Suicide Squad

USAgent · February 11, 2009, 04:01:54 AM

So I just actually played the Suicide Squad mod for the first time, finally. I am glad I did, why it took so long I don't know. But that got me interested in the Squad now. So I have been reading the original Squad's comics back issues and now I wanna get them characters in the game. But I would like some help and ideas on setting up hero files for these characters (using mostly LP's and JP's newer skins/skopes) I know some of you DC hard cores will have better ideas for me hopefully. I'll post a couple at a time to get some input on them instead of posting them all at once.
This guy I need help on the most:

Shade

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Hero File: suicide shade
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Info:
File Type: FFv3R
Mesh: library\characters\Shade\character.nif
Skin: standard
Material: Flesh
Weight: 170 lbs
AI: CDoppleCop
Voice:

Stats:
Strength: 3 Normal
Speed: 4 Fast
Agility: 3 Normal
Endurance: 4 Hardy
Energy: 5 Very Powerful

Attributes:
Flier
Cosmic Awareness
Fearless
Presence

Powers:
Melee (Melee):
DamageType: Crushing
Magnitude: Low
Energy Point Cost: None
Stun: None
Knockback: None
Swiftness: Normal
Arc: No Arc
Level: 2
Animation Name: melee
Attached FX Name: theant_punch

dimensional travel (Special): (represents his ability to go to the Meta dimension)
Special Type: Cloak of Shadows
Energy Point Cost:
Level: 2
Animation Name: area
Attached FX Name: law_transform

cure mental illness (Direct): (cure madness)
DamageType: Rally The Troops
Magnitude: High
Energy Point Cost: Medium
Range: Medium
Level: 2
Animation Name: ranged
Attached FX Name: law_lifegift

vest aura attack! (Ranged - Beam): (I know his vest doesnt actually attack but the comics make it look like its attacking)
DamageType: Crushing
Magnitude: Medium
Energy Point Cost: Low
Stun: None
Knockback: Medium
Velocity: Normal
Range: Short
Accuracy: Extreme
Level: 2
Animation Name: ranged_2
Attached FX Name: xs_phatpunch (can't find a FX for it)

teleport (Special):
Special Type: Teleport Self
Energy Point Cost:
Level: 2
Animation Name: ranged_3
Attached FX Name: microwave_teleportself

vest -attack repell (Passive Defense):
Block Type:
Success Rating: Occasional
Level: 4
Animation Name:
Attached FX Name:
Damage Blocked: Acid
Radiation
Crushing
Piercing
Energy
Electrical
Cold
Fire
Attacks Blocked: Melee
Ranged
Area

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Rick Flag

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Hero File: suicide rick flag
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Info:
File Type: FFv3R
Mesh: library\characters\male_shoulder_holsters_HEX\character.nif
Skin: rickflag_lp
Material: Flesh
Weight: 170 lbs
AI: CDoppleCop
Voice:

Stats:
Strength: 3 Normal
Speed: 4 Fast
Agility: 4 Agile
Endurance: 4 Hardy
Energy: 3 Minor Energy

Attributes:
Crack Shot
Escapologist

Powers:
knuckle sandwich (Melee):
DamageType: Crushing
Magnitude: Low
Energy Point Cost: None
Stun: None
Knockback: None
Swiftness: Fast
Arc: No Arc
Level: 3
Animation Name: melee_4
Attached FX Name: theant_punch

quick combo (Melee):
DamageType: Crushing
Magnitude: Low
Energy Point Cost: Low
Stun: None
Knockback: None
Swiftness: Fast
Arc: No Arc
Level: 3
Animation Name: melee_14
Attached FX Name: theant_punch

single shot (Ranged - Projectile):
DamageType: Piercing
Magnitude: Low
Energy Point Cost: None
Stun: None
Knockback: None
Velocity: Fast
Radius: No Arc
Range: Medium
Accuracy: Extreme
Level: 3
Animation Name: ranged_gun
Attached FX Name: blackjack_pistolshots

pistol shots (Ranged - Projectile):
DamageType: Piercing
Magnitude: Low
Energy Point Cost: Low
Stun: Low
Knockback: None
Velocity: Fast
Radius: No Arc
Range: Medium
Accuracy: Extreme
Level: 3
Animation Name: ranged_gun_2
Attached FX Name: blackjack_pistolshots

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Jakew · February 11, 2009, 05:41:16 AM

Shade's M-Vest could take the shape of an opponents greatest fear. He was also super-strong with the vest ... like, as a strong as a New God.

So I'd up the strength and give him a fear-causing attribute.

Rick Flag was probably just below Batman / Bronze Tiger level re: hand-to-hand. I'd also give him a leadership attribute, as well as a mental weakness attribute (nervous breakdowns, brainwashing). Other than that, he was a peak-ability soldier.

Writer John Ostrander also gave him a heap of other attributes / super powers recently, but they're probably not relevant...

USAgent · February 11, 2009, 12:34:54 PM

Quote from: Jakew on February 11, 2009, 05:41:16 AM
Shade's M-Vest could take the shape of an opponents greatest fear. He was also super-strong with the vest ... like, as a strong as a New God.

So I'd up the strength and give him a fear-causing attribute.

He already has the Presence attribute, and I havn't seen him use any acts of super strength in the comics yet, nor can I find any info online about him having super strength, do you know where you got that from Jake? And what should his strength be set at do you think?

laughing paradox · February 11, 2009, 10:10:51 PM

I think your Rick Flag is on point, and I agree with Jake when it comes to him being Weak Minded (Flag is a mental wreck) and a leadership attribute. Maybe give him one more Nimble? He fought Batman to a near standstill, which is a surprising feat, so his agility should be top notch.

Now Shade.. whom I have to make a skin for!.. was always a confusing character to me. I would have said Shade had super strength as well but now that I'm thinking about it, I can't think of a situation where he's exhibited it. However, he has used his M-Vest force field to attack others with a high intensity. He gave Lashina the smack down with his powers in the Suicide Squad, and she's pretty strong to begin with. So while he may not have super strength, per se, he does have high powered punches, thanks to the vest. I'd make it a medium/high-powered attack with medium/high knockback.

