I'll reroll Aunty Gravity if the name is available. She's Grav/something.
Anyway, invitations on Virtue have started to happen. Join when you wish!
[edit]Right now I've got Tyalopi (Ice/TA), Aunty Gravity (Grav/FF) and Red Aunt (Fire/Rad) in the group. Not that I plan to play them all...I might just bring Doc Tectonic over. :wacko: [/edit]
Changed my mind based on spud.
Fire Rad for moi.
QuoteAh! Except for the holy grail of Fulcrum Shift... if you can get a Kin up that high, you're gold.
Sure, but you don't get that until 2/3 of the way through your hero career. Kin is really slow and underwhelming for the first 37 levels... and even then, you need Fireball at 41 to really DO anything with all the extra damage. And then you need to slot it, etc etc.
Fire/Kins make great level 50s, but they're pretty awful to get there.
I've got a mind/FF troller at 7 on Virtue I can toss into this mix.
Here is my guy(Radar-). He's a Grav/Sonic Controller.
(http://www.captainspud.com/mjb/images/radar_1.jpg)
I'll be on the lookout for you guys...
-MJB
Quote from: MJB on April 27, 2007, 12:47:32 AM
Here is my guy(Radar-). He's a Grav/Sonic Controller.
(http://www.captainspud.com/mjb/images/radar_1.jpg)
I'll be on the lookout for you guys...
-MJB
He so sexy! ;)
EC
I made a Controller last night
In Australian Aboriginal legend, much of Australia's landscape was formed by the movement of the Rainbow Serpent, Ngalyod. As it moved across the otherwise flat landscape, its body carved valleys and shoved up mountains and the like. Ngalyod's also associated with rain and storms, so the earth/storm combo of powersets fit the theme.
While Ngalyod is (in my experience, at least) usually referred to as "it", there's a rock formation called the Devil's Marbles in the Northern Territory. According to legend, they're the eggs of the Rainbow Serpent - that'd make the giant snake a female.
Thus, I made Ngalyod - a very tall (the serpent was enormous) female earth/storm controller. She's Australian Aboriginal, so dark skinned, but i tried to bring the Rainbow aspect by having colours starting from red hair, and working down to violet boots. I'd post a screeny, but... I didn't take one. Heh.
Dunno if I'll stick with this concept, but it's something to work with for now at least.
I've got a lvl 7 Earth/Rad controller (Geospiker) I made in like the first six months of owning the game, lol. He's a troll that was abandoned as a child in a radioactive area of the Hollows, rescued and raised by an ex-Crey scientist couple on the run. So he's got the mad-on for both Trolls and Crey.
Based upon what I've seen so far, I think I'll go Illusion/Sonic.
EC
Made an Earth/Rad on virtue last night, UR-503 or somesuch. I'll drag him out of outbreak when I've got time.
I now have a 1st level Grav/Rad controller on Virtue- not sure that I'm really into the whole "one AT sg" thing, but I'm willing to give it a try.
So much for Earth being one of the least common primaries (*chuckles*)
Looks like Ice and Mind are going to be the least represented... I'd make a mind one, but I already have a Mind/ForceField on Freedom...
BAH! I may make another just for variety then. :P
All ranks have the ability to invite, so if you're in CC and you see someone online that isn't -- invite away!
Mind Your Mother, Mind/Sonic, reporting for duty!
For anybody who doesn't have a particular concept in mind: please no more Sonics. We've got five. @_@
We're short on Rad, and we could use a few more Fire peeps. Oh, and as a general request-- if your primary has an AoE immob, please take it.
I've played with quite a few of the SG members, and it's working well so far. If everybody could get to at least six, and maximum seven, we can start to do a big team.
GO TROLLERS! :D
It might be helpful if folks who are in the SG or intend to be in it post their builds. [edit]I'll post a roster in the first post of this thread[/edit]
Most people are rolling new toons, so how about let's get those toons to lvl 10 and then have a team-up night to see how it goes.
Tort
[edit] I'm bringing Doc Tectonic over. He'll be Earth/Rad or Earth/Kin[/edit]
[edit again!] all variations of Doc Tectonic were taken! not sure what his name will be now [/edit]
Only had an hour or so to play tonight; Ngalyod's on the cusp of 5, and has her AoE Immob, just to make Spud happy
UR-532 (or something) is level 4 and is packing raddy goodness. :)
What with the multiple people taking Earth Control, I just don't have the impulse to make my Earth Controller concept, Dr. Hu.
Specifically, Dr. Hu Flung Pu. He wasn't particularly happy with his given birth name, and he really didn't want his hero name to be the Pu Pu Platter, so he'd generally just prefer to be called The Doctor...
At any rate - that should be enough punning to make Spud weep for a while. Gotta figure out another concept.
Facula - Fire/Storm
Faeryn - Fire/Storm
Psykotronic - Illusion/Sonic
Baseline - Earth/Rad
Vikes, I picked earth b/c it's a set I hadn't ever played before. Plus I thought it would go well with Rad. :)
Well after one day, we're already 20+ members! Thanks for joining up, folks. Right now, Baseline has Founder status, and Spud's toon has Architect status so he can make the base all functional and purty. Besides that, anyone who wants to be a leader can be. Just let me know somehow. There are certain permissions that I'll just keep to Founder status, but otherwise it'll be even across the board, if that's what folks want.
