A splinter discussion from the 'Cap's death?' thread, because I wanted to discuss something separate without getting into other ideas involved with the issue.
With Steve Rogers now seemingly dead who should be, or should there be, the next Captain America?
This was of course one of the first things I thought about. Actually considering I was pretty sure Cap would die in 25 I was actually thinking about it for the last few days. We've been told the Captain America title will continue, so assuming Steve is dead or incompassitated for some time, will someone else become Captain America? Now those following the Cap's regular title are aware of the regular role of Bucky aka the Winter Soldier and I have to assume there's a good chance it would be him. But if Someone were to take up Steve's mantle I really wish it would be Falcon. I've really gained a great respect for Sam and his relationship with Steve, and I really feel that if there was one person who understood him and was in the best position to take up the mantle it would be Sam. I'd adapt the Captain America costume so it would have Sam's solid sound wings, maybe change the chain mail to a feather patterm, but otherwise leave it unchanged. The real question though is if Falcon could elevate himself well enough to carry on indefinitely as a viable title character of a solo title long term. The answer there is probably no, but I'd be willing to give it a shot.
I'd love to hear other's thoughts, whether you think someone else is a better person for the job, or whether you think the mantle should die with Steve. Or any speculation you have on what will be coming up in the months ahead for Marvel and whether someone new will become Captain America or not, or even if Steve will return.
Glad you brought this up. After reading the news today (I *never* expected to see Steve Rogers die....ever....but then again I never expected to see him surrender either but I digress...) I thought about who would take up the shield. It's pretty obvious somebody else will - at least for a little while. I thought it would either be a) The Falcon, or b) The Punisher.
The Punisher is a ruthless vigilante and a perfect opportunity for Cap to be ruined even more than he already has. So with the opportunity right in their face, I'm sure Marvel will happily jump for that. Though they'll probably work the angle of Steve Rogers *inspiring* Punisher to greater deeds yadda yadda yadda....
As for the Falcon well, here's an opportunity for Marvel to give the shield over to a minority character all for the sake of political correctness and that the mantle of liberty can be wielded by anybody. While I'm not against a minority (afterall I am one) portrayed as a patriot - I would applaud Falcon since I think he's the best choice to fill the shoes of Steve. Mainly because he more closely exhibits the traits of Steve than any other character out there. Steve stood for every American citizen regardless of race or whathaveyou. The Readers do not need to be smacked with political correctness - but considering how awful this can truly get - again I don't put it pass Marvel at this point.
If I was going to take the odds to Vegas I'd wager on Punisher becoming the next Cap. It was forshadowed in the comics moreso than Falcon.
Who should be the next Cap?
Batman.
If there's going to be a next Captain America (which there shouldn't be) I'd say it's even money on it being his old partner Bucky/Winter Soldier. They've brought this suped-up version of Bucky to do what? Play second fiddle to Cap...I don't quite see it that way.
Here's my candidates in order:
1) Winter Soldier but still totally himself. In other words a similar suit than what he has now but carrying the shield.
2) Isaiah Bradley or Josiah X. They both have captains powers and combat experience and both would be righteously anti gov.
3) John Walker: "captain america is not dead, he joined the pro registration finally!". John Walker in the suit of course.
4) Jack Flag: Gets "repaired" and takes on the mantle.
5) Taskmaster: Brainwash him and send him into the world as Captain America. Again a great pro-reg movement.
Longshots:
1) Maya Lopez: a deaf version of taskmaster who dosent mind going around looking like a dude.
2) Bruce Wayne: because SHJ rocks.
3) T'Challa: He's really the caps brother from another mother.
4) Frank Castle: I love the character to death and hope he keeps his own comic... but he would be less super and more soldier.
5) Captain america clone: It worked with THOR! Kind of... oh geez clone Captain just killed a hero...
For the record Tony has/will have the shield by Fallen Son.
Patriot maybe? I think that would be interesting, sort of following in the footsteps of his grandfather, but I don't think he would get a solo book just yet. Interestingly enough when Luguru said Captain America clone, perhaps it was a clone of Cap who got killed in the first place?.
If I had to guess, I would say probably Winter Soldier.
