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Offline Silver Shocker

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« Reply #30 on: April 25, 2021, 03:10:24 AM »
Indeed, as a corporation they've done stuff I'll remember like I'm a Telltale character (Clementine in the Walking Dead comics EEEEEEE!~) but they put out a LOT of good product, especially lately.

The world has a lot of ups and downs, but we do have some lovely distractions.

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Come late Summer they gonna need something else to keep the momentum going!

For me personally, the wait for Hawkeye has been almost torturous. And it really arrives "Late 2021", eh, I'll have to focus on the ol' backlog.

Also next week we FINALLY get to see the original Mighty Ducks in the blatant rippoff of Cobra Kai new Mighty Ducks show. Please be good please be good....
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« Reply #31 on: June 20, 2021, 11:43:39 PM »
So talking about Loki this week:

Loki's alright, but I think the episodes are too long, Loki as a character already completed his character arc a long time ago, and much of the humor revolves around him either being incredibly stupid or slow on the uptake.

I've always enjoyed Owen Wilson though.

There's something I especially wanted to comment on with this show though. The foreign language subtitles, as with Wandavision, give away a reveal before it dropped in the actual show.

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In ep 2 of Loki we meet female Loki as a separate character because time travel. Anyway, the foreign language subs gave away the character's true identity, just like they did with Monica Rambeau in Wandavision. It's Sylvie, the Young Masters version of Enchantress from Dark Reign: Young Avengers. Well, that's certainly different. You have mah curiosity. Though it might just be another instance of MCU doing a veto on Amora because Thor movies (hence Lorelei appearing in Shield).

A dossier seen in the episode listed her as Slyvie Laufeysdottir. So she's either Loki's sister or she's an alternate universe female version of Loki.


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« Reply #32 on: July 14, 2021, 01:22:48 PM »
Ho boy. I haven't talked about it, but if anyone hasn't seen Loki, specifically the last two episodes... Go. Go now. Watch it. I'm serious.

Spoilers for the Finale. There be dragons here, you've been warned.

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Im still reeling, but... Wow. What a way to introduce the character to become the MCU's new big bad, essentially kill him, introduce the multiverse, and still deliver on an emotional journey for the title character that feels earned. There's a lot to unpack here but MAN. So good.

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« Reply #33 on: July 16, 2021, 01:36:54 AM »
Yeah, I was not impressed. Don't go watch it now. Go watch what you want and what you actually enjoy. For me Loki was a joyless slog to get through. And that season finale reveal actively made me angry.

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As I've said a few times before on this forum, Kang is probably my single favorite Marvel villain, and he was HORRIBLE in this. They went full Mandarin, full Jesse Eisenberg with him, making him an utterly out of character, hyperactive, jokey-jokey, hammy goofball who gets up on the desk while he's talking. I couldn't BELIEVE how badly they butchered him.

Between him and Taskmaster (and Thor, and Scourge, and Ghost, and...), The MCU voids the claim that they're faithful to the source material. They're not. And the idea that it's an alternate timeline Kang still doesn't excuse the disrespectful way he was used, because the Council of Kangs already existed in the comics and the cartoons, and they weren't done like that. They were treated with utmost respect. The Lego video game version of Kang was treated with more respect than the MCU version has so far, and that's just baffling.
 
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« Reply #34 on: July 16, 2021, 02:21:06 AM »
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First of all, that wasn't Kang. It was likely intended to be Immortus... Small quibble, but given his stated age, his connection to the time keepers, and his antagonism towards himself, i felt that was pretty clear.

Beyond that... I feel you're being WAY over critical. First, Kang has never been consistent. He's been more wisecracking in certain stories, and his personality is all over the place depending on which kang we're dealing with, where on the timeline we are, and the mood of the writer. And frankly, even if he is the same when we meet him again, I'll take this character a hundred times over above the very rapey kang from the majority of his appearances.

Second, this is supposed to be a man who has been alone with his obsession for thousands of years. He's clearly been driven a bit crazy by his self exile and the war he was a part of.