5 ranks is way too many, btw ;)
Atomic Pyre
Guess.
If anyone's still interested in making a CC member or rerolling here's what we seem to have a lot of...
-Primary:
Gravity and Earth
-Secondary:
Sonic and Radiation
What we DON'T have a lot of...
-Primary:
Mind, Illusion, Ice
-Secondary:
Empathy, Trick Arrow, Force Field, Kinetics
Out of those sets, the one we need more of is Illusion -- this is a key power set, especially later when facing AVs or GMs. It's great for aggro and damage. More Rad, Kinetics or Force Field would be the secondaries we could use more of.
We could also use more Fire, as it's a great dmg set.
[edit] BEcause I'm a list guy (it drives Madam T nuts) here's how many of what we have:
Primary:
Earth Control - 4
Fire Control - 5
Gravity Control - 5
Ice Control - 2
Illusion Control - 2
Mind Control - 2
Secondary:
Empathy - 1
Force Field - 1
Kinetics - 3
Radiation Emission - 6
Sonic Resonance - 4
Storm Summoning - 3
Trick Arrow - 2
FYI... Maxwell Miracle is Illusion/Empathy (which Tort is aware of, but everyone else may not be.)
I might consider doing a version of Astragirl on Virtue. I've come to believe she should have been Grav/FF instead of Grav/Kin like she is on Freedom.
I forgot to post that my toon is Cool Arrow (ice control/trick arrow, in case you couldn't guess). I could create another toon to fill in for the deficiencies if you feel that is necessary, Tort.
Ultimately, I've made Cold Beer Fusion, an Ice/Radiation Controller.
Made Kiem. He's an Ill/TA troller. Probably won't delete him today. :p
Quote from: Midnight on May 01, 2007, 01:28:57 AM
Made Kiem. He's an Ill/TA troller. Probably won't delete him today. :p
That's a fun combo. I have one on another server.
I 're-imagined' Astragirl and put her on Virtue as Grav/FF. Up to 6th level so far, and mostly Grav powers.
But here's the thing... I don't want her on the Crew full time. I'd like her to have a sort of 'affiliated hero' status. She would contribute Salvage and anything else that is possible to contribute.
Would that be okay?
I know, the question is... why do I want to be a part-timer and why should anyone go out of their way to accomodate this odd notion?
Well, as to the first... mainly I don't want an unsightly cube pasted on her chest every time I play in a pick-up team or travelling from point to point. It wouldn't look right, and it doesn't fit my concept of this character. I'd spend a lot of time out of SG mode when not playing with anyone else in the Crew and I'd do a lot of switching back and forth. No offense intended; I'm just being honest.
As to the second, there is no compelling reason why anyone should accomodate this odd notion. Other than what little prestige, Salvage or other drops she might bring in, I recognize that the Crew doesn't benefit much from the association. I want her to work with the Crew whenever possible, that's all.
You know you can suppress the SG emblem, right? It's a checkbox at the bottom of the SG colours screen.
What Spud said. Just go to the screen where you can customize your SG uniform and hit the "hide SG emblem" (or whatever it's called) button at the bottom of the screen- dependiong on your costume, you may have to scroll down to see it.
Quote from: BlueBard on May 01, 2007, 08:06:53 AM
Well, as to the first... mainly I don't want an unsightly cube pasted on her chest
Unsightly?!
It's a box.
A container.
Containment Crew.
I'm not one to care much about prestige -- it'll happen when it does -- but if I were to care about it, it would be at the beginning of a SG, when you're in the process of acquiring base items. Once we have base items, prestige matters not.
But yeah, just turn off the emblem. Or don't play in SG mode. The game functioned for many months without SG mode, so one person not earning prestige is no biggie.
Tort
A-Ha. I did not know I could 'turn off' the emblem.
In that case, I'd have no problem staying in SG mode all the time.
As to the cube being 'unsightly', well, only as a chest tattoo. As a costume piece, I have no issues. :D
I say we beat him and just take his lunch money.
Quote from: B A D on May 01, 2007, 10:41:53 AM
I say we beat him her and just take his her lunch money.
The character is Astra
girl, BAD. And I guarantee there ain't no place to put lunch money in that outfit.
Maxwell Miracle dropped off his base salvage, as ordered.
When are we going to put in Enhancement storage/Invention Salvage vault? Not that I'm overflowing or anything, but I'm planning on Max being my main inventor on Virtue so I was wondering.
The vault costs $100k, I'm not sure if we're wealthy enough as of yet. You should probably just use the ones in the gameworld for now.
Quote from: captainspud on May 03, 2007, 09:29:05 AM
The vault costs $100k, I'm not sure if we're wealthy enough as of yet. You should probably just use the ones in the gameworld for now.
no prob. Thanks for the quick reply, Cap'n!
I'm just getting back into CoH, I'd love to join up....I'll make a character tonight. What to make though...hmmmm,