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Re: DC Comics Reboot
« Reply #1590 on: August 22, 2020, 03:59:56 PM »
Yes and no. The issue is, because of that same pandemic, there's only so much money the average (unemployed) person could justify on subscriptions... and DC Universe was, unfortunately, just not suited for it. Between Netflix, Hulu, Disney+, Crunchyroll, and other sites, the video content on DCU was kinda pitiful. A few series done relatively cheaply spread out over months (as opposed to Netflix's "release and binge" schedule), a handful of Direct to DVD animated films (which they rotated in and out) and a backlog of 10-40 year old tv shows.

On top of that, all the content was aimed at one type of fanbase, and they split even that fanbase since Watchmen (which got more buzz online than any of the DC shows on DCU) and other DC shows were/are being made exclusive for HBO Max, plus all the contemporary CW shows being exclusive to their awful site. HBO Max in particular is just a better video platform with a better video library. If they move what's on DCU over, I'd switch in a heartbeat.

Really, the only advantage to DCU is... DC Comics. But that's never been marketed properly. Again, I point to Marvel Unlimited... DC absolutely has the backlog to justify a similar model to Marvel's, potentially even more-so because of how long DC has been making comics... but all I ever heard about was the video stuff. I didn't even know DCU had the comic backlog until months into being subscribed. No, instead everything was "Oh, look at these shows we're making" or "If you're subscribed you can BUY exclusive swag."

DCU should be focused on taking over that market, on competing on that footing, rather than trying to be Netflix lite. They've failed to do that so far, and people had better subscriptions to spend their money on.

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Re: DC Comics Reboot
« Reply #1591 on: August 25, 2020, 09:22:50 AM »
Solid point about the pandemic as well quarantines add how that effected the other ends of the equation in that and any other biz. It's weird fluctuating dynamic, streaming services alone already were that just by design. They new and old money frankly tends to have a hard time reinventing itself and adapting to news systems. In this case they are akin to the comic industry when it first started out and as many from those days would say "they had no idea what it was yet". I grant some grace on these things given there doesn't seem to be a solid foundation and likewise acknowledging most of the established entities are in fact rooted in old ways and therefore don't conform to new dynamics. I see streaming like riding a wave and hoping not to bank off a crest and capsize. The comic book industry and this was discussed much on this site is entrenched in print and is only showing signs of really committing to endorsing the digital medium, the drive seems to have been brought on by the whole distributor issue coinciding with industry and shops closing during quarantines. Likewise a well spoken of belief that to feed the digital frontier would end the print side thus a hesitation to move on the digital side properly and in full swing. Ironic as print was declared dead a long time ago and as companies hold onto that system in which they felt comfortable end up losing money as time goes forward. In any case I see the comic industry as ill prepared for the digital one and thus a reasoning to their faults in it now. Streaming video services to me are a different beast all together and seem to be a matter of gambling against an unproven medium that hasn't quite defined itself in it's otherwise youth to either a win or loss hence the sudden upheavals and inconsistencies there. Add the lack of structure as far as being user friendly and updated on all devices and platforms, noting what GhostMachine said and how my own available differs from that in both availability and limitations and how both seem to often be in flux and unreliable. It's a weird market and I am glad I don't work in it, I need stability and assurance when it comes to my bread and butter.

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Re: DC Comics Reboot
« Reply #1592 on: September 14, 2020, 06:01:06 AM »
DC Universe streaming service, in a move that should surprise noone, is getting ruthlessly cannibalized by HBO Max and anything not called Stargirl (moving to CW, also unsurpisingly) that doesn't get cancelled (the Harley Quinn animated show hasn't been picked up for a second season yet, last I heard) will apparently migrate over there.


Harley Quinn season 2 is finished already, season 3 being picked up for HBO Max was the first major warning sign that DCU was doomed. Personally, I feel like it was inevitable (it didn't make any sense to split their content like that) but I still kind of hope DC Universe will get restructured as DC's answer to Marvel Unlimited, since that was a major strength of the service anyway.

