Freedom Reborn Archive

 :spoiler: This is the playtest and working thread for the Reformed mod to be released soon.  :spoiler:

Please if you want to enjoy the story don't check in this thread, rather wait for the offical announcement & release.

I would prefer only guys helping me to post here. But if you really can't wait so be it.

Okay to everyone helping me out you can post whatever you are busy with or want to discuss in here.

I have sent links via PM. This is the beta playtest to get feedback and give everyone a good idea what this mod is all about. There is no eye candy as yet so still many skins, artwork, loadingscreens, scopes, fx, head nifs etc must still be added. The scripting and story is close to final though & will be improved after feedback.

It is a Rar file with a shortcut inside. oh yeah like the current menu screen very much just a place holder until the real artists can create something.

I added a patch that adds more music sent via pms

install over/after the original.

Here is some ideas I need input on:

1. I am considiring adding a biker goon to drive around town and attack you/the girl. I am sure this will be cool but I am afraid the mission is rather tough already so don't want to make it too hard.
2. I don't have a background track for the intro yet, any ideas? though a heartbeat sound is supposed to play on the red flashing portion I must still figure out why it does not want to play.
3. Would you guys like it if Avian where able to ride his harley in mission2 (something like the tank in  :ffvstr:) I am unsure if I want to spend the time on scripting this cause it will influence all the events. 

Well, I haven't really played it yet, but I ran into some problems which prevented me from doing much.

Quote1. You'll probably want to make sure to warn US players that the game is currently configured for UK/DJ release versions of FFVTTR

2. That mission warp effect (render warp) really lagged my pc and I just cut it off during the first cutscene. That effect caused problems in the past, so you may wanna make a note about that in your readme.

3. Some minor grammatical/dialogue errors

I hope to have more for you later.

>1. You'll probably want to make sure to warn US players that the game is currently configured for UK/DJ release versions of FFVTTR

Is the install path different or what differences are there?

>2. That mission warp effect (render warp) really lagged my pc and I just cut it off during the first cutscene. That effect caused problems in the past, so you may wanna make a note about that in your readme.

I could just post an extra download (removing it) for people who has problems with that.

Quote from: C4 on November 14, 2007, 09:55:18 PM
>1. You'll probably want to make sure to warn US players that the game is currently configured for UK/DJ release versions of FFVTTR

Is the install path different or what differences are there?

The U.S. install path (and the budget UK release, iirc) is this by default: Program Files\Irrational Games\Freedom Force vs The 3rd Reich\

here is a link for the US version:

http://starlockforfreedom.bravepages.com/mods/Reformed%20-%20US.rar

that is just the shortcut addition BTW

I will add the patch to remove dream/pulse wave effects as optional later. Though I hope this was not a problem for many
people since it is really cool.

And here is a link that removes dream/pulse wave effects
http://starlockforfreedom.bravepages.com/mods/Reformed%20-%20No%20Pulse%20waves.rar

QuoteI will add the patch to remove dream/pulse wave effects as optional later. Though I hope this was not a problem for many
people since it is really cool.

It's a HUGE problem for a lot of people, and will like keep the mission from running at all for a good number of folks.  I'd personally recommend not using it.

Bummer.

Well if that is the case what I will do is to make the standard without it and add an optional patch to enable it for those that can enjoy it.

Hey guys...here's a few of the characters designs I've been workin' on for C4. I'm actually gonna be redrawing a few if not all of em and finishing up the rest of the characters this week. After the holidays...I'll be working on the rest....Team Shots and action scenes for load screens...the works. So with no further commercial interuption...


[spoiler](http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n172/blkcasanova247/Avian4.jpg)[/spoiler]

[spoiler](http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n172/blkcasanova247/Silhouette2.jpg)[/spoiler]

[spoiler](http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n172/blkcasanova247/DS20001.jpg)[/spoiler]

[spoiler](http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n172/blkcasanova247/Fury0004.jpg)[/spoiler]

[spoiler](http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n172/blkcasanova247/Fury3.jpg)[/IMG][/spoiler]

And there'll be a lot more coming.

