Howdy guys, this may be a tad unorthodox, but I have a suggestion for a contest of sorts. As most of you know I've been working on my take on the DC Universe for some time. I'm nearing the end of my first stage of production, and should have the beta ready before too agonizingly much longer (we'll see), but while I'm at work, the wheels in my head are usually grinding along with various story arcs and adventures for the 'comics' I want to release. Today I had an idea for a JLA story arc involving Per Degaton and the Crime Syndicate of Amerika...well, I won't say too much more, but suffice to say that I would really love to include a broader look at their peculiar world, and not just their modern era either.
What I'm proposing is that we have a contest to redesign DC heroes (from any time except the Legion's) as anti-matter counterparts of themselves. This can be actual skins (which I'd like, since I could include them), but also drawings, sketches, paintings, all art forms are welcome. I'd encourage all takers to come up with a back story and power set for their characters, as the winners will be added into the DCUG mod for use in this future story...or just for anyone with a penchant for kicking the tar out of anti-matter duplicates.
To get your wheels turning, there is a mention in the modern comics about a few different characters:
Dr. Noon=Dr. Midnite
White Cat=Black Canary
Spaceman=Starman
Also, a few suggestions have included the Venusian Womanhunter, etc. Also, feel free to experiment with 'good' versions of DC villains, like the Justice Underground. You can find some material to help you along here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_Syndicate_of_America
Okay everyone, I hope y'all are as excited about this as I am, I love the creativity of this community, and this is a chance for it to really shine. Please post your character titles and ideas if you want to get involved. Seeing as the actual mission that this would be part of is many moons away, this contest can stay open as long as there is interest.
Have fun!
:EDIT: Also, if you don't particularly feel your artistic talents up to the challenge, but want to contribute, fire off an idea or two, perhaps you'll inspire someone.
:EDIT 2: Here are characters that have already been done:
[spoiler]Superman-Ultraman
Batman-Owlman
Wonder Woman-Super Woman
Martian Manhunter-Venutian Womanhunter
Aquaman-Barracuda
Flash-Johnny Quick
Green Lantern-Power Ring
Supergirl-Ultragirl
Golden Age Flash
Golden Age Green Lantern
Heatwave-Fireshot
Dr. Light-Professor Radiant
Doctor Midnite-Dr. Noon
Robin-Redwing (or Talon)
Beast Boy-Creature (needs skin)
Cyborg-Robot (needs skin and better name)
Amazo-Ivodroid
Hawkman-Blood Eagle
Wildcat-Hellcat
Green Arrow-Deadshot
Riddler-Quizmaster
Atom-Nucleus
Professor Zoom-Dr. Speed
Star Sapphire-?
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sweet makin redesign dc heroes!!! :o
i'll get to thinking :huh:
great idea btw :thumbup:
:o :o :o i am really excited, i have some ideas flowing, we did something a bit similar to this in anotehr forum, but we did the j lords versions of the jla
Thanks for the interest guys, I hope more of the community will share your enthusiasm!
Hhhhmmmmmmmm......... Sounds interesting but I'm still a little shady on who we can pick.... (I know, it takes a few hits to get things through my fat skull :lol:)
Wellllll.....anyone really, pick a DC comics hero (or villain) and design their evil (or good) counterpart. It can be anyone from Mr. Miracle to The Atom. It can be from the Golden Age or the modern, but if in doubt you can pick someone from cast of JLU, as I draw heavily from the Timmverse in my mod.
Ah, okay. I'll give this a try ^_^
Well, that's three!
ok here is my first try
this is ultragirl, of course the CSA version of Kara Zor el Supergirl, i dont have a backstory but here is the design, both silver and gold, cause i was not sure wich one looked cooler
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y243/juanchoff2/Ultragirl_lj.gif) (http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y243/juanchoff2/Ultragirl_gold_lj.gif)
Let me know if you like it BG
Hey Juancho, very nice! She looks fantastic, and I think I like the gold a little better. Would you mind if I took a crack at the back story?
Ultragirl: Clark Kent's niece, Kara, was his only surviving relative, and she watched in horror the changes that came over him on his return to earth. As his mind became more and more twisted by the anti-kryptonite embedded in his body, they drifted apart. Finally, in despair, Kara volunteered for another space mission, hoping to find the alien who had 'repaired' him and convince it to reverse the process. When she finally did discover Brainiac, the benign being told her that there was nothing he could do, but that he could offer her similar power. Thinking that this might allow her to force her wayward uncle to see reason, she accepted the offer. Now, just as warped as Clark, she serves as a member of the Young Offenders, an up-and-coming group of super beings who only await the right moment to destroy the Crime Syndicate.
:angry: photobucket block! Can't see the skin from here! But if it's from juancho, I'm sure it's pretty sweet on the eyes.
This is a really cool idea Benton. I've always enjoyed attempting alternate versions of characters, so this is just added incentive for me. Time permitting, I really hope to be able to jump on this idea.
Hey man, like I said, I'll leave it open for a good long time, so take all the time you like. I'd love to see your take on some DC characters.
You know, I've kind of sworn off challenges because I get mental blocks every time I try, but I've always been a Earth-2 fan, so I'll give it a shot. It'll give me a nice diversion and hopefully clear my artists block.
Golden Age Johnny Quick
Belongs to the Conquering League Of Amerika. Uses an early form of the speed juice to give him his powers.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/FLASH_22798/GoldenAgeJohnnyQuick.jpg)
Ahh! Freakin' awesome Flash, I love it. Deffinetly a take I wasn't expecting. What is the silver sleeve on his arm?
Tomato, glad to hear that my idea has intrigued you that much. I can't wait to see what you do!
:EDIT: Ohh, and if anyone is interested in doing the Young Offenders (Teen Titans) I've got a new story arc concerning them specifically, if I can get enough of them.
The metal sleeve on his arm is connected via two hoses to a backpack. The backpack contains the speed juice which is pumped in through an I.V. which is protected by the metal sleeve. The vials on his belt contain pain killers to ease the effects of the juice. (He goes through them really quick)
I'm also working through some character designs for other members of the CLA.
EDIT: After actually reading the wikipedia site about the Crime Syndicate, I suppose I should change the name of the Golden Age group to the "Crime Lodge" to match the comics.
Quote
:EDIT: Ohh, and if anyone is interested in doing the Young Offenders (Teen Titans) I've got a new story arc concerning them specifically, if I can get enough of them.
i do
pm me the details BG
Great Juancho, I'll PM you some of my ideas, and you can run with them if you like.
Flash, that sounds like a great idea, a Golden Age version of the Earth-2 team!
As far as I know, there are no pics for most of the "Crime Lodge", so I can pretty much start from scratch for them. I've already started a Golden Age Blood Eagle, Golden Age Power Ring, and a Golden Age Doctor Noon.
I never read the Syndicate Rules story arc, so all I'm going off of is the Wikipedia site and what little imagination I have left. Anything I come up with, you can decide to use or not use, I'll leave it up to your better judgement.
Haha, to tell the truth, Flash, I'd rather have it that way. I've never read that story either (although I'm getting it through the library, so I will eventually), but I'm just excited to see what everyone dreams up. I think that's what makes this fun, there is no real precedent!
I finished Golden Age Power Ring. I'm still working on Golden Age Blood Eagle and Golden Age Doctor Noon. Also, you said that you were interested in the Anti - Matter versions of villains, that universe's heroes, so I started versions of: Amazo, Doctor Light, Heatwave, and Prometheus. I just haven't figured out the names or stories yet. I was just looking for powerful and/or visually interesting characters to work with. I also have a yahoo group set up that I'll load the characters to when I finish them, so you can pick and choose the ones you want. As soon as I finish a few more, I'll pm you the address.
Quote from: BentonGrey on April 20, 2007, 05:08:52 PMTomato, glad to hear that my idea has intrigued you that much. I can't wait to see what you do!
:EDIT: Ohh, and if anyone is interested in doing the Young Offenders (Teen Titans) I've got a new story arc concerning them specifically, if I can get enough of them.
Heh, I used to do Earth 2 characters all the time, it'll be nostalgic for me.
But yeah, I was going to do some Offenders anyway, so I might as well work with Juanco on it. If eithor of you have anything specific just PM me, I'll just doodle up some Earth 2 versions of the Pre-"Infinate Crisis" Titans in the meantime
If you guys are interested, I had started a version of Robin that I had called "Red Bird". I had started 'skoping the mesh for him before I had seen juancho's reply. If you guys want to take a peek to see if you can use it for anything, I'd be more than happy to let you have it.
Awesome, I can't wait to see what you've got cooking there, Flash. Ohh, some nice choices as far as villains go, I'm particularly interested in how you handle Amazo!
Sounds good Tomato, I'll send you what I sent to Juancho, and I'm sure he's got his own ideas. Please don't feel obligated to follow my musings, if you get inspired, run with it!
