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State Of The Industry
« on: April 02, 2020, 08:38:31 PM »
I suppose should start this somewhere for anyone that needs to let it out. I encourage venting here but mind the site rules. Also please try not to fight, remember everyone is just giving their own opinion on the matter and everyone is stressed out right now for more reasons than anyone should have to cope with currently.

I'm somewhat nonplussed myself. I don't have much going for me other than working and comics are the one thing I look forward to every week. I do think this needed to happen. The fact that the industry was locked in a sense that most vendors where stuck with one distribution company was only another thing keeping the industry from growing especially in an era where print is under fire. On the other I think companies should have been trying to do something before this especially the big two. Sucks as a reader though of course. I looked up and down because I wanted this to be an April Fools joke. I do believe the industry will survive. It never seems to follow the rules of any other than it's own. Likewise at least the big two are owned and backed by parent companies and for at least one of them the franchises other venues are based on are the companies breadwinners right now so I can't see them allowing it all to sink. Sort of like letting the heart go bad while knowing the rest of the body depends on it. The little guy however, sadly I imagine is going to have to change things for awhile and personally as a lot of those indy rags are my favorites.


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Re: State Of The Industry
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2020, 12:06:28 AM »
Unfortunately, years and years of short-sighted business practices and terrible narrative choices have left the industry (in terms of the big two) in a pretty precarious place, and this current crisis is exacerbating that.  However, there is hope:
https://bleedingcool.com/comics/today-the-comic-shops-direct-market-was-saved/

There's a plan in place to have LCSs sell digital comics and link them to print comics that can be redeemed in the future.  That's an elegant solution, really.

Measures like this could keep things going, at least if they can get the word out.
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Re: State Of The Industry
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2020, 10:29:57 AM »
That's a good plan really. I always liked that most of the people working on any side of the industry are loyal to the LCS's. I can't remember the name but it was an X-Men writer, I think it may have been CC, anyways I was reading that they had bought a bunch of their own TPB's to pay back an LCS owner with down syndrome for all the sales over the years when his biz wasn't doing so well. I thought to myself that my at the time LCS owner had the condition and went and checked and sure enough it was his place and he showed me all this autographed X-Men stuff. Kind of my shimmering hope is there's so much heart and dedication in the comic industry, it's not like you're usual factory line. I think that attitude will keep it above water and really has through many hard times.

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Re: State Of The Industry
« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2020, 03:10:41 PM »
Yeah, I tend to get a little too wordy but that's something I was trying to spell out especially the "let's face it" part. I brought it up online previously and even the head honchos of the independent publishers have kicked the ball around themselves but usually met with denial and hostility when trying to do so. It's a perception thing I think. When looking at the numbers for superhero comics sales alone it seems like everything has always been hunky dory but when then putting them in with the entire economic matrix not at all. Most fans tend not to do the latter simply because, well they like their comics and wouldn't want doubts. No different then fans despising change in the art against their own personal sense of nostalgia. But it stands the industry was hurting and that's from within the walls of the already hurting print industry itself. It "was" a good model for it's day back in the day mind you, same as say record stores were. Now though in a shifted landscape and an economy that is say brittle and even long standing big name companies can bottom out in one bad move in the course of a few months it just doesn't fit anymore. As much as it even can pain me to say myself the truth is the industry must be reinvented and should have a long time ago if it is to continue and be around for our childrens-childrens children. Like many other things it is dictated by an abstract system and not it's owners nor clients overall and thus has to evolve in order to thrive even against the personal wants of the people. I think this often against any complaint, even my own specifics. I see something new and think as anyone else does it's silly that they changed it the way they did but then I remind myself that if it has, it probably needs to be that way and is probably working as such. Like maybe a bad example but we don't see comic covers of a character punching Hitler in the face anymore unless of course it's done in jest. It just isn't that era anymore so it doesn't sell and sell, like it or not, is what any product has to do in order to stay in the game, artistry be be damned. Again I think it will survive, I think because there's interest in having it do so but it's going to have to change and in a major way if it is to really do so in spite of what any of us would want it to do.