Quote from: Podmark on March 07, 2007, 07:44:57 PM
For the record Tony has/will have the shield by Fallen Son.
Which sort of implies that Stark will have some input into who assumes the mantle (I heard he was now head of S.H.I.E.L.D. so why not?). So, who would Stark put in the Red, White, and Blues? Or to be more accurate, who would Marvel have Stark put in the uniform?
That, I don't know.
I confess to have had a ridiculous picture in my head of Iron-Man in Red, White, and Blue armor toting the shield.
I don't think even Marvel has the stomach for the outrage THAT would produce in the fanbase, and it wouldn't make a particularly good story either, so I suppose we can rule that out. :)
If anyone takes over the role of Cap, I'd want it to be either Winter Soldier or Sharon Carter.
So help me, if Tony Stark has any say in who is the new Cap and its not one of those two, then I hope that person is shot in the head the issue after they debut! Because you just know he'll pick someone who is pro-reg. We've already had one government bootlicker (USAgent) in the role of Cap. We don't need another. Cap represents the people, NOT the politicians, and that's the way it should be.
And whoever said it looked like Sharon Carter was the shooter, I've seen a couple pics from the comic, and wasn't she near him when he was a shot by a sniper?
Well, Cappy's been in an Iron Man- esque Exo Suit back when his serum burned out the nervous system and was rendered a paraplegic, so "Iron Cap" isn't too far off. Shoot, they gave Spidey armor for a while!
While my money's on Winter Bucky, Punisher, or John Walker (in that order), I think a really interesting turn of events would be to have Cable in the suit. But have everyone know it's him, so it's more like a homage to the man, and not just a "filling of the shoes". He has a very high regard for Cap, he holds many of the same ideals (now), he's built like Steve, and he's used the shield before (in the future). Plus, now that he and Deadpool have (for the most part) split, he's in need of his own book. Perminant? No. But a neat idea nonetheless.
Oh, and if I were a betting man, I'd say it's a Life Model Decoy that got shot, while Cap goes to Canada and joins Omega Flight under an assumed alias for a while.
Quote from: The Hitman on March 07, 2007, 11:10:04 PM
Well, Cappy's been in an Iron Man- esque Exo Suit back when his serum burned out the nervous system and was rendered a paraplegic, so "Iron Cap" isn't too far off. Shoot, they gave Spidey armor for a while!
While my money's on Winter Bucky, Punisher, or John Walker (in that order), I think a really interesting turn of events would be to have Cable in the suit. But have everyone know it's him, so it's more like a homage to the man, and not just a "filling of the shoes". He has a very high regard for Cap, he holds many of the same ideals (now), he's built like Steve, and he's used the shield before (in the future). Plus, now that he and Deadpool have (for the most part) split, he's in need of his own book. Perminant? No. But a neat idea nonetheless.
Oh, and if I were a betting man, I'd say it's a Life Model Decoy that got shot, while Cap goes to Canada and joins Omega Flight under an assumed alias for a while.
Cable as Cap? Interesting idea....
I'm hoping it was an LMD, with Sharon being in on it. But Cap going to Canada to join Omega Flight? Don't see that happening. If anything, I'd suspect that Steve would either go underground and try to get in touch with the common man (see Frontline #11 for why....and geez, I can't believe they wrote that crap) or wait for the registration to blow up in the pro-reg side's face (ie, someone who shouldn't get access to it getting access and havoc ensuing) then pop up and do an `I told you so!' and kick Stark's butt.
Quote from: The Hitman on March 07, 2007, 11:10:04 PMI think a really interesting turn of events would be to have Cable in the suit. But have everyone know it's him, so it's more like a homage to the man, and not just a "filling of the shoes". He has a very high regard for Cap, he holds many of the same ideals (now), he's built like Steve, and he's used the shield before (in the future). Plus, now that he and Deadpool have (for the most part) split, he's in need of his own book. Perminant? No. But a neat idea nonetheless.
Actually if you've read Cable & Deadpool, and maybe some of the recent X-Men, then Cable homaging Cap would make so much sense. It won't happen for various reasons but I really like the idea. I used to hate Cable, but the last few years he's turned into one of my favorite characters.
