Avengers Footage

[style]

Ohh my gosh....this is shaping up to be the greatest superhero movie of all time....that just looks incredible.

I concur!

[Figure Fan]

Looks soooooo cool. 

[ShawDAMAN]

The effects and sets as usual look pretty stunning..... as usual though I'm the fly in the ointment and I just really don't care for something the casting of these major roles. Ah well. :p (Particularly Hemsworth as Thor... SORRY)

[BentonGrey]

The effects and sets as usual look pretty stunning..... as usual though I'm the fly in the ointment and I just really don't care for something the casting of these major roles. Ah well. :p (Particularly Hemsworth as Thor... SORRY)

Really?  Now that's surprising.  The casting for the Hulk is disappointing, admittedly, but I haven't heard anybody complain about Hemsworth.  He was really great in Thor, and I imagine he'll be just as good here.

[Talavar]

Hemsworth was the best part of Thor.  He was charismatic, arrogant, charming and noble in turns in what was otherwise a middling movie.

[ShawDAMAN]

Really?  Now that's surprising.  The casting for the Hulk is disappointing, admittedly, but I haven't heard anybody complain about Hemsworth.  He was really great in Thor, and I imagine he'll be just as good here.

Hemsworth was the best part of Thor.  He was charismatic, arrogant, charming and noble in turns in what was otherwise a middling movie.

I know, I know.    I just can't help my gut feeling lol.

I've always pictured Thor basically like this:


Clean shaven, kind of square jawed, almost Grecian features with a really commanding voice and otherworldly presence (lol.)

Hemsworth, on the other hand, just seems like a butch, uncouth, scruffy ranch dude-slash-ladies-heartthrob with superpowers to me:



His eating like a slob and smashing coffee cups and running around in jeans and the like didn't help either haha (yes I know, it's part of the plot.  )

I get a similar feeling with him as I get with say Halle Berry as Storm. You need something kind of exotic, regal and commanding but you get something that is annoyingly 21st century urban and ordinary (aside from good looks.) I guess I'm really demanding. 

I agree Hulk's casting is disappointing. I don't dislike Downey as Iron man (nobody seems to.) Chris Evans as Captain America is just decent IMO.

[deano_ue]

ever seen a real Viking or Norse mythology concept. marvels comic thor would have been laughed at

[ShawDAMAN]

ever seen a real Viking or Norse mythology concept. marvels comic thor would have been laughed at

It depends. I know that various interpretations of these characters are possible. I think they could have been more reminiscent of the comics though without it being any more ridiculous than these marvel hero films already are. I suppose that's the problem with live-action interpretations of these comic book standards, the writers/producers feel compelled to make it more 'current' and 'real' and to me it often becomes strangely less believable and appealing in the process.

Sorry to take this thread off topic though the footage and shots are great.

[catwhowalksbyhimself]

I personally like there interpretation of Thor.  Made some slight changes to make it more believable, but otherwise was very comicy in other parts.

[ShawDAMAN]

I personally like there interpretation of Thor.  Made some slight changes to make it more believable, but otherwise was very comicy in other parts.

I suppose. I guess I'm just realizing that most of the live action superhero films of recent years aren't as memorable to ME as their comicky forbears I remember reading an interview of Courtnall6 on the FRP website and thinking "YES, someone is thinking the same way I am:"

"It's funny. I remember dying to see live action films of superheroes be made when I was little. Now I often wish they would just stop making them. The amount of damage that  Hollywood has done to the comic industry is staggering. For some reason, everything that Hollywood screws up... leather x-men, S-Belt Superman, rubber Batman, organic web shooters, bullseye forehead scar, and Jessica Alba... current writers and artists can't wait to drag that kind of crap into their comics. Instead of celebrating the things they can do that Hollywood can't... they hyper realize everything, so it looks just as stupid as it does on the big screen. End of rant."

[Talavar]

The thing about most of that "damage" is that it doesn't matter.  Trivial costume details like S-belts and headwings neither help nor hinder good storytelling.  Even larger costume changes like leather X-men or rubber Batman rarely matter (iconic costumes are important; Superman needs to look like Superman, and rubber Batman still looked like Batman - the X-men don't have iconic costumes) to an actual story.  Casting matters, I'll grant you that - and while there has been some serious miscasting, there has also been some inspired choices in the recent crop of superhero films.