Thanks Cas

Ok for the guys who don't know who these people are:
(in short)

1. Avian

Leader of the team can heal anyone + fly

2. Silhouette

Can change into a smoke form

3. Double S

Minor time control abilities + gadgets

Villians:
4. Ruin

Feeds of pain & suffering, fire control

5. Rage

Can cause fear & rage, gains strength & toughness when he feeds of them.

Huge mastery Blkcasanova247 ^^ As usual :thumbup:

Ok...so here's another character design.....Feedback. Keep watching this space over the next few days...there's more comin'! :D

[spoiler](http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n172/blkcasanova247/feedback0001a.jpg)
Yeah...I know...she's...umm...plasticaly enhanced! :P[/spoiler]

should i use powergirl for the base mesh? (the boobs)
still working on the others

She's one of the baddies, right?!
That means I'm supposed to work on her!
Grrrrrrreat!
(http://www.cartoonworld.org/nss-folder/stripcartoons/Wolf1s.gif)

edit:Nice work Blkcasanova247! You'll have to discuss their colors with C4.

Thanks Volsung and she is most definitely a bad girl. Designing her was an "enormous" undertaking! :P :lol: I'll pm C4 and copy you so that were on the same page. I'm finishing up Brace and starting Serengeti and also reworking Rage and Ruin. I'll work on these up till Christmas then not until January. After which I'll start on the load screens and title screen image.

So I won't get necessarily all the instructions and content to work effectively during my own holidays? (partially exiled from internet).  :P
Anyway, like always, I clearly  overestimate the amount of work I'll be capable to enchain during those days of liberty. :rolleyes:

Quoteshould i use powergirl for the base mesh? (the boobs)

Sure. Though if it gives you any issues, use what is easiest. Not sure about the boots & jacket though. But for the hair maybe psylocke by ink or the detourne_me scope. Her animations will be energy projection based. Powerful force blasts.

Which characters got their defined skoped mesh?

QuoteWhich characters got their defined skoped mesh?

Avian & Silhouette has scopes by BlkCasanova

Thor is busy with scopes for Ruin, Rage & Feedback

I must check with Carravagio if he is going to still do the Double S scope.

To keep this neatly in one place instead of sending pms around:

Avian:
based on Blkcasanova247 sketches * / * blue jeans with either a brown leather jacket and brown shirt with a black raven printed on the front or a black leather jacket with a white shirt and a black raven printed. * / * Like a hard looking Milo Ventimiglia


http://www.motorhelmets.com/htm1/apparel-street-jackets-shift-mens-leather-m1.htm   jacket-black version
http://www.psndealer.com/powersportsdlr/images/ec0252/70039-001-XS.jpg  - added another link the above one is dead.

Silhouette:
based on Blkcasanova247 sketches * / * Clothes colored like pics  * / * like Lee Ann Liebenberg
She will have two skins. One with clothes like the pics & one in pure black smoke form.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=73427348

http://www.leeannliebenberg.com/

http://ninjamonkeys.co.za/2007/03/30/beautiful_south_africans_lee_ann_liebenb/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/7895835@N05/486377348/

Double S:
based on Blkcasanova247 sketches * / * His Sunglasses & Logo - Blue. The rest of the clothes various shades of brown.

http://starlockforfreedom.bravepages.com/mods/ff_timeAnim_01.tga
for logo colouring just blue

http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2007/gallery/summer_music/chris_brown.jpg

Ruin:
based on Blkcasanova247 sketches * / * Clothes colored with a predominance of black with flames * / * No real person as reference

I think the face Casanova drew is perfect.

Rage:
based on Blkcasanova247 sketches * / * Clothes colored with a predominance of black and coloured purple. More detail: A black shirt with the word RAGE on his back in purple. A gray themed pants.

http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/drogba.jpg

Feedback:
based on Blkcasanova247 sketches * / * She got dynamic blue eyes & blue hair 
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/3625/copyofkhadija1mc.jpg    -   face & skin colour

http://www.cinemablend.com/images/news/1412/_1122995144.jpg  - eyes

for clothes colours I was thinking of a black & blue theme with silver / platinum jewelry.

Minx:
no sketches. French Female – Seductive

Can release A chemical substance that enduce a drugged like state in a foe. This substance mixed with her pheromones can completely chance the way males perceive events around them to the point that she can control them.