:EDIT: Whoops Flash, I would deffinetly like to see your 'Red Bird' version.
Quote from: FLASH_22798 on April 24, 2007, 03:28:27 PM
If you guys are interested, I had started a version of Robin that I had called "Red Bird". I had started 'skoping the mesh for him before I had seen juancho's reply. If you guys want to take a peek to see if you can use it for anything, I'd be more than happy to let you have it.
Honestly? Go ahead and Complete it. Better to have more then one version of Earth 2 versin of Robin so he can choose then to say "this is the version I pick, and I'm better then anyone." If you want to shove the work off on someone else though, I'll take a look :P
Hey Benton, while I'm thinking about it, are there any specific characters that you would like to see?
Haha, well, I'd hate to influence y'all, although I may post some more ideas if I find myself bored at work, but I would very much like to see Deadeye, the counterpart to Green Arrow. (I was thinking something involving a lot of purple and an eye-patch.) Also, I really would like to see a Martian Manhunter opposite, perhaps the Venusian Woman Hunter, perhaps not.
Why not flesh out the deceased White Martian? Maybe have him come back to life as a result of his mollecular destabilization.
You know what I was thinking? A version of Plastic Man who... isn't that evil. He used to be a good cop, but fell into a vat of chemicals during a bust. He decided to use his powers to live an easier life, and is a bit of an opportunist, but inside he's a fairly decent guy.
QuoteWhy not flesh out the deceased White Martian?
I had thought about that when I sent you the "White Martian" character for the regular DCU mod. It might prove to be a really cool character.
QuoteYou know what I was thinking? A version of Plastic Man
That sounds pretty cool, I hope someone takes that one on.
QuoteI would very much like to see Deadeye
I had thought about making an "Green Arrow" alternate, but this sounds cool
too,plus it will give me my archer fix.
As for the "Venusion Woman Hunter", maybe another brave soul will take her on,
For MM counterpart i Had another MM in mind, somethin like Mercurian Man Slayer or soemthign like that, blue guy, red eyes, Black costume
might work on it if nobody takes a crack at it
Sounds good Juancho, I'd very much like to see it!
Unko, some good ideas, I could dig a White Martian version of MM as well. I wouldn't worry about whether or not the character is dead....it won't matter in this particular storyline. Haha, that sounds like a great idea for Plastic Man, and opens some unique story opportunities.
Flash, great! I'd deffinetly like to see him done!
I had another idea at work today, how about The Tornado Tyrant, or The Black Wind, an analogue for Red Tornado? He's a malevolent elemental spirit that has plauged man for centuries, and when the heroic scientist T.O. Morrow designed an android to aid the Justice Underground against the CSA, the spirit possessed it. Having killed his creator, he went on to plague humanity in a much more potent and direct way.
oh u read my mind, i have been thinking of a Black twister/ Dark Typhoon character.
Oh btw i finhsed robot ( i call Tekbot) and Creature, do you want me to psot them or wait till i have the rest of the YO??
Ohh, Black Twister, Dark Typhoon...good names! I also like Tekbot much better than my placeholder, good idea. Yeah, deffinetly post them, I can't wait to see them!
:EDIT: Ohh, and I forgot to send those YO ideas to Tomato, I suppose I'll just post them here.
Robot (probably could use a better name) = Cyborg: When Victor Stone's father tried to fake his own death with a laboratory accident in order to escaped his creditors, young vic was caught in the blast. His body was all but destroyed, but at the moment of his death his grieving father transfered his conciousness into a robotic body. The resulting creation trapped between life and death, was driven mad by the process, and now pursues a vicous vengeance against mankind. (I'm thinking of something that looks like Ultron, just your basic evil robot.)
The Creature = Beast Boy: The Creature is an extraterrestrial parasite that was drawn to the body of young Garfield Logan as he lay dying from a rare disease. The being bonded to him, healing him, but submerging his mind into the barely sentient rage of The Creature! Now he has the ability to turn into any creature that his limited imagination can conjure. Trapped within the beast-like rage of this controlling parasite, the young Garfield strives for freedom. (I'm thinking he'll basically be Beat Boy, but purple. He'll change into mythological or imaginary creatures, as opposed to real animals.)
Crosshair = Speedy: Not much of a story for him yet, perhaps the rich son of Deadeye, the Green Arrow analouge. (Something blue, perhaps?)
Out of curiosity, is this limited to those that can provide visual artistry along with their ideas, or are orphan ideas welcome, also? ;)
Quote from: BentonGrey on April 25, 2007, 03:40:04 PMI had another idea at work today, how about The Tornado Tyrant, or The Black Wind, an analogue for Red Tornado? He's a malevolent elemental spirit that has plauged man for centuries, and when the heroic scientist T.O. Morrow designed an android to aid the Justice Underground against the CSA, the spirit possessed it. Having killed his creator, he went on to plague humanity in a much more potent and direct way.
I was thinking instead that perhaps Morrow had discovered the existance of the entity, and built the android body as a prison for the elemental......which, of course, backfired, but actually did *some* good, as it's now stuck in the body, causing a much more localized problem, rather than being so widespread and is now a bit easier to oppose/stop.
Absolutely not, PG, I can't exactly provide a visual, story ideas are deffinetly welcome! I like that, interesting take on it.
BG here are my young ofenders so far
Tekbot, Ultragirl and Creature
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v54/juanchoff/Young_o_lj.gif)
I still want to do my own version of talon, Superlady (wondergirl) and dove (raven) tough the name kinda sucks
Ohh....pretty...I love the Tekbot look, and I think you actually managed to bring in a little of Cyborg's look with it, nicely done. Creature is perfect, exactly what I was looking for, and the fangs are a nice touch!
Please feel free to do whatever strikes your fancy. Yeah, I couldn't think of anything good for Raven, that's the one that stumped me.
When you mentioned an Alternate Earth version of Raven, I thought about this character from Devil Man:
http://image.blog.livedoor.jp/speed3/8bb0f179.jpg
Creeeepy...haha, thanks for the input Rev...she scares me, but she deffinetly has a memorable look!
The 'Skopes that I have finished are:
Ivodroid (Amazo)
CSA Blood Eagle (Hawkman)
Golden Age Doctor Noon (Doctor Midnight)
Golden Age Blood Eagle (Hawkman)
Young Offenders Red Bird (Robin)
And they all still need to be skinned.
I know you said you weren't going to use a Golden Age Blood Eagle in the mod, but since I already had the 'Skope finished, I'll mention it in case anyone else wants it. Deadeye is still in the 'Skoping stage, as is Golden Age Hellcat (Wildcat), though the name is still open for debate.
Sorry I haven't been in contact much, R/L stuff (nothing bad, family member had a wedding in another state) Just wanted to let you guys know I did at least start those Young Offenders... I had both Robin's alternate (I had a name, but I'm at school and the sketch is at home) and Ultraboy sketches, but I had a better idea for Ultraboy earlier, so I'm gonna redo him. I plan on playing with Johnny Speed(Kid Flash) later, as well as personal ideas for some of the Histories.
Awesome Flash, I like the names Ivoandroid and Hellcat...especially Hellcat! Can't wait to see them man. Let me go ahead and say publicly what I said to your PM, Professor Radiant and the rest of those you've already finished are awesome!
No problem Tomato, like I said, we've got plenty of time for this contest. I'm looking forward to seeing what you've got, and I deffinetly want to hear about the histories you've worked up.
I'm trying to work out villainous/heroic analogues for the Marvel Family and Black Adam. I've got the history and background worked out, but not the deities, as they should be more negative ones.
So far for Captain Chaos (Captain Marvel) I have:
S
Hades (mastery of death and pain grants invulnerability)
Ares (mastery of war grants incredible combat prowess could be switched to Mars if need be)
Z
A
M
Shazam, an evil wizard, has tried for centuries to conquer the world. In ancient Egypt, he made a deal with many of Egypt's darkest deities to create a champion, Teth Adam. Unfortunately for Shazam, Adam, now called White Adam, turned on Shazam, protecting the people he was supposed to conquer. Shazam placed him in a stasis that would last for thousands of years and waited. . .
In modern times, having made a new deal with a new set of deities, Shazam chooses a boy, hoping that he'll more easily be able to twist him into his own sadistic image. Butch Batson, school bully, becomes Captain Chaos, would-be conquerer of the world.
Of course, the other world's villains don't exactly want to be conquered, and he has, as yet, been unsuccessful.
Hmm, an interesting conundrum, I'll have to look into it. I'm not sure we're gonna' find another 'Z'....perhaps we could just say the 'gods' were evil as well? :P
Random throughts (additions in red):
Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on April 30, 2007, 06:14:55 PM
Set - (ancient Egyptian god of chaos)
Hades (mastery of death and pain grants invulnerability)
Ares (mastery of war grants incredible combat prowess could be switched to Mars if need be)
Zarich - one of the female members of the Daevas (Persian demons) and the personification of ageing.
