What issues did they happen in also?
Iron man did in one of the issues of Civil War.
No one is more powerful than Cap, so technically he has never defeated anyone more powerful than he.
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Oops read the title wrong :P. Thought it was the other way around.
Quote from: Cdub on June 19, 2008, 06:48:06 PM
Iron man did in one of the issues of Civil War.
while i don't remember civil war well enough to even begin a counter point, I do recall Captain America holding his own against Ironman and ripping him apart in the final issue. Ironman would have been way beyond defeated if Cap wouldn't have gave up. It annoys me that Tony and the pro-register side ran around acting all high and mighty when it took Cap giving up for them to win. :P
Anyway, are we speaking strictly 616 Capt? And do you mean solo battles with no interference?
Yes I do. Steve never would have defeated Tony if Vision hadn't interfered. My question is not limited to 616 Cap either by the way.
Cap has defeated the Super Adaptoid by himself, though I can't remember the issue.
In what I believe was issue 24 of the second or third Captain America run, Cap was in a one on one battle with Thanos, who had captured Cap's girlfriend. The rage inspired by his love for her enabled him to kick Thanos in the nuts, propelling him all the way to the moon, giving Steve time to rescue her and get some help from Thor.
Quote from: BWPS on June 20, 2008, 02:42:54 PM
In what I believe was issue 24 of the second or third Captain America run, Cap was in a one on one battle with Thanos, who had captured Cap's girlfriend. The rage inspired by his love for her enabled him to kick Thanos in the nuts, propelling him all the way to the moon, giving Steve time to rescue her and get some help from Thor.
The
moon? :blink:
Ya hear me, Alice? The moon!
Well... I have hear that he beat The Hulk once :blink:
wolverine
Out of continuity, he beat the living heck out of The Captain from Nextwave.
red skull with a cosmic cube?
Mr. Hyde When Hyde was being written well. i don't remember the issue but John Byrne drew it and Batroc was also in it.
In an issue of Iron fist, he and Danny lured the wrecking crew into the Danger room with them and turned it on "Thor' and it trashed them while our heroes avoided the traps.
thats what i like about cap.he's an all around character.he can hold his own with just about anybody.what he may lack in power he makes up for it with will power,determination,skill and a sharp mind.having a indestructable shield also helps.
Quote from: YoungHeros on June 21, 2008, 05:30:48 AM
Well... I have hear that he beat The Hulk once :blink:
Not sure he actually beat the Hulk, but I do know he has used Judo to toss the Hulk around, using the Hulk's own momentum against him. That was mostly defensive, though.
In way way just about everyone that Cap has beat was more powerful than him. I guess that's part of what's great about him, the way he regularly bashes people with enhancements, mutant powers and powered armor.
The reason Captain America is so likeable is that the majority of his opponents are stronger or have more powerful weapons than him. Cap usually wins by out-thinking them.
Off the top of my head:
Mr Hyde and Kobra at the same time while incapacitated by a stroke.
Super Patriot, when he was evil.
A room full of super-strong wrestlers, who'd been augmented by the Power Broker.
Crossbones ... while only at "normal" human strength after he'd had the Super Serum taken out via blood transfusion. This was after fighting Daredevil, Diamondback and being shot in the head by Black Widow.
The Wrecker, who had his full Thor-level strength, during the Masters of Evil's invasion of Avengers Mansion.
The Sub-Mariner.
Controller, with the strength and speed of The Sub-Mariner.
Ronald Reagan.
What issues did Cap fight and beat Sub Mariner and the Wrecker? I don't believe that Steve could beat any of these guys. If it did happen it was terrible writing, no way should this happen. The Wrecker was beating on Cage's Avengers and it took all of them to take him down.
It seems like you're only thinking about these fights in raw strength and stripping out any other variables (also, you're on the internet, so you can probably find most of the stuff you keep asking about such as issue numbers or at least be more specific as cap has fought people tons of times across the universes). Yes, I know you're referring to Jakew's post.
Also, I find it amusing that you say it's bad writing if Cap beats someone out of his range, according to your own beliefs, without you even reading the book to see how he does it. Just a little close-minded there, bud. ;)
P.S. Cage and Steve are on two different levels especially in the leadership position and remember these characters fluctuate a lot thanks to what the writer needs at the moment. Luke hasn't exactly been a perfect display of strength or leadership in his run as New Avenger's leader from what I can remember.
Don't forget, there are still pressure points on the invulnerable guys. Their entire body is not bulletproof or what not. They do have a level of sensitivity or else Luke Cage couldn't have a baby, if you catch my drift. Steve Rogers was a master of fighting styles, which I'm sure some of these utilized said pressure points. I'm sure if he wanted, Cap would never let Luke touch him unless he wanted him too.
Mr Hyde and Kobra at the same time while incapacitated by a stroke.
During the period where Cap wore "battle armour", I think this was in the same story arc where The Serpent Society took over a town and Jack Flag was introduced.
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Super Patriot, when he was evil.
During the period when the US government sacked him, he was known as The Captain and Super Patriot became Captain America. Steve Rogers just outfought him, even though John was far stronger.
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A room full of super-strong wrestlers, who'd been augmented by the Power Broker.
Soon after his first encounter with Super Patriot, it was also the first time Captain American met D-Man.
Crossbones ... while only at "normal" human strength after he'd had the Super Serum taken out via blood transfusion. This was after fighting Daredevil, Diamondback and being shot in the head by Black Widow.
During the "Streets of Poison" story line. http://politedissent.com/archives/2017
The Wrecker, who had his full Thor-level strength, during the Masters of Evil's invasion of Avengers Mansion.
The "terrible writing" you're talking about is a classic Avengers storyline where The Masters of Evil invade Avengers mansion, torture Jarvis, beat up Black Knight and bash Hercules into a coma. Here is a synopsis of the issue which explains how he beat The Wrecker http://www.leaderslair.com/avengers/avengers277.html
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The Sub-Mariner.
Captain America #365. Sub-Mariner was under the control of ... er, The Controller.
Controller, with the strength and speed of The Sub-Mariner.
Captain America #366
Ronald Reagan, who was way more politically powerful.
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