Want her costume to be something like this but without the belt also other boots:
http://www.victorinelingerie.com/sedevdrescoc.html

She can look something like this:
http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images/view?back=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.search.yahoo.com%2Fsearch%2Fimages%3Fei%3DUTF-8%26fr%3Dsfp%26p%3Dseductive%2Bcocktail%2Bdress&w=238&h=311&imgurl=www.shopdress.com%2Fstores%2Fshopdress%2Fcatalog%2FM58-1.jpg&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.shopdress.com%2FDetail.bok%3Fno%3D166&size=42.6kB&name=M58-1.jpg&p=seductive+cocktail+dress&type=jpeg&no=6&tt=9&oid=a114ee382832609e&ei=UTF-8


Serengeti:
no sketches. * / * a Ndebele with authentic clothes  * / * colours as pics - though maybe I will prefer a white, red & brown colour scheme for him.

http://images.google.co.za/images?svnum=10&um=1&hl=af&q=Michael+Clarke+Duncan&btnG=Soek+Prente

And remember he will have a standard skin plus four animal skins with aspects from them.   

Would like him to wear a shirt like this:

http://www.rebirth.co.za/images/MOH_1230.jpg

A hat like this but just with colours to match the shirt

http://www.rebirth.co.za/images/Africanhat_OMA_2483.jpg

and arm bands like these, Woman on way left.

http://www.rebirth.co.za/images/traditionalNdebeleclothing.jpg



Vista:
no sketches * / * clothes undefined * / * like Miguel Ferrer

The clothes I was thinking off was a suit. With maybe a rings type logo on the tie.

Brace:
no sketches * / * clothes mixed between modern clothes and retro Chinese. * / * like Kelly Hu

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/PF/PF_990632_OEM_15MB~Kelly-Hu-Posters.jpg

one or two pics about the clothes.
http://starlockforfreedom.bravepages.com/Psywallshadow.jpg
most left

http://starlockforfreedom.bravepages.com/mods/Final_FireEmblem_GS_Skin.jpg
Girl on right

The colour theme might be red & black, green & black.

edit added the two crime lords & angel:
Angel - A white male with spiky/messed up brown hair, blue yes, friendly looking.

Wearing a trenchcoat. with an all white theme like this middle dude:
http://thecia.com.au/reviews/r/images/rush-hour-3-2.jpg

maybe a glowing halo like Carr did. or glowing effect.


Crime lord 1 - An 40 year old black male he is the head of the deadly talon crime syndicate. Has a custom talon / claw on his right hand. 

Crime lord 2 - Two versions first is just a white male in his mid fifties, overweight/tummy
beard, in a suit.

Second version is after his accident his whole skin is burned/scarred that he can no longer feel, smell or taste. but his sight & hearing has reached superhuman levels. He is the leader of the howling wolf crime syndicate.

Oh yes there is two syndicates Howling wolf & Deadly talon, their members wear a tattoo that show they belong to this syndicate. I think these will do:
http://www.imagemotorcycle.com/products/LOGO2.gif 
http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/904581/2/istockphoto_904581_howling_wolf_icon.jpg - just the wolf head.

Coolness C4....thanks for the color references..I needed 'em. Minx....hmm...I shouldn't have any trouble sketching yet another hot girl for this mod. :P :lol:

QuoteCoolness C4....thanks for the color references..I needed 'em. Minx....hmm...I shouldn't have any trouble sketching yet another hot girl for this mod.

Hehe.. yup makes me wonder if maybe there are too many  :mellow:

I will add more detail on the colouring through the night. Just have to do some pic searching.

During my holidays i'm going to focus on Ruin,Rage and Feedback.
For now I can't predict my productivity. It will depends of the family laptop availability.
Blkcasanova247 can you had color hints on your sketches according to C4 wishes?

Absolutely. I should also have a couple of things done tomorrow....my first day off in the last 2 months. :wacko:

There's no such thing as "too" many hot girls. Keep adding 'em and I'll keep adding 'em to my "to-do" list. :P :lol:

Ok...so I'm gonna be posting a little later on a slight redesign for Rage. After looking at my previous drawing I felt that I could do a little better...so that's what this redesign will do. I'll probably do slight tweaks to the other character designs I have finished but not so much that they're comletely different. Sorry if this throws a spanner in the works....but I really want to do it right for the mod so that'll be as cool as possible.