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Re: State Of The Industry
« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2020, 05:46:30 PM »
Exactly though, I hear ya. But as far as record store owners and nostalgics it did. They felt under attack at the time and of course just as people who are hardcore genre fans feel under attack when a new generations music becomes popular. But they're wrong of course, just like we tend to be wrong when it comes to comic books. And I get it, some comics represent a simpler time for me but really it's projection. The world itself only seemed better because I was young and thus in a better more flexible mindset. Really the world was and is always as it was. And industry is not exempt from that natural factor. And art is a product, they aren't going to stop selling a product and making money especially the people who support their families with it. Likewise again one that's industry based on the print has recently done so incredibly well. It will be around is the point but, will have to change and a lot of people may not be happy about it. Yet cars have to change fuel type over time, in our lifetimes even and people aren't happy about that, yet they have to else no cars. It just is. And yeah I agree, the fact that it took at least the big two, can't really put it on the little guy here, this long and this type of event to get with the program pretty much sucks. Had they gotten ahead of it sooner and they should have given they are large enough to understand market projections we may have not been in a situation where we were finding ourselves locked inside with no new comics to read. But they didn't, I hope they all learn from that mistake. Proper Preparation Prevents Poor Performance. Granted it took me decades in my life of falling on my face to accept the truth of that but that's a little different than running a company and again especially in the current fragile landscape it exists.

As for how quick I beg to differ. Thing is DC is owned by a larger parent company as is Marvel. It's likely at some point the brass will step in and enforce something if nothing gets better fast enough. Those people really don't like losing their investments regardless of what the people who run the DC or Marvel end of things wants personally for it and as cold as it may sound I understand why they do that because again else...no car (comics). People like WB and Disney did not get as high up as they are nor as far through hard times without understanding these practices and likewise both comic companies sold to them for the reason they wanted those larger companies expansion and reach, so whether it's something or not they want they'll get it. I do think it will take "some" time, but it will be subjective and relatively short on a long game timeline. Sorry if that's all punchy, I know. I was sent to school for projections and pars for a former job so this stuff stands out to me. Oddly so does the coronavirus on a side note as another job put me through pathogens class at a big college. I suppose we'll all see but I do say this much, be ready to adapt with the market as it does. It's easier than stressing yourself because the nature of the art has changed. Easier to try and keep a fresh open mind and perspective I mean, I've found this has made various things I'm a fan of like comics and video games much more enjoyable and sway me from falling into the trap of cynicism which is a very easy hole to fall down into and hard one to climb out of.

Otherwise damn I wish I had some new issues to read in confinement. At least the X-Men and Ninja Turtles stuff lol. I can only get with this whole streaming movie service so much, it's just never been my type of thing. Then again as always I have the TPB/back issue save. If nothing works just read the stuff that does bring you joy again and rekindle the feeling of the day you first did. Like the skeleton in the story who wants the empty whine bottle he cannot drink because having it brings back the memory of a fond time it may seem silly on the surface but it does work.



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Re: State Of The Industry
« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2020, 06:15:50 PM »
They did unfortunately it was vintage common stuff that everyone probably already owns. It is a good idea but really if they wanted to sink their hooks in they should have put some of the new releases online, that would have pulled enough numbers in. Their concern is how this would effect the LCS's but in projections that loss could have been recovered as well the LCS's are already sustaining the loss currently regardless with no new comics to sell and most being closed as non-essential business types.

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Re: State Of The Industry
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2021, 04:26:59 AM »
So we had Erik Larsen and some other industry people dust off the old piracy canard. Even ignoring the big fact he gets paid regardless of the book sales,piracy is a very minor problem in grand scheme of things. You couldn't hand out most of this stuff for free. People just don't care for the current Super Special Awesome Event that's going to be retconed in a few months anyway.
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Re: State Of The Industry
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2021, 06:47:50 PM »
I'm curious how many people are pirating new stuff.  In my (admittedly very limited) experience, I think people are more interested in tracking down digital versions of older material, especially stuff not easily available for purchase.
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Re: State Of The Industry
« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2021, 06:56:47 PM »
Eh. I don't have a lot to add. The thing is, and I've touched on this before, digital content (Comixology, Marvel Digital Comics Unlimited, Dark Horse Digital) is conveniently available, can be streamed from your phone/tablet, and is cheap, and often on sale.

I would imagine what gets pirated often is foreign comics (manga, European) that aren't widely available in officially localized form, and licensed stuff that's not available due to rights issues. (Valiant Super Mario Bros, ect)

What's more often pirated, as I've mentioned often, is stuff that's prohibitively expensive and inconvenient to acquire.

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Re: State Of The Industry
« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2021, 07:12:32 PM »
Morality is irrelevant in this case. Because I doubt anyone cares enough to pirate Savage Dragon. Nobody read that since 1998.
People pirating stuff implies an interest in the product (movies get pirated and people still went to cinemas). And that's not really there. So the idea that they would pay 4$ per issue of a 30-something issue crossover is even more ludicrous.
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