Oh yeah, it was a season 3. For some reason when I posted that I was thinking season 2. I guess I forgot how many seasons actually came out.
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« Reply #1593 on: October 07, 2020, 05:00:48 AM »
So Generations is happening after all. I guess its now a Convergence style event for January/February,after which we will be getting new storylines and creative teams.
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« Reply #1594 on: January 08, 2021, 08:56:02 PM »
I got around to Endless Winter. It was okay,but dragged on for a bit too long. Black Adam and Hippolyta joined the Justice League.

After Future State we are in for another soft reboot,If I got it right. I see Tom King is doing Phantasm...please,dont let King mess with the legacy of the best Batman movie.
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Re: DC Comics Reboot
« Reply #1595 on: January 11, 2021, 04:00:26 AM »
1. If that was a spoiler for that enormous 10 dollar one shot I just bought with Booster Gold and Kimiyo Hoshi on the cover, that at the current rate will likely take me about 2 years to read, I WILL throw a peanut butter and jelly sandwich at you.

2. So I have heard. Superboy on the Suicide Squad has mah curiosity. Oh, and least I forget, Joker and THE CSA getting their own book (somewhere out there Tomato's Tomato Signal just went up)? Interesting stuff.

3. I'm of the opinion that Mask of the Phantasm is grotesquely overratted and you seem to have forgotten about Under the Red Hood.

4. You guys DO know that the Phantasm is directly based off The REAPER from Batman Year Two, right? A character that got revived at least once?

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« Reply #1596 on: January 11, 2021, 09:10:46 AM »
I probably said it before,but weird that it took DC 20+ years to implement popular characters from the cartoons.
None of the things I mentioned involve Booster Gold,so you are probably safe. And they were heavily hyped.
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« Reply #1597 on: January 11, 2021, 11:26:57 PM »
3. I'm of the opinion that Mask of the Phantasm is grotesquely overratted and you seem to have forgotten about Under the Red Hood.

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« Reply #1598 on: January 12, 2021, 02:20:30 AM »
I probably said it before,but weird that it took DC 20+ years to implement popular characters from the cartoons.
Oh ho, don't get me started. Justice League/JLU was my gateway show for well over half the characters on that show, Booster and Kimmie very much included.
The 2000's Teen Titans show was my gateway for every character not named Robin.

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None of the things I mentioned involve Booster Gold,so you are probably safe. And they were heavily hyped.

Worry, not, I was mostly joking. Hence the Black Widow quote.
Even still this is, as I understand it, one of those one-shots that's an advertisement for damn near everything DC's putting out for the next few years. They're doing that thing they do like every few years where they go "Sorry we screwed up guys. Here, we'll change it -and we'll put out a really good book trying to explain all the contradictory bullcrap that doesn't make any sense. Mind you, we're just going to end up making it MORE confusing, but try not to let that ruin the fun."

In particular, the cover for "Generations Shattered: From the Pages of [sigh] Dark Nights: Death Metal!" shows Booster, Kimmi, Kommandi (but is he at Earth's End?), the Pre-Flashpoint Starfire, Golden Age Batman, complete with purple gloves, Steel, Sinestro as a GL, and what I assume is the Pre-Crisis Superboy. So there's all sorts of crazy things going on in that book. Who knows, maybe Linkara's prediction came through and Booster's Gold's adult film is finally a thing.

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SS, who hurt you?
*cracks knuckles* *does Scooby-Doo/Muttley laugh*
Ho, ho, I've been waiting over 10 years for this rant.

The only reason people think Mask of the Phantasm is a "Batman Year One" movie is because they actually acknowledge Batman's origin story (something the Fox Kids censors on the television show largely forbid - The Batman vs Dracula talks about his origin too, but I've never heard anyone claim that film is based on Year One) and because of ONE SCENE of Bruce Wayne going out fighting criminals before becoming Batman and getting his butt kicked.
Sub-Zero was better. Yeah, it was a quick and dirty cash in, but it also starred Mr. Freeze, had Robin and Batgirl in it, and continued into the main show AND Batman Beyond.
And Mask of the Phantasm is one of the three (three? Or more?) stories that kill off the Joker, only for him to walk right back onto the show like nothing happened without anyone mentioning it in any way. Greatest animated show of all time, folks.
Plus, you know, nostalgia. And yet, even as kids, my brother and I watched it on home video and said it wasn't all that good.
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Re: DC Comics Reboot
« Reply #1599 on: January 12, 2021, 03:06:39 AM »
Oh, I was informed of the mini. Looking forward to it, even with Quick's dumber than normal design.