Hey maybe this is why Cable currently has an image of Cap's shield on his shoulder!
I'm still betting it's Bucky, but I'd love it if it was Sam.
Well cable has turned into a great dissident character. The only thing that bugs me is how they write him: invincible, be it his super high power level at first or now that he is de-powered his batman cleverness. Still all in all Captain america, part cyborg, white hair visible, big anti-reg statement from the get-go... that would be cool.
USAgent would be a very interesting choice, considering his relationship with Tony. Based on everything I read way back when (i'm thinking Force Works era), Tony wasn't really fond of John at all, but had a measure of respect for him.
All that said, considering the negative results of John's last stint as Cap, I don't know that it makes any sense to put him back in the suit.
Setting aside the fact that I'm not yet convinced Cap will stay dead past the end of this storyarc and assuming Marvel will have someone else take up the mantle of Captain America, it depends on the situation.
If the US government decides to choose someone to become the new Cap, which would make since considering what's happened, anyone who was anti-reg wouldn't be a likely choice. If I'm not mistaken, John Walker was against registration and is apparently heading to Canada so he's out. One possible choice would be the Anti-Cap from the short lived Captain America and the Falcon series but I doubt he's high profile enough.
If you're talking about a hero choosing to take on the mantle on they're on, Winter Soldier and the Falcon are the front runners. They essentially have the same credentials for the role. Both were Cap's closest allies, they're both skilled fighters, both courageous, etc. If one has a mark against them I'd say it's the Winter Soldier since he uses lethal force and the Falcon doesn't.
You could even have a situation where several heroes, some pro-reg and some anti-reg, all want to take on the mantle of Captain America.
Quote from: Agent on March 08, 2007, 10:25:04 AMYou could even have a situation where several heroes, some pro-reg and some anti-reg, all want to take on the mantle of Captain America.
They could call it "The Reign of the Captain Americas (Captains America?)"...
Quote from: Agent on March 08, 2007, 10:25:04 AM
One possible choice would be the Anti-Cap from the short lived Captain America and the Falcon series but I doubt he's high profile enough.
Didn't he die at the end of the series?
Well, assuming that Steve is actually dead (which I doubt and hope he isn't; after Disassembled, House of M and Civil War, I don't really trust Marvel to do anything good with his death storywise), I would think the revived Bucky the most likely choice; since I see little point to bringing him back otherwise.
The Falcon would make a great Cap. However, because he was so close to Steve, I think he would refuse to do it. Unless heavily pressured to do so by other heroes he respected, I think he would be very resistant to the idea of him being the new Cap. In fact, I think the Falcon would believe that no one could fill Steve's shoes and would be suspicious of anyone who tried. I think he'd find some other way to honor Cap's memory. That's my opinion anyway.
DK
Quote from: Dweomer Knight on March 08, 2007, 12:05:53 PM
The Falcon would make a great Cap. However, because he was so close to Steve, I think he would refuse to do it. Unless heavily pressured to do so by other heroes he respected, I think he would be very resistant to the idea of him being the new Cap. In fact, I think the Falcon would believe that no one could fill Steve's shoes and would be suspicious of anyone who tried. I think he'd find some other way to honor Cap's memory. That's my opinion anyway.
DK
I completely agree.
They previewed a female captain america before civil war even started, but the images got pulled, i'll see if I can find one
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before it gets said, no it wasnt american dream
hmm now that is very interesting....
Ergh now I wouldn't like to see that. It seems nowadays when someone new takes up a mantle of a superhero/villian there has to be something totally different about them. Scorpian into a woman, before we knew Ronin was Echo she was drawn extremely masculine, the whole Magneto - Xorn thing. I think they need to think less about shock factor, and more about logical choices.
Quote from: Podmark on March 08, 2007, 11:52:22 AM
Quote from: Agent on March 08, 2007, 10:25:04 AM
One possible choice would be the Anti-Cap from the short lived Captain America and the Falcon series but I doubt he's high profile enough.
Didn't he die at the end of the series?
