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Offline HarryTrotter

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Re: DC Comics Reboot
« Reply #1620 on: February 23, 2021, 12:59:10 PM »
Deadshot. Typo on my part.

Yeah,Streets of Gotham and Dini's Detective run. Everyone should read it. Apparently,Gotham used to be the Atlantic City of [ wherever the hell it is,somewhere around New York].

Yeah,Arkham Knight arc is kinda similar to Victim Syndicate,but with established villains. Since she thinks they are all just victims and good guys and Batman is a bully.
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Re: DC Comics Reboot
« Reply #1621 on: February 23, 2021, 02:22:29 PM »
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Yeah,Streets of Gotham and Dini's Detective run. Everyone should read it.

I should put it on the list.

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Since she thinks they are all just victims and good guys and Batman is a bully.

Villains often think they are the heroes of their own stories.

"Y'all think you're the heroes of this little adventure, but you're not."
~Handsome Jack, the villain of Borderlands 2, and a total heel.

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Re: DC Comics Reboot
« Reply #1622 on: February 23, 2021, 03:11:52 PM »
Well,she was raised by Arkham inmates and blames Batman for the death of her mother. Again,Jeremiah Arkham having a wife and her dying in a prison riot seems like a thing Batman should already know. Like,he was there.
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Re: DC Comics Reboot
« Reply #1623 on: February 23, 2021, 03:30:31 PM »
Was that tying into an earlier story by a different writer or was it a retcon in that book? Because if it was the latter, then that's bizarrely sloppy on the part of that writer.

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« Reply #1624 on: February 23, 2021, 04:06:07 PM »
It came out of nowhere,afaik.
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Re: DC Comics Reboot
« Reply #1625 on: February 28, 2021, 05:43:41 AM »
Speaking of recent Batman comics.....

I did a thing.

I'm been chipping away at some Batman/Joker/Scott Snyder material (fun fact, my plumber is named Scott Snyder  :P And the irony of that just creeped me out big time)

And I started reading Joker 80th Anniversary from about a year or so ago. And I read the Punchline story.

YIKES.

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(And yes, I know Harley isn't with Joker, but I'm not using that crappy half-baked Punchline.)

I think you undersold it.

I don't know if Punchline is the worst villain I've ever seen in fiction, if not, she's close. She's just the worst. She's not fun or hammy, tragic, sympathetic or relatable, fascinating or creepy, or a challenge to the good guys in an interesting way, she's just gross and unpleasant. A witch's brew of almost every bad stereotype about young people in the internet age. She doesn't seem to be intolerant, but that's about it.  I could quote almost any line of dialogue from her initial 10-page story to demonstrate this, but this part in particular stands out:

*poisons the Dean with Joker toxin* "I got the recipe off the internet. I don't know if it's going to work right. You wouldn't believe how many chemicals it takes. I had a good teacher though. Don't fight it Dean Bob, I want it all on camera [takes picture or video recording with smartphone] [...] I've been testing with some of the homeless people under the overpass. You're the first that matters, though."

Well, as a lead in to a Batman crossover, (Joker War), it's a pretty rotten one. I sure hope she's better in that storyline than she is in this story. If she isn't it might be a rough time if I do read it.

Another extra large 9.99 book I picked up very recently is Generations Forged, the direct followup to Shattered Generations. I haven't read it yet, it'll be a long while, but I looked through it for fun, and it's a such a fun, colorful book celebrating the rich history of the DC universe. Two things in particular stood out:

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1. Doctor Light (Kimiyo Hoshi) got a power up by absorbing a large amount of light-based or solar energy, and got a new costume that was a tweaked version of her old costume, but with the multi-pointed star swapped out for a more rounded white-hot sun. I like it quite a bit.

2. From the DC Wiki:

"The comic introduces the concept of "Linearverse" where non-powered heroes like Batman age far slowly than normal and went through all stories that happened in past comics, at least in some form."


Oh DC, never change. Fluctuate less in quality, please, for the love of Rao, but never change. Keep being gloriously insane in that very DC-Comics way.  ^_^
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« Reply #1626 on: April 17, 2021, 04:53:10 AM »
Batman: The Detective #1

I've been told this book was renamed from "Batman: The Dark Knight" to avoid confusion with the universe of The Dark Knight Returns. So instead we get the underwhelming sounding "The Detective" I think "Dark Detective" would have worked better.

It's especially unfortunate because while there is some Detective work, this book is rather similar to the Dark Knight Returns. I picked it up because of the hype and because I'm a fan of Tom Taylor as a writer, and I enjoyed it enough. Kubert's art is pretty good, but he's storytelling is a bit hard to follow in spots.