Third, this isn't Kang. We haven't seen Kang. The whole point of the entire freaking series is about variants and the differences between them. All we saw of kang was Immortus' fear, and a statue.

Fourth, i think it is the slap in the face to make that claim when there's SO MUCH love given to the comics... Between Classic Loki, Throg, the Thanos copter... They packed so much comics love in there. I haven't seen BW, but i feel like you're letting that experience color the Loki series.


Frankly, no spoilers, i could not disagree more strongly. The mcu has never claimed to be a 1:1 adaptation. This is a good story, and the reveal was well handled, with some amazing cinematography and nice subtext (the fruit).

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« Reply #35 on: July 23, 2021, 02:51:44 AM »
I want to say I apologize. I phrased a lot of that last post incredibly poorly, hence the slap in the face.

Let me make amends for that.

The MCU is selectively Faithful. Some stuff is comics accurate, some stuff isn't but it usually has it where it counts.

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Don't go watch it now. Go watch what you want and what you actually enjoy.

That was rude. Sorry.

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with some amazing cinematography

It does indeed have that.

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First of all, that wasn't Kang. It was likely intended to be Immortus...

That's a fair enough point actually, and for some reason, I don't really know why, I didn't think of it. And that's less of an issue for me because I've never especially liked Immortus.

They're in a sense the same guy, but the differences are there and are why the two characters are often squared against each other. The creators said in a interview that it's not necessarily Immortus. But that doesn't necessarily mean anything.

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And frankly, even if he is the same when we meet him again, I'll take this character a hundred times over above the very rapey kang from the majority of his appearances.

I'll say this at least, the original Carol Danvers story is so universally disliked that even its own writers don't stand by it and I don't think I know anyone who defends it.

And it was directly criticized in better stories that played off it, including Kang Dynasty, which is one of my favorite Kang stories.

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Second, this is supposed to be a man who has been alone with his obsession for thousands of years. He's clearly been driven a bit crazy by his self exile and the war he was a part of.

That's a fair point, but the execution bothered me. It reminded me a bit of Jar Jar Binks. Not to say he's Jar Jar specifically, but I think if his mannerisms were toned down just the right amount, I'd probably be ok with it.

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I haven't seen BW, but i feel like you're letting that experience color the Loki series.

Not in the slightest, I just phrased my earlier comment poorly, and you know what, that's on me, I got caught up in the moment. I had about two years to be fully prepared for Taskmaster to be a wholly separate thing, and indeed Tony Masters could appear proper in some future project, and Taskmaster being this separate character in BW is not inherently a negative IMO.

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Fourth, i think it is the slap in the face to make that claim when there's SO MUCH love given to the comics... Between [REDACTED, REDACTED AND REDACTED] They packed so much comics love in there.

Clearly it had the intended reaction from you, and, from what I hear, others.  92% on Rotten Tomatoes. And I have no doubt the creators poured their comics love into the series, and it doesn't resonate me with on any level. Oh well.


I could come here again and add more to the discussion. That'll be it for the moment.
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« Reply #36 on: July 23, 2021, 01:20:07 PM »
S'all good.

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That's a fair enough point actually, and for some reason, I don't really know why, I didn't think of it. And that's less of an issue for me because I've never especially liked Immortus.

They're in a sense the same guy, but the differences are there and are why the two characters are often squared against each other. The creators said in a interview that it's not necessarily Immortus. But that doesn't necessarily mean anything.

TBF, and I learned this after I posted... he is TECHNICALLY exactly what he's called, an obscure Marvel character called "he who remains" with some shades of Immortus thrown in there to make him more recognizable. I guess the idea was "what if this 'he who remains' guy was a Kang, the one who remained after the big Kang war?" It's interesting, and touching on some relevant but obscure lore. Good stuff.

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I'll say this at least, the original Carol Danvers story is so universally disliked that even its own writers don't stand by it and I don't think I know anyone who defends it.

And it was directly criticized in better stories that played off it, including Kang Dynasty, which is one of my favorite Kang stories.