Apep - An Egyptian monster living in perpetual darkness. This snake god is the chief of the antagonists of the sun god Re
Mefitis - The Roman goddess who was especially worshipped in volcanic areas and swamps. She is the personification of the poisonous vapors of the earth.
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May not be quite what you're looking for, but it's a start.
Entries courtesy of the Encyclopedia Mythica (http://www.pantheon.org/), many MANY more deities there to search through.
It looks like your going through the Greek Myths....
S-
H-Hades
A-Ares
Z-Zeus
A-Athena....Apollo...Artemis....Aphrodite....Adonis.....(I'd choose Adonis...for good looks! :thumbup: )
M-(I know this one isn't exactly greem but it completely goes with the evil thing.......Morrigan)
Morrigan
Celtic Goddess of Fertility, Battle, Strife, and usually the Night and Darkness
She isn't necessarily one of the nice Celtic Dieties but she isnt the evilest.
Her symbol is the crow.
There is also Midir, the Celtic God of the underworld....but you already have the greek equivalent listed.
also if you want to go from Greek and Roman straight to Norse and Celtic I have a name.
S-Sirona(Healing Goddess)....Smertrios(God of War)
H-Heimdall(God of the Horn Blowers....senses so acute he hears grass grow...and senses the world's end.)
A-Arausio (Sea God)
Z-(There are no major dieties that start with Z in any Celtic or Norse belief...lol)
A-Aimend(Sun Goddess)
M-Morrigan.....Midir...Maponos (God of Youth)
Quote from: Glitch Girl on April 30, 2007, 08:04:04 PM
Random throughts (additions in red):
Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on April 30, 2007, 06:14:55 PM
Set - (ancient Egyptian god of chaos)
Hades (mastery of death and pain grants invulnerability)
Ares (mastery of war grants incredible combat prowess could be switched to Mars if need be)
Zarich - one of the female members of the Daevas (Persian demons) and the personification of ageing.
Apep - An Egyptian monster living in perpetual darkness. This snake god is the chief of the antagonists of the sun god Re
Mefitis - The Roman goddess who was especially worshipped in volcanic areas and swamps. She is the personification of the poisonous vapors of the earth.
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May not be quite what you're looking for, but it's a start.
Entries courtesy of the Encyclopedia Mythica (http://www.pantheon.org/), many MANY more deities there to search through.
Sorry, GG, but Captain Marvel was based on Greek, Roman, and Biblical male characters, so his counterpart should be the same. That means no female deities--they can be reserved for the Mary Marvel counterpart though. The Egyptian deities are good for White Adam, though.
Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on May 01, 2007, 05:00:32 AM
Sorry, GG, but Captain Marvel was based on Greek, Roman, and Biblical male characters, so his counterpart should be the same. That means no female deities--they can be reserved for the Mary Marvel counterpart though. The Egyptian deities are good for White Adam, though.
I don't see any reason why the characters have to be derect parallels like that. After all, Superwoman, the Wonder woman equivelant, is a super-powered, evil Lois Lane, with heat vission...
For Captain Chaos, you could always go with a "reversed origin", like Ultraman being an Earth man who traveled to Krypton. Captain Chaos could be an actual god who's been given some mortal qualities, but still has enough of his godlike power to make him one of the most powerful beings on the planet...
I don't know about that, but here's another origin that may be a bit better. Let me know what you think.
Jonathan Batson, father of Billy, discovered and become obsessed with an ancient prophesy which said that seven ancient gods, the most evil out of many groups of deities, could descend to the earth and bring chaos.
Jonathan found a reference in the writings to a way to stop this from happening, and by summoning seven more friendly deities to stop them. Unfortunately, the evil deities discovered his plans. Descending to the earth they captured and tortured Jonathan for months, until there was little left of his mind, but a twisted fury. When they finally released him, he found that he had absorbed some of the gods' essence while being in their presence, and in a mindless fury began laying waste to Fawcet city. His son and daughter were his first two victims. Thus, the prophesy was fulfilled, and the gods brought chaos, in the form of Captain Chaos, to the earth.
Jonathan's closest friend, a man by the name of Adam Sivana is able to summon the other 7 gods, who are unable to stop Captain Chaos, but give him the power to transform into White Adam instead.
Better?
Heh... I came up with a possible full origin, myself-
The evil wizard Mazash, in ancient Egyptian times, summoned a god of the desert and entrapped him in a mortal body. Mazash could release this god from his mortal form to do his bidding, and called the god Red Adam (if memory serves, Black Adam was named after the "Black Land", the ancient Egyptian name for their land, or at least the part directly along the Nile, where the soil was dark- the desert portion was called the "Red Land", so it seems to me that Red Adam would make a better opposite for Black Adam than White Adam). Red Adam came to sympathize with those he was supposed to oppress, however, and he rebelled against the wizard. Thousands of years later, Mazash decided it was time to try again. He summoned a powerful god, a living embodiment of Chaos, and bound him in the form of a human child. By uttering his own name, "Mazash!", the wizard can cause fire to burst from the Earth, transforming the child back to his god-like form, in which form he's known as Captain Chaos, to serve his evil needs. In addition to being the wizard's name, "MAZASH" stands for six things captain Chaos brings to his foes; Misery, Anarchy, Zealotry, Antagonism, Strife, and Horror.
Hmm, very good ideas here. I rather like Alric's version, I feel like it may stay a little closer to the source.
I agree with Benton, I like Alaric's....but if you are going to change Shazam to Mazash.....(I know it is only mixing letters around....)
but it makes sense to change Black/White/Red Adam into a jambled form or an entirely new name......
and I see the whole "White Adam" thing parallels "Black Adam"
but the true antithesis of -----------------------^^^^^^^--------- would be........."White Eve" (Not Adam)
I actually like Red Adam. The reasoning behind it makes sense.
And the CSA world is never a complete antithesis anyways, more a twisted, somewhat backwards parallel.
I've mostly just been lurking on this thread. I thought up the "Captain Chaos" origin as a thought experiment, and liked it enough to post it here. Still, if you guys want to use it, it's fine with me.
It was a lot of fun to come up with, though...
Thats why you should become a full part of the thread! Your ideas are brilliant! :thumbup:
So are there any normal DC characters that need to be converted to CSA univers I can maybe some up with a back story......or some ideas but I don't really know who is left to work with.
You guys mind maybe making a list of what is done and what isnt?
I would welcome you all to participate in this thread more ^_^
I haven't been too active lately because of the outside world. Family, work, and classes have kept me pretty busy.
I finally finished the 'skope for CSA Deadeye (Green Arrow), as well as the 'skope and skin for Golden Age Hellcat (Wildcat). I'll load Hellcat either tonight or tomorrow for you to check out.
But honestly thinking about it, with as much potential as this "Universe" has for characters, and with how much interest that this thread seems to be taking, this could really become an actual mod of it's own.
Don't worry man, there's plenty of time. ^_^ Real life always takes precedent, we know that. Anyroad, that's something I'm rather hoping for. That's precisely why I'm releasing my take on the DCU. When it's out there, people will be able to use it as a spring board for telling their own stories. I would love for someone to run with this, as I'll only have time to tell a few stories about this world. However, I will include tons of characters from it, so people will be able to tell their own.
Quote from: Nymph on April 30, 2007, 08:48:33 PM
Z-(There are no major dieties that start with Z in any Celtic or Norse belief...lol)
If you want a Z deity, try
Zoroaster (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoroastrianism)... It was an old Monotheistic religion in what is now Iran. Zoroaster was a prophet of the diety Ahura Mahzda. Zoroastrianism was concerned with rejecting forces of nature as Evil, in favor of human moral order, which was perceived as holy and good.
He could maybe grant Capt. Chaos wisdom, or precognition?
Zoroaster was known to the Ancient Greeks.. he inspired the religion of the Magi. Maybe he could also supply some sorcery powers?
Also, Nietzsche invoked him in Thus Spoke Zarathustra, the famous book in which he proclaimed 'God is dead.'
Sorry... big mythology buff ^_^
Quote from: Revenant on May 08, 2007, 05:06:15 PM
Quote from: Nymph on April 30, 2007, 08:48:33 PM
Z-(There are no major dieties that start with Z in any Celtic or Norse belief...lol)
If you want a Z deity, try Zoroaster (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoroastrianism)... It was an old Monotheistic religion in what is now Iran. Zoroaster was a prophet of the diety Ahura Mahzda. Zoroastrianism was concerned with rejecting forces of nature as Evil, in favor of human moral order, which was perceived as holy and good.
He could maybe grant Capt. Chaos wisdom, or precognition?
