Anybody else Torrent this or youtube it? On a whole, I think last year's opener was more impressive, but a good start. Won't spoil anything for anybody, but the last two minutes of the episode made me sqeee.
i watch it in the uk, and from what i've seen you either love donna or hate her, there seems to be very little grey area
I actually have watched some episodes of her show on BBC America, and I find her funny. So I guess you can put me in the "me likey" catagory.
I thought Donna was improved from her Xmas special appearance, she wasn't nearly so much of a screaming banshee. Still, I preferred last season's opener, with Space-Rhinos on the Moon.
I quite enjoyed it. Been following Doctor Who since um... I was a kid (seen every episode, and PBS ran through them all from Hartnell to McCoy at least twice). Seen every episode of NuWho (including Partners in Crim), Torchwood (just finished season 2) and even the Sarah Jane Adventures (season 2 is due to start this month). I like Donna's character. I know a lot of fans despise Catherine Tate, but most of them are bitter of Russell Davies "gay agenda" and the fact the show is mainstream and not their nerdy little secret. It will be nice to see a season which is a bit more light hearted, and yes the last moments were squee worthy.
Quote from: Kommando on April 07, 2008, 01:41:29 PM
I quite enjoyed it. Been following Doctor Who since um... I was a kid (seen every episode, and PBS ran through them all from Hartnell to McCoy at least twice). Seen every episode of NuWho (including Partners in Crim), Torchwood (just finished season 2) and even the Sarah Jane Adventures (season 2 is due to start this month). I like Donna's character. I know a lot of fans despise Catherine Tate, but most of them are bitter of Russell Davies "gay agenda" and the fact the show is mainstream and not their nerdy little secret. It will be nice to see a season which is a bit more light hearted, and yes the last moments were squee worthy.
i dont think he has a "gay agenda" but he is pushing it on torchwood, most of the adult aspects are just thrown in for the sake of it
I was a little bit disappointed, but I've been waiting (im)patiently for this since Dec. 26, so it's probable that my expectations were too high.
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a) Too many near misses in the beginning- to the point where it strained credibility.
b) David tends to mistake mumbling for being emotional. I had to download CC files to get what he was saying in the closet, and later in the alley when he was talking about his past companions.
c) It just seemed...unnecessary. The world knows about spaceships and aliens now. Given that a) the process doesn't appear to hurt, b) the process seemed to have no ill effects unless total conversion was initiated and c)how dang cute the little fat babies were; why go to the trouble of doing it undercover? Announce it, publicize it - and I'm sure you'd get a million volunteers. Heck, I'd do it.
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There were plenty of good bits, but after the A+ that was "Smith and Jones", this solid B was a bit of a downer.
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Oh, and I'm more pro Martha than pro Rose, but the Rose bit didn't bother me in the slightest; other than wondering how she got there and how she faded away, of course.(ADHD moment: If Rose is in an alternative universe, should there not be an alternate Doctor IN that Universe, and shouldn't Rose be looking for him instead of "our" Doctor?)[/spoiler]
There's far more to that little fade in then we're led to believe, I'm sure.
And Im of the opinion that every once in awhile a Dr. Who ep needs to be absurd to avoid making it all tense all the time. This was nice and light. After the Depressing as hell Xmas special, I really enjoyed it.
Quote from: Kommando on April 07, 2008, 01:41:29 PM
I quite enjoyed it. Been following Doctor Who since um... I was a kid (seen every episode, and PBS ran through them all from Hartnell to McCoy at least twice). Seen every episode of NuWho (including Partners in Crim), Torchwood (just finished season 2) and even the Sarah Jane Adventures (season 2 is due to start this month). I like Donna's character. I know a lot of fans despise Catherine Tate, but most of them are bitter of Russell Davies "gay agenda" and the fact the show is mainstream and not their nerdy little secret. It will be nice to see a season which is a bit more light hearted, and yes the last moments were squee worthy.
I've got to ask: have you seriously seen every episode of Dr. Who? Even the ones that don't exist anymore? Because that's a freakin' lot of episodes!
I can safely say that I've watched just about Every Dr. Who episode from Pertwee onward. PBS used to run them back in the 80's as like movie of the weeks, with each story arc (4 or 5 episodes) in one sitting.
Ok, so what Doctor is your favorite?
Quote from: Talavar on April 08, 2008, 12:26:00 PM
Quote from: Kommando on April 07, 2008, 01:41:29 PM
I quite enjoyed it. Been following Doctor Who since um... I was a kid (seen every episode, and PBS ran through them all from Hartnell to McCoy at least twice). Seen every episode of NuWho (including Partners in Crim), Torchwood (just finished season 2) and even the Sarah Jane Adventures (season 2 is due to start this month). I like Donna's character. I know a lot of fans despise Catherine Tate, but most of them are bitter of Russell Davies "gay agenda" and the fact the show is mainstream and not their nerdy little secret. It will be nice to see a season which is a bit more light hearted, and yes the last moments were squee worthy.
I've got to ask: have you seriously seen every episode of Dr. Who? Even the ones that don't exist anymore? Because that's a freakin' lot of episodes!
Well, I am slowly working through as much of the missing content as I can, depending on which episodes have audio which can be restored through animation. But yeah, of the existing episodes, I have seen the run of Hartnel and Troughton twice. Pertwee through McCoy about 3 times. And I know I've seen the Baker run at least 4 times.
I think my favoritism is jaded by my childhood. I enjoyed Perwtee immensely, but Im always going to lean to Tom Baker because he was the very first doctor I was introduced to. Now, Peter Davidson's version - the more vulnerable and less omnicient Doctor also appealed to me on a different level. I didn't like Colin Baker, and Sylvester McCoy never had a chance to rub off on me. Baker (Tom) did have this quality of being all to human and then instantly alien seeming in another moment. Plus, I had a huge crush on the second Romana. HUGE.
Quote from: Talavar on April 08, 2008, 12:26:00 PMI've got to ask: have you seriously seen every episode of Dr. Who? Even the ones that don't exist anymore? Because that's a freakin' lot of episodes!