Oops. You're right he did. Forget I said that part. :P
I'm sure it's been brought up, but I'd like to think that Ms. Marvel was telling the truth in The Initiative.
Captain America isn't like a Green Lantern or a Flash. His "power" isn't really the Super Soldier serum and/or the indestructible shield. The essence of the character is that he's Steve Rogers, a man who inspires respect and confidence in everyone he meets. He's the one mortal that Greek and Norse gods will gladly follow into battle. His skill, courage, competence, and moral character are legendary.
And it's that "legendary" that's really important. The essence of the character is not just that he has these exemplary qualities, but that everyone knows he has them. It's the respect that other characters have for him that is Captain America's real power.
You can't duplicate that by giving someone powers and putting them in the same costume. And you can't reproduce that mythic aura by just writing a story where you say, "Oh, everybody *really* respects this guy." The only reason Steve Rogers makes it work for the reader is because he's been earning that respect for 40+ years.
Quote from: Urthman on March 16, 2007, 12:14:28 AM
Captain America isn't like a Green Lantern or a Flash. His "power" isn't really the Super Soldier serum and/or the indestructible shield. The essence of the character is that he's Steve Rogers, a man who inspires respect and confidence in everyone he meets. He's the one mortal that Greek and Norse gods will gladly follow into battle. His skill, courage, competence, and moral character are legendary.
You can't duplicate that by giving someone powers and putting them in the same costume. And you can't reproduce that mythic aura by just writing a story where you say, "Oh, everybody *really* respects this guy." The only reason Steve Rogers makes it work for the reader is because he's been earning that respect for 40+ years.
Uhm, yes and no... Steve Rogers didn't reveal who he was until just a few years ago. Captain America already once had been replaced with John Walker and nobody realized the difference until he started going crazy after his parents were shot and The Captain popped up elsewhere to do crimefighting. And I believe 5 different people have worn the uniform over the lifetime of the character but he was still just as respected and loved because no matter what happened to Captain America he kept on fighting like the legend he was. What everone has forgotten since the '80s was that Steve drove cross country in his van using his Stars & Stripes phone network to "walk among the people" and understand how things have changed since he was thawed out. Heck, He even worked as an artist on his own comic book - you can't be any more in touch with your target audience then that.
What makes this different was that Steve unmasked himself on live television to surrender and essentually removed himself from the legend so that someone worthy could take on the namesake without his "arrest" tarnishing the name.
Besides long time fans know that Nick Fury didn't vanish into the underground after Secret War to "retire" so there is a huge chess game being played between him and The Red Skull's allies who have been making big plans.
- CrimsonQuill
Quote from: crimsonquill on March 16, 2007, 04:53:35 AM
What makes this different was that Steve unmasked himself on live television to surrender and essentually removed himself from the legend so that someone worthy could take on the namesake without his "arrest" tarnishing the name
Unfortunately, from a reader's persepective, his surrender was poorly written and seemed out of character, the name of Steve Rogers and Captain America
have both been tarnished, and I firmly believe that the few people truly worthy of inheriting the Cap legend would refuse to do so.
Heroes don't decide, "Hey, I'm a legend today!". Other heroes and the populace in general will make a legend out of someone based on that character's actions. Similarly, a character can't say "Forget it, I'm not a legend anymore." That just isn't believable. A legend will always be a legend as long as people still believe in what he/she stould for or unless he completely betrays those values. Few readers accept, as written, that Cap abandoned his values though this seems to be the stance that Marvel is taking and thus his name is tarnished.
Since Marvel seems to be trying really hard to make us believe that Cap was in the wrong here (the post CW interview for example), it makes me wonder why anyone in the general populace of the MU would want another Cap at all. His name and legend
have been tarnished; Marvel's been forcing that tarnish down our throats (and doing a crappy job of it, IMO).
Presumbaly this will continue until a) Marvel tries to pull off a big surprise by reversing everything, b) enough time passes that some writer will just "forget" that any of this ever happened, or c) the next retcon rolls around.
DK
What I think will happen is, the registration will backfire at some point. Either some hacker will get into the database and publish it online for the world to see, or some technological villain will gain access to it and cause havoc for people who are registered. Maybe something akin to a Scourge that takes out heroes instead of villains. Then Stark and all the other pro-reg heroes will come off looking like idiots. I just hope its after Cap is back so he can do an `I told you so', then slap the taste out of Stark's mouth (figuratively, that is).