BentonGrey · February 11, 2009, 10:29:09 PM

One thing I really liked about Rick Flag in the SS mod was that he had a few missions where he would "run out of ammo" and have to drop down to a lesser gun. I model that in more real-time with energy tanks, so that he only has a certain amount of ammo on a mission before he's down to his knife and fists.

USAgent · February 12, 2009, 12:59:45 AM

Thanks for the replies guys, I updated the hero files accordingly. Benton, that was a good idea they had with Flag running out of ammo when he had a big gun, then resorting to smaller pistols after using up ammo. I personally don't wanna use the energy tanks with Flag though mainly because I have his melee combo using low energy and that would mean that he wouldnt be able to use his combo anymore, plus I like to give my characters with guns a zero energy single pistol low damage shot kinda like Blackjack and Tombstone has in FFV3R (But theirs are 3 shots).
I upped his agility, gave him "weak minded", "Coordinator", and gave him a low damage knife attack.

Rick Flag:

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Hero File: suicide rick flag
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Info:
File Type: FFv3R
Mesh: library\characters\male_shoulder_holsters_HEX\character.nif
Skin: rickflag_lp
Material: Flesh
Weight: 170 lbs
AI: CDoppleCop
Voice:

Stats:
Strength: 3 Normal
Speed: 4 Fast
Agility: 5 Very Agile
Endurance: 4 Hardy
Energy: 3 Minor Energy

Attributes:
Crack Shot
Escapologist
Weak Minded
Coordinator

Powers:
knuckle sandwich (Melee):
DamageType: Crushing
Magnitude: Low
Energy Point Cost: None
Stun: None
Knockback: None
Swiftness: Fast
Arc: No Arc
Level: 3
Animation Name: melee_4
Attached FX Name: theant_punch

quick combo (Melee):
DamageType: Crushing
Magnitude: Low
Energy Point Cost: Low
Stun: None
Knockback: None
Swiftness: Fast
Arc: No Arc
Level: 3
Animation Name: melee_14
Attached FX Name: theant_punch

knife slash (Melee):
DamageType: Piercing
Magnitude: Low
Energy Point Cost: None
Stun: Low
Knockback: None
Swiftness: Fast
Arc: No Arc
Level: 3
Animation Name: melee
Attached FX Name: icequeen_slash

single shot (Ranged - Projectile):
DamageType: Piercing
Magnitude: Low
Energy Point Cost: None
Stun: None
Knockback: None
Velocity: Fast
Radius: No Arc
Range: Medium
Accuracy: Extreme
Level: 3
Animation Name: ranged_gun
Attached FX Name: blackjack_pistolshots

pistol shots (Ranged - Projectile):
DamageType: Piercing
Magnitude: Low
Energy Point Cost: Low
Stun: Low
Knockback: None
Velocity: Fast
Radius: No Arc
Range: Medium
Accuracy: Extreme
Level: 3
Animation Name: ranged_gun_2
Attached FX Name: blackjack_pistolshots

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For Shade I gave him a "vest" enhanced attack (I didnt know what to call it) With 15 damage and high KB, but I don't think knockback works if the strength is below a certain number.

Shade:

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Hero File: suicide shade
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Info:
File Type: FFv3R
Mesh: library\characters\Shade\character.nif
Skin: standard
Material: Flesh
Weight: 170 lbs
AI: CDoppleCop
Voice:

Stats:
Strength: 3 Normal
Speed: 4 Fast
Agility: 3 Normal
Endurance: 4 Hardy
Energy: 5 Very Powerful

Attributes:
Flier
Cosmic Awareness
Fearless
Presence

Powers:
Melee (Melee):
DamageType: Crushing
Magnitude: Low
Energy Point Cost: None
Stun: None
Knockback: None
Swiftness: Normal
Arc: No Arc
Level: 2
Animation Name: melee
Attached FX Name: theant_punch

vest enhanced attack (Melee):
DamageType: Crushing
Magnitude: High
Energy Point Cost: Low
Stun: None
Knockback: High
Swiftness: Normal
Arc: No Arc
Level: 2
Animation Name: melee_4
Attached FX Name: energy_punch

dimensional travel (Special):
Special Type: Cloak of Shadows
Energy Point Cost:
Level: 2
Animation Name: area
Attached FX Name: law_transform

cure mental illness (Direct):
DamageType: Rally The Troops
Magnitude: High
Energy Point Cost: Medium
Range: Medium
Level: 2
Animation Name: ranged
Attached FX Name: law_lifegift

vest aura attack! (Ranged - Beam):
DamageType: Crushing
Magnitude: Medium
Energy Point Cost: Medium
Stun: None
Knockback: Medium
Velocity: Normal
Range: Short
Accuracy: Extreme
Level: 2
Animation Name: ranged_2
Attached FX Name: red_glove2

teleport (Special):
Special Type: Teleport Self
Energy Point Cost:
Level: 2
Animation Name: ranged_3
Attached FX Name: microwave_teleportself

vest attack repell (Passive Defense):
Block Type:
Success Rating: Occasional
Level: 4
Animation Name:
Attached FX Name:
Damage Blocked: Acid
Radiation
Crushing
Piercing
Energy
Electrical
Cold
Fire
Attacks Blocked: Melee
Ranged
Area

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Any more help with Shade would be appreciated unless he looks good now. Should he have heavy lifter or something? Would his vest help him pick up things and throw things?

USAgent · February 12, 2009, 01:03:38 AM

Next up is Nemisis, he seems to be a good fighter and his main ability is disguise, and other than the "dsguise" attribute I don't know how else to represent that.

I don't remember seeing him use a "concussion gun" but I read a couple times that he uses one so I game him one.