Quote from: B A D on April 08, 2008, 12:30:24 PM
I can safely say that I've watched just about Every Dr. Who episode from Pertwee onward. PBS used to run them back in the 80's as like movie of the weeks, with each story arc (4 or 5 episodes) in one sitting.
Ditto for the PBS gold. I've seen everything from Pertwee through Peter David, most (if not all) of Colin Baker, but I think I've missed some of the later McCoy stuff. And of course, all of the new series. I've seen some of the old Hartnell and Troughton stuff, but, to be honest, what I did see didn't grab me at all.....perhaps the storylines were still being aimed at a younger group back then, and was also a simpler time. I have, however, seen one "lost" episode, where they showed everything they were able to cobble together of it, and in the missing bits, Tom Baker (it was one from his run) would explain from the script what was supposed to be happening. I can't remember if it was the episode that was shot during the strike in the UK, that they ended up just using a (Venice?) canal scene from in The Five Doctors, or some other, lost episode.
Quote from: bredon7777 on April 08, 2008, 06:09:02 PM
Ok, so what Doctor is your favorite?
Tom Baker, John Pertwee, Sylvester McCoy, in order. And it's still a close call between them.
The Fires of Pompeii aired this past weekend, and I thought it was an improvement over the opener, but still not a great episode - good, but not great.
[spoiler]
The Doctor & Donna get forced into making a hard decision, surprisingly easy to kill rock-lava monsters try to take over the world, and we get some weird prophesizing about the Doctor. Also, the ongoing plot of the season so far seems to involve planets getting destroyed (the fat-babies' nursery planet, and the rock/lava monsters' planet)
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Also, mod's - could we get a thread name change to just Doctor Who - Season 4?
Dude, its totally my thread. Im changing it to Doctor who's Season four gubmotron fiesta. nyah,.
I think ep 2 was a little heavy on the forshadowing for my taste. Obviously something screwy is going on with all the planets going splody.
Has anybody noticed what the easter eggs are in the first two episodes? I mean, each series/season had a theme throughout (like Bad Wolf in S1, Torchwood in S2, Saxon in S3, etc...). I have yet to pick up on any theme as yet.
Dana
I have not, but Bad Wolf and Mr. Saxon didn't appear (IIRC) until ep 3 or so...
its all about the bees, the latest rumours are that the whole bees thing is linked einstein saying that if the bee disappear then mankind would die out in 4 years. the fact that the doctor actually stopped to acknowledge it does give it a bit more weight
it's all linked to the big D's return
Quote from: B A D on April 15, 2008, 09:07:01 AM
I have not, but Bad Wolf and Mr. Saxon didn't appear (IIRC) until ep 3 or so...
The Bad Wolf referrence actually appeared first in episode 2 (The End of The World) of series/season One (the Moxx of Balhoun mentions the "Bad Wolf Scenario" in conversation to the Face of Boe) and Saxon's name first appeared in the Christmas Special before series/season Three.
Dana
:spoiler:
So either "planets being destroyed" or "bees" or something else is the theme for the season?
Bad Wolf was the Tardis in Series/Season 1 and it left it's mark throughout time and space as a message to Rose, as revealed in the last two episodes of the season.
Torchwood was the running theme for Series/Season 2 (but it was first mentioned in episode 11 of Series/Season One and in "The Christmas Invasion" Xmas special before season 2) and they appeared at the end of the season as enemies to the Doctor (they were originally set up by Queen Victoria after her encounter with the Doctor and the Werewolf at the Torchwood estate in Scotland).
Saxon was the theme of Series/Season 3 (and the Christmas special before it, apparently the name first appeared in season 2 as a newspaper headline in "Love and Montsers") and he appeared at the end of the season, another alias of the Master.
I may have to watch the Christmas special (with Kylie) to see if there is any hint of an easter egg...And then I might have to watch the first two DW episodes again. I'm very curious to find out.
Dana
I watched Voyage of the Damned on Sci-Fi earlier, and geez was it depressing!
As a fan of a few British comedies that have aired on public television in the past, I was amused by the casting of the actor who played Lionel on As Time Goes By as the ship's captain and the actor who played Richard on Keeping Up Appearances as the tour guide\historian.
Wasn't too thrilled that
[spoiler]The rich jerk not only survived but apparently got richer. I hope we see him again in another episode and he gets his comeuppance.[/spoiler]
Quote from: cmdrkoenig67 on April 17, 2008, 01:37:03 AM
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I may have to watch the Christmas special (with Kylie) to see if there is any hint of an easter egg...And then I might have to watch the first two DW episodes again. I'm very curious to find out.
Dana
[spoiler]Venus has been mentioned in both episodes so far, and so has the Shadow Proclamation.[/spoiler]
I'm not sure if it's unique to Season 4(seems like I heard it before the volcano peeps mentioned it)... [spoiler]there's been some mention of planets suddenly being gone for as of yet unexplained reasons. I don't know enough about this season's villains (got into it late) to know if it's them or something else, so I'll rely on the other who-buffs to let me know.[/spoiler]
Why do people think bees disappearing is tied into this season's overarching plot? It was mentioned once, in a sentence where Donna mentioned a bunch of odd or unusual things, and it's a real world phenomenom. Has it been mentioned in interviews or something?
Planet of the Ood aired this weekend, and I guess I've got to join the bee-bandwagon - their disappearance gets another reference here.
Overall I thought this week's was a solid episode, but not a great one, again. It was nice to see the Ood slavery plot thread from the Satan Pit episode get picked up here.
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And next week, Martha Jones is back.
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After the serious misfire that was Planet of the Ood, Dr. Who is back on its A game with The Sontaran Strategem/The Poisoned Sky.
A solid plot, incredible acting, and some great dialogue (most notably a shout out to one of Season one's best episodes that bout had me fall off my chair laughing)
The end was a little weak:
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The Doctor should've darn well known that the Sontarans would rather die than lose. And the twist with Rattigan was far too easy to predict/ [/spoiler]
I am now more firmly than ever in the "I love Donna" camp; which frankly shocks me because I hated her guts for about 99% of The Runaway Bride. Not to mention how much I adore her grandfather. And her reaction at the end of the episode was absolutely priceless.