I just don't get Tony Stark. I mean...sigh. I really, really like Iron Man. But this whole thing has me baffled. I hope it's just a HUGE ruse in the end.
Quote from: crimsonquill on March 16, 2007, 04:53:35 AM
Quote from: Urthman on March 16, 2007, 12:14:28 AM
Captain America isn't like a Green Lantern or a Flash. His "power" isn't really the Super Soldier serum and/or the indestructible shield. The essence of the character is that he's Steve Rogers, a man who inspires respect and confidence in everyone he meets. He's the one mortal that Greek and Norse gods will gladly follow into battle. His skill, courage, competence, and moral character are legendary.
Uhm, yes and no... Steve Rogers didn't reveal who he was until just a few years ago. Captain America already once had been replaced with John Walker and nobody realized the difference until he started going crazy after his parents were shot and The Captain popped up elsewhere to do crimefighting. And I believe 5 different people have worn the uniform over the lifetime of the character but he was still just as respected and loved because no matter what happened to Captain America he kept on fighting like the legend he was.
I don't mean that everyone knew Captain America = Steve Rogers. I mean that while other guys have worn the costume and held the shield, it's Steve Rogers that has the amazing charisma that makes him such an inspiring leader. When the heroes were squabbling during the original Secret Wars about who to lead them, you can bet Thor wouldn't have vouched for Captain America if it had been John Walker in the uniform. I can't see Hercules having the same loyalty to Sharon Carter or Bucky that he does to Steve. Sam Wilson can't give pep talks that (despite or maybe even because of their corniness) make spider-man get a lump in his throat and forget to crack jokes.
Steve Rogers was the guy no other hero could say no to. At least until Tony brainwashed 3/4 of the Marvel Universe. (Hmm...which team is the good guys? Captain America's team or the team with Venom and Bullseye on it?)
I'm just guessing here, but I think what Marvel was trying to accomplish was to create a thought provoking issue. How far do you go to ensure safety and security? What freedoms are you willing to give up to do so? An early issue of CW had an undecided Thing saying that while he didn't like or agree with every law made, he still fought to uphold them because that's how you maintain a stable society. That right there is what I think Marvel was trying to get readers to think about.
Unfortunately, the pro-reg side was written so one-dimensionally and they commited acts and employed people that were so villainous that instead of provoking intelligent reader thought on the issue, it caused vast reader discontent instead. And now Marvel is trying so hard to make it seem like the pro-reg side really wasn't that bad; kind of like trying to put a crashed train back on the tracks and get it to move again (which just makes the portrayals in CW more idiotic than they already were).
Disassembled, House of M, Cicil War all had some good ideas but the execution was sloppy at its best. I think it would be an insanely stupid idea on Marvel's part to permanently kill Steve Rogers, and at first I believed that they would certainly bring him back. Now...I'm not so sure.
DK
Does anybody see the familiarities with Batman:
1- Batman back gets broken he gets a replacement/ Cap is dead they get a replacement
2- The new batman take justice in his own hands & go crazy/ The new cap does the same.
3- Bruce comes back and it's a "fight for the mantle"/ Wanna bet Steve Roger comes back and does the same.
Quote from: JeyNyce on March 25, 2007, 08:30:48 AM
Does anybody see the familiarities with Batman:
1- Batman back gets broken he gets a replacement/ Cap is dead they get a replacement
2- The new batman take justice in his own hands & go crazy/ The new cap does the same.
3- Bruce comes back and it's a "fight for the mantle"/ Wanna bet Steve Roger comes back and does the same.
Hey...that's true. interesting...
maybe the yellow impurity is actually a demon that made him act out of character.
point i'm saying; bad writers make bad things happen. or editors, whatever. then good writers come along, retcon it and make it all better.
interesting challenge: instead of thinking in present terms, what would be a good way to have all this make sense? the aforementioned 'ruse'.
