Batman the Animated Series or The Batman?

doctorchallenger · February 21, 2009, 01:40:55 AM

Zulu's analysis nailed it. BTAS in terms of overall stroytelling an production value is far superior, but my son who is an absolute Bat-fanatic loved The Batman. And my wife, who is not a big superhero fan sees the merits of all the animated versions (including Brave and the Bold).

The Hitman · February 21, 2009, 03:33:22 PM

Super Friends. With Casey Kasem as Robin.

Overthrower · February 23, 2009, 06:57:16 AM

Quote from: The Hitman on February 21, 2009, 03:33:22 PM
Super Friends. With Casey Kasem as Robin.

Lmao that's awesome, I completely forgot what he sounded like until I read that,lol.

electro · March 09, 2009, 04:32:34 AM

Batman the Animated series hands down - Batman's Suit in the cartoon is the best i've ever seen it designed - It is dark on the outside so when he needs to cloak up he can but the underside O the cape is blue & he has his yellow & black target bat logo on the chest with a cool gray tone for the rest of the suit - Dark/Campy/Awesome

Bat's getting his groove on

Kommando · March 09, 2009, 05:46:28 AM

On one hand you have The Batman, on the other you have TAS which spawned 14 years of animated continuity. The Batman had Harley Quinn as a character, TAS gave birth to Harley Quinn, a character so popular she was adopted into the DC verse. The Batman lasted 5 seasons, TAS spawned the entire DCAU verse: Superman, Batman Beyond, Justice League (Unlimited) etc...

Uncle Yuan · March 10, 2009, 02:07:27 PM

I've been watching The Batman, and I enjoy it well enough. I agree that the animation from TAS was pretty hit-or-miss, but you can not deny its writing, voice acting, design and character portrayal where top-notch and influenced animation tremendously.

I heard an (uninformed) analysis recently on how the Watchmen isn't that different from comics today. Of course, the commentator completely missed the fact that it is because of the Watchmen that comics are like that today. A similar argument can be made for TAS.

BentonGrey · March 14, 2009, 09:42:42 PM

Quote from: Kommando on March 09, 2009, 05:46:28 AM
On one hand you have The Batman, on the other you have TAS which spawned 14 years of animated continuity. The Batman had Harley Quinn as a character, TAS gave birth to Harley Quinn, a character so popular she was adopted into the DC verse. The Batman lasted 5 seasons, TAS spawned the entire DCAU verse: Superman, Batman Beyond, Justice League (Unlimited) etc...

Good point Kommando. While you can't always (usually?) judge a show's worth by its success, for B:TAS, the proof is in the pudding.

Xenolith · March 15, 2009, 02:15:59 PM

I agree with that analogy, but taken as an individual series, B:tAS was four seasons long. They figured out how to make it better in Superman, and nailed the formula in the JLA/I cartoon.

Even though B:tAS was four seasons long, I'd bet it had more episodes than The Batman. I think each of the B:tAS seasons had around 26 episode, and The Batman had around 13 each season. 104 vs. 72? Does that sound right?

kkhohoho · March 15, 2009, 03:36:41 PM

Do NOT count "Season 4". It is a different series really, and should not be considered part of Batman: TAS. So, it's actually 85 to 72.

BentonGrey · March 16, 2009, 12:39:04 AM

I think it's actually season 5. The New Batman Adventures was really a different animal that tried to play on the original's popularity. It even used the same opening. Not nearly as good.

docdelorean88 · March 16, 2009, 01:49:37 AM

Ready to throw rotting veggies at me, I liked the New Batman Adventures MORE than Batman the Animated Series and The Batman.

BentonGrey · March 16, 2009, 02:17:03 AM

Quote from: docdelorean88 on March 16, 2009, 01:49:37 AM
Ready to throw rotting veggies at me, I liked the New Batman Adventures MORE than Batman the Animated Series and The Batman.

*SPLAT!*

Terrible art? Check!
Equally terrible character designs? Check!
Kiddie storylines? Check!
Universally weaker writing? Check!
Annoying replacement for Robin? Check!
Highly inappropriate subtext between Batman and Batgirl? Check!

And best of all, Catwoman's inexplicable undead pallor....Big Bluish-White Check!

docdelorean88 · March 16, 2009, 03:13:24 AM

At least batman spoke more than 10 yes 10 words an episode in this one!

BentonGrey · March 16, 2009, 03:48:33 AM

What, you want soliloquies? Batman ain't chatty, but you still got to know the character wonderfully in the TAS.

Xenolith · March 16, 2009, 05:55:08 PM

That is season 4 - not season 5, I believe.

The catwoman change was really weird. That, the Batgirl stuff mentioned above, Nighmullet, and Robin, the Twerp-Wonder killed the entire 4-year run for me.

BentonGrey · March 16, 2009, 06:31:10 PM

Yeah, ha, Nightmullet. According to this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Batman:_The_Animated_Series_episodes

You could classify the "New Batman Adventures" as season 5 and 6, but it is in the DVD volume 4. Still, not the same show at all.