Unlike Rose and Martha, [spoiler] I am going to be very sad to see her leave at the end of the season. Especially since my hunch is that the real Donna is going to die, and the Doctor is going to send a clone back to her grandfather and mother [/spoiler]
Shadow Proclamation and/or Medusa Cascade have been getting repeated mentions, but I think Rose wins the "season theme" award.
Oh, and next week's promo made me go WTH? But in a good way!
The Pompei episode was a lot better than the Adipose episode.
Regarding Donna, I'll say what I said in a thread over in the Doctor Who section of Byrne Robotics: I never got to see "The Runaway Bride", but Donna wasn't as irritating in the Pompei episode as she was in the Adipose one. I don't hate or dislike Donna, but I don't like her, either. I'm indifferent.
I don't think we'll be so lucky this season, but I'd like a Cyberman and Dalek-free season 5. I'm probably more likely to get a Cybermen-free season than a Dalek-free one due to the fact the BBC had to pay Terry Nation's estate a (pardon the pun, since this is the UK we're talking about) king's ransom for the rights to use them in this series in the first place and they'll probably milk them for all they're worth before the deal runs out.
The fact that the Borg from Star Trek (who are an outright rip-off of the Cybermen) make the Cybermen look like pikers doesn't help, and they really could use a radical re-design if they're used again and not the alternate universe version of them.
2 things about the Pompeii Episode:1) I much prefer Donna over Martha. She's funnier, much more reactive, and not under the Doctor's heel like some love sick puppy. The Doctor needs someone who's going to punch him in the Jimmies once in a while.2) The prophecy "She is Returning" is supossed to make us think that its directed at Rose. I don't . I believe thats a bit of misdirection and that [spoiler] its the Ranni, not Rose thats' returning. Im not even sure that we saw Rose at all in the first Ep now. [/spoiler]
Sorry BAD
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I've seen way too many spoilers for the final 3 episodes. It's Rose, all right [/spoiler]
GM:
I thought the Adipose one was better than the Pompeii one, but not by a lot (though both were MILES above PotO); I will admit that that may just be due to how cute the little Adipose babies were.
Since season 5 doesn't come out till 2010, it'll be a while before we see if you get your wish. I can tell you this, though [spoiler]
Redesigned cybermen show up in the 08 Christmas day special [/spoiler]. Take it for what its worth.
Quote from: B A D on May 04, 2008, 05:07:17 AM
2 things about the Pompeii Episode:1) I much prefer Donna over Martha. She's funnier, much more reactive, and not under the Doctor's heel like some love sick puppy. The Doctor needs someone who's going to punch him in the Jimmies once in a while.2) The prophecy "She is Returning" is supossed to make us think that its directed at Rose. I don't . I believe thats a bit of misdirection and that [spoiler] its the Ranni, not Rose thats' returning. Im not even sure that we saw Rose at all in the first Ep now. [/spoiler]
[spoiler]Ranni who?[/spoiler]
Quote from: B A D on May 04, 2008, 05:07:17 AM
2 things about the Pompeii Episode:1) I much prefer Donna over Martha. She's funnier, much more reactive, and not under the Doctor's heel like some love sick puppy. The Doctor needs someone who's going to punch him in the Jimmies once in a while.2) The prophecy "She is Returning" is supossed to make us think that its directed at Rose. I don't . I believe thats a bit of misdirection and that [spoiler] its the Ranni, not Rose thats' returning. Im not even sure that we saw Rose at all in the first Ep now. [/spoiler]
yep as bredon says sorry
[spoiler] the big bad this season is everyone's favourite half and half davros[/spoiler]
Well, since its not her, its not a Spoiler. The Ranni is another time lord. Think the Master with boobies.
QuoteThink the Master with boobies.
I'd much rather not, thank you very much for introducing that image.
Quote from: B A D on May 04, 2008, 02:41:56 PM
Well, since its not her, its not a Spoiler. The Ranni is another time lord. Think the Master with boobies.
They're Etheric Beam Locators. :p
Wow, that was BAD. Just downright awful. :( :( :(
And I had such high hopes when I heard the Doctor was going to meet Agatha Christie (my all time favorite writer) this season.
What a letdown. :(
I think you're running on BBC time, Bred. I just saw the first parter to the Sontaran Invasion and Martha returning and I couldn't be happier with it. Especially Russ. "Come on now. We like Russ." Completely reminded me of old Sergeant Benton.
Hrm, don't know how everyone else is getting them, but yeah I get them around 7- 8 pm (our time) on the day they air in Britan. I normally dont watch them till the next day, but I made an exception and stayed up till 230 to watch this one, and it was such rubbish I really wished I hadn't. Rubbish with a few clever bits, mind you, but rubbish nevertheless.
Still, I thought that he meets Agatha Christie was pretty well known, so I didn't spoiler it. Apologies.
Haven't seen "The Poisoned Sky" or "The Doctor's Daughter" yet?..you're in for a treat then. The Sontaran 2 parter and "The Doctor's Daughter" are the best episodes so far this season.
Season rankings:
"The Doctor's Daughter"
"The Sontaran Strategem/The Poisoned Sky"
"Partners in Crime"
"The Fires of Pompeii"
" The Wasp and the Unicorn"
"Planet of the Ood"
Now that's how you do a Doctor Who episode! Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead were the first episodes of this season that are actually good, rather than just "okay." Hope this bodes well for Stephen Moffat taking over as show-runner, since he penned these episodes.
You're a little harsher than I am, Talavar- I thought The Sontaran Strategem/The Poisoned Sky and The Doctors Daughter were pretty good.
Not as good as Silence of the Library/Forest of the Dead(Which in and of themselves were not as good as Blink)- this two parter is easily the best of the season to date.
I cannot wait till Moffat takes over in 2010!