I think he's gonna be gone for quite a few years, probably until the Captain America movie comes out. I think the issue itself was a very well written one, and if anyone was given the task to kill Cap, I'm glad it was Brubracker. On another note, I saw the cover for Captain America #28 and it shows Winter Soldier/Bucky with Cap's shield.
Quote from: The Pwime on March 25, 2007, 09:10:02 AM
Quote from: JeyNyce on March 25, 2007, 08:30:48 AM
Does anybody see the familiarities with Batman:
2- The new batman take justice in his own hands & go crazy/ The new cap does the same.
3- Bruce comes back and it's a "fight for the mantle"/ Wanna bet Steve Roger comes back and does the same.
Hey...that's true. interesting...
They sort of already did that when Mark Gruenwald had Cap quit and be replaced by John Walker, aka USAgent. Walker was too violent as Cap and killed the Watchdogs, who had murdered his parents. They do something like that again, I want to personally slap the taste out of the writer's mouth.
I was thinking the same thing. But not the slapping part. John's fight with Left/Right Winger I thought was fun. The ending was cool.
"Hey, I got my arm free!" Boooom!!!!!
i had a crazy idea,i know its crazy but..
What if Scott Summers-Captain America
He Has the skill needed to throw the shield(knowing angles and such knowing where everyone is in a battle) He has been around a long time,trained alot(In his power but still had H2H)
And a chance to show Mutants can be trusted,this came up with some friends and i and i thought i would throw it out there
Quote from: starlock on March 26, 2007, 04:22:10 AM
i had a crazy idea,i know its crazy but..
What if Scott Summers-Captain America
He Has the skill needed to throw the shield(knowing angles and such knowing where everyone is in a battle) He has been around a long time,trained alot(In his power but still had H2H)
And a chance to show Mutants can be trusted,this came up with some friends and i and i thought i would throw it out there
Won't happen for a lot of reasons.
Mainly it would be so far out of the Captain America concept. Nobody would think "hey, Captain America has optic blasts!" Everybody would think "hey, why is Cyclops carrying Captain America's shield?"
But for the sake of argument, why would Scott bother throwing a shield when he's got optic blasts? It would make more sense for him to hang onto it for protection.
Even assuming he might throw it for some unforeseen reason, aiming a beam by sight and throwing something are two different skills. Scott would have to train long and hard with the shield to do anything like the kinds of tricks that Steve Rogers did.
That is, if we were talking realism. Which is generally in short supply in Marvel's world.
On the other hand, Scott probably comes as close as anyone to Cap's leadership and strategic abilities (at least, he used to... Have to admit, I haven't read X-Men in a long, long time, so I don't know if Scott's still written that way).
Quote from: BlueBard on March 26, 2007, 10:56:42 AM
Quote from: starlock on March 26, 2007, 04:22:10 AM
i had a crazy idea,i know its crazy but..
What if Scott Summers-Captain America
He Has the skill needed to throw the shield(knowing angles and such knowing where everyone is in a battle) He has been around a long time,trained alot(In his power but still had H2H)
And a chance to show Mutants can be trusted,this came up with some friends and i and i thought i would throw it out there
Won't happen for a lot of reasons.
Mainly it would be so far out of the Captain America concept. Nobody would think "hey, Captain America has optic blasts!" Everybody would think "hey, why is Cyclops carrying Captain America's shield?"
But for the sake of argument, why would Scott bother throwing a shield when he's got optic blasts? It would make more sense for him to hang onto it for protection.
Even assuming he might throw it for some unforeseen reason, aiming a beam by sight and throwing something are two different skills. Scott would have to train long and hard with the shield to do anything like the kinds of tricks that Steve Rogers did.
That is, if we were talking realism. Which is generally in short supply in Marvel's world.
I haven't really read comics in eons, especially marvel, but isn't Scott unable to use his powers at the moment?
There have already been four Captain Americas - five, if you could Isaiah Bradley - we don't need another one. And I most definitely don't want to see John Walker back in the costume again. Ever.
There are only two people I'd be willing to accept as the next Captain America, and only as placeholders until Steve is brought back: Sharon Carter (if she wears a female version of the costume (maybe with her hair exposed, ie mask cut off above the A to let her hair flow) and not something like American Dream's which has several changes) or Winter Soldier without carrying any guns.