Zoroaster was known to the Ancient Greeks.. he inspired the religion of the Magi. Maybe he could also supply some sorcery powers?
Also, Nietzsche invoked him in Thus Spoke Zarathustra, the famous book in which he proclaimed 'God is dead.'
Sorry... big mythology buff ^_^
The religeon is still practiced by some people, mostly in India, I believe- although I think there may still be a small population of practitioners in Iran (the modern name for Persia). I would therefore tend to avoid using him to empower an evil character.
All right Benton, Golden Age Hellcat is ready to be downloaded and checked out for your approval. Or Non-approval, your choice.
Flash, I've already told you through PM's, but I'll go ahead and repeat here how awesome your work is!
Well guys, I know that some of the rest of you have ideas! Let's see them!
Ba-ba-ba-Bump-de-de-Bump!
I have to say that this thread is one that I really enjoyed watching, I really hope it continues.
Well, in order for CB's words here to not be in vain.....and because I'm a greedy son of a gun, I'd like to see this continue as well! Skinners, skopers, come one, come all, redesign your favorite DC character as their alternate number! I'm especially interested in a new Quizmaster (alternate Riddler) since the one from Earth-2 was just exactly the same as the regular Riddler.
I give you Quizmaster! Having defeated Mr. Monster (the world's 3rd smartest man). Edward Nygma improved upon the fallen villain's technology and upgraded his arsenal.
[spoiler](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v608/Thunder_Prime/quizmaster.jpg)[/spoiler]
Flash...I have a design for Blood Eagle, but I am interested to see your skoped mesh. Is it in one of your groups?
Wow Thunder! That's an awesome redesign! I'd have never thought of putting him on Mr. Terrific. That gives him a lot of new possibilities. I assume Mr. Monster is the villainous Mr. Terrific? Nice back story there. May I makes some suggestions? How about "Q"s instead of "?"s, I'm not really sure how that would work, but I think it might make for an interesting change. Also, what about a switch on the classic color-scheme? How about orange and red instead of green and purple? Once again, just pitching ideas, I love your redesign, so if they don't interest you, that's totally cool.
Alas, Flash has quit FF for the foreseeable future, but he left most of his unfinished work in the charge of Cyber Burn.
how about this?
[spoiler](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v608/Thunder_Prime/quizmaser2.jpg)[/spoiler]
Ohh man! Perfect! Great job, I was thinking of orange on the coat, but I definitely like the red much better, good call. I think the color scheme works really well, but what I like best is that symbol. That's pure genius man! The only suggestion I could make....maybe keep the domino mask? Orange? I don't know, I sort of like the futuristic look of the goggles there, but that might add some visual continuity. Either way, I love this. I may have to include a Quizmaster storyline....
keot mask red...looks better than orange against flesh tone
[spoiler](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v608/Thunder_Prime/quizmaser2-1.jpg)[/spoiler]
Ohh yeah, good call. He looks awesome Thunder! Can I get my hands on him? I'm itching to hero-him up.
Ack, how the heck could I miss this? I'll have to read the whole thing, see if there is anything i could contribute. BG, anything in particular you need for this? (Carter and Ray are just about done, btw :D)
EDIT: Oh yeah, Thunder, that Riddler reimagining is gorgeous :thumbup:
Quote from: Carravaggio on January 11, 2008, 05:15:36 AM
Ack, how the heck could I miss this? I'll have to read the whole thing, see if there is anything i could contribute. BG, anything in particular you need for this? (Carter and Ray are just about done, btw :D)
EDIT: Oh yeah, Thunder, that Riddler reimagining is gorgeous :thumbup:
Awesome to have you interested Car! Flash did a lot of awesome stuff for me, but there are still tons and tons of characters that you can take a crack at if you like. I don't necessarily "need" anything in particular, but I definitely want all that I can get! I suppose it would be great fun to see new versions of more of the top tier villains or some of the other Leaguers. Ohh, and I can't wait to get Ray and Carter!
I did a skin for Blood Eagle on Beyonder's Hawkman mesh. If there's a new hes/ skope..I'd like to transfer it over..stay tuned for a preview really soon.
Send Cyber_Burn a PM, he might just have Flash's skope lying around.
here's my try at Blood Eagle:
EDIT (image removed)
Wow Thunder, you've got a great eye for redesigns! Let's see...first off, I love your color palette for this guy. I really like his uniform, but I think my favorite thing are those glowing demon eyes...just awesome. What are those lines on his wings just to the right and left of his 'ears', though? I like the look of those gauntlets and greaves, it makes him look even more dangerous for some reason. I might darken the wings just a bit...but not much really. He looks fantastic Thunder, awesome job! Ohh, what is that symbol there? I can't quite make it out, but I like that you didn't go with the standard Thanagarian symbol.
Quote from: BentonGrey on January 12, 2008, 01:25:40 PMOhh, what is that symbol there? I can't quite make it out, but I like that you didn't go with the standard Thanagarian symbol.
It looks like a raptor talon.
Wow, I can't believe how much this thread has jumped in the last few days. Thunder, I really like both the designs for the Quizmaster (everyone needs a variant costume). Also, I have all of Flash's unksinned skopes that he had done for this, about 6 I think, but they're all for :ff:. I was going to re - skope them for :ffvstr: and then try to find some one to skin them.
CSA Blood Eagle (Hawkman)
CSA Deadeye (Green Arrow)
CSA Nucleus (Atom)
Golden Age Blood Eagle (Hawkman)
Young Offenders Red Bird (Robin)
Anti - Matter Ivodroid (Amazo)
Other ones he had started he didn't do much work on so I'm not sure if the characters were finished or not.
that is a raptor talon on his chest..good eye Panther!
Quote from: Panther_Gunn on January 12, 2008, 03:19:50 PM
Quote from: BentonGrey on January 12, 2008, 01:25:40 PMOhh, what is that symbol there? I can't quite make it out, but I like that you didn't go with the standard Thanagarian symbol.
It looks like a raptor talon.
Ohh! I totally see that now! Awesome choice there.
CB, remember what I told you about Tomato's fix for FF1 skopes, it might be easier than re-skoping them.
Blood eagle, ha that name is cool. :D
Still, I like blood phoenix. :lol:
Unfortunately, even with Tomato's fix, I was still having problems, as well as spending the same amount of time on a character. Also, this lets me update most of the characters to Tommyboy's TF meshes while lining some of the pieces up a little better as well.
Fair enough man, I can't wait to see these guys!
The two Blood Eagles and Deadeye have been sent to Thunder. And I'm actually tempted to try my own hand at this there are sme characters that I would like to see for myself.
The more the merrier, CB, you're welcome to take a crack at whomever you like.
OKay..here's a modified skin on the Blood Eagle skope CB sent me:
[spoiler](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v608/Thunder_Prime/bloodeagle1.jpg)[/spoiler]
You know, that looks even better! I love the symbol on the shield as well as the shirt. Great work, Thunder!
Coolness!
C'mon guys, I know there are others of you who want to try this out!
Quote from: BentonGrey on January 21, 2008, 09:35:24 PM
C'mon guys, I know there are others of you who want to try this out!
How about Hourman?!
Why not! If you've got an idea, feel free to describe it, or since you've been skoping lately, you could skope a mesh for him.
Did you ever get an evil Plastic Man for this?
Nope, no Plastic Man analogue yet.
Quote from: BentonGrey on January 22, 2008, 08:32:35 AM
Why not! If you've got an idea, feel free to describe it, or since you've been skoping lately, you could skope a mesh for him.
All the tries of ideas for it went all down. :(
Sweet. All I need now is a spiked belt to put onto the Plastic Man mesh. Riiight? Or should I use the morph mesh? That one turns into a wall and has a fly swatter hand. Man, the choices.
I've got the costume though. It's based on the golden age Daredevil, which also harkens back to Plastic Man's first appearance.
Quote from: UnkoMan on January 23, 2008, 03:38:36 AM
Sweet. All I need now is a spiked belt to put onto the Plastic Man mesh. Riiight? Or should I use the morph mesh? That one turns into a wall and has a fly swatter hand. Man, the choices.
I've got the costume though. It's based on the golden age Daredevil, which also harkens back to Plastic Man's first appearance.
[threadjack]There is a spiked belt on the Golden Age Daredevil mesh, and Saracen has given permission to skope his meshes, I think (http://freedomreborn.net/archive/index.php?topic=44332.msg632498#msg632498).[/threadjack]
Err.....sorry. ^_^
Awesome, sounds like you've got a solid idea there Unko, I can't wait to see it!
Sweet! Thanks!
I have an idea for Halfface.
Former Thief Harvey Dent lost the half of his face when he was cought in the act by Ultraman.
Ultraman burned off the right side of Dents face as a punishment. (he want to steal something what belongs to the CSA)
Now Halfface wants revenge and joined the force of the Good.