Xenolith · March 16, 2009, 08:02:47 PM

Oh, I see. I thought each of the DVDs I owned was one season. Sorry for the confusion.

BentonGrey · March 16, 2009, 08:13:58 PM

Quote from: Xenolith on March 16, 2009, 08:02:47 PM
Oh, I see. I thought each of the DVDs I owned was one season. Sorry for the confusion.

S'okay, I thought the same thing, and I think I said as much earlier in this very thread!

BWPS · March 17, 2009, 01:25:58 AM

I liked Batman: TAS the whole way through and I didn't realize it changed. but I was a kid... just a kid...

BentonGrey · March 17, 2009, 01:48:10 AM

Well, for all their talk about "not making a kids show, but kids just being part of the audience," Timm and co. sorta' sold out and did exactly that with "New Batman Adventures." It annoys me because instead of two more years of awesome, we got two more years of powerful mediocrity.

Panther_Gunn · March 17, 2009, 09:04:59 PM

Quote from: BentonGrey on March 17, 2009, 01:48:10 AM
Well, for all their talk about "not making a kids show, but kids just being part of the audience," Timm and co. sorta' sold out and did exactly that with "New Batman Adventures." It annoys me because instead of two more years of awesome, we got two more years of powerful mediocrity.

But was it ever as bad as what they (the mysterious, nebulous "they") did to poor Krypto?

BentonGrey · March 17, 2009, 10:07:53 PM

Ha, I wouldn't know, I avoided that one like the plague.

It's also worth noting that "New Batman" came out a few years AFTER the end of the good series. So, you may not have actually caught it, BWPS. I think it came out right around the time of Batman and Robin...and I can only assume that some of the evil from that...project...infected the Timmverse at the time..

Tomato · March 18, 2009, 02:07:08 AM

BTAS only has 80-something percent vote over "The Batman"?

No. "The Batman" was good, but BTAS kicked it's Jackie-Chan-Adventure-style-ripoff hiney.

And be thankful you didn't put B&B on there. I'd have stabbed anyone who liked that more then BTAS right in the face.

docdelorean88 · March 18, 2009, 03:52:01 AM

Quote from: Tomato on March 18, 2009, 02:07:08 AM
And be thankful you didn't put B&B on there. I'd have stabbed anyone who liked that more then BTAS right in the face.

Ahem... Cough...(dive out of the way from knife!)

Tomato · March 18, 2009, 04:04:12 AM

*sigh* I'm going to take a page out of Benton's book here...

Vastly inferior character development? Check
Horrifically simple graphic style? Check
Terrible anti-verse designs Check
Uninspired voice acting? Check
Complete disconnect from the source material? Check
Failure to utilize the limited story potential in the episodes? Check
Characters made so unlikeable I can almost sympathize with Benton? Check

BentonGrey · March 18, 2009, 04:39:09 AM

Quote from: Tomato on March 18, 2009, 04:04:12 AM
*sigh* I'm going to take a page out of Benton's book here...

Vastly inferior character development? Check
Horrifically simple graphic style? Check
Terrible anti-verse designs Check
Uninspired voice acting? Check
Complete disconnect from the source material? Check
Failure to utilize the limited story potential in the episodes? Check
Characters made so unlikeable I can almost sympathize with Benton? Check

Haha, yeah....I agree, even though I sometimes like the show...it just isn't in the same universe as B:TAS. It's like comparing the Mona Lisa to a really nice drawing of a cat your three year old son made...that may be one really sweet looking cat, but it just ain't high art.

By the way, I'm glad someone else agrees with me on the anti-verse designs...they were REALLY weak.

Tomato · March 18, 2009, 04:55:59 AM

Well, it doesn't help that pretty much the ENTIRE reason I sat through the first season was for the Anti-verse stuff... I've always been a bit of a CSA groupie. I'd really been looking forward to seeing what they did with the CSA designs for characters that never really got an official look in the comics, and B&B hardly impressed me.

BentonGrey · April 05, 2009, 05:44:35 PM

Yeah, the skins and skope the community did for anti-verse characters in the DCUG were about a hundred times better than their color reversed versions.

deano_ue · April 11, 2009, 09:58:31 PM

anyone got any shots of the the B&B anti verse

Tomato · April 12, 2009, 01:35:06 AM

http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/bravebold/guides/reviews/12deepcover/

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Batman the Animated Series or The Batman?

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doctorchallenger

The Hitman

Overthrower

electro

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Uncle Yuan

BentonGrey

Xenolith

kkhohoho

BentonGrey

docdelorean88

BentonGrey

docdelorean88

BentonGrey

Xenolith

BentonGrey

Xenolith

BentonGrey

BWPS

BentonGrey

Panther_Gunn

BentonGrey

Tomato

docdelorean88

Tomato

BentonGrey

Tomato

BentonGrey

deano_ue

Tomato