Quote from: JeyNyce on March 25, 2007, 08:30:48 AM
Does anybody see the familiarities with Batman:
1- Batman back gets broken he gets a replacement/ Cap is dead they get a replacement
2- The new batman take justice in his own hands & go crazy/ The new cap does the same.
3- Bruce comes back and it's a "fight for the mantle"/ Wanna bet Steve Roger comes back and does the same.
The ending to was so horrible I wanted to slap somebody. Comeon....Azbats gets stuck in a hole then comes out and sees the light!!!!!
Quote from: GhostMachine on March 26, 2007, 12:46:24 PM
There are only two people I'd be willing to accept as the next Captain America, and only as placeholders until Steve is brought back: Sharon Carter (if she wears a female version of the costume (maybe with her hair exposed, ie mask cut off above the A to let her hair flow) and not something like American Dream's which has several changes) or Winter Soldier without carrying any guns.
I agree about the placeholder thing. Sharon would be good but I'm more than a little tired of the "put a female in the male's costume" schtick. I'm not so up on Winter Soldier's personality; isn't he a little on the violent side? I also wouldn't mind seeing Isaiah Bradley as Cap though they'd have to de-age him for it to work (which would unfortunately be done in the most ridiculous manner possible).
DK
Quote from: Dweomer Knight on March 27, 2007, 10:46:33 AM
Quote from: GhostMachine on March 26, 2007, 12:46:24 PM
There are only two people I'd be willing to accept as the next Captain America, and only as placeholders until Steve is brought back: Sharon Carter (if she wears a female version of the costume (maybe with her hair exposed, ie mask cut off above the A to let her hair flow) and not something like American Dream's which has several changes) or Winter Soldier without carrying any guns.
I agree about the placeholder thing. Sharon would be good but I'm more than a little tired of the "put a female in the male's costume" schtick. I'm not so up on Winter Soldier's personality; isn't he a little on the violent side? I also wouldn't mind seeing Isaiah Bradley as Cap though they'd have to de-age him for it to work (which would unfortunately be done in the most ridiculous manner possible).
DK
Heck no, do it Dark Knight Returns style. It would be pretty compelling to watch an old and tough Isaiah battle foes and occasionally stop to settle his heart, worried that wounds arent going to heal as nicely as they did when he was young.
Quote from: BlueBard on March 26, 2007, 10:56:42 AM
Quote from: starlock on March 26, 2007, 04:22:10 AM
i had a crazy idea,i know its crazy but..
What if Scott Summers-Captain America
He Has the skill needed to throw the shield(knowing angles and such knowing where everyone is in a battle) He has been around a long time,trained alot(In his power but still had H2H)
And a chance to show Mutants can be trusted,this came up with some friends and i and i thought i would throw it out there
Won't happen for a lot of reasons.
Mainly it would be so far out of the Captain America concept. Nobody would think "hey, Captain America has optic blasts!" Everybody would think "hey, why is Cyclops carrying Captain America's shield?"
But for the sake of argument, why would Scott bother throwing a shield when he's got optic blasts? It would make more sense for him to hang onto it for protection.
Even assuming he might throw it for some unforeseen reason, aiming a beam by sight and throwing something are two different skills. Scott would have to train long and hard with the shield to do anything like the kinds of tricks that Steve Rogers did.
That is, if we were talking realism. Which is generally in short supply in Marvel's world.
In the Astonishing X-Men Cyclops can not use his power
I did mention crazy idea hehe
Who has to know its cyclops?just one idea
And the whole leadership thing,the whole mutants and mutants get along thing
just somthin my friends and i were talking about,i know it wont happen buti think it would be great
And i was thinking,using his optic blast to make the shield do more angles and more force,just thinking crazy
there is/was a mutant that carried the shield. i can't remember which one it was...wasn't nova.
the tk-er. he used his tk the way you are talking about.
Hi Bearded, How are you?
Vance Astro (Vance Asrovik, A.K.A. Justice) carried Cap's shield in the far future (the mutant you mentioned).
Dana