[ShawDAMAN]

The thing about most of that "damage" is that it doesn't matter.

To some people it does. I actually surprise myself with my own critiques because I'm hardly a purist or an expert on comics in general (historically speaking.)

Even larger costume changes like leather X-men or rubber Batman rarely matter (iconic costumes are important; Superman needs to look like Superman, and rubber Batman still looked like Batman - the X-men don't have iconic costumes)

I'd say Wolverines yellow and black/blue is pretty iconic, but that may be due to his being the most popular and well known x-man and consequently getting so much (too much?) exposure. The others, perhaps not quite so much.

I agree that costume details don't usually make a big difference when it comes to storytelling.

Of course some people have issues with the stories too. Most people seem to agree that something is lost in translation when you try to make these classic comic book stories "realistic." (Dark phoenix being turned into Jean's actual psyche instead of a separate entity, for instance.) I get why writers and producers feel they have to do it- what works on paper may just seem stupid if you try to copy it with real people and and sets- but it's really hard to make a blending of the old and new "work" with a lot of stuff feeling like it's just shoe-horned in for fan service and stories being re-written almost just for the sake of re-writing them (origins: wolverine anyone?) I just feel a real lack of retrospective charm in a lot of this recent live action stuff.... I just watched the trailer for 2012 spiderman and though I applaud the use of comic story elements like mechanical web shooters and Peter Parkers past history it all seemed weirdly dark and brooding for a spiderman film. Ah well.

[Tomato]

Honestly, I feel like movies have become more and more like the comics as things have moved on... Ever since Marvel Studios started up, we've seen a shift from movies that are good, but only very loosely based on the source material (X-men, Batman Begins, Spiderman) to movies that have given us characters that could have jumped right from the pages of the comics (Iron Man, Captain America, Thor). Even the ones that still aren't have either bombed (Wolverine, GL) or are soon ending, to be replaced with more accurate interpretations (TDKR)

Besides, it's been my contention that outside media has ALWAYS influenced how comics were written, from Cartoons (X-23 and Firestar anyone?) right back to radio and Superman's earliest stories. Kryptonite and even the Daily Planet were originally created for the Superman radio series, and didn't appear in the comics at all until the stories became popular. We may dislike certain aspects of the movies seeping in, but it is by no means anything new... it's happened for practically every interpretation of the characters.

[ShawDAMAN]

Honestly, I feel like movies have become more and more like the comics as things have moved on... Ever since Marvel Studios started up, we've seen a shift from movies that are good, but only very loosely based on the source material (X-men, Batman Begins, Spiderman) to movies that have given us characters that could have jumped right from the pages of the comics (Iron Man, Captain America, Thor). Even the ones that still aren't have either bombed (Wolverine, GL) or are soon ending, to be replaced with more accurate interpretations (TDKR)

Besides, it's been my contention that outside media has ALWAYS influenced how comics were written, from Cartoons (X-23 and Firestar anyone?) right back to radio and Superman's earliest stories. Kryptonite and even the Daily Planet were originally created for the Superman radio series, and didn't appear in the comics at all until the stories became popular. We may dislike certain aspects of the movies seeping in, but it is by no means anything new... it's happened for practically every interpretation of the characters.

It does seem that way.

[Previsionary]

Wolverine didn't "bomb." The fans just didn't like it.

[JeyNyce]

Would you guys like it better if Thor looked like this:

http://www.ferretpress.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Film_Thor_VS_Hulk.jpg

[ShawDAMAN]

Would you guys like it better if Thor looked like this:

http://www.ferretpress.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Film_Thor_VS_Hulk.jpg

YES!

 

[herodad1]

alot of opinion also has to do with comic company preference. some people will shoot down the other company's movies or character looks just because they like DC better or vice versa. ive noticed this alot in discussions. i may be a true blue MARVEL fan but i dont let that sway my opinion. from what ive seen so far with the AVENGERS footage...it looked awsome. i'll probably think the same thing when the JLA hits the big screen.

[captmorgan72]

I read in a couple of forums that Thor should have been played by Tyler Mane and Cap by Hemsworth. Would have been interesting to see how that would have played out. Mane has the square jaw and size and Hemsworth clean shaven, might have made a good Cap.

[Talavar]

I read in a couple of forums that Thor should have been played by Tyler Mane and Cap by Hemsworth. Would have been interesting to see how that would have played out. Mane has the square jaw and size and Hemsworth clean shaven, might have made a good Cap.