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I am a huge sucker for confrontation scenes like the one in the puter core. "I am the Doctor, and you're standing inside the biggest library in history. Look. Me. Up." [/spoiler]
For anyone who doesn't know, the cool thing about "The Doctor's Daughter" is that the actress playing Jenny really IS a Doctor's daughter; her father is Peter Davison, the Fifth Doctor. :ph34r: :blink: :thumbup:
Quote from: GhostMachine on June 08, 2008, 03:04:30 PM
For anyone who doesn't know, the cool thing about "The Doctor's Daughter" is that the actress playing Jenny really IS a Doctor's daughter; her father is Peter Davison, the Fifth Doctor. :ph34r: :blink: :thumbup:
An added bonus on top of being extremely cute. And blonde. :)
Quote from: bredon7777 on June 08, 2008, 03:38:10 PM
Quote from: GhostMachine on June 08, 2008, 03:04:30 PM
For anyone who doesn't know, the cool thing about "The Doctor's Daughter" is that the actress playing Jenny really IS a Doctor's daughter; her father is Peter Davison, the Fifth Doctor. :ph34r: :blink: :thumbup:
An added bonus on top of being extremely cute. And blonde. :)
You missed the other half of her lineage. Her mother is Sandra Dickenson, who played Trillian in Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy. Also, she is currently dating David Tennant (http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/entertainment/entertainment-news/2008/06/03/dr-who-star-david-tennant-dates-his-tv-daughter-86908-20593385/).
Quote from: Kommando on June 08, 2008, 05:05:36 PM
Quote from: bredon7777 on June 08, 2008, 03:38:10 PM
Quote from: GhostMachine on June 08, 2008, 03:04:30 PM
For anyone who doesn't know, the cool thing about "The Doctor's Daughter" is that the actress playing Jenny really IS a Doctor's daughter; her father is Peter Davison, the Fifth Doctor. :ph34r: :blink: :thumbup:
An added bonus on top of being extremely cute. And blonde. :)
You missed the other half of her lineage. Her mother is Sandra Dickenson, who played Trillian in Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy. Also, she is currently dating David Tennant (http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/entertainment/entertainment-news/2008/06/03/dr-who-star-david-tennant-dates-his-tv-daughter-86908-20593385/).
Heh. He used to date Sophia Myles (Reinette from "The girl in the fireplace"). The man does have a soft spot for pretty blondes.
That said, and not to threadjack but I thought the original Trillian was awful. Zooey Deschanel did a much better job- one of the few things the movie did better than the tv version.
David Tennant is the man. And he would be moronic to leave the Doctor at the height of his popularity. Quick, somebody make him read David Caruso's bio .
Calm down. The man is committed through 2010, making him one of the longer Doctors to stay in the role, assuming he leaves at the end of the '10 season.
But he said in an offhanded comment 3 years ago that he wanted to beat Tom Baker's run! Im holding him to it!
do not open this unless you want the series spoiled i, repeat do not open this unless you want the series spoiled
[spoiler](http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c185/the_ultimate_evil/NewDavros.jpg)[/spoiler]
That's been rumored for a while, so I'm not surprised.
Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on June 10, 2008, 11:17:03 AM
do not open this unless you want the series spoiled i, repeat do not open this unless you want the series spoiled
[spoiler](http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c185/the_ultimate_evil/NewDavros.jpg)[/spoiler]
One little problem with that:
[spoiler]Last time Davros was seen, he was reduced to just a head in a Dalekanium casing. So is this Davros from a point in time before his last appearance, an alternate universe, or what?[/spoiler]
Quote from: GhostMachine on June 10, 2008, 05:07:32 PM
Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on June 10, 2008, 11:17:03 AM
do not open this unless you want the series spoiled i, repeat do not open this unless you want the series spoiled
[spoiler](http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c185/the_ultimate_evil/NewDavros.jpg)[/spoiler]
One little problem with that:
[spoiler]Last time Davros was seen, he was reduced to just a head in a Dalekanium casing. So is this Davros from a point in time before his last appearance, an alternate universe, or what?[/spoiler]
[spoiler]I think it may have to do with Dalek Caan, last of the Cult of Skaro, pulling Davros from another point in history. If some of the weirder rumors are true, then its possible that Harriet Jones (former British Prime Minister) may be complicit in the creation of the new Dalek race, and its been said that she appears within the casing of a red dalek.[/spoiler]
Yar, there are all kinds of floaty rumours out there regarding How Rose and Company go back and forth, the Medusa Cascade, and the predictions recieved by Donna and the Doctor in the Pompeii episode. One in particular was so detailed, its either serial killer fan fiction or the real deal.
Quote from: B A D on June 11, 2008, 08:08:09 AM
Yar, there are all kinds of floaty rumours out there regarding How Rose and Company go back and forth, the Medusa Cascade, and the predictions recieved by Donna and the Doctor in the Pompeii episode. One in particular was so detailed, its either serial killer fan fiction or the real deal.
The rumor I've heard the most is...
[spoiler]They're bringing Gallifrey and the other Time Lords back
And is anyone else sick of the Daleks and hope they don't use them at all next season? (Which will be specials instead of a regular season, since Tennant will be doing Shakespeare on stage)[/spoiler]
Episode 10, Midnight while technically well done, is the most bleak and depressing thing I have EVER seen come out of Dr. Who; and it portrays human beings in the worst possible light I have ever seen on this show.
You have been warned. Now, I have to find a bar and start drinking myself to death.
Next episode is supposed to heavily feature Rose. In fact, the Doctor will barely be in it at all, just Rose and Donna.
Quote from: bredon7777 on June 15, 2008, 06:46:37 AM
Episode 10, Midnight while technically well done, is the most bleak and depressing thing I have EVER seen come out of Dr. Who; and it portrays human beings in the worst possible light I have ever seen on this show.
You have been warned. Now, I have to find a bar and start drinking myself to death.
Midnight was a brilliant episode. That makes the last 3 aired the best of the season so far. And before you judge humans too harshly...