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Hero File: suicide nemisis
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Info:
File Type: FFv3R
Mesh: library\characters\male_shoulder_holsters_HEX\character.nif
Skin: nemesis_lp
Material: Flesh
Weight: 170 lbs
AI: CDoppleCop
Voice:

Stats:
Strength: 3 Normal
Speed: 4 Fast
Agility: 4 Agile
Endurance: 4 Hardy
Energy: 3 Minor Energy

Attributes:
Acrobatic
Disguise

Powers:
right hook (Melee):
DamageType: Crushing
Magnitude: Low
Energy Point Cost: None
Stun: None
Knockback: None
Swiftness: Fast
Arc: No Arc
Level: 3
Animation Name: melee_11
Attached FX Name: default_punch

martial arts (Melee):
DamageType: Crushing
Magnitude: Low
Energy Point Cost: Low
Stun: Low
Knockback: None
Swiftness: Fast
Arc: No Arc
Level: 3
Animation Name: melee_14
Attached FX Name: default_punch

concussion gun (Ranged - Projectile):
DamageType: Crushing
Magnitude: Medium
Energy Point Cost: Low
Stun: None
Knockback: High
Velocity: Fast
Radius: No Arc
Range: Medium
Accuracy: Extreme
Level: 2
Animation Name: ranged_gun
Attached FX Name: evilcop_energyshot

tranquilizer shots (Ranged - Projectile):
DamageType: Piercing
Magnitude: Very Low
Energy Point Cost: Low
Stun: Very High
Knockback: None
Velocity: Normal
Radius: No Arc
Range: Medium
Accuracy: Extreme
Level: 2
Animation Name: ranged_gun_2
Attached FX Name: javelin

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Jakew · February 12, 2009, 01:14:03 AM

Quote from: USAgent on February 11, 2009, 12:34:54 PM
Quote from: Jakew on February 11, 2009, 05:41:16 AM
Shade's M-Vest could take the shape of an opponents greatest fear. He was also super-strong with the vest ... like, as a strong as a New God.

So I'd up the strength and give him a fear-causing attribute.

He already has the Presence attribute, and I havn't seen him use any acts of super strength in the comics yet, nor can I find any info online about him having super strength, do you know where you got that from Jake? And what should his strength be set at do you think?

I got that mainly from his being able to smack Lashina, a super-strong New God, around (during the issue laughing paradox mentioned).

Maybe Nemesis should have some sort of "second wind" attribute? He seems to have died/faked death a few times.

USAgent · February 14, 2009, 09:28:29 PM

Quote from: Jakew on February 12, 2009, 01:14:03 AM
Quote from: USAgent on February 11, 2009, 12:34:54 PM
Quote from: Jakew on February 11, 2009, 05:41:16 AM
Shade's M-Vest could take the shape of an opponents greatest fear. He was also super-strong with the vest ... like, as a strong as a New God.

So I'd up the strength and give him a fear-causing attribute.

He already has the Presence attribute, and I havn't seen him use any acts of super strength in the comics yet, nor can I find any info online about him having super strength, do you know where you got that from Jake? And what should his strength be set at do you think?

I got that mainly from his being able to smack Lashina, a super-strong New God, around (during the issue laughing paradox mentioned).

Maybe Nemesis should have some sort of "second wind" attribute? He seems to have died/faked death a few times.

Good idea Jake, I'll look for a attribute like that, I'll probably end up with another hero point for him though.

Black Orchid- here is another character I am not to sure about, I know she is bullet proof along with invunerability to some extent, plus is kinda strong and can fly, but I read in my research that she can hypnotise people along with changing her appearance. Is that right?

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Hero File: suicide black orchid
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Info:
File Type: FFv3R
Mesh: library\characters\blackorchid\character.nif
Skin: blackorchid_lp
Material: Flesh
Weight: 170 lbs
AI: CDoppleCop
Voice:

Stats:
Strength: 5 Very Strong
Speed: 5 Very Fast
Agility: 4 Agile
Endurance: 5 Very Hardy
Energy: 3 Minor Energy

Attributes:
Flier
Disguise
Armored
Solid Skeleton
Physical Resistance

Powers:
wham! (Melee):
DamageType: Crushing
Magnitude: High
Energy Point Cost: Low
Stun: None
Knockback: High
Swiftness: Normal
Arc: No Arc
Level: 2
Animation Name: melee_3
Attached FX Name: thug_club

boot (Melee):
DamageType: Crushing
Magnitude: Medium
Energy Point Cost: None
Stun: None
Knockback: Low
Swiftness: Normal
Arc: No Arc
Level: 2
Animation Name: melee_2
Attached FX Name: shadow_kick

bullet proof field (Passive Defense):
Block Type:
Success Rating: Very Frequent
Level: 2
Animation Name:
Attached FX Name: sky_king_bulletproof
Damage Blocked: Piercing
Defense Flags: Always Active
Attacks Blocked: Melee
Ranged

hypnotise (Direct):
DamageType: Hypnosis
Magnitude: High
Energy Point Cost: Medium
Stun: None
Knockback: None
Range: Short
Level: 2
Animation Name: ranged_4
Attached FX Name: hypno_eyes

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Captain Boomerang- basicly the same hero file as my old DCV captian boomerang hero file.

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Hero File: suicide captain boomerang
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Info:
File Type: FFv3R
Mesh: library\characters\CaptainBoomerangCS\character.nif
Skin: captainboomerang_lp
Material: Flesh
Weight: 170 lbs
AI: CGenericHero
Voice:

Stats:
Strength: 2 Weak
Speed: 4 Fast
Agility: 5 Very Agile
Endurance: 3 Normal
Energy: 4 Powerful

Attributes:
Crack Shot
Timid

Powers:
punch (Melee):
DamageType: Crushing
Magnitude: Low
Energy Point Cost: None
Stun: None
Knockback: None
Swiftness: Normal
Arc: No Arc
Level: 2
Animation Name: melee_4
Attached FX Name: theant_punch

razor boomerang (Ranged - Projectile):
DamageType: Piercing
Magnitude: Low
Energy Point Cost: Low
Stun: None
Knockback: None
Velocity: Fast
Radius: No Arc
Range: Long
Accuracy: Extreme
Max Instances: 3
Level: 5
Animation Name: ranged_2
Attached FX Name: batarang_edged
Power Flags: Flight Spawn

bafflerang (Ranged - Explosive Projectile):
DamageType: Mental Blank
Magnitude: High
Energy Point Cost: Low
Stun: Medium
Knockback: None
Velocity: Fast
Radius: 90 Degrees
Range: Long
Accuracy: Extreme
Level: 2
Animation Name: ranged_2
Attached FX Name: boomerang_smoke

bomberang (Ranged - Explosive Projectile):
DamageType: Heat
Magnitude: High
Energy Point Cost: Medium
Stun: None
Knockback: Medium
Velocity: Fast
Radius: 90 Degrees
Range: Long
Accuracy: Extreme
Level: 2
Animation Name: ranged_2
Attached FX Name: boomerang_explosive

gravity boomerang (Ranged - Projectile):
DamageType: Density Max
Magnitude: High
Energy Point Cost: Low
Stun: None
Knockback: None
Velocity: Normal
Radius: No Arc
Range: Medium
Accuracy: Extreme
Level: 2
Animation Name: ranged_2
Attached FX Name: boomarang_gravity

blunt boomerang (Ranged - Projectile):
DamageType: Crushing
Magnitude: Low
Energy Point Cost: None
Stun: None
Knockback: None
Velocity: Normal
Radius: No Arc
Range: Medium
Accuracy: Extreme
Level: 2
Animation Name: ranged
Attached FX Name: boomerang_centre