The laptop is quite slow and awry, I hope that won't be that incapacitating.
Blkcasanova247 I hope we'll see your definitive design (with color info) pretty soon!
Thor? You're working on the scopes of Ruin, Rage and Feedback?
Can I quickly get them once they're finished?

yea as soon as casanova posts the new rage

You hear that casanova?  ;) I need to creaaate!

Will do fellas. I got called into work the last 2 days and I'm workin today....tomorrow I'll be sedating myself with booze and cooking all day but wednesday I'll have him all done and off to Juancho for color (Yeah! :lol: Casanova/Juancho productios is back baby!) with the other completed designs. If I do say myself....the new version is pretty cool. :thumbup: More tatts...bigger muscles and a real big knife! Thor I think you'll need to investigate a new 3ds knife once you see the new sketch!

I can't wait  :thumbup:
Well  :huh: in fact I really can't wait!
You've changed Rage, but do you really wish to modify Ruin and Feedback?!
You know, I can begin my work with a clear draft and colors guidelines. :)

Thor Reborn I may modify your skopes mesh to fit the sketches. ^_^

Ruin and Feedback...I'm gonna leave alone. I'm just gonna redraw them with a few minor tweaks...the costumes will remain the same since C4 is happy with 'em so you both can go for it. I know that C4 is doing bio pages for the characters so I'm just gonna redraw them for that purpose. Rage on the other hand was just a completely different animal. I'm not in New York right now...I left work and went directly to my aunt's home in Delaware so...unfortunately I can't show you the newer versio of rage till Wednesday. Sorry Volsung! :( If I get back home tomorrow night then I'll previw him for ya.

Don't apologize, it's obvious that i won't be able to do the 3 characters during those holidays, I just hope to achieve at least one. So i just want full information for Ruin or Feedback! The colors, and even a back view if there's specific details hidden. The sketches don't need to be polished! :)

Thor Reborn I realise that I don't got FFVTTR installed there. I just got Nifskope (+ 3dsmax , Photoshop and my trusty intuos 3 of course) and i'm not sure Nifskope can display skins. And if I export the nif as an obj to 3ds Max, I remember the textures coordinates are lost in the process.
Is it possible that you send me FFVTTR character tool aswell? I wonder if it can work without the game installed... :(

I just got in...it's 3 am and I gotta get up at 6:30am and go to work. But I just wanted to give a quick preview of Rage V2

[spoiler](http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n172/blkcasanova247/Ragev2b.jpg)[/spoiler]

I'll have him finished and out for paint later tonight as well as do a turn around for the back! ;) I'm having a post christmas dinner with my in-laws visiting from Japan later tonight but I'll still finish as soon as I get home

GREAT! :thumbup:
Now that he seems buffed up, his blade looks puny. What about a two handed one?

[spoiler](http://www.runenews.com/images/sword5.jpg)(http://www.terrediconfine.net/fumetti/manga/images/berserk/gatsu4.jpg)[/spoiler]

That is a big sword! :thumbup: But I think the oversized combat knife is the way to go. He wants to look in the eye's of his victims as he's gutting them....I figure he's very up close and personal.

Yes the new Rage looks great, I can see there was a lot of effort put into him, Thanks.

My sister thinks he is a very sexy bad boy (upper body ;))

The new knife looks mean, I like, though he must have two (not sure if it is still in the works?)

QuoteHe wants to look in the eye's of his victims as he's gutting them....I figure he's very up close and personal.

Exactly ^_^

Quote from: Volsung on December 25, 2007, 01:43:35 AM

Thor Reborn I realise that I don't got FFVTTR installed there. I just got Nifskope (+ 3dsmax , Photoshop and my trusty intuos 3 of course) and i'm not sure Nifskope can display skins. And if I export the nif as an obj to 3ds Max, I remember the textures coordinates are lost in the process.
Is it possible that you send me FFVTTR character tool aswell? I wonder if it can work without the game installed... :(

Sir Volsung,

Nifskope can show skins, but you'd probably be better off using Ctool. Yes, ctool 1 and 2 can be used without installing the game if you have the correct files saved somewhere. I don't remember all the files off-hand, but I believe I have the bare modtools (about 10mb) uploaded somewhere.