(Boah it would be easyer if i could write it in german :huh: )
That's a solid idea Alberik, but what about him being a mob boss in the employ of the C.S.A., but after a run-in with rivals, this thoroughly vicious man's suppressed personality emerges. It turns out that "Goody-Two-Shoes" Harvey was driven under the surface because of vicious teasing when he was a boy, forcing a ruthless, violent personality to take the forefront. Now Harvey has taken up the cause of justice, turned into a crusader for good, but darkness and light still war within him. I sort of like the idea of naming him...Dichotomy, or Binary.
This thread is so totally my cup of tea. You have no idea how happy I am now. :thumbup:
I like Dichotomy. Sounds really cool. The mob boss backstory is awesome. And I really like the idea of Ultraman burning half his face off with Ultravision--how vicious!
Another thing: a quick Google search brought me to this page (http://en.dcdatabaseproject.com/Main_Page), where I found info on the various counterparts. I'll search more later, but I did find that the alter-Robin is called Talon.
Sorry if I throw out ideas that are already canonical, but I can't find a definitive list online of antimatter counterparts anywhere.
Scarecrow: The Bogeyman. Professor Jeremy Crane was a bully as a kid, using his natural brawn to intimidate others. However, as he grew up and persued scholastic endeavors, he left his life of bullying behind him. Until one day when he visited Arkham Asylum as part of his psychology class. There he found one of his childhood victims undergoing intensive therapy to cure him of the traumas in his childhood, traumas caused by Crane's severe harrassment. Horrified at what he had done, Crane strove to find a cure for his former victim. His discoveries on the chemical nature of fear would've revolutionized psychotherapy forever, but the university wasn't interested in it. They tried to get him to create a chemical weapon that would enduce terror, and he did, not knowing their foul intent. Now a professor, he was at his lab late one night, trying to synthesize not only the fear toxin, but its counterpart, a chemical hope stimulator. He was nearly finished with his work when a gang of goons busted in on him. Acting quickly, he poisoned the room with fear gas and subdued the thugs. Upon interrogating them, he discovered they were acting on orders from the university dean himself. Donning a cloak and gas mask, he sought the dean. Using his fear toxin, it was easy to stop him and discover the plan...Owlman himself wanted the use the fear toxin in his own arsenal, and wanted Crane to make it for him before he was killed and the formula stolen. Crane fled, vowing never to let his formula fall into the hands of the dastardly criminal, and to oppose him at every turn. Now, he wanders the streets of Gotham as the Bogeyman, terrorizing Owlman's lackeys wherever he can and bringing hope, whether true or chemically stimulated, to the ordinary citizens.
I'm thinking a black cloak and hood with black underneath, with red glowing eyes. Is there a mesh out there where the cape enfolds the body and makes the whole character look like a wraith?
Parasite: Leech. Once a lackadaisical slacker, Randy James worked for S.T.A.R. labs (or whatever the counterpart is) as a janitor, but was viewed by several scientists as a prime candidate for a highly dangerous experimental mutative procedure. They tricked him into receiving a hefty dose of radiation poisoning, then had him rushed to the emergency medical unit where they implanted a series of powerful "battery" glands that drew energy from surrounding sources. However, the batteries interacted with the severe radiation in a bizzare way: they began pulling energy from any source around him and turned his skin a bizzare shade of dark reddish purple. After he woke up, the scientists tested him and, concluding that his powers were more dangerous than they'd imagined, they prepared to execute him. When they came to pump his IV full of strychnine, however, James saw their armed guard and recognized something was up. He inadvertently killed the group who'd come to kill him and escaped from the labs. Vowing vengeance, Leech has dedicated his life to bringing down the corrupted research center any way he can so that nobody else has to suffer as he once did.
Regular Parasite, more humanoid, and dark reddish purple.
Bizarro: Freak. Ultraman has always longed for power, but even with his Kryptonite superpowers he can't be everywhere at once. So he decided to create perfectly loyal, slavish clones of himself in an effort to spread his power. He found an adult male, name unknown, with Down's syndrome and sought to replicate the procedures that gave him superpowers. Needless to say, he didn't do very well. The poor soul, subjected to hideous amounts of torture, was driven mad; he began to perceive everything in opposites. Once Ultraman saw how worthless his duplicate was, he tried to kill him (he was alerted to this when Ultraman came up saying, "C'mere, I'm not going to hurt you..."). The duplicate, terrified, ran away. Ultraman is now always on the lookout for his freakish doppelganger, who only wants to be left in peace. All memory of his former life was erased in the pain of the procedure, and he knows himself only by the name given to him by Ultraman when he first glimpsed his grotesque face--Freak.
Probably doesn't have a reversed Ultraman costume...I think maybe just whatever rags he could scrounge.
General Zod: Captain Xod. Once, long ago, a planet named Krypton stood as the Sodom and Gamorrah of the galaxy. Yes, it was so bad that one planet was BOTH cities :P Anyway, there was one man who stood against the moral depravity that had swept the planet: Dru-Xod, who was one of the few non-corrupt members of the Kandorian police force, the only position he could attain after being dishonorably discharged for insubordination--when he refused to do any further testing with a vibrational weapon intended to cause massive earthquakes because he saw how quickly they would lose control. When mysterious quakes began appearing without explanation, Dru-Xod recognized that the planet would soon be torn to pieces. He went to prominent scientist Jol-Er, who was working on ways to expand Krypton's influence to other planets in an interstellar empire. But Jol-Er refused to help him, and when he tried to steal a spacecraft, he was caught and imprisoned in the Phantom Zone. Years later, when Ultraman searched in space for more Kryptonite, he found an ancient portable Phantom Zone gateway. Taking it back to Earth, he inadvertently released Xod from captivity, who quickly found that the yellow sun granted him superpowers on par with Ultraman's. Seeing the depravity of Earth nearly approached Krypton's own, he vowed to never allow his surrogate home to be as corrupted as his dead world.
I have no idea at all what his costume would be. None.
Wow Gremlin, you've got some great ideas there. I'm glad you like Dichotomy, I rather like that idea myself. I hope we see him get made. Yeah, info on the anti-matter universe is pretty spotty. Talon has been made though, by Kissaints, so he's out there. Feel free to throw out all the ideas you like, since the DCUG isn't following DC canon exactly anyway, it won't be a big deal if you come up with a character that already exists....especially if your version is better! ;)
I really like the idea of a good Scarecrow, especially one with "hope gas," that's pure comic genius right there. Great story too! I sort of feel like his eyes should be another color...yellow perhaps, but that's hardly a big deal.
Ahh, Parasite as a slacker, that's good stuff, and I like the idea of him targeting S.T.A.R. specifically. Maybe it can be named.....M.E.T.E.O.R....we'd just need to come up with a name that fit the acronym.
Freak has a great story, wonderfully tragic.
Zod as a hero of the people of Krypton....very interesting. He'd have to end up in the Phantom Zone to keep from messing up the balance of the forces.
Great ideas man!
I like your ideas Gremlin. Here's a couple suggestions from my hat.
Quote from: Gremlin on February 18, 2008, 02:40:23 PM
Scarecrow: The Bogeyman. I'm thinking a black cloak and hood with black underneath, with red glowing eyes. Is there a mesh out there where the cape enfolds the body and makes the whole character look like a wraith?
I think it might be cool to give him a sort of gas mask shaped head, too. For one, it's utalitarian, but also it's always been a pretty freaky look. Bearded's goth mesh might be a good starting point.
Quote from: Gremlin on February 18, 2008, 02:40:23 PM
Parasite: Leech.
Regular Parasite, more humanoid, and dark reddish purple.
Can't do much different there, but... maybe outfit him with a bit more coverage. Or something sort of Martian Manhunter-esque, sans cape.
Quote from: Gremlin on February 18, 2008, 02:40:23 PM
Bizarro: Freak.
Probably doesn't have a reversed Ultraman costume...I think maybe just whatever rags he could scrounge.
Actually, I think something resembling Ultraman would work. More like a homemade costume, put together with bits and pieces. Maybe just an old t-shirt with Ultraman's symbol, and some tattered long johns. That sort of thing.
Quote from: Gremlin on February 18, 2008, 02:40:23 PM
General Zod: Captain Xod.
I have no idea at all what his costume would be. None.
This one could be sort of a future space police officer. Combine a bit of the newest Zod with the original. Like that one piece jumpsuit thing, but retaining the police captain's hat.
Good design ideas Unko, I especially like the gas-mask for Scarecrow.
QuoteI really like the idea of a good Scarecrow, especially one with "hope gas," that's pure comic genius right there. Great story too! I sort of feel like his eyes should be another color...yellow perhaps, but that's hardly a big deal.
Oh yes, yellow would actually be really cool. And the gas mask. Is there a mesh with a gas mask where the head and the mask are separate pieces? That way you could make tiny points of light behind the mask for eyes. It would be neat.