[spoiler]
It was a human who sacrificed herself to save the Doctor, after all.
[/spoiler]
whee (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/tv/article1299482.ece)
I should add the Kommando's link does contain spoilers. Serious spoilers.
Quote from: Talavar on June 17, 2008, 08:29:00 AM
Quote from: bredon7777 on June 15, 2008, 06:46:37 AM
Episode 10, Midnight while technically well done, is the most bleak and depressing thing I have EVER seen come out of Dr. Who; and it portrays human beings in the worst possible light I have ever seen on this show.
You have been warned. Now, I have to find a bar and start drinking myself to death.
Midnight was a brilliant episode. That makes the last 3 aired the best of the season so far. And before you judge humans too harshly...
[spoiler]
It was a human who sacrificed herself to save the Doctor, after all.
[/spoiler]
*sneaking in a comment before the trip*
See, that's my main problem with Midnight- I'm generally already convinced that most humans will act crappily in a crisis. I watch Dr. Who to see the Doctor convince humans that they are BETTER than that, not to see that view validated.
We pretty much all expected to see Davros Again. Im a bit dissapointed that the Daleks are going to be the evil bad guy for the season finale 3 out of 4 years.
[spoiler]I agree with you there. Even if they want to milk the currently agreement for the rights to the Daleks for all it's worth, they don't have to make them the season ender nearly every time.
I wouldn't mind seeing a new threat be the major baddies for a change. Maybe a new group that starts to fill the void left by the Time Lords to become the new masters of time and space--but be a far more aggressive and dangerous group.
It will still be interesting, I'm sure, but I do hope next full season is something different.[/spoiler]
EDIT: Sorry. Spoilertagified now.
Some spoiler tags would have been appreciated there.
Spoiler pics from the finale (http://blogtorwho.blogspot.com/2008/06/stolen-earth-promo-pics.html)
:spoiler: Trailers (http://planetgallifrey.blogspot.com/2008/06/tv-trailer.html) :spoiler:
Holy...frak. That is just so filled with win its not funny.
The voice of Davros is just PERFECT. It so reminds me of the Genesis of the Daleks .
Ok, since I can't stop myself from doing anything, I skipped two episodes and u tubed "Turn Left."
WHOA.
That is probably the best episode of Doctor Who ever, and the Doctor wasn't in it.
Best line :
[spoiler]He had great hair. I mean really great hair. [/spoiler]
Turn Left was pretty good, though I preferred the last 3 episodes to it. I guess this makes up for last week's, which was almost Doctor-only, by barely having him in it at all. Still, the second half of this season has been far stronger than the first - let's hope the last 2-parter ends us on a high note!
They actually filmed the last two episodes at the same time, taking advantage of having each one only have one of the two characters.
This clip is from " The Stolen Earth " and contains MASSIVE spoilers about the finale. DO NOT watch it if you want to be suprised.
http://blogtorwho.blogspot.com/2008/06/stolen-earth-preview-clip.html
I've already posted this in the comics thread, but this might apply here as well.
http://www.shipsinker.com/wordpress/2007/03/10/a-doctor-who-comic-the-10-doctors (http://www.shipsinker.com/wordpress/2007/03/10/a-doctor-who-comic-the-10-doctors)
Anyone heard of this webcomic called "The Ten Doctors"? It's a Doctor Who webcomic that's actually quite good, and as the name implies, it involves all 10 Doctors seen thus far. There's also many references to both the old show and the new show. You also have many characters besides the Doctors, which include both the popular and the obscure. If you're a Doctor Who fan, you should check it out as it's quite excellent, but people who haven't seen a lot of the show would be advised to stay away, as they wouldn't really know what's going on. Also, an entry will sometimes be that of a different webcomic instead, so just skip those.
Here's an article. http://forbiddenplanet.co.uk/blog/?p=8024 (http://forbiddenplanet.co.uk/blog/?p=8024)
Here's a full-color poster, showcasing all 10 doctors.
http://www.shipsinker.com/wordpress/2007/09/08/the-10-doctors-poster/ (http://www.shipsinker.com/wordpress/2007/09/08/the-10-doctors-poster/)
oooooooo kkkkkkkkkk.....
Just watched "The Stolen Earth."
That was just filled with so much squee that they had to import extra Squee from Squeeville to get that much squee into...nevermind.
So much packed into one episode.
AND THE ENDING!!! IT CANT BE!!
i must admit while watching it though ha bads gonna have a heart attack
Right, I know this now. I shouldn't have watched it last Saturday. I have been obsessing all week over what's going to happen in the next/last episode of the season.
In my opinion, Wilfred Mott aka Donna's Grandad should be the Doctor's permanent companion.
[spoiler]
"It's gone dark... it's them aliens again, I'll bet my pension. What do you want this time, you green swine?! You get back inside, Sylvia, they always want the women!"
[/spoiler]
Wilf is Win, just spelled wrong.
Now was that a season ender, or was that a season ender?
Watched both parts of the season finale on Veoh.
It was pretty good, except for a couple of things:
Regarding the cliffhanger at the end of the first part, I sort of figured what was going to happen:
[spoiler]I figured the severed hand would save him from regenerating somehow, but I didn't figure on it growing into a human Doctor thanks to Donna! Glad they gave Rose a (sort of) happy ending.[/spoiler]
Not too thrilled about this year's Christmas Special, because:
[spoiler]Cybermen!!! Geez, the writers have really painted themselves into a corner, because the Daleks shouldn't be used again for a long time (I'm talking a few years at least), and the Master is dead, leaving the Cybermen as the Doctor's only major enemies who are still around (the Sontarans are a joke and pretty much always have been). Couldn't they come up with a new threat or bring back another alien race from the old series and build them up as powerful nasties?[/spoiler]
Ok, who the @#$#@$@ let Michael Bay direct the finale?
I dunno. Im not liking the way it ended at all. That bit with Rose at the end I could have read on a message board Fanfic someplace. After all that set up, Im dissapointed. There were some REALLY good parts, and parts I cringed at.