I'm also with ss on this one, btw. Mask is ok, but a lot of it hinges on a relationship to a character we've never heard of before being Bruce's one true love for this one movie and never showing up outside a cameo in epilogue. Don't get me wrong, it's a gorgeous film, and the voice acting is superior... But I get more out of UtRH just because the antagonist isn't a one shot love interest I don't really care about. Even Hush, meh as that one is, properly examines the relationship between Catwoman and Batman and has consequences. Mask just... Is pretty and nostalgic. Even the bits we learn about Joker are retconned in the main series later.
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« Reply #1600 on: January 12, 2021, 03:27:48 AM »
Oh, I was informed of the mini. Looking forward to it, even with Quick's dumber than normal design.

I'm also with ss on this one, btw. Mask is ok, but a lot of it hinges on a relationship to a character we've never heard of before being Bruce's one true love for this one movie and never showing up outside a cameo in epilogue. Don't get me wrong, it's a gorgeous film, and the voice acting is superior... But I get more out of UtRH just because the antagonist isn't a one shot love interest I don't really care about. Even Hush, meh as that one is, properly examines the relationship between Catwoman and Batman and has consequences. Mask just... Is pretty and nostalgic. Even the bits we learn about Joker are retconned in the main series later.

WELL SAID ROBIN! (Incidentally, someone's going to have to explain to me how a series of Zeller's toy commercials from the 80's have better animation than pretty much any show or movie DC's ever put out.)

I always forget about "Batman & Catwoman (or as it's officially called, "Batman: Hush") That does indeed do a good job of bringing CW in, and Damien's cameo (in which he gives Bruce a hard time about dating Catwoman in an absolutely savage manner) makes the whole damn movie (and is a solid double callback)
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« Reply #1601 on: January 12, 2021, 07:44:09 AM »
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  Who knows, maybe Linkara's prediction came through and Booster's Gold's adult film is finally a thing.
 
Not the best choice of word. Or the right one,knowing Linkara.  :D

Anyway,I finished the Wild Storm. Another comic book ashamed of being a comic book. No costumes,no code names (for the most parts),Demonites(just Demons now) are basically good Skrulls,Helspont is now just some mad doctor...So why even bother making this a Wildstorm reboot? You could have changed the names and just do this high concept spy comic you wanted to do.

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« Reply #1602 on: January 12, 2021, 08:56:18 AM »
Hmm, not sounding too good.

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Well, not every comic book is a superhero comic, or even in the sci-fi/fantasy genre. But even still, making Wilstorm less  than Wildstorm doesn't sound too interesting.
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« Reply #1603 on: January 12, 2021, 09:39:12 AM »
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Well, not every comic book is a superhero comic, or even in the sci-fi/fantasy genre.
Im fine with that. I just don't like this superspy sf mashup being sold as a Wildstorm reboot. Its like if a Batman reboot starred some guy called Bruce Wayne who is the top CIA assasin. [Insert your own Killer Elite style disclaimer.]
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« Reply #1604 on: January 12, 2021, 09:45:48 AM »
They did do that with Nightwing. It was called "Grayson". Hey wait a minute...

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« Reply #1605 on: January 12, 2021, 10:53:17 AM »
Why is Tom King hyped so much? Because average redditors are mindblown with Omega Men being Middle East in space,I guess. What a load of cr@p that series was.