One thing I was thinking about on the new Rage, As much as I like the bare chest we have no place to add his Rage letters in purple now.(sort of his logo) But then I would not want to lose the muscled mean look so maby two skins where one just has the shirt and one not, then keep the pic like it is for the bio? What do you think?

Previsionary gave me a functionnal Character tool.
And I figured how to display skins in nifskope (such a genius  :blink:)

Quote from: C4 on December 27, 2007, 11:49:00 PM
One thing I was thinking about on the new Rage, As much as I like the bare chest we have no place to add his Rage letters in purple now.(sort of his logo) But then I would not want to lose the muscled mean look so maby two skins where one just has the shirt and one not, then keep the pic like it is for the bio? What do you think?

I was actually doing this pretty serious back tatt that was featuring his name...but I was more thinking a blood red rather than purple. Purple strikes me as a little whimppy of a color for this murderous slashing and stabbing machine. :P ;) Also I'm doing even more scars, tattoos and even bullet wounds that would be a shame to cover with a shirt. But its up to you my man.

Wow that sounds great.

I was saying keep the pic exactly like that and then if Volsung don't mind have two skins set to random, one with a shirt and one without.

I did't know about the rage tatt though, so I await with much happiness.  :cool: :thumbup:

oh and yes keep the tatt blood red.

Coolness! :cool:

Oh yeah one thing I forgot to mention. I really like the whole Heyna theme of the tattoos, the head and that paw scratch still is just special.

No problem, I definitely love working on those designs. :thumbup:

Ruin is in progress, from scratch.

Awesome!!!!!! :lol:

still looking for a proper knife

[spoiler](http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w227/J_Legacy/FF_111.jpg)[/spoiler]

That looks cool.  :cool:

Just to be sure the scope for Ruin isn't needed since Volsung has decided to take on doing a mesh for him.

Nice goin' Thor...look's good so far. Well he's done...I'm working on the back piece now but I at least wanted to post this in case I don't until Tuesday. ;)

[spoiler](http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n172/blkcasanova247/Rage0001.jpg)[/spoiler]

Alright now back to work. :D

I post from a borrowed computer,  ruin's mesh and unwrap are done . The texture/skin however is barely started.
Hopefully I got an extra day of vacation in my stronghold before getting back to the office.
I should spend it efficiently without using the paternal moribund computer.

Ruin will have some custom animation, FXs, and face animation. Those features legitimate my caprice of not using/waiting for skopes   :)

Rage's design is breathtakingly! :thumbup:

Rage is a work of art!!  :)

QuoteI post from a borrowed computer,  ruin's mesh and unwrap are done . The texture/skin however is barely started.
Hopefully I got an extra day of vacation in my stronghold before getting back to the office.
I should spend it efficiently without using the paternal moribund computer.

Ruin will have some custom animation, FXs, and face animation. Those features legitimate my caprice of not using/waiting for skopes   

Can't wait, no really....

a quick progress report from the scripting side, I am back from my vacation.

I have finished missions 3 + 4, they are playable. I only need to finish one or two cutscenes so I should be able to upload them by the weekend.

Now that we are in January there is a few things:

First I would like to have the first episode ready for release around 20 - 31 January. This is not a deadline like at work though we do need a guideline to where we are heading.

I am starting work on the website and I am going to do a proper credits page. Where all the people that contributed on my request will get a special portion including what you want. So this can maybe be an avatar pic with a link to your website / portfolio other FF stuff etc. Let me know what you guys want in there. 

QuoteFirst I would like to have the first episode ready for release around 20 - 31 January. This is not a deadline like at work though we do need a guideline to where we are heading.

Ok, I'll  achieve the kingpin models just after Ruin's skin.

QuoteI am starting work on the website and I am going to do a proper credits page. Where all the people that contributed on my request will get a special portion including what you want. So this can maybe be an avatar pic with a link to your website / portfolio other FF stuff etc. Let me know what you guys want in there. 

sure^^

Hey guys, just checking in, letting you know I'm on board :) hope to have something to show you all soon.