Quote from: B A D on July 06, 2008, 06:43:45 AM
Ok, who the @#$#@$@ let Michael Bay direct the finale?
I dunno. Im not liking the way it ended at all. That bit with Rose at the end I could have read on a message board Fanfic someplace. After all that set up, Im dissapointed. There were some REALLY good parts, and parts I cringed at.
Agreed, which to me was a shame, what with the buildup (which, admittedly, wasn't spectacular, but was still better than most) Come on! [spoiler]"I have all his memories, am basically him but human now, but somehow I still regressed to lesser personality traits, even though I've gone through the exact same tribulations with Rose as the real one, and yet still need Rose to teach me everything I already know?" Just so Rose can have a happier ending than before, which was still a pretty damn happy ending?? WHAT?![/spoiler]
I dunno, I mean, it feels very much like the producers are fanbaiting now, especially with episodes like Silence in The Library. Just come out and say it! Sheesh.
The whole series has been hit and miss with me, and it feels more and more like The Doctor is now the Deus Ex Machina to end all Deus Ex Machinas. I mean, seriously, what kind of technobabble gobbledegook came out of Donnas mouth? I know its almost always been that way, but in previous series its always felt like, I dunno, like The Doctor was an adventurer who was actually in danger sometimes, but now...well, now its like "Oh, he'll get out of it and destroy an
ENTIRE RACE for the freaking
THIRD TIME. He always does!" That...that's just boring :(
i enjoyed it though i did think when rose ended up with the clone doc, i thought for god sake the fangirls have won
and seriously its a shame to get rid of donna that way, i don't see how anyone can say she isn't the best companion of the new show, its would have been interesting to see the doctor/donna character have a bit more time to develop. the part with her spouting doctor esq lines was superb and i don't like tates comedy
The finales have never been my favourite episodes of New Who; I liked parts of this episode quite a bit, and other parts very little. As a whole, I'd say it was better than last year's finale. I'm just glad David Tennant is sticking around - there's a new showrunner now, the writer of most of my favourite New Who episodes.
Agreed. Mr. Moffat writes awesome Who.
i knew it was coming yet i still felt ripped off when the regeneration went south, i know they needed a cliffhanger but seriously thats the one thing that shouldn't have been messed with
i mean now all we have to do is when 10 actually regenerates right away cut off 11's arm and keep it stored away just in case
Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on July 06, 2008, 03:14:37 PM
i enjoyed it though i did think when rose ended up with the clone doc, i thought for god sake the fangirls have won
and seriously its a shame to get rid of donna that way, i don't see how anyone can say she isn't the best companion of the new show, its would have been interesting to see the doctor/donna character have a bit more time to develop. the part with her spouting doctor esq lines was superb and i don't like tates comedy
I agree with UE...I hated Rose's new ending.... :spoiler:
As mean as it may sound...I had hoped Rose would die. I never liked the idea of the Doctor falling in love with her...They are a terrible, terrible fit...It's like matching Albert Einstein with the village idiot. I really don't see what he would see in her.
I loved the DoctorDonna...CT was hilarious...I really enjoyed the crazy fun parts of the episode, but I hated the fanwank parts (a separate Doctor for Rose?...ugh!). Donna was a great companion, she had loads of fun traveling with the Doctor, had that sense of wonder and amazement that I like to see and she gave him lip, kept him in line...It's really too bad she was effectively/metaphorically killed off.
I also agree with Seven...The Doctor "exterminates" the Dalek race...Again?...It's gone past ridiculous.
Dana
Quote from: Talavar on July 07, 2008, 08:27:37 AM
The finales have never been my favourite episodes of New Who; I liked parts of this episode quite a bit, and other parts very little. As a whole, I'd say it was better than last year's finale. I'm just glad David Tennant is sticking around - there's a new showrunner now, the writer of most of my favourite New Who episodes.
Isn't RTD still Exec Producer until 2010, though?
Dana
I have to admit I'm sad Tate is gone and I really love the idea of Doctor Donna.
The Rose bits annoyed me. I was just not fond of the character especially getting her happy ending.
I was sad there wasn't more Martha and Jack. I love these two but I'm glad they walked off together and Mickey tagged along.
I'm interested to find out who Ten's new companion will be. I really hope she isn't as mouthful and forceful as Donna and not as lovesick as Martha and Rose, maybe it is time for a new male companion.
I don't know... I don't think the idea of Doctor Donna would have worked in the long run. The Doctor works because you play him off against someone (relatively) normal. If both characters on what's essentially a 2-person show acted like that all the time, it'd get old fast.
Quote from: Talavar on July 08, 2008, 03:58:20 PM
I don't know... I don't think the idea of Doctor Donna would have worked in the long run. The Doctor works because you play him off against someone (relatively) normal. If both characters on what's essentially a 2-person show acted like that all the time, it'd get old fast.
Seemed to work ok for team Doctor/Romana/K-9...
Only cause Romana wore that hawt schoogirl hat.
Romana was also smart, but she was a different character. Donna basically had the Doctor's personality and intellect imprinted on her. As a basic story-telling mechanic, there's a reason why Sherlock Holmes was partnered with Watson, rather than his brother. Same principle at work here.
BBC has announced to the uk doc who magazine and shown the first pictures of the doctors new assistant for 2010
[spoiler](http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i290/the_ultimate_evil_2000/006e37t0.jpg)
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i290/the_ultimate_evil_2000/david-tennant-7242.jpg)[/spoiler]
Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on July 29, 2008, 11:43:04 AM
BBC has announced to the uk doc who magazine and shown the first pictures of the doctors new assistant for 2010
[spoiler](http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i290/the_ultimate_evil_2000/006e37t0.jpg)
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i290/the_ultimate_evil_2000/david-tennant-7242.jpg)[/spoiler]
[spoiler]Sure that isn't actually Tennant in drag?[/spoiler]
I'm guessing this is a joke. It is, right? :huh:
That is a joke. Those photos are of Tennant appearing in some other weird show.
you guys thought i was serious
Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on July 29, 2008, 12:49:17 PM
you guys thought i was serious
This isn't the Changing Name forum. ;)
Yes . Most of us are emotionally scarred by your henious act.