QuoteAhh, Parasite as a slacker, that's good stuff, and I like the idea of him targeting S.T.A.R. specifically. Maybe it can be named.....M.E.T.E.O.R....we'd just need to come up with a name that fit the acronym.
Actually, he already was a slacker janitor at S.T.A.R. labs, but I just made it so his powers were forced rather than accidental. He'd make a terrific tragic hero figure; striving to do good with powers that do nothing but hurt people. Maybe he could learn to channel energy into others as well? There's nothing saying he can't in the DCU, he's just never tried. Had no need to.
I tried to come up with another name but nothing came to mind. I tried finding an acronym for S.U.N. that fit. M.E.T.E.O.R.--starts with Military!
QuoteFreak has a great story, wonderfully tragic.
Yeah, I love Bizarro as a tragic figure. That's why he's so great in the Timmverse. He's more malevolent in the regular canon, but that's what the antimatter universe is for!
QuoteZod as a hero of the people of Krypton....very interesting. He'd have to end up in the Phantom Zone to keep from messing up the balance of the forces.
Actually, he hates Krypton and everything it stands for. Not a hero at all; he gave up on them. That's why he tries so hard on Earth; because he never wants his new home to resemble his old.
I saw on the Wikipedia article there was a version of Zod that became Earth's Superman in an alternate canonical reality. It was cool.
QuoteQuoteQuote from: Gremlin on February 18, 2008, 02:40:23 PM
Scarecrow: The Bogeyman. I'm thinking a black cloak and hood with black underneath, with red glowing eyes. Is there a mesh out there where the cape enfolds the body and makes the whole character look like a wraith?
I think it might be cool to give him a sort of gas mask shaped head, too. For one, it's utalitarian, but also it's always been a pretty freaky look. Bearded's goth mesh might be a good starting point.
HECK YES. I loves it. So creepy. Kinda like classic Sandman almost. He might use a gun to shot his gas, too.
I was also thinking--classic Scarecrow isn't afraid of anything. What if Boogeyman was horrified of everything (due to overdosing when he used the gas against the goons for the first time, perhaps?), and is addicted to his hope gas?
QuoteQuoteQuote from: Gremlin on February 18, 2008, 02:40:23 PM
Parasite: Leech.
Regular Parasite, more humanoid, and dark reddish purple.
Can't do much different there, but... maybe outfit him with a bit more coverage. Or something sort of Martian Manhunter-esque, sans cape.
OOH! He wears clothes to cover him so completely so nobody accidentally touches them. He doesn't want to hurt people, so he tries as hard as he can to avoid them.
QuoteQuoteQuote from: Gremlin on February 18, 2008, 02:40:23 PM
Bizarro: Freak.
Probably doesn't have a reversed Ultraman costume...I think maybe just whatever rags he could scrounge.
Actually, I think something resembling Ultraman would work. More like a homemade costume, put together with bits and pieces. Maybe just an old t-shirt with Ultraman's symbol, and some tattered long johns. That sort of thing.
Maybe Ultraman threw on some kinda jumpsuit for him to wear while he conducted the experiments? It would have the U logo on it, since he's so arrogant and egotistical.
QuoteQuoteQuote from: Gremlin on February 18, 2008, 02:40:23 PM
General Zod: Captain Xod.
I have no idea at all what his costume would be. None.
This one could be sort of a future space police officer. Combine a bit of the newest Zod with the original. Like that one piece jumpsuit thing, but retaining the police captain's hat.
I don't like the hat idea. He'd want to shed any connection to Krypton, the exact opposite of Zod's current goal to turn Earth into a carbon copy of his home planet.
So, Xod would still be hurt by Kryptonite, since the laws of physics are constant through the universe. Would he be hurt just by being near Ultraman?
Right Grem, I follow you about Zod, I just meant that he tried to save Krypton, instead of trying to conquer it. Hmm....Military Experimental Terror Economic Operations Refining? I don't like it much, but that gives us something to start with.......I like the idea of M.E.T.E.O.R., because it's a shooting star, or a FALLEN star.
Right, right, okies. Maybe M.E.T.E.O.R. labs: Military Experimental Technologies & Engineering Operation for Research? I don't like research; sound awkward...hmm.
And a whole lot of Earth 3 info here (http://www.titanstower.com/source/whoswho/duela.html).
Okies, now I'm going to go through the Batman villains...
Joker: Jokester (he's all over the place in Countdown)
Riddler: Quizmaster
Scarecrow: Boogeyman
Clayface: Mudman. Max Geyman was a relatively successful actor in commercials and daytime dramas until his car careened over a cliff and into a muddy river below. Unbeknownst to him, Thomas Wayne Jr.'s WayneCorp had been dumping noxious chemicals into the riverbed for years. The chemically altered clay seeped into his cells, replacing every molecule in his body with the goo. When he emerged, he was horrified at what he'd become, and dedicated his life to destroying WayneCorp.
Looks like standard, maybe with bits of garbage sticking out of him? I can see him as an environmentalist hero.
Poison Ivy: Eden. Irene Oakleigh was always outspoken in her concern for the environment. She lived for her work, trying to breed plants that were particularly hardy, quick-growing, and difficult to destroy. She worked alongside Alex Hammond, but was repulsed by his belief that the natural world existed only for man's benefit. After one particularly heated argument, Hammond beat her halfway to death. Fearing he would be discovered, he buried her body outiside the laboratory in Oakleigh's private garden and left for Louisiana as quick as he possibly could. Unbeknownst to him, a) she wasn't quite dead when he'd buried her and b) the changes in the plants mutated her body into a bizzare plant/human hybrid. With newfound abilities, Oakleigh strove to right the injustices done to the world that she could not protect before.
Normal costume, probably.
Um...those both suck. I'm going to think some more.
I finally had a chance to re - skope FLASH_22798's Amazo character, the Anti - Matter Ivodroid. If anyone is interested in skinning it, let me know.
A new idea
Toyman/Playmate based on the TAS Toyman, which I think is the intent anyway.
Bud Mannheim was the wealthy owner of Intercorp, a large investment firm, and also a kind and generous man. When he men Winslow Schott, a man with a desire to build a toy factory, he helped fund and encourage him. Unknown to Bud, Winslow was a sociopath and a serial killer, preying on and torturing children using ingenious, and evil, killer toy contraptions. Bud did eventually figure this out, and when he went to confront Winslow, he was forced to defend himself and kill the murderer. Bud then discovered the man's son, William Schott, who his father was torturing into a twisted image of himself. Bud took the boy and raised him as his own. Many years later, Ultraman went after Intercorp for aiding and protecting his enemies and killed Bud. This caused the now adult William's mind to snap, reverting to a childlike state but with his father's genius with toys. Declaring himself to be Ultraman's "playmate" William has plagued him ever since with inventions powerful and clever enough to give even Ultraman a hard time. While Ultraman has apparently killed him more than once, Playmate always survives and returns to "play" with Ultraman again.
Alright Gremlin, I hadn't seen those. M.E.T.E.O.R. is perfect, great job! I like 'Eden' too, there is a lot that could be done with a 'good' Ivy.
I want to see that Ivodroid, CB, why don't you post in the DC Request Thread if you don't get any nibbles here?
Ohh, that's a GREAT idea Cat, Playmate...haha, I can already see the stories that could spawn. You know, DC should really put out an antimatter book. I'd even be tempted to buy it.
There was a JLA collection awhile back called "Syndicate Rules" that was pretty snazzy. I loved their take on Solomon Grundy; an aristocratic elemental zombie. It rocked.
SO. Question. Brainiac?
In JLA: Earth-2, where the modern CSA was introduced in the antimatter universe, Brainiac was "evil" (technically they said Brainiac was neutral morally, but completely egocentric, so he's not really evil), but organic.
Ultraman killed him dead. But now that it's post-Infinite Crisis, and it's your universe anyway, how do you wanna handle him?
I like the idea of keeping him evil, myself, or at least morally neutral. I love Brainiac, but I've never been able to peg his motivations and I don't know how he'd translate into a heroic character. Thoughts?
For Braniac, I picture a version similar to the animated JLU series. A 'keeper of the knowledge' of sorts. Not heroic per se, but on the more ethical side, wanting to preserve what he finds. In my opinion, what would make him an enemy of the CSA, is that during Braniac's data collection on their Earth, he finds information that could destroy the CSA (weaknesses, identites, secret hideouts, etc.). This puts him on the run from the Syndicate while he continues to collect the information about their planet.
Also, I just finished a skope (my own) of "The Nucleus". Ray Palmer had been experimenting on nanotechnology that he had planned to use to assist him with his research on miniature white dwarves, when the lab caught on fire. during an esnuing explosion Palmer was fused with the nanotech and the miniature white dwarf he had kept in his lab. Rescued by Ultraman, Palmer was given the name Nucleus and is used to spy on foreign governments as well as other members of the CSA. I'm attempting to skin him, but I don't think it's turning out very well.