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laughing paradox · February 15, 2009, 12:56:42 PM

People with a disguise attribute are difficult to pull off in this kind of game. Nemesis, Mystique, whomever.. it's always hard to mimic that in the game. I may be mistaken, but I think Nemesis also uses a regular gun, so maybe a piercing ranged to mimic an actual bullet?

Captain Boomerang should be exactly as you have it, that's perfect.

Black Orchid looks really good, too, so I'm not sure what other suggestions I could offer to change her up.

Wait a moment.. most times that I've seen, especially in the Rumble Room, the AI-controlled characters don't attack civilians.. only the police officers embedded on the map. What if you have Shapeshift, instead of Disguise, and have them shapeshift into an in-game civilian character. You can tweak the m25ai file so that they would shapeshift only at a certain distance away from their foe, but it would be more lax than disguise....

I think I'd like to know what feature of the in-game civilian makes it so that the AI-controlled characters don't attack and then go from there.

rmt · February 15, 2009, 03:35:18 PM

I think it's the other way around LP. It's the villain AI choice that decides if they kill civilians or not. A few have that as a natural kill goal; most do not and therefore won't attack unless the script has told them to go after that class. All villain AI types are naturally hostile to all heroes, and I believe police, which is why you're seeing the difference.

In the Suicide Squad comic, Nemesis was basically a good fighter with regular weapons (usually a pistol, but I believe he had a machine gun when the Female Furies attacked to bust Godfrey out -- would have to confirm my recollection). His Who's Who entry talks about the ice bullets that paralyze and a concussion gun that can blow holes in metal, but I never saw either. I'm assuming they're from his original appearances in the Brave and the Bold but it's been forever since I read those.

I have updated most of the hero files from this mod back when I received permission to update the whole mod, which I never got around to finishing. But it was still for FF1, just with newer art and characters, so I don't know that I can help you much on your designs. Overall however, it sounds like you're doing well on the files.

USAgent · February 15, 2009, 08:13:31 PM

Ok, I gave him a pistol shot (single shot, low damage, no energy) since it looks like he carries a regular gun as well. I read about the ice bullets too RMT but since they would be about the same as the tranquilizers I stuck with the tranquilizers.
Also, too bad you didn't get that update to the SS mod done, the first one was one of the bests mods out there but with dated meshes/skins/and abilities.
LP I think the Disguise attribute sounds like what your describing (it can be only activated at a certain distance from enemies) except I am not sure that the AI will tell a character to use the disguise ability on its own.

Here is what I have for Dutchess right now.

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Dutchess
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Hero File: suicide duchess
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Info:
File Type: FFv3R
Mesh: library\characters\duchessRMT\character.nif
Skin: standard
Material: Flesh
Weight: 170 lbs
AI: CGenericHero
Voice:

Stats:
Strength: 5 Very Strong
Speed: 4 Fast
Agility: 5 Very Agile
Endurance: 6 Extremely Hardy
Energy: 4 Powerful

Attributes:
Solid Skeleton
Grim Resolve

Powers:
punch (Melee):
DamageType: Crushing
Magnitude: Medium
Energy Point Cost: None
Stun: None
Knockback: Low
Swiftness: Fast
Arc: No Arc
Level: 2
Animation Name: melee_6
Attached FX Name: theant_punch

dutchess decking! (Melee):
DamageType: Crushing
Magnitude: High
Energy Point Cost: Low
Stun: Medium
Knockback: High
Swiftness: Fast
Arc: No Arc
Level: 2
Animation Name: melee_4
Attached FX Name: supercollider_headbutt

single shot (Ranged - Projectile):
DamageType: Piercing
Magnitude: Low
Energy Point Cost: None
Stun: None
Knockback: None
Velocity: Fast
Radius: No Arc
Range: Long
Accuracy: High
Level: 4
Animation Name: ranged_rifle_3
Attached FX Name: thug_gun

bullet barrage (Ranged - Projectile):
DamageType: Piercing
Magnitude: Low
Energy Point Cost: Medium
Stun: Low
Knockback: Low
Velocity: Fast
Radius: No Arc
Range: Long
Accuracy: High
Level: 2
Animation Name: ranged_rifle_2
Attached FX Name: thug_gun

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I have read that while she was the Dutchess her weapon was a energy type gun, but from what I saw it looks like she just use a heavy machine gun that sprays bullets everywhere. So I gave her a piercing machine gun type attack. I know there are some more attributes out there to match her crazed vicious type of personality.

rmt · February 15, 2009, 08:36:23 PM

Duchess used a "mega-gun" that she built herself. It was never clear to me exactly what the ammunition was but I would have presumed some sort of explosive shell rather than energy. Duchess appeared much tougher and stronger than when she was Lashina -- for example, ripping the tail off of Manticore II. I never got the impression that Lashina was THAT strong, so I think your rating is decent.

On updating the SS mod, it's a combination of distraction with my own mods which are perhaps a bit nearer and dearer to my heart, and the difficulty of trying to be faithful to the original modder's levels while wanting to add so many other characters (People's Heroes, Female Furies, Duchess, Plastique, Force of July, etc.). The last paper version approved by C/S was 50+ levels, designed in part to add Duchess and the Apokolips fight.

All in all, I think I'd rather code my Tbolts mod.

USAgent · February 15, 2009, 09:48:59 PM

A T-Bolts mods would definatly rank way above a SS mod remake in my eyes! Since I am a rather large T-bolt fan and only just starting to get to know the SS, but your description of your addons sound pretty cool (I am up to the Apokolips battle now inthe comics)

As for Dutchess's strength, I also didn't think she was that strong either. My Lashina hero file only has a strength of 3 (but I upped it to 5 after reading some SS issues with her in it.

rmt · February 15, 2009, 10:47:04 PM

I had her as:

Strength 5
Speed 4
Agility 5
Endurance 5
Energy 6

in my notes, which means we're pretty much right in line with each other. The only things that were different were endurance (and I code health manually) and energy (and I can't stand to see them run out of each other).

The T-Bolts mod I wanted to do was the Ellis books. Not my favorite writer normally and I know a lot of fans think he ruined the series. But the possibility of sharp dialogue between the characters, betrayals, ulterior motives, limited opportunity for redemption... -- it practically is the new Suicide Squad.

Besides, I'm fascinated with the thought of having to find a way to make it challenging to take down Jack Flag. Of course knowing me, I'd make the player play Jack and last 10 minutes with the full Tbolt squad.

USAgent · February 16, 2009, 11:26:28 PM

Quote from: rmt on February 15, 2009, 10:47:04 PM

Besides, I'm fascinated with the thought of having to find a way to make it challenging to take down Jack Flag. Of course knowing me, I'd make the player play Jack and last 10 minutes with the full Tbolt squad.

Now that would be a tough one either way. Either trying to find a way to make the fight against Flag interesting enough (he could use his "boom box" weapons from his original appearances for some help, but he is just athletic and real strong otherwise) or having him go up against the T-bolts would be near impossible. I was very much enjoying the T-bolts run when they were tracking down those 2nd stringers and getting some of their butts kicks in the process (Americop, Flag, Steel Spider, American Eagle...)

Anyway back on the SS Hero files.
Here is the Enchantress. Now I know she should have alot more magic abilities than I gave her, but the only thing I really saw her doing was energy blasts and physical attacking. Everything else I just got from the web. I could use alot of help with her as well. Should I give her the normal magic powers (Hex, power null, statis, ect..)

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Hero File: suicide enchantress
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Info:
   File Type: FFv3R
   Mesh:    library\characters\enchantress_dc\character.nif
   Skin:    standard
   Material:    Flesh
   Weight:    170 lbs
   AI:    CDoppleCop
   Voice: SH

Stats:
   Strength:    4 Strong
   Speed: 4 Fast
   Agility: 4 Agile
   Endurance: 5 Very Hardy
   Energy:    6 Extremely Powerful

Attributes:
   Flier
   Fast Healing
   Hot Tempered



Powers:
   wicked scratch (Melee):
   DamageType: Piercing
   Magnitude:    Medium
   Energy Point Cost:   None
   Stun: None
   Knockback:    None
   Swiftness:    Fast
   Arc:    No Arc
   Level:    2
   Animation Name: melee
   Attached FX Name: evilfemale_scratch

   eldritch bolt (Ranged - Projectile):
   DamageType: Energy
   Magnitude:    High
   Energy Point Cost:   Low
   Stun: Low
   Knockback:    Medium
   Velocity: Fast
   Radius: No Arc
   Range:    Medium
   Accuracy: High
   Level:    2
   Animation Name: ranged
   Attached FX Name: green_bolts

   transformation (Ranged - Beam):
   DamageType: Toadify
   Magnitude:    High
   Energy Point Cost:   Medium
   Stun: None
   Knockback:    None
   Velocity: Normal
   Range:    Medium
   Accuracy: Extreme
   Level:    2
   Animation Name: ranged
   Attached FX Name: emrald_blast

   dispersal (Special):
   Special Type: Cloak of Shadows
   Energy Point Cost:
   Level:    2
   Animation Name: ranged_5
   Attached FX Name: purpledarkmen_cloak

   teleportation (Special):
   Special Type: Teleport Self
   Energy Point Cost:
   Level:    2
   Animation Name: area
   Attached FX Name: wraith_manta_teleportation

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rmt · February 17, 2009, 01:34:06 AM

If you're doing the SS version, no, and in fact you should probably take away the eldritch bolts. If you're doing the Shadowpact version, yes.

She's a very changed character. I don't know the middle part, so could be my problem. But right now she's basically a heroic sorceress. She was anything but in SS.

In SS, she was the alter ego of June Moone. When June said the word "Enchantress" she transformed, but had a lot of trouble saying the word again to change back. She usually had to be forced to do so. Bronze Tiger carried a ring that caused a mystic feedback loop whenever Enchantress got out of control, which is usually what was used to keep her in line. Then Nightshade's brother Larry the Incubus ripped the Enchantress soul out of June and placed it in Eve, leaving Enchantress basically powerless. As I said, I don't know how it got from there to Shadowpact as I didn't reach many comics in the 90's.

When she was in SS, her power was basically limited to transmutation and only of inanimate objects. The most prolific uses were changing attacks into something harmless like snow (forget the name, but there's an FFX attribute that changes projectiles to flowers, which is perfect for E); and burning the clothes of her opponents, though she would claim it took to long to kill them. She was quite blood thirsty.

I never saw anything quite like puppet master, but that might not be beyond the realm of possibility. But more likely she would be igniting people, turning something on their person to acid, that sort of thing.

USAgent · February 17, 2009, 04:06:12 AM

Yeah, I would like to stick with her SS apearences abilities (or any abilities that where shown prior to SS). So I should probably remove the "toadify" ability which I knew that her transmutation was only performed on objects but I coldnt think of anyway to simulate that. But turning her foes clothing to acid of igniting them is a good way. I gave her a acid and heat attack to simulate that, but should they be direct attacks or would she fire a beam to cause that effect? She never fired off magic blasts in SS? I could of swore I saw her firing off some kinds of magic energy blasts in ss, but I might be wrong on that.

laughing paradox · February 17, 2009, 05:30:17 PM

I would give Enchantress the Transmutator attribute (changing the fx) as well as Berserker, as she was prone to attack her allies as well as her foes.

I do remember her using power blasts as well in SS, so that should be there. It was more of a beam than a projectile, if I can recall that correctly.

She also used a sheathe of flames as an active defense, probably protecting her against the elements. It seems she can also redirect projectiles, like giant rocks, so that could be a low- or medium-level passive defense.

The direct fire attack is a great idea. That's definitely something she could do.

TAP43 · February 17, 2009, 07:58:36 PM

I remember a scene in the Legends storyline were she changed shrapnel into flower petals, so you could use anti_war zone attribute also.

USAgent · February 17, 2009, 10:55:53 PM

Thanks for the input on her Tap and LP, her hero file is looking way better with what all you guys have given me so far.

Here is what I have now:

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Hero File: suicide enchantress
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Info:
File Type: FFv3R
Mesh: library\characters\enchantress_dc\character.nif
Skin: standard
Material: Flesh
Weight: 170 lbs
AI: CDoppleCop
Voice: SH

Stats:
Strength: 4 Strong
Speed: 4 Fast
Agility: 4 Agile
Endurance: 5 Very Hardy
Energy: 6 Extremely Powerful

Attributes:
Flier
Fast Healing
Transmutator
Berserker
Anti War Zone

Powers:
wicked scratch (Melee):
DamageType: Piercing
Magnitude: Medium
Energy Point Cost: None
Stun: None
Knockback: None
Swiftness: Fast
Arc: No Arc
Level: 2
Animation Name: melee
Attached FX Name: evilfemale_scratch

eldritch bolt (Ranged - Beam):
DamageType: Energy
Magnitude: High
Energy Point Cost: Low
Stun: None
Knockback: Low
Velocity: Fast
Range: Medium
Accuracy: High
Level: 2
Animation Name: ranged
Attached FX Name: enchantress_beam

turn clothing to acid (Direct):
DamageType: Acid
Magnitude: Medium
Energy Point Cost: Low
Stun: None
Knockback: None
Range: Medium
Level: 2
Animation Name: ranged_6
Attached FX Name: ffx_geniepuff

combust clothing (Direct):
DamageType: Heat
Magnitude: Medium
Energy Point Cost: Low
Stun: None
Knockback: None
Range: Medium
Level: 2
Animation Name: ranged_6
Attached FX Name: eldiablo_ignite

dispersal (Special):
Special Type: Cloak of Shadows
Energy Point Cost:
Level: 2
Animation Name: ranged_5
Attached FX Name: purpledarkmen_cloak

teleportation (Special):
Special Type: Teleport Self
Energy Point Cost:
Level: 2
Animation Name: area
Attached FX Name: wraith_manta_teleportation

redirect attacks (Passive Defense):
Block Type: Normal
Success Rating: Occasional
Level: 2
Animation Name: melee_b
Attached FX Name:
Damage Blocked: Acid
Radiation
Crushing
Piercing
Energy
Electrical
Cold
Fire
Attacks Blocked: Ranged

Flame sheath- active defense - blocks against cold, fire, crushing, peircing, acid (had to remove the active defense temporarly from the hero file so the EZhero editor will generate a text file because it crashes with active defences)
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I don't know how the redirect passive defense will work with the anti war zone, the projectiles probably won't reach her to redirect, but I don't think anti-war zone is always active.

rmt · February 18, 2009, 02:46:49 AM

When in doubt, do the research.

I would absolutely have said Direct, but having now researched it, I'm not only going to say beam instead of direct, I'm also going to challenge this idea that she can shoot eldritch beams. I looked at her appearances BRIEFLY but think I got them all as she was only around until about SS 16 or so, and wasn't in every mission.

In Legends 3, she turns plasma/fireball from an exploding Brimstone to snow.

In SS2, she is shown shooting pink blasts at Djinn, but there is no indication to what purpose since Djinn cannot be touched. She ultimately beats Djinn by shooting his magnetic box -- but that's an inanimate object, which is an important point to note here in a moment.

SS5, she makes herself look like the Russian prisoner being rescued by "manipulating energy" -- perhaps Disguise or something similar like you discussed for Nemesis.

SS6, she's shooting blasts and everything is in flames, but the text says she is out of control (again) and that she "blew up a doorway" -- sounds like ignite or molecular disruption more than anything.

SS7, she burns the clothes off of one of the People's Heroes and then entombs them with rock. Not clear to me where the rock came from, whether she shaped it out of air or redirected earth from somewhere or what.

SS12, Nightshade says you get so used to the magic, you forget how fast and strong she is. Nightshade takes her down but it takes 4 blows. This seems slightly out of character since Captain Boomerang once fell her with a single boomerang, and Deadshot took her down with a single skull crease bullet. But Suicide Squad tended to draw out melee fights far more than anything with weapons, a fact I must remember if I ever do re-do C/S' mod. The Batman/Flag fight for example, went on forever. Now here's the important part: in SS12, Enchantress is forced to transmute cocaine to bat guano. She does so by SHOOTING PINK BEAMS at it. Same pink beams she is shooting in every other scene that appears to be eldritch blasts.

SS15, Enchantress fires pink beams at Larry the Incubus but AT HIS FEET. It is not clear to what good, but a few panels later, she is making rocks fly up at him. He re-directs the rock at her and she turns it to fire.

So... if you want a good balanced character, make her however you like.

Eldritch beams are consistent with her future appearances and comments about her magic. But I think a case could be made that there is no proof that she has an energy beam attack. She has only occasionally fired at people and never with any success -- she could well have been trying to burn their clothes or otherwise affect inanimate objects around them.

I would probably ditch the Fast Healing and/or tone down the endurance (yeah, I'm contradicting myself a bit but I forgot how easy she was to take down at times). The Berserker is a must, however. She was always going nuts on her own teammates. In a mod, Bronze Tiger should have a custom action to remove the enraged state, using the ring that causes the mystic feedback as that was how he (and later Nightshade) kept her in line. Before then, they usually just shot her or threw something blunt at her. Seriously.

USAgent · February 18, 2009, 11:27:31 PM

I just Zipped through all those SS comics you mentioned (2,5,6,7,12,15). And it pretty much looks like her pink beams are her catch all attack for pretty much everything, except when she set the clothes on fire. And when she entombed her oppenent in rocks it looks like she just blasted at the rocks with her pink beam and they fell on her.
And your right, she hadn't actually connected to any opponent with her pink blast, so who knows what would of happened. But just for myself I am going to go ahead and give her a pink energy blast just because......I don't know, it looks like something she was
trying" to do I guess

But I did get rid of her fast healing and I added disguise.

Thanks for all the help with her!

Here are a couple short timers with the SS squad- Javelin and Slipknot. There probably isnt a whole lotta info on these guys out there and they didnt do awhole lot while with the squad (Slipknot was in one issue before he tried to bail out and lots his arm over it)

Javelin

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Hero File: suicide javelin
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Info:
File Type: FFv3R
Mesh: library\characters\TMCL_Javelin\character.nif
Skin: javelin_lp
Material: Flesh
Weight: 170 lbs
AI: CDoppleCop
Voice:

Stats:
Strength: 3 Normal
Speed: 4 Fast
Agility: 4 Agile
Endurance: 4 Hardy
Energy: 4 Powerful

Attributes:
Crack Shot
Invulnerable (02 hp) -his costume is supposed to protect his a little
Flier

Powers:
Melee (Melee):
DamageType: Crushing
Magnitude: Low
Energy Point Cost: None
Stun: None
Knockback: None
Swiftness: Normal
Arc: No Arc
Level: 2
Animation Name: melee
Attached FX Name: theant_punch

regular javelin (Ranged - Projectile):
DamageType: Piercing
Magnitude: Low
Energy Point Cost: None
Stun: None
Knockback: None
Velocity: Normal
Radius: No Arc
Range: Medium
Accuracy: Extreme
Level: 4
Animation Name: ranged_billyclub2
Attached FX Name: javelin

javelin cluster (Ranged - Projectile):
DamageType: Piercing
Magnitude: Low
Energy Point Cost: Low
Stun: None
Knockback: None
Velocity: Normal
Radius: No Arc
Range: Medium
Accuracy: Extreme
Max Instances: 3
Level: 4
Animation Name: ranged_2
Attached FX Name: javelin
Power Flags: Flight Spawn

exploding javelin (Ranged - Explosive Projectile):
DamageType: Heat
Magnitude: Medium
Energy Point Cost: Medium
Stun: None
Knockback: None
Velocity: Normal
Radius: 180 Degrees
Range: Long
Accuracy: Extreme
Level: 3
Animation Name: ranged
Attached FX Name: arrow_explosive

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Does he have anymore trick javelins?

Slipknot

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Hero File: suicide slipknot
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Info:
File Type: FFv3R
Mesh: library\characters\slipknot\character.nif
Skin: standard
Material: Flesh
Weight: 170 lbs
AI: CDoppleCop
Voice:

Stats:
Strength: 3 Normal
Speed: 4 Fast
Agility: 4 Agile
Endurance: 4 Hardy
Energy: 3 Minor Energy

Attributes:
Wall Climbing

Powers:
Melee (Melee):
DamageType: Crushing
Magnitude: Low
Energy Point Cost: None
Stun: None
Knockback: None
Swiftness: Normal
Arc: No Arc
Level: 2
Animation Name: melee_4
Attached FX Name: default_punch

rope choke (Ranged - Beam):
DamageType: Crushing
Magnitude: Medium
Energy Point Cost: Low
Stun: None
Knockback: None
Velocity: Fast
Range: Medium
Accuracy: Extreme
Level: 2
Animation Name: ranged_2
Attached FX Name: wwgolden_lasso

rope ensnarement (Ranged - Beam):
DamageType: Stasis
Magnitude: High
Energy Point Cost: Low
Stun: None
Knockback: None
Velocity: Fast
Range: Medium
Accuracy: Extreme
Level: 2
Animation Name: ranged_6
Attached FX Name: wwgolden_lasso

rope throw (Ranged - Beam):
DamageType: Mental Blank (state swap to "throw")
Magnitude: High
Energy Point Cost: Low
Stun: None
Knockback: None
Velocity: Fast
Range: Medium
Accuracy: Extreme
Level: 3
Animation Name: ranged_2
Attached FX Name: wwgolden_lasso

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rmt · February 19, 2009, 04:18:37 AM

USAgent, you've got mail with an offer that may help you in the long run if you're interested. I can say no more here because I'm all mysterious and stuff. Or because I've realized I spend too much time debating hero files for a game version I don't even play when I should be sorting and incorporating the world's greatest skoper's creations. Either way.

USAgent · February 21, 2009, 10:35:20 PM

RMT sent me a DC RPG source book dedicated to the suicide squad which will help me out alot, Thanks Riddle!

Here isCaptian Cold and Deadshot

Captain Cold

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Hero File: suicide captain cold
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Info:
File Type: FFv3R
Mesh: library\characters\Captian_Cold_43\character.nif
Skin: standard
Material: Flesh
Weight: 170 lbs
AI: CGenericHero
Voice: PR

Stats:
Strength: 3 Normal
Speed: 4 Fast
Agility: 5 Very Agile
Endurance: 4 Hardy
Energy: 5 Very Powerful

Attributes:
Hirsute
Ice Control

Powers:
cold melee (Melee):
DamageType: Cold
Magnitude: Low
Energy Point Cost: None
Stun: None
Knockback: None
Swiftness: Normal
Arc: No Arc
Level: 2
Animation Name: melee
Attached FX Name: nuclearwinter_freezingpunch

cold gun (freeze) (Ranged - Beam):
DamageType: Freeze
Magnitude: Very High
Energy Point Cost: Low
Stun: None
Knockback: None
Velocity: Normal
Range: Long
Accuracy: High
Level: 2
Animation Name: ranged
Attached FX Name: coldwarrior_freezeray

cold gun (cold beam) (Ranged - Beam):
DamageType: Cold
Magnitude: High
Energy Point Cost: Low
Stun: None
Knockback: None
Velocity: Normal
Range: Long
Accuracy: High
Level: 2
Animation Name: ranged
Attached FX Name: nuclearwinter_icyblast

suit (Passive Defense):
Block Type: Normal
Success Rating: Rare
Level: 2
Animation Name:
Attached FX Name: microwave_absorbradiation
Damage Blocked: Crushing
Piercing
Cold
Defense Flags: Always Active
Attacks Blocked: Melee
Ranged
Area
Direct

snow jimmies (Ranged - Projectile):
DamageType: Crushing
Magnitude: Medium
Energy Point Cost: Low
Stun: None
Knockback: Medium
Velocity: Normal
Radius: No Arc
Range: Medium
Accuracy: High
Level: 2
Animation Name: ranged_2
Attached FX Name: snow_balls

ice missles (Ranged - Projectile):
DamageType: Piercing
Magnitude: Medium
Energy Point Cost: Medium
Stun: Medium
Knockback: None
Velocity: Normal
Radius: No Arc
Range: Medium
Accuracy: High
Max Instances: 2
Level: 2
Animation Name: ranged_3
Attached FX Name: coldwarrior_icebullet
Power Flags: Flight Spawn

Also gave him a ice shield active defense

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Dead Shot

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Hero File: suicide deadshot
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Info:
File Type: FFv3R
Mesh: library\characters\vxDeadshot\character.nif
Skin: deadshot
Material: Flesh
Weight: 170 lbs
AI: CGenericHero
Voice:

Stats:
Strength: 3 Normal
Speed: 5 Very Fast
Agility: 4 Agile
Endurance: 4 Hardy
Energy: 4 Powerful

Attributes:
Crack Shot

Powers:
punch (Melee):
DamageType: Crushing
Magnitude: Low
Energy Point Cost: None
Stun: None
Knockback: None
Swiftness: Fast
Arc: No Arc
Level: 2
Animation Name: melee
Attached FX Name: theant_punch

wrist magnum (Ranged - Projectile):
DamageType: Piercing
Magnitude: Low
Energy Point Cost: None
Stun: None
Knockback: None
Velocity: Very Fast
Radius: No Arc
Range: Long
Accuracy: Extreme
Level: 4
Animation Name: ranged_3
Attached FX Name: cop_pistolshot

blaster barrage (Ranged - Projectile):
DamageType: Piercing
Magnitude: Low
Energy Point Cost: Medium
Stun: None
Knockback: None
Velocity: Very Fast
Radius: No Arc
Range: Long
Accuracy: Extreme
Max Instances: 2
Level: 2
Animation Name: ranged_5
Attached FX Name: cop_pistolshot
Power Flags: Flight Spawn

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rmt · February 22, 2009, 02:41:18 PM

I would consider either lowering the accuracy of barrage attacks or adding a "cover fire" attack. Everyone focuses on Deadshot's accuracy, which is true for any single shot, but a lot of times he would spray fire without hitting anyone.

USAgent · February 22, 2009, 03:01:13 PM

Another good idea from RMT! (isn't there something else you should be wokring on?)
New Deadshot:
Lowered the accuracy to low for the barrage and lowered his zero cost single shot to Med accuracy, then added a "deadshot!" single shot with High accuracy and high damage to represent a aimed shot better.

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Hero File: suicide deadshot
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Info:
File Type: FFv3R
Mesh: library\characters\vxDeadshot\character.nif
Skin: deadshot
Material: Flesh
Weight: 170 lbs
AI: CGenericHero
Voice:

Stats:
Strength: 3 Normal
Speed: 4 Fast
Agility: 4 Agile
Endurance: 4 Hardy
Energy: 4 Powerful

Attributes:
Crack Shot

Powers:
punch (Melee):
DamageType: Crushing
Magnitude: Low
Energy Point Cost: None
Stun: None
Knockback: None
Swiftness: Fast
Arc: No Arc
Level: 2
Animation Name: melee
Attached FX Name: theant_punch

wrist magnum shot (Ranged - Projectile):
DamageType: Piercing
Magnitude: Low
Energy Point Cost: None
Stun: None
Knockback: None
Velocity: Very Fast
Radius: No Arc
Range: Long
Accuracy: High
Level: 4
Animation Name: ranged_3
Attached FX Name: cop_pistolshot

blaster barrage (Ranged - Projectile):
DamageType: Piercing
Magnitude: Low
Energy Point Cost: Medium
Stun: None
Knockback: None
Velocity: Very Fast
Radius: No Arc
Range: Long
Accuracy: Medium
Max Instances: 2
Level: 2
Animation Name: ranged_5
Attached FX Name: cop_pistolshot
Power Flags: Flight Spawn

deadshot! (Ranged - Projectile):
DamageType: Piercing
Magnitude: High
Energy Point Cost: Low
Stun: Medium
Knockback: Low
Velocity: Fast
Radius: No Arc
Range: Long
Accuracy: Extreme
Level: 2
Animation Name: ranged_2
Attached FX Name: cop_pistolshot

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rmt · February 22, 2009, 04:54:32 PM

Quote from: USAgent on February 22, 2009, 03:01:13 PM
Another good idea from RMT! (isn't there something else you should be working on?)

Most definitely. But I only had 3 minutes before church, so this was a good use of time.

I'll get that other thing in the mail to you by next weekend, hopefully sooner.

laughing paradox · February 22, 2009, 05:34:51 PM

I used the ranged grapple ffx attribute for Slipknot and it works very well. It keeps Slipknot in place while he constricts the rope around a foe, dealing damage.

Javelin looks good. Maybe give him a piercing melee attack with his javelin?

The updated Deadshot looks much better.

I'm so glad you're getting into the Suicide Squad. It makes me want to do any other members that haven't been done yet.. got any suggestions?

USAgent · February 22, 2009, 08:13:48 PM

Quote from: laughing paradox on February 22, 2009, 05:34:51 PM
I used the ranged grapple ffx attribute for Slipknot and it works very well. It keeps Slipknot in place while he constricts the rope around a foe, dealing damage.

Javelin looks good. Maybe give him a piercing melee attack with his javelin?

The updated Deadshot looks much better.

I'm so glad you're getting into the Suicide Squad. It makes me want to do any other members that haven't been done yet.. got any suggestions?

I really gotta start using the newer FFX stuff out there like that Grapple. Usually I am just too lazy to use anything other than what you can use with FFX control center (older swaps and stuff). But grapple sounds perfect for Slipknot.
I will give Javelin a "javelin jab" melee which was a good idea. I didn't realize that he had melee animations that use a javelin as a weapon.
Plus I changed the heat damage from his exploding javelin to piercing because his javelin actually fragments on contact instead of a firey explosion.
I am just getting into the suicide squad myself so I am not sure about any squad characters not done yet (I am up to the Apokolips fight in the comics now) The only characters off the top of my head that arnt done yet are Punch and Jewlee.....but for some reason I think I remember Tommy doing a Punch mesh??

Quote from: rmt on February 22, 2009, 04:54:32 PM
I'll get that other thing in the mail to you by next weekend, hopefully sooner.

Oh no, thats not what I meant (but I am looking forward to it greatly) I was actually refering to your rather large project!

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