I dunno, maybe their trying to appeal to the Jack Harkness fans. Ten-Inch looks Hawt! :wub:
the photos are from a uk based show called rab c nesbitt
type rab c nesbitt david tennant into google and you'll see the video
It has been confirmed that Tennant will leave after the 4 specials.
Let the speculation on Eleven begin!
Doctor who! I knew about that saga (4th doctor was aired in france long ago) but I only tried the recent 4 saisons recently.
And i'm quite a junkie now :) I'm watching around 2 episodes each day on my Ipod in the subway :D
I even went to the exhibition during that week end during my stay in London.
I'll have to try Torchwood aswell :lol:
umm lets just say torchwood isn't as family friendly as doc who
Quote from: the_ultimate_evil on October 30, 2008, 06:52:26 AM
umm lets just say torchwood isn't as family friendly as doc who
That's what I've heard^^ I'll be cautious.
Too bad to hear that Tennant will leave.
That really, really sucks.
I'm sad now. :(
I was really looking forward to the Stephen Moffat-led season; now I'm not quite so much.
I'm a huge Tennant fan as well - I'm very bummed that he's leaving. :(
Good riddance. I miss Nine anyway Ten always rubbed me the wrong way.
Strange. I really, really loved the Tennant Doctor. I want to know how they'll reconcile this and River.
Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on October 30, 2008, 09:03:15 PM
Strange. I really, really loved the Tennant Doctor. I want to know how they'll reconcile this and River.
We were never going to see River again, frankly; but even if we were, it's easy enough to reconcile. The Doctor gave her a tour of his past lives, or in some other way described his look to her, knowing when he met her that she would need to know what he looked like at the time she met him.
QuoteThe Doctor gave her a tour of his past lives, or in some other way described his look to her, knowing when he met her that she would need to know what he looked like at the time she met him.
Umm, no. They were quite specific that he still looked the same when she knew him, only older. In fact, she doesn't even realize it's his past self at first.
i have been wacthing the good doc on tvcorn.com . its to bad about the ten leaving .
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The Doctor gave her a tour of his past lives, or in some other way described his look to her, knowing when he met her that she would need to know what he looked like at the time she met him.
Umm, no. They were quite specific that he still looked the same when she knew him, only older. In fact, she doesn't even realize it's his past self at first
maybe the did a mindmeld and she's knows wat he looks like nomatter wat. :unsure:
anywho, good show :thumbup:
Quotemaybe the did a mindmeld and she's knows wat he looks like nomatter wat. unsure
Kindly read what I said. She said specifically that when she knew him, he looked exactly the same only older. When she saw him, it wasn't that she recognized a version of him she had known about before, she thought at first that he was exactly the same version from the same timeline after she had already traveled with him. It wasn't until she got closer to him that she realized he was younger then she remembered him ever being.
Tennant is leaving after the specials, not immediately. They could easily reconcile things by....."introducing" her (ie, showing how she first met the Doctor) then leaping ahead in time to when he regenerates.
I've read quite a few suggestions for the possible Eleventh Doctor, and don't care for many of them. If James Nesbitt, who is one of those I've heard mentioned, takes the role I may quit watching - he'd be a much better choice for the Master, if they somehow bring the character back. I've read several suggestions for John Simm to take the role, and I'd be fine with that if he hadn't already played the Master.
My top 2 choices? Hugh Laurie (if the rumors about House MD ending after next season are true, although it would open up room for all sorts of jokes....) or Robert Carlyle.
(Actually, someone brought up the idea that Simm as the Doctor could solve the problem that the Doctor is close to running out of regenerations; the Doctor and the Master switch bodies and the Master dies in the Doctor's body, leaving the Doctor trapped in the Master's body, but with more regenerations since the Master was given a new regeneration cycle; the new Doctor will be the next to last, since the 12th regeneration (what would be 12 into 13) is fatal, but I figure there are other ways to get around that)
Well, a leap forward is only the way I can think of doing it, other than a big cosmic event that either messes up the timeline totally, or perhaps just prematurely ages the Doctor.
Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on November 02, 2008, 06:12:51 PM
Quotemaybe the did a mindmeld and she's knows wat he looks like nomatter wat. unsure
Kindly read what I said. She said specifically that when she knew him, he looked exactly the same only older.
Actually, she didn't. (I was pretty sure you were wrong, since Moffat never struck me as the type of writer to leave a hole like that. Viewing the episode confirmed it, but it took me till today to find an online transcript for verification).
The exact quote is :
Quote from: River Song
OK, shall we do diaries, then? Where are we this time? Uh, going by your face, I'd say it's early days for you.
And the only other mention is:
Quote from: River Song
Nah, but you are. Your eyes. You're younger than I've ever seen you.
Neither one of which comes close to 'Wow. You look exactly the same as when I met you, only older.'.
Which brings us right back to my explanation. When The Doctor gets involved with her, he makes sure to explain to her what his earlier incarnation looks like. And the eyes comment can be easily explained by the fact that when The Doctor meets her, he already knows how and when she's going to die.
See for yourself:
http://who-transcripts.atspace.com/2008/transcripts/408_silenceinthelibrary.html
Quote from: GhostMachine on November 04, 2008, 03:35:10 AM
I've read quite a few suggestions for the possible Eleventh Doctor, and don't care for many of them. If James Nesbitt, who is one of those I've heard mentioned, takes the role I may quit watching - he'd be a much better choice for the Master, if they somehow bring the character back. I've read several suggestions for John Simm to take the role, and I'd be fine with that if he hadn't already played the Master.