Not a bad idea. Living Wikipedia that wants to keep stuff around, preserve it, so he can continue monitoring it. Hmm.
What were his motivations in the comic, anyway? He always seemed like a generic Supes villain. I mean, he's awesome, because he's Brainiac, but it was never well explained just why he was so frelling evil.
(http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa49/Cyber_Burn_33/Anti-MatterCSANucleus.jpg)
Here's where I am so far on The Nucleus. He still needs a lot of work (or even a real skinner).
As to Braniac, my only real familiarity with the character was the cartoons, so I can't explain the comic version. Sorry.
Howdy guys! Okay, first to your question about Brainiac CB, I think you've got an excellent point. I don't see him being "good" no matter what. He's just such an emotionless FORCE, you know? What if we just reverse his motivations instead of his morality (or lack thereof)? So, in the DCU, Brainiac seeks to possess all knowledge, and therefore destroys all sources of NEW knowledge (i.e. living beings) after he has collected everything they know. What if the anti-matter Brainiac simply despises knowledge and seeks to eradicate ALL of it, preserving nothing? Think of him as a biomechanical space-Nazi, burning books on a galactic scale. ^_^
Ohh, I love the idea for Nucleus as a spy working for Ultraman, a toady, and a small man in all the ways that Ray Palmer is great. I love that design too, very awesome. If you post in my request thread, Hoss might take a crack at it since you're having trouble.
Doctor Speed (Name a work in progress): Wanting revenge because the Golden Age Johnny Quick stole the formula for the Speed Juice from his father, Hunter Zolomon creates a new formula and dons the costume of the reverse Johnny Quick, doing everything in his power to make the current Johnny Quick burn through his supply af speed juice until the addiction kills him.
The costume should be the exact same with just the opposite colors, yellow as the main color, and red as the secondary.
Quote from: BentonGrey on April 16, 2007, 08:59:23 PM
Howdy guys, this may be a tad unorthodox, but I have a suggestion for a contest of sorts. As most of you know I've been working on my take on the DC Universe for some time. I'm nearing the end of my first stage of production, and should have the beta ready before too agonizingly much longer (we'll see), but while I'm at work, the wheels in my head are usually grinding along with various story arcs and adventures for the 'comics' I want to release. Today I had an idea for a JLA story arc involving Per Degaton and the Crime Syndicate of Amerika...well, I won't say too much more, but suffice to say that I would really love to include a broader look at their peculiar world, and not just their modern era either.
What I'm proposing is that we have a contest to redesign DC heroes (from any time except the Legion's) as anti-matter counterparts of themselves. This can be actual skins (which I'd like, since I could include them), but also drawings, sketches, paintings, all art forms are welcome. I'd encourage all takers to come up with a back story and power set for their characters, as the winners will be added into the DCUG mod for use in this future story...or just for anyone with a penchant for kicking the tar out of anti-matter duplicates.
To get your wheels turning, there is a mention in the modern comics about a few different characters:
Dr. Noon=Dr. Midnite
White Cat=Black Canary
Spaceman=Starman
Also, a few suggestions have included the Venusian Womanhunter, etc. Also, feel free to experiment with 'good' versions of DC villains, like the Justice Underground. You can find some material to help you along here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_Syndicate_of_America
Okay everyone, I hope y'all are as excited about this as I am, I love the creativity of this community, and this is a chance for it to really shine. Please post your character titles and ideas if you want to get involved. Seeing as the actual mission that this would be part of is many moons away, this contest can stay open as long as there is interest.
Have fun!
:EDIT: Also, if you don't particularly feel your artistic talents up to the challenge, but want to contribute, fire off an idea or two, perhaps you'll inspire someone.
Seeing as ye are already taking on some of Car and mine Nazis for another mod, I guess I can give a new spin on DC too.
-DJ
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I know Johnny Quick has been skinned before, but I wanted the colors to more closely match his 'reverse' character.
I'm also still working on an idea for Grundy and Star Saphire.
So everyone knows who I'm going to attack...I'm calling out the following characters to antifiy: Rampage, The Guardian, Blue Beetle II (Kord), and, probably, the Persuader. I might add to that list but not right now.
Keep ye eyes peeled for them to show up 'ere in the following weeks.
-DJ
I'm not sure who Rampage or the Persuader are, but it's good to know that you have Blue Beetle II on your list, now I can scratch him off of mine. As for the Gueardian, I look forward to your interpretation.
Skopes that I have in process are:
Grundy
Star Saphire
Sinestro (Possible Yellow Corps)
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Decided to use my Green Lantern skope for Sinestro. Qwardian Corps. Not sure if I want to keep this or keep working on it though.
I'm not sure how reverse Sinestro would work...maybe he's the antimatter GL? Like Sinestro went to Qward, he went to Oa? So he'd just be a regular GL.
QuoteI'm not sure how reverse Sinestro would work...maybe he's the antimatter GL? Like Sinestro went to Qward, he went to Oa? So he'd just be a regular GL.
Though instead of using willpower like their green counterpart, Qward's corps use the power of fear to conrol the populace. I don't know, still just letting the wheels turn. The costume is up for grabs as well.
Hey guys, sorry I've been ignoring this.....summer can't come soon enough! Anyway, I think your Dr. Speed is perfect, and the name totally works. As far as Sinestro.....well, he's a tricky one, as are all characters whose origins are not earthbound......but he is even more difficult because the positive universe Sinestro has dealings with Qward, even working for them for most of his history. I'm afraid that creates a mobious strip of paradoxes that I can't think my way out from! :P Haha, a nice skin though, and I like the uniform.
DJ, I can't wait to see your Blue Beetle and Guardian! I'm afraid I'm not familiar with the others either, but if you mean the Legion enemy Persuader, then I know him. If you do him for fun and for the thread, that's awesome, but I should say now that I don't have the Legion in the DCUG, so I wouldn't be able to include anti-matter versions of those characters in the mod. I only bother to say this on the off chance that you'll download the mod and say, "hey, where's that skin I created!" :lol:
This is a good idea, I very much like the designs and ideas that everyone has come up with. I am looking forward to seeing the design for Plastic Man.
Quote from: BentonGrey on May 02, 2008, 03:25:51 PM
DJ, I can't wait to see your Blue Beetle and Guardian! I'm afraid I'm not familiar with the others either, but if you mean the Legion enemy Persuader, then I know him. If you do him for fun and for the thread, that's awesome, but I should say now that I don't have the Legion in the DCUG, so I wouldn't be able to include anti-matter versions of those characters in the mod. I only bother to say this on the off chance that you'll download the mod and say, "hey, where's that skin I created!" :lol:
Well, it is the Persuader is the Legion enemy..so I'll probably drop him from the list and add Tigress instead. As for Rampage...she's a mid 80s, when ye see her I think ye might know who she is...maybe.
-DJ
I have begun to experiment with Nifskope and art programs. I would be very pleased to be allowed to participate in this contest. But I do have one question though. I do notice that many characters have already been pictured or named, is there a list of already finished characters so that I no which characters not to attempt? Thank you.
Hour_Man, new artists are always welcomed on FR! There is not a list of those already completed, but I may have some time tonight, so perhaps I can put one together real quick.
Okey doke, I think this is everyone:
[spoiler]Superman-Ultraman
Batman-Owlman
Wonder Woman-Super Woman
Martian Manhunter-Venutian Womanhunter
Aquaman-Barracuda
Flash-Johnny Quick
Green Lantern-Power Ring
Supergirl-Ultragirl
Golden Age Flash
Golden Age Green Lantern
Heatwave-Fireshot
Dr. Light-Professor Radiant
Doctor Midnite-Dr. Noon
Robin-Redwing (or Talon)
Beast Boy-Creature (needs skin)
Cyborg-Robot (needs skin and better name)
Amazo-Ivodroid
Hawkman-Blood Eagle
Wildcat-Hellcat
Green Arrow-Deadshot
Riddler-Quizmaster
Atom-Nucleus
Professor Zoom-Dr. Speed
Star Sapphire-?
[/spoiler]
I kept forgetting to put this up.
Indian Rubber Man (the evil counterpart of Plastic Man) is here (http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/joeskins/files/Pre-Published/). I couldn't get the skoping to work, so I just gave him a normal belt, but oh well. It's something, at least, if you want to use it.
Haha, well, I don't know about that name, but I love the skin. I really like the whole two tone look you give him. I think it is rather a good representation of him as a man who is more or less morally gray.
He's called that since it was what Jack Cole was originally going to call Plastic Man. And also it sounds a little racist, so I figured it'd be something more apt for that sort of world. But you can rename him or change him as you see fit, if you even use him.