I think it's my turn to apologize, tbh. I had recently watched a youtuber express his own frustrations with comic Kang and the fact that he was being set up as the MCU's next big baddie, and that was on my mind when I was responding. The truth is, I don't actually dislike Kang at all personally... I dislike certain stories with Kang in them, and the prevalence of "I'm going to bed X against their will" in a lot of early stuff is right up there with slapping your wife to cure hysteria in terms of feeling like "I get that this is a product of its time but COME ON"... but Kang is such an ambiguous character anyway it's actually easier to write that all off as another version or that that part of him got pulled off when he was split into Immortus in Avengers Forever, etc.

His execution in EMH was pretty good though, and there are stories I do like. I should not have been as dismissive about the character, when my point was more that Kang is a character governed more by how he's used. Much like, y'know, time travel in general... it can be done really well, but it can also be very problematic.

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Not in the slightest, I just phrased my earlier comment poorly, and you know what, that's on me, I got caught up in the moment. I had about two years to be fully prepared for Taskmaster to be a wholly separate thing, and indeed Tony Masters could appear proper in some future project, and Taskmaster being this separate character in BW is not inherently a negative IMO.

Not really responding to this per se, but just adding I've since seen BW, and... I kinda feel the same, tbh. As I told Benton, don't go into that film expecting Taskmaster, go in expecting an off brand version with similar powers. Served the purpose within the story, but the door IS open to explore a proper version of the character down the line. We'll see.


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« Reply #37 on: July 23, 2021, 10:04:27 PM »
Okay, I've read the posts and watched the show in one go, and I must say that Loki is a Disney+ show I finally liked!
Was it perfect? Not at all. Did it feel more like something with a full story and character arc, that both isn't JUST an ad for further features but that DOES set up massive changes for MCU? Yes.
This is up high on the Marvel list, despite some shakiness.

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So, ever since Thor 1 I've been wanting to see Enchantress. I just always liked her. This version is pretty cool!
Okay, technically she's based on a Young Avengers character who used Amora's name and even that is so loose that she's really just an original character, but I liked her. If she shows up more, I wouldn't be mad.
And I didn't like her at first. She starts a bit grating and my god they have to stop saying the word enchant.... But by the end I rooted for her.

I also loved this particular Kang. I am a huge Kang fan but the thing I most love is that his character is different all the time. If they started doing a bunch of different Kang's in the MCU, that would be pretty cool.
This one was fun and worked for what he was and introduced the concept nicely.
If they did end up doing an FF soon... heck have them fight Rama-Tut. If they do end up going the Young Avengers route, which it seems like they are building to, I welcome an Iron Lad. Nathaniel Richards all day.
I think the actor they have chosen has enough range to do many different takes on the same character.


The biggest thing about all these projects is they are full of tiny obscure references (Thanos-copter) but they are ALWAYS doing their own thing.
And many times that means original characters who share the name only.
Like Taskmaster. I have a friend who is a huge TM fan and he was disappointed. Personally, I'm a really big fan of Ego the Living Planet (his origin is one of the few classic comics I actually own) and I hated what they did in GoG2.
People, especially fans of this nerdy stuff, complain when the changes suck. But they won't complain if the changes are cool or interesting.

Green Goblin costume? Sucks. X-Men in leather? Okay, cool.
And it continues like this, so it's all got to be taken with a grain of salt.

Anyhow, I thought Loki, taken as a whole, was a pretty fun little ride. Certainly moreso than Falcon/WS.
I'd probably even rewatch this some day. Thumbs up from me.

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« Reply #38 on: September 19, 2021, 04:20:06 PM »
Hey, I actually never ended up reading the rest of this thread until now, but now that I have, interesting food for thought. I am glad I was able to come back after taking time to clam down and process things afterwards.

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One thing that keeps me thinking back to this is the new Kang the Conqueror comic miniseries that's coming out right now. Issue #2 is out though, but I haven't read it, but I've read issue #1 and I really liked it. It tackled the Iron Lad/Nathaniel Richards/Kang dynamic and as such, played up that some of Kang's actions and methods are pretty slimy (in particular "courting Ravonna" gets a very quick visual reference. Good time to mention, I never really liked those Kang stories much either  :P)