I'd have no problem with Nesbitt who was AMAZING in
Jekyll. My personal choice would probably be Paterson Joseph, aka "The Marquis de Carabas"
Quote from: Ghostmachine
(Actually, someone brought up the idea that Simm as the Doctor could solve the problem that the Doctor is close to running out of regenerations; the Doctor and the Master switch bodies and the Master dies in the Doctor's body, leaving the Doctor trapped in the Master's body, but with more regenerations since the Master was given a new regeneration cycle; the new Doctor will be the next to last, since the 12th regeneration (what would be 12 into 13) is fatal, but I figure there are other ways to get around that)
I vaguely recall reading an interview with RTD where he said they were eliminating the regeneration limit- they were going to treat it as if he could regenerate indefinitely; but as I can't find a link, that's just speculation for now.
I still consider that, and the fact that she at first thought he was the same one she knew, a confirmation that I am correct.
tim curry for dr who! (my vote anyways)
or maybe rowan atkinson?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xkZhAtjT8U (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xkZhAtjT8U)
Quote from: catwhowalksbyhimself on November 04, 2008, 10:14:46 AM
I still consider that, and the fact that she at first thought he was the same one she knew, a confirmation that I am correct.
[spoiler]River: "You're doing a very good job, acting like you don't know me. I'm assuming there's a reason."
I'm inclined to agree... she may have known later versions of the Doctor... and even was familiar with how he looked in this one. But she definitely acted as if she thought she knew this one and she expected this one to know her. This expectation wouldn't come with a later regeneration.[/spoiler]
I would like to see that guy who played Rasputin in the 1971 film, Nicholas and Alexandra, take on the role of Doctor Who.
The prevailing rumour at this point is that[spoiler]The Last David Tennant special will Feature River Song meeting the doctor in some way, shape or form. [/spoiler]
Can I get Nine back?
Quote from: AfghanAnt on November 05, 2008, 12:37:23 PM
Can I get Nine back?
I doubt it. I liked both nine and ten, so hopefully eleven will keep the streak alive.
Quote from: bredon7777 on November 04, 2008, 09:37:25 AM
I'd have no problem with Nesbitt who was AMAZING in Jekyll. My personal choice would probably be Paterson Joseph, aka "The Marquis de Carabas"
Paterson's name is popping up quite a bit - I thought he was great in both Jekyll and Neverwhere, so I think he could be a terrific Doctor. (of course, Nesbitt could handle the role very well, too.)
I doubt it.
Moffat will prolly throw us a curve.
I'd love to see someone less than gorgeous but incredibly funnly like Simon Pegg to the role. Bring a bit of the whacky that was #2 to the role. or , somebody older. Moffat has stated he wanted somebody "grandfatherly " to play the Doctor originally. How @#$@#$@#$ cool would it be for Ian Mckellen or Patrick Stewart to pick it up for a few years?
Quote from: B A D on November 06, 2008, 07:51:40 AM
I doubt it.
Moffat will prolly throw us a curve.
I'd love to see someone less than gorgeous but incredibly funnly like Simon Pegg to the role. Bring a bit of the whacky that was #2 to the role. or , somebody older. Moffat has stated he wanted somebody "grandfatherly " to play the Doctor originally. How @#$@#$@#$ cool would it be for Ian Mckellen or Patrick Stewart to pick it up for a few years?
I thought I read recently that they will be keeping in the 30-45 year old range, due to the physical demands of the filming, which is much more exhausting than in the old days.
Your filthy lies do us no good.
Quote from: B A D on November 06, 2008, 07:36:39 PM
Your filthy lies do us no good.
I beg to differ: my filthy lies have benefitted me greatly.
From Outpost Gallifrey:
Presenter Terry Wogan has reported on his radio show that the next Doctor might be announced in this year's Children In Need show. Although nothing has appeared officially to confirm this, Wired suggests that such an announcement would be a good fund-raiser for the event.
I really like this guy: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0048982/
Something I posted at Outpost Gallifrey...
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An Odd Way for John Simm to be the Doctor
I thought of this in another thread where someone suggested an outfit for the Doctor which reminded me of Hannibal Lecter with the Panama hat. Anyhow, we know the Master can transfer his personality into other bodies, effectively taking them over. What if, when he died in Last of the Time Lords, he decided to do the same with the Doctor? Of course the Doctor, having a strong will, would be able to resist a direct attack. So, the Master would have to lay low for a while, biding his time for the Doctor to be in a moment of weakness. A weakness such as a new regeneration, where he becomes Simm. Even then, the Master might only be able to take over the Doctor part of the time, creating a Jekyll/Hyde effect, or maybe even something more akin to Angel Heart with the Doctor chasing after himself trying to undo the damage his other persona caused. The crux would be that only the Master persona would know of the dual life, at least at first. Even more fun could be a few all Master episodes where he gets to run amok and cause chaos. May not be to the liking of other fans, but you have to admit it would give the show that dark edge some people have been yearning for.
Lying in the Gutters is reporting that Paterson Joseph will be the new Doctor Who.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=18930
I've never seen the show but thought you guys would want to know.
I honestly have no idea who he is. He looks a bit like Mickey.
Turns out the Doctor made a sort of guest appearance in a recent book.
I was reading
Brisingr and browsed the author's notes when I saw him admit that he had mentioned the Doctor in a scene I had not read as carefully as I could I did. Here are the relevant passages. There are no spoilers. These are both things one character is absent-mindedlly writing in the dirt.
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Adrift upon the sea of time, the lonely god wanders from shore to distant shore, upholding the laws of the stars above.
QuoteThe trickster, the riddler, the keeper of the balance, he of the many faces who find life in death and who fears no evil; e who walks through doors.
Just found it interesting.
So possibly Paterson Joseph? I haven't heard of him, but a change in skin color may be a very interesting turn for the Doctor....I like it!
I'd love to see John Simm do the part too(very cool Master/Doctor plot there, Kommando)...He had such energy as the Master.
I would also like to see a Doctor who's bit more loopy (like Pat Troughton and Tom Baker were). I can't say I was very fond of Eccleston, but he did a good job...I've really liked Tennant and will be a bit bummed to see him go.
I also like the idea of seeing a more aged/grandfatherly/or at least, fatherly Doctor again...He could have youngish companions to do all the heavy-lifting...LOL.
Dana