I'm definitely going to use him Unko, I like the design too much not to. So, that name has significance for the character, huh? I think that may change things.
I have attempted two characters based on the characters from the DCUG mod. They are called Blood Demon and The Lightning.
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They are based on Blue Demon and Zyklon. I am still reading and learning about the different art programs before I attempt the Nifskope. Some of my other characters which I tried did not look so nice. I will continue to practice.
These are called The Feeder and Q Ranger.
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They are based on Parasite and Major Force.
I'm calling at least two more....Mento and Weather Wizard. There are probably more that I want to call but I haven't ran across them yet. Their coming soon.
Wow, some very nice work, especially for an opening number Hour_Man. I absolutely LOVE Q Ranger, the color scheme for him is really unique. I like The Feeder as well, and the simple redesign somehow makes him look quite heroic. Blood Demon....hmm...I think he needs a little something more, but I'm not quite sure what. I do think the idea of making him look more demonic is a great way to flip Blue Devil, however.
Hmm, I can't wait to see your Weather Wizard DJ!
Thank you Benton Grey for the compliment. I shall continue to work on Blood Demon to see if I can improve his design.
This is better?
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I like the design, but the Star of David's kinda...well, very out of place. It looks almost like some kind of antisemitic propaganda.
I believe he was going for the satanic symbol there Gremlin. That's much better Hour-Man, and the inclusion of the belt buckle jives the design up nicely. The symbol could probably use a revision, though, if only for clarity sake.
I did not meant to offend anyone. I apologize if it is happened. I meant for the chest design to be a pentagram, to be looking evil. If somebody has a better design for the chest, I would be happy to be using it.
Ohh, I doubt you offended anybody, but I believe THIS is the design you were going for, right?:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Pentacle_2.svg
Oh, I know what he meant, but still, the image is a bit off.
The pentacle, too, has positive connotations in some respects, despite being defamed for it's alleged satanic connection.
I think a septagram, or seven-pointed star, might look cool, magical, and be completely nonoffensive. Or a demonic sigil, but it's bad mojo to write those down, so I'd recommend against it.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/04/Septagram-starofbabalon.svg/271px-Septagram-starofbabalon.svg.png
http://fa.univision.com/attachments/univision/imagenes/385830/1/elven-septagram.jpg
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I choosed to change the design so will not be offensive, am hoping that this is better?
That's a neat choice there HM, what is it? I think it looks good, and the design overall is quite solid man. ^_^
These are great designs HM, really bright and colorful for the Feeder and Q-Ranger, I like them. Blood Demon is pretty good as well. I like how you're using the same mesh that the original is using.
I thank you for coplimenting these characters. The emblem on Blood Demon is design I found using font. I wanted to not offend people, so I used something different.
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This is Captain Atom for Anti-matter.
THat's cool, but maybe if you didn't give him any skin at all, like regular Captain Atom, and maybe glowing red eyes for the sinister effect?
It's a good skin, but I think the villainous version should look more viscious.
I willl try to improve the character, should be silver or another color?
So all will know...tommorrow I will post my list of what I'm working on and perhaps...big perhaps there seeing as my hands are right now extremely raw and bloody...show some early work.
-DJ
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Is better? I am still working on.
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This is Expanded Man, for Elongate Man.
As promised 'eres the list...with their alt universe names included:
Rampage = Fury
The Guardian = Blackguard
Mento = Cognition
Ragman = Tatters
Kid Devil = Demonspawn
Blue Beetle = Dung Beetle
Inertia = Velocity
Tigress = Ocelot
Weather Wizard = The Meteorologist
The Wizard = Magus
Calculator = Abacus
Cyborg Superman = Ultraborg
When I post the finished skins, I will also post the bios with them.
-DJ
Dung Beetle, :thumbup:, that is priceless. :D.
Cyborg Superman/Ultraborg - Harold Henshaw was a crewmember of the space shuttle Redemption, the same space shuttle Ultraman destroyed for no apparent reason. During Ultraman's attack a freak radiation leak occurred, the result of which being the complete destruction of Henshaw's body, leaving him nothing but a form of pure energy. Enraged at what Ultraman's actions had turned him into, Henshaw beamed his consciousness into a replication matrix Ultraman had been experimenting with. With this matrix, Henshaw became a cyborg, with organic parts grown from Ultraman's DNA and limbs constructed of unknown alien metals. Garbing his new form in a facsimile of Ultraman's costume, Henshaw set out to seek his revenge on Ultraman and those who support him as Ultraborg. Though defeated multiple times, Ultraborg continues to fight for justice to Earth 3's populous.
Skin to come along with mroe historys and skins as well.
Hey HM, I love your latest version of Captain Atom. I think the silver is my favorite, as your Major Force is fairly gold already, that provides for a nice contrast. That's an excellent design there. I also like you Elongated Man, but Unkoman had already done one a while back. Still, that's a nice design, and I like your color scheme.
DJ, good back story for him. You're getting me excited to see this guy, an alternate version for a character I couldn't care less about, so that's saying something. :D
QuoteCyborg Superman/Ultraborg - Harold Henshaw was a crewmember of the space shuttle Redemption, the same space shuttle Ultraman destroyed for no apparent reason. During Ultraman's attack a freak radiation leak occurred, the result of which being the complete destruction of Henshaw's body, leaving him nothing but a form of pure energy. Enraged at what Ultraman's actions had turned him into, Henshaw beamed his consciousness into a replication matrix Ultraman had been experimenting with. With this matrix, Henshaw became a cyborg, with organic parts grown from Ultraman's DNA and limbs constructed of unknown alien metals. Garbing his new form in a facsimile of Ultraman's costume, Henshaw set out to seek his revenge on Ultraman and those who support him as Ultraborg. Though defeated multiple times, Ultraborg continues to fight for justice to Earth 3's populous.
Skin to come along with mroe historys and skins as well.
I never much cared for the Cyborg Superman either, but this does sound really cool, I look forward to the skin. :D
QuoteHey HM, I love your latest version of Captain Atom. I think the silver is my favorite, as your Major Force is fairly gold already, that provides for a nice contrast. That's an excellent design there. I also like you Elongated Man, but Unkoman had already done one a while back. Still, that's a nice design, and I like your color scheme.
I am glad about you liking the Captain Atom character. And I am glad that Elongate Man is already made. Are their more characters that you would like for to see?
Well, I'm interested to see some more classic JLA members, like Black Canary, Firestorm, Red Tornado, Hawkgirl, or Zatanna. Also, my mistake Hour-Man, Unko did Plasticman, so your awesome Elongated Man design can still be used!
We should call him "Longman." And then we can say, "Longman is looooooooooooooong."
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Hour Man, if you're interested in having somewhere to upload/distribute your skins, there is a Yahoo group that is devoted to DC Anti-Matter characters. Join the group and I'll set you up so you can upload your skins. Just an option.
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Anti_Matter_Characters_For_DCU/
This also goes for anyone else who has Anti-Matter based skins or skopes that they want to upload. Just send me a PM when you join and I'll set you up.
QuoteWell, I'm interested to see some more classic JLA members, like Black Canary, Firestorm, Red Tornado, Hawkgirl, or Zatanna. Also, my mistake Hour-Man, Unko did Plasticman, so your awesome Elongated Man design can still be used!
I have finished Dark Fusion (Firestorm), and if alrigt, I would like to make Red Tornado.
QuoteHour Man, if you're interested in having somewhere to upload/distribute your skins, there is a Yahoo group that is devoted to DC Anti-Matter characters. Join the group and I'll set you up so you can upload your skins. Just an option.
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Anti_Matter_Characters_For_DCU/
This also goes for anyone else who has Anti-Matter based skins or skopes that they want to upload. Just send me a PM when you join and I'll set you up.
Thank you Cyber Burn, that would be helpful for me.
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This is for Firestrom = Dark Fusion. But his fire effect does not show up good in the picture.
Hour_Man, I'll definitely be thrilled for you to take on whatever characters you want bud, so feel free to tackle Reddy. I LOVE the name Dark Fusion, that's so totally awesome. Nice skin too, I like the color scheme and the symbol. I do think that he could use a belt buckle or something to give his belt a little more definition, but other than that I think he's pretty awesome!
Dude! Firestorm = Cold Fusion. Drop the fire and there you go.
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Fixed character's belt.
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Ultraboy = Superboy
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Braniac = I not sure I like this though.
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Anti_Matter_Characters_For_DCU/
Thank you to Cyber Burn for giving me room to place the characters I made. They are now available to be downloaded.
Yeah, the belt buckle helps make Dark Fusion look more complete. I LOVE that Ultraboy, quite awesome. Brainiac, hmm....I don't know, I rather liked the idea presented in Syndicate Rules (I think) that the antimatter Brainiac was organic, a cyborg. You're design is quite cool looking though...