Coolness! :thumbup: I love it when a plan comes together! :lol:

Ok so i cuaght up on all the PMs and emails C4 has sent me and Cas, your stuff looks great. Can someone point me in the right direction? Where should I start? There has been a lot of shifting of responsibility around, so can someone let me know what I can do to help? :)

In order of appearance:

1. Avian, Angel, civilians & thugs
2. Silhouette, factory workers
3. Vista, crime syndicates
4. Serengeti
5. Double S, Crime lord 2 (Deadly Talon)
6. Brace, Crime lord 1 (Howling Wolf)
7. all the villains & second skin of crime lord 1 (burned)

So Carr for the first episode from you we need skins for Avian, Silhouette (two forms) & the Angel. We will see how things progress but maybe Vista as well. And your assistance to Casanova on the menu screen, a loading screen for Avian & Silhouette loading screen. 

Then on the art Casanova and me just quickly discussed it and decided to get into it in January so here is my ideas:

Front (menu) screen:  I was thinking a team shot with them painted as graffiti on an urban wall.

Something like this :
http://www.flickr.com/photos/wentalkstoshoes/521440714/

I still have to think what everyone is doing and it might be nice to have the angel watching over them somewhere.

Avian Loading screen: For those of you that played the first two missions will know the opening scene where Avian heals a man who was shot and is shot as well. The screen is from that scene. So we have Avian with his knees on the ground his face tilted downwards and his hands to his sides. Three bullet holes in his chest. A lot of black smoke coming from his hands and eyes. small amounts of smoke coming from the bullet wounds. Maybe some cool effect with smoke leaving the screen.

Silhouette Loading screen: Silhouette having gone to smoke form with her lower body wrapped around a thug (in smoke) she had reformed her torso and head (flesh form), but her hair and arms are still in smoke form and she is sending that smoke into the thug's nose,mouth. 

Vista Loading screen: Vista looking chuffed with his hands behind his back. in front of him there is two autopsy tools floating (ie. his spirit is holding them)

Can do :D

I have the playtest up to mission 4 done, will package and upload tommorow. A few notes:

The fx that silhouette currently has looks crap(I know), though my buddy Prev will thankfully assist here.

This is the full 4 missions in a new download so you don't need any of the previous files.

it includes my new custom civilian chat system - right now it still needs a lot of work and additions but it currently incudes
random lines said by civilians opposed to one. Civilian lines changing according to what you have done, in mission two once you start doing good deeds they will respect and like you where before they treated you like a dodgy stranger. and when certian cvilians pass each other they will stop and chat, their conversations also change according to events, as such in mission two they will discuss the new healer guy or in mission 4 the syndicate hit. and lastly my old patented can make phone calls on the phone booths thing, phone chick hot lines, listen to your voicemail etc.

The possibilities are endless; like a proper detective scene where talking to this guy opens new lines then talking to a few more opens an object to be inspected etc. Or when you screw up and many civs are ko'd or buildings destroyed they could give you a hard time lose respect. or when you do great things a civilian might become a vigilante sidekick and so on. I know it currently need a lot of improvement, bug fixing and so forth but this will give you the feel for it.

The plan is to pull the player into the world more. Thanks to Volsung we will have a wonderful array of modern civilians.  

Then the pause settings need to be at sixteenth speed slow motion, not only is this how I play FF but in this mod there is slow motion portions in cutscenes and especially later on I have some cool slow motion cutscene portions planned.  

Up to here you play with Avian hitman, Avian, Silhouette & Vista. Silhouette mission 3 has scripting where when she is in the dark she can not be seen.

Oh and m 3 + 4 does not have music yet, still looking for it (always appreciate suggestions though)

Lastly the dream wave effects will not be in the playtest.  

I'm one hot little potato right now! It sounds unbelievable!

Playtest link sent via pm.  ^_^

The feedback I got from Volsung. I would like us to keep it all in one place so that every playtester don't send me the same issues

QuoteI tried Reformed quickly and encountered several problems.

I can't win the first stealth mission with Avian. That's too hard, I get discovered everytime! I can't figure how I must do.
A civilian is able to turn around before I can dissapear behind the corner of a street. And when I finally succeed I'm noze to noze with another civilian and it's game over!
I used the cheat 'peace()' to go through that zone.