Anyway,back to the topic. There was supposed to be a Wildcats spinoff,but it got delayed...and I guess its not happening now when DC canceled everything that doesn't have Batman in it.
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« Reply #1606 on: January 12, 2021, 10:56:16 AM »
Don't forget Vision and Mister Miracle. Though at least Deadpool called out Mister Miracle in Spider-Man/Deadpool.
Also I personally blame the comic press for the hype myself.
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« Reply #1607 on: January 12, 2021, 11:08:11 AM »
I haven't read those,but I did read Omega Man. Characters speak in nothing but exposition and soap box lectures. In case the reader is too stupid the figure out the "subtle" analogies,somebody makes a speech about their dudes being basically Israel in space.
Also,somehow the American army is mining planets halfway across the galaxy and its all their fault. This doesn't make any sense,Rick!
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« Reply #1608 on: January 12, 2021, 11:24:01 AM »
I'm pretty sure this is at least the third time we've talked about this. And I'm reasonably sure I mentioned I read the first issue of Vision and didn't think it was all that special.
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« Reply #1609 on: January 12, 2021, 11:55:46 AM »
Because all the cr@p DC does somehow leads back to Tom King. On my list of worst comics Omega Men lands between Shadow Cabinet and Hyperion vs Nighthawk.

Well,now I got Batmans Grave to get thru.

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« Reply #1610 on: January 12, 2021, 12:34:01 PM »
Well before that the joke was that every bad thing in DC from the 2000's forward leads back to Countdown to Final Crisis. Though one person I know pointed out that even before that, and even before Identity Crisis, a lot of DC's forward trajectory started with Titans: Graduation Day.
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« Reply #1611 on: January 12, 2021, 06:13:33 PM »
Aaaaand done with Batman's Grave. The name doesn't really connect to the plot. There isn't much of the plot there. The villain,Scorn,is building an army. And most of the comic is Batman beating on his goons before the big fight with Scorn. This should have been 3-4 issues tops,but its Warren Ellis and Bryan Hitch so its a 12 issue series.
Alfred is pretty funny,even if a bit out of character.
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« Reply #1612 on: January 13, 2021, 12:26:56 PM »
All I want to know is:

1) Does Warren Ellis pad out the already padded out story with a new, important character walking into town and haggling over the price of an apple in what is clearly supposed to be a character establishing moment? (This would be a Castlevania S3 reference)

2) Does Warren Ellis write a pre-established character giving Ellis' the character's thoughts on rugby and/or European Football for no specific reason?

3) Is there a reference to the Gorilliaz song "Clint Eastwood"? ("Finally, someone let me out of my Grave...." - for added meta, this song was featured in the Freedom Force Suicide Squad mod, which actually was my gateway to the Suicide Squad themselves. Imagine my surprise and delight when Deadshot showed up early in Justice League with a voice surprisingly similar to the one he had in the mod, not mention Waller becoming a MAJOR character in JLU)

Now in fairness, the word is actually "cage" BUT the music video heavily uses zombies rising out of the grave, which means I get away with that "boner" Scott Free.
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« Reply #1613 on: January 13, 2021, 12:55:12 PM »
It opens and ends on Bruce's grave spot in the garden next to his parents...and thats all about the grave part. The title doesn't come into play...ever.
2) Just football. And I don't think so.

4) Does Warren Ellis nuke Moscow? Strangely,no. Come to think of it,he didn't do it in Wild Storm either IIRC.
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« Reply #1614 on: January 14, 2021, 02:40:03 AM »
Back to Tom King (though this would count as Marvel as well). I started reading Tom King's Vision again, starting once again with the first issue, in anticipation for Wandavision, and....nope, it's still not good. In fact, it's worse than I remember.
It's dull. Painfully dull. Flat, repetitive dialogue (even them being synthetic lifeforms with reduced emotion and humanity is no excuse for this lack of energy), Vision and his wife taking two pages to argue semantics over the phrase "they seemed nice." While Vision out of nowhere says "Perusing a set goal using logic is the pathway of tyranny. Like my creator, Ultron." And I'm like WHAT THE FRONT FLIPPING HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!!!

This thing's 12 issues. I don't know if I'm going to be able to make it past 3. I think I'd rather read just about anything else.

And it's a shame, because I'm like 70-90% sure Viv is in Wandavision. But you know what? I've read the vast majority of comics featuring her. I think I'm good.
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