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It's an alternate future where Batman's older and rustier, we have the second Knight (formerly Squire) and a new Squire, a gang of criminals wearing knockoff Batman outfits, Alfred's apparently passed away, and someone's apparently targeting people who have been rescued by Batman in the past, which Batman describes as trying "undue all the good Batman has done".

One thing I liked, Batman saying that his two fathers, Thomas Wayne and Alfred, were a doctor and a army field medic, respectfully, so he really dislikes it when criminals target hospitals. That's a nice touch. I like that, I'm surprised noone has added that before. Unless they have and I either didn't know or didn't remember.

One thing I wasn't super in love with is Gentleman Ghost. He's in this, but they've opted to redesign him to be more monstrous, in a similar manner to Croc, Bane, Clayface and Venom. Instead of just a dabber gent who is invisible except for his clothes, he looks like a White Martian-esque hulking monster with enormous fangs. That seemed a bit unnecessarily. He is called "Gentleman" Ghost after all. The action scene with him was a bit hard to follow as well.


In other news, a recent issue of the Rorshach miniseries featured Rorshach visiting Frank Miller - yes, really, Frank Miller) and saying he's a huge fan. Um, ok. That was random.

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« Reply #1627 on: April 17, 2021, 05:53:34 PM »
Apparently,its a meta take on the comic industry as viewed thru the lens of pirate dominated comics of the Watchmen world? But its also Tom King.
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« Reply #1628 on: April 17, 2021, 06:36:08 PM »
I'm not sure if that helps.

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« Reply #1629 on: April 17, 2021, 07:38:33 PM »
IDK,because its meta and Tom King thinks he's clever again? Apparently,there are also stand ins for Steve Ditko and Otto Binder. The more I look into it,the more bizarre it gets. (It's like Mark Hamills car accident of comics. Just admit thats why you wrote the wampa scene,George!)
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« Reply #1630 on: April 17, 2021, 11:41:08 PM »
"Hello, Mr. Millar. It is such an honor to meet you. I read Dark Fife over and over again, and I just think it's a masterpiece. It totally changed everything.

I know you probably don't want to be called a legend, 'cause I think that implies you're done, but I'm sorry, sir, you are a legend."

It kinda sounds to me like Tom King doesn't like the criticism Frank Millar gets in the modern era. That's my read, anyway.

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« Reply #1631 on: April 18, 2021, 05:41:39 AM »
Certainly sounds like King is a fan.
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« Reply #1632 on: April 18, 2021, 06:47:18 AM »
And now for something completely different:

Suicide Squad by John Ostrander finds a really clever way to reference/affectionately make fun of Marvel in a way that is a good moment in the story, because this is of course John Ostrander's Suicide Squad.

Waller: Ramban, you got anything up your sleeve?

Ramban: Magic doesn't work that way, Mrs. Waller! Each spell has to be prepared --!

Waller: Can you FAKE it?

Ramban [waving wand with energy crackling off it]: Drop your weapon, woman, or be prepared for the torments of Hell! By the Hoary Hosts of Hoggoth--!

[distracts enemy long enough for them to dispatch them]

"'The Hoary Hosts of --' WHAT?"

Ramban: I read it in a comic when I was small.

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« Reply #1633 on: August 03, 2021, 07:29:03 PM »
Batman: Reptilian #1 and #2 This feels like something from 1996,and I don't mean that as a compliment. Thou 1996 Garth Ennis would do a better job,I would bet. And his take on Batman is...weird. From the overly theatrical way of talking (You wretched cur!) to stabbing a guy in broad daylight in front of a courthouse. So something is hurting the Bat-villains,but not killing them,because we couldn't just make this an Elseworld story.
-Riddler has been gutted!
-Is he dead?
-No, he's in the hospital.
So like, what are the stakes here? And the artwork...not Sharp's best. Barely his style, actually. It's this painted,muddy Bisley-like mess.
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« Reply #1634 on: August 03, 2021, 08:41:47 PM »
Sounds kinda like Neil Adams' Batman Odyssey. That had a Batman that talked and behaved strangely as well.

I've seen advertisements for Batman: Reptilian and it certainly seemed like an odd project. I guess their mentality is just that Batman books will always sell to a certain degree so they'll just change up the creative teams and let them do their thing, and hope that faithful readers will read them specifically for those creators.

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Re: DC Comics Reboot
« Reply #1635 on: September 02, 2021, 05:24:46 AM »
Hey neighbors, hope all is well for everyone. Random here but I had to drop this. A friend was pointing out how unusual it was that the first two guys were so excited about the prospect of seeing a bird or plane (which instead turned out to be Superman of course). That led to a bit of a trivia argument which is "What are the names of the two guys who said 'It's a bird!' 'It's a plane!'" Something for anyone to chew over if they want.