This is one of those patience portions, It requires study of how civilians move, though I really do not want to discourage
people with something that is too difficult. There is a few options, one to reduce the amount of civilians, two a bomb threat on the phone is currently just a joke but can make civilians run away and clear a portion of road.     

QuoteDuring mission two, I skipped the first cinematic but, during the fight with the goons, the screens keeps fading to black frenetically. I guess skipping the cinematic didn't cancel those planned fade to black effects .

Even if you skip the cutscene Avian still has to fight the goons with his blurred vision.

QuoteI also add difficulties in achieving mission 2. You should reduce the areas that trigger the events.

Not sure what you mean? Can you elaborate?

QuoteSince I played in very easy mode (I have to work so it's a way to play 'quicker'). The boy that I'm supposed to save die and vanish in an instant. (wow, the young punks actually killed him!)

Yes they (the mesh) punch really fast, I will make only one punch so it will take twice so long.

QuoteLater when I punched the thug and recover the money, I couldn't figure who it belongs to! (by the way the money looked like a brick^^)

There is six good deeds and only three needs to be done to win, the money issue is one of the less obvious good deeds.
  :spoiler:  Giving it to the beggar is in fact what gets the deed.  :spoiler:

QuoteWhen I saved the girl (who feeled almost nothing when the thug with a bat stroke her) the game seemed to not detect my victory, the girl stand still...mute.

With the feel almost nothing - do you mean I must make her scream or she does not run away from him or ?
I must check why the victory was not recorded 

QuoteDuring the 'famous' slow motion cinematic where silhouette is born, the game almost freezed.
That cinematic and the dialogs were quite confusing for me^^

I think it is because the camera can't follow the bullet right from the start that it feels like it is freezing. For reasons not to be known by the player i can't track the bullet right of the bat but I guess I will either have to make another plan or drop this. Could you elaborate more on what was confusing so I can improve on it.  ;)

QuoteOn the next mission I think the chained flashback and flashforward can be confusing too^^

Hmmm I worried about this, I will have to find a way to make this flow better. Just don't know how.

QuoteI rushed on that mission so I didn't notice anything suspicious. I didn't try to stay hidden or to knock out all the thugs I rushed to the objective in the factory.If the player don't mind about secondary objectives, maybe you shouldn't point the main objective directly, so the player would be obliged to explore the factory with silhouette a little.

I can put in extra objectives to do something on another part of the map before going to the factory.   

QuoteI enjoyed playing Vista. But you should be careful with imposed events. They are quickly blocking. (I destroyed the bench wih a wrong movement instead of 'tk moving' it to the destination. It forced me to restart the mission)

Despite all those minor worries, the game still got a prodigious potential

I can make it that you can move either of the two benches.

Thanks for the feedback, I want to now concentrate on getting these 4 missions as playable & enjoyable as possible.
Though we need more playtesters maybe it is time to announce in mods.

Quote from: C4 on January 02, 2008, 10:24:14 PM
In order of appearance:

So Carr for the first episode from you we need skins for Avian, Silhouette (two forms) & the Angel...

Just remind me, do we have skopes or custom meshes for these already, or am i making skopes for them? I don't mind either way, I just am unsure :D

QuoteJust remind me, do we have skopes or custom meshes for these already, or am i making skopes for them? I don't mind either way, I just am unsure

The scopes for Avian & Silhouette are in the playtest or I can mail them seperately to you if you want. (Just remember I asked if you could take a look at the particle fx on the silhouette mesh)

For Vista we use the male_suit by Grenadier also in the playtest.

Angel you can take the male_trenchcoat (Gni) in the playtest and just remove the hair & staff.

Volsung will later on do a custom mesh for Serengeti & maybe Brace so at least then you will have something new to work on.  ^_^

QuoteThis is one of those patience portions, It requires study of how civilians move, though I really do not want to discourage
people with something that is too difficult. There is a few options, one to reduce the amount of civilians, two a bomb threat on the phone is currently just a joke but can make civilians run away and clear a portion of road.   

Just wait the other playtester report. (Or buy avian a hood or a wig^^)

QuoteEven if you skip the cutscene Avian still has to fight the goons with his blurred vision

I see, ben those vision are not affected by the pause.Maybe you should distort the image instead (like the first ffvttr mission)

QuoteNot sure what you mean? Can you elaborate?