Interesting as a cautionary example maybe.  Wrestlers whose biggest parts are non or barely speaking roles shouldn't be cast as leads in major superhero movies.  That combined with the fact that Hemsworth was the best part of Thor (and Chris Evans was great as Captain America) means that this would have been a terrible idea.

Casting inspired by physical resemblance first and actual talent a distant second is a bad idea.

[Tomato]

Wolverine didn't "bomb." The fans just didn't like it.

Don't get me wrong, I liked BOTH GL and Wolverine (I even defended GL over on ToF) but neither one was well received. I think we're finally getting to a point where moviemakers can't get away with just a showy action movie with unnescessary changes to the source material. The films that have come out have proven you can do something accurate to the comics and not have it look silly on screen. I mean really, if you can make people understand and accept the concept of Thor, you don't really need to be conservative with Green Lantern

[lugaru]

For me the problem with Wolverine Origins is that they wrote out all of the charisma that Hughe Jackman brought to Logan. His character was just so serious, sad and boring in it. Also the wirework was a little floaty but that is a bit of a nitpick for action fans.

For me Chris Hemsworth is a great thor for the same reasons, he is really entertaining, charismatic and looked great in action scenes. I also prefer the brash and bon vivant thor, it is just more fun. Still they really captured that "Kirby Crackle" ™ by making him this cool sci-fi space god rather than the norse mythos one.

I cant wait to see him in the Avengers...


Quick note on Hale Berry: she is a great actress but she was given almost nothing to do with Storm and honestly all the fan backlash was against her complaining about that, which is understandable to some degree. She basically wanted it to be Storm and the X-Men, which I would be happy to watch, but that is not the script she signed up for.

[Previsionary]

Wolverine didn't "bomb." The fans just didn't like it.

Don't get me wrong, I liked BOTH GL and Wolverine (I even defended GL over on ToF) but neither one was well received. I think we're finally getting to a point where moviemakers can't get away with just a showy action movie with unnescessary changes to the source material. The films that have come out have proven you can do something accurate to the comics and not have it look silly on screen. I mean really, if you can make people understand and accept the concept of Thor, you don't really need to be conservative with Green Lantern

So... essentially what I said but in long form. It didn't "bomb." The fans just didn't like it. Wolverine made over 2 times its purported budget. That's a statement of fact, not opinion.

I also agree with Lugaru about  Halle/Storm. Storm and most of the X-men did VERY little of importance in all three X-movies. That said, Halle is not what I'd imagine as a Storm type, so I still consider that a miscast.

[Talavar]

I also think Halle Berry was miscast as Storm, and a big part of her issues with the part is that, between X-men 1 and 2, Halle Berry became much more famous, but was already contractually obligated to appear.  Remember, for X1 they were casting a lot of parts on a tight budget, and Berry wasn't as famous at the time.

[cripp12]

Would you guys like it better if Thor looked like this:

http://www.ferretpress.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Film_Thor_VS_Hulk.jpg

  AAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!
I could of used more Hulk in the trailer.

[ShawDAMAN]

I could of used more Hulk in the trailer.

Me too, and it would have been nice to see the whole group together at least once. I hope they dont center it on iron man too much.

[Talavar]

One of the reasons I think we're still seeing very little Hulk is because the movie is still 7 months away, and the Hulk's CGI is much more complicated to get looking good than Iron Man's.

[herodad1]

 i hope to see a little HULK V.S the rest of the team.

[captmorgan72]

Man, this shot of Chris next to Robert looks really great. Does he look like Steve Rogers or what? Also, I thought he looked smaller, not anymore. The dude is stacked. http://movies.ign.com/dor/objects/769931/the-avengers/images/avengers-cap-stark-800_1318275370.html

[ShawDAMAN]

Man, this shot of Chris next to Robert looks really great. Does he look like Steve Rogers or what? Also, I thought he looked smaller, not anymore. The dude is stacked. http://movies.ign.com/dor/objects/769931/the-avengers/images/avengers-cap-stark-800_1318275370.html

That is a really great shot.

i hope to see a little HULK V.S the rest of the team.

That would be cool. It would be funny to see, in live action, something similar to what they did in the recent avengers animated series, with Thor and Hulk getting along very poorly at first and going at it a couple times.