Each good deeds event happen too soon, when you're far from the concerned area.
But I guess that's only  because of the easy mode that I can arrive too late to save the victim.

QuoteYes they (the mesh) punch really fast, I will make only one punch so it will take twice so long.

May i quibble a little?^^
Those kids actually killed the third one! At least the way all those character vanish make us think that's a death!
Child brawl with death is excessive don't you think? ^^ By the way, our new hero Avian would bash kids?
maybe that's the occasion to use your chat system, to convince or scare them.

Quote[spoiler]Giving it to the beggar is in fact what gets the deed. [/spoiler]

I did once, but at that time I didn't find him!

Quote
With the feel almost nothing - do you mean I must make her scream or she does not run away from him or ?I must check why the victory was not recorded 

She run away but takes really minor damage.

QuoteI think it is because the camera can't follow the bullet right from the start that it feels like it is freezing. For reasons not to be known by the player i can't track the bullet right of the bat but I guess I will either have to make another plan or drop this. Could you elaborate more on what was confusing so I can improve on it.  wink

I should play that scene again to make a precise report.

QuoteHmmm I worried about this, I will have to find a way to make this flow better. Just don't know how.

I should play that scene again to make a precise report.(bis^^)

QuoteI can put in extra objectives to do something on another part of the map before going to the factory.

sure

QuoteI can make it that you can move either of the two benches.

Just wondering, do you know how a way to 'reset' that trial? So any wrong move would not be blocking?

QuoteThanks for the feedback, I want to now concentrate on getting these 4 missions as playable & enjoyable as possible.Though we need more playtesters maybe it is time to announce in mods.

^_^

QuoteJust wait the other playtester report. (Or buy avian a hood or a wig^^)

:lol:

QuoteI see, ben those vision are not affected by the pause.Maybe you should distort the image instead (like the first ffvttr mission)

Cat & Prev mentioned how that is a problem for many. I know this might be something very new to adjust to only being able to see what is going on every x seconds. But that is the idea :P We will see how others take it.

QuoteEach good deeds event happen too soon, when you're far from the concerned area.

That is an easy fix.

QuoteMay i quibble a little?^^
Those kids actually killed the third one! At least the way all those character vanish make us think that's a death!
Child brawl with death is excessive don't you think? ^^ By the way, our new hero Avian would bash kids?
maybe that's the occasion to use your chat system, to convince or scare them.

*takes off glove* hehe

No he is not supposed to bash them, they are set to detect danger when they detect danger they flee. I can give the kid a minhealth so they can beat him senseless and he wont go down.  :huh:

QuoteJust wondering, do you know how a way to 'reset' that trial? So any wrong move would not be blocking?

Ok, I can respawn the bench if you break it.  :P 

Edit: About the money looking like a brick. I originally used the money bag from FF but it gives a lot of trouble. Maybe you can make me a money or money bag nif?

Well I got another playtest report and the stealth portion is not liked.

Here is what I think I should do about it:

The bomb threat that clears a portion of road.
Give the player a way of distracting a civilian. Not sure what as yet.
Put a biker that you can knock out and steal his bike to drive to the spot undecected.

I'll try to test this soon, but given my general disdain for FF (in general) right now, I don't know how close 'soon' will be.

That happens when you have done the amount of mod work you have done. A month or six break and urges will freakishly return again. 

Quote from: C4 on January 21, 2008, 10:12:56 PM
A month or six break and urges will freakishly return again. 

I read that as "A mouth and six beaks with freakishly return again."  :blink:
Anyway, I just bought a new wacom tablet that actually works on my new PC, so the final hurdle that was holding me back has been cleared. i have the skopes, so I will have some actual progress very soon :)

QuoteI read that as "A mouth and six beaks with freakishly return again."

Oh yeah, that is what I actually meant, FF modding is harsh.

:P

QuoteAnyway, I just bought a new wacom tablet that actually works on my new PC, so the final hurdle that was holding me back has been cleared. i have the skopes, so I will have some actual progress very soon

Good to hear  ^_^

Casanova! Your PM inbox is full!  :lol: