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Not a bad way to phrase it, and similar to what I said above.
As Marcus of Cosmonaut Variety Hour said in his Rebels video, Clone Wars was at its best when it was teetering on the verge of cancellation and was taking risks, while Rebels had that sweet, sweet Disney money and could afford to play it safe.
Note that I don't actually agree with ANY of that in regards to those two shows, but it does kinda apply to Mando. It did turn into the "Now you're just showing off" show, in a similar vein to the tv version of Crisis on Infinite Earths. I've also heard the final act of "The Avengers" described as an endzone dance celebrating its own existence, which I pretty much agree with. Same thing here, in a way.
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For me,that whole universe had waaay more misses then hits. Ultimate Spiderman,much like TMNT 2012, had potential but wasted all of it chasing cheap laughs.
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Season 2 was a bit of a testing ground for new directors. New to SW,that is. One of the theories being that higher-ups at Disney are not happy with Kathleen Kennedy and are casting people to replace her.
So yeah,while still good,season 2 is a victim of its own success.
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Requests for Skins and Meshes / Brave and the Bold
« Last post by Randomdays on Today at 07:07:58 AM »
Of the beginning characters in the Silver Age BnB, I see DaGlob has done Golden Gladiator, but has anyone done the Viking Prince or the Silent Knight?

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Requests for Skins and Meshes / Re: Iron Man foe Firepower?
« Last post by Randomdays on Today at 06:58:54 AM »
Sent!

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General Discussion / Re: Hero Forge
« Last post by Night Dragon on Today at 06:35:09 AM »
Thank ya, Benton. I did a couple more, but I have found a bit of a limitation to using it online. It's impossible to do any kind of domino mask, cowl, or half-mask. So anything like Batman, Flash, Robin, or 90s Cyclops type masks are a no go. I was really wanting to do X-Stream, Captain Spud, MikeB7, Cardmaster, FleshEater, and tons others.

 But here's four more I managed to massacre :

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Juancho :
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PodMark :
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I tried to make PodMark look similar to Hellscorp, because back in ye olden days, Hellscorp was supposed to cloned Mark into PodMark.
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"You will pay for your lack of vision."

Well, you already acknowledged that Mando itself was better than anything else after RotJ other than Rogue One, so I'm not going to argue there. Though I have to roll my eyes now that Alan Tudyk has said that K-2SO won't be in S1 of Andor (THEN WHY ARE YOU MAKING THE SHOW, DISNEY? WHY ARE YOU MAKING THE SHOW?) Ahem.

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Republic Rangers: Interesting.  I didn't actually know what was getting spun off.  If it is going to be starring her, that's really a shame, because that's a title that has potential to interest me.  Ha, but I don't think I could handle her as the lead.  She was bad enough in supporting cast.

Well, if it makes you feel better, Gina Carano is apparently just the worst in real life, so there is a section of the fandom who would like to see her rubbed out of this whole enterprise. Time will tell I suppose.

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I don't know that I really want to see something lesser plucked from the corpse of the old canon.
 

Well considering a good chunk of Ep 9's plot was very much that, and a lot of fans thought it was garbage, I can't blame you.  :P

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Thrawn is a great villain, but I don't know if there is enough space in the world they've created to use him well. 

The version of Thrawn in Rebels was a great villain in a less than great show. But a big part of why he was so cool (other than the excellent casting of Lars Mikkleson - the fan pick is Cumberbatch, but I figure they should just have him play him in live action) was because they hewed so closely to the original characterization to please the fans. This is a new canon - in many other instances, it'd be the easiest thing in the world to make him a completely different character (like, say, Lex Luthor), and he did have a different role - but because of the immense love for the character, they opted to try to get him as faithful as possible.

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My hesitation would be much greater if he's going to be in the Ashoka show.  That's probably why I forgot about his being mentioned, because it happened in connection with her, and I found both her and her episode underwhelming and forgettable.  I have zero interest in that character and her Prequel baggage.

Sounds about right. Her fans loved it though (and I do include myself among them). Star Wars is supposed to be for all of us, and Mando managed to do what a year or so ago seemed impossible - unite the fandom and get them to stop arguing and enjoy their darn Star Wars, and I'll always love it for that.

Ahsoka's not really that hard to wrap your head around. "Imagine Rey - but they remembered to include the character development." A scrappy young female lead added into the mix who develops enough over time to be embraced by the fandom. Or, to use the OT, I like to think most SW fans understand and appreciate that Luke in "Star Wars" is not the same character as Luke in "Return of the Jedi". Basically the same thing for Ahsoka.

Here's a question for you - would the sequel trilogy and "Old Man Luke" have displeased you as much if it was the first Star Wars material you ever watched, read or played? I would imagine the answer to that is "No."

My expectations for the Ahsoka series are that it will largely bring back stuff from TCW and Rebels and tie at little bit into the sequel trilogy, so there likely will be nothing to interest you anyways. If you want to see how they handle Thawn in live action, there's always Youtube clips when it comes out.



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Well, I can't comment on those stories, not having seen any of them, but it sounds like they've sorta' botched the character if they've taken him in the direction you described.  Don't get me wrong.  I love a redemption story, and I think Boba could be used to great effect in such, but the place for such stories is after Star Wars, not before.  When we see him in the movies, he's a cold and ruthless hunter.  We don't see much of him, but there's definitely nothing to suggest that the guy who happily works for Vader and Jabba has any positive qualities or altruism.  The old lore made a lot more sense out of his portrayal, even leaving aside my preference for it.

Originally he wants revenge on Mace Windu for chopping his father's head off, and he falls in with some other bounty hunters, and then later on he seems to realize that his life is going nowhere this way.

The fan joke for years was that Boba Fett was Clint Eastwood (which is why Cad Bane was Lee Van Cleef) so making him a cowboy anti-hero made some amount of sense, but again, doesn't necessarily gel with the new canon.

Indeed, I only read a few SW novels and comics that actually featured the cast of the OT, but the ones I read with Boba did feature him as having some kind of moral code, a sort of "honor among thieves" (in a similar vein to The Transporter, I suppose) that may have played a role in making him the best and making others seem like petty losers in comparison.



They're definitely getting into a position to just throw a lot of fanservice at fans at this point, and potentially sacrifice the story, but at the very least, I'm enjoying it right now. But I kinda view Mando as a kind of world tour of the SW expanded universe, a kind of SW theme park in its own right. Which in itself doesn't necessarily lend itself to a solid standalone narrative, I'll concede.
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"Look, I ain't in this for your Prequels, and I'm not in it for your new movies.  I'm in this for good Star Wars stories."  Ha, two can play at this game, SS.  :D

As I said, I enjoyed the show, in fact, the vast majority of it.  I just wish it was a bit better.  I think the multi-director thing wore out its welcome.  That's got to be a significant part of its unevenness; how could it not be?  At the least, the show needed a bit more quality control at the top level (and an editor for scripts and shot, ha!).  Nonetheless, it's definitely better than anything made after RotJ, other than Rogue One, and it's on a pretty similar level with that movie.

Republic Rangers: Interesting.  I didn't actually know what was getting spun off.  If it is going to be starring her, that's really a shame, because that's a title that has potential to interest me.  Ha, but I don't think I could handle her as the lead.  She was bad enough in supporting cast. 

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So, Thrawn.  I had forgotten about that.  In other circumstances, I would be super interested in something involving him, but knowing we're never going to get the Thrawn Trilogy, I don't know that I really want to see something lesser plucked from the corpse of the old canon.  Thrawn is a great villain, but I don't know if there is enough space in the world they've created to use him well.  My hesitation would be much greater if he's going to be in the Ashoka show.  That's probably why I forgot about his being mentioned, because it happened in connection with her, and I found both her and her episode underwhelming and forgettable.  I have zero interest in that character and her Prequel baggage. 


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Well, I can't comment on those stories, not having seen any of them, but it sounds like they've sorta' botched the character if they've taken him in the direction you described.  Don't get me wrong.  I love a redemption story, and I think Boba could be used to great effect in such, but the place for such stories is after Star Wars, not before.  When we see him in the movies, he's a cold and ruthless hunter.  We don't see much of him, but there's definitely nothing to suggest that the guy who happily works for Vader and Jabba has any positive qualities or altruism.  The old lore made a lot more sense out of his portrayal, even leaving aside my preference for it.


Games: Yeah, I noticed the Dark Troopers, from one of my favorite games of my youth, Dark Forces.  I quite enjoyed those kinds of things.
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Fair enough. Glad you enjoyed at least a little of it.

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I made the mistake of watching this first.  The original paled in comparison, ha!

Yeah, you really got watch the scene proper the first time. I recently heard someone on Youtube I follow say "If you really want to test how good your story is, spoil it. If people already have it spoiled and it's still good, it passes the test" and I'm *raises finger, thinks for a second* Yeah, kinda. But suspense is my ally, and a powerful ally it is (yes, I do indeed love to speak in SW quotes. They're oh so applicable) The finale, directed by Ant-Man director Peyton Reed, is definitely going for suspense (it's the only way I can forgive how slow and incompetent our opposition in that episode is) Part of the fun of Mando is the different directors they bring in (Robert Rodriguez did the episode with our old buddy with the Ghadaffi stick, and he's coming back to do the spin-off) Filoni naturally worked on the more Clone Wars-specific material (fun fact, Ep 8's Rian Johnston taught him to direct live action on the set of the Last Jedi).

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I take it you won't be watching Republic Rangers, then?

I can't blame you for checking out after this season, to be honest, giving your personal preferences and the fact that so much here exists to create spin-offs that there's very little "Mandalorian" plot left IN the Mandalorian.

That being said, now that you're caught the heck up, I do have a hot take to share with you. It concerns parts of the season you didn't seem to comment on.

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So, yeah, Thrawn's being namedropped, with the implication he's going to show up (in the Ahsoka show, quite possibly) was for many, including myself, one of the most surprising things in the whole season, likely because it didn't leak AFAIK, likely due to him never appearing onscreen. It will no doubt be used to tie into Rebels material but fans are naturally tantalized by the notion of Thrawn in live action in a show more aimed at the older set. But wait, there's more!

As you may have caught in an episode or two of this season, the Imperial Remnant is hard at work using harvested Jedi DNA to grow Snoke or something similar to him/it at this point in time. While this is tying into a very quick and dirty moment in Ep9, this plot raises a lot of enticing possibilities. There's speculation as to what the upcoming Thrawn-related material will entail, but my personal hot take is this will be Filoni's way of doing the new Disney/Filoni canon version of......Jorus C'Boath. Oh yes. (Fun fact, my name in the Clone Wars Adventures MMO was Jorus Skydreamer, which was made up of two default/placeholder suggestion names.)



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So, this was mildly interesting.  In isolation, this could be really cool, but it just had very little weight because Boba got basically no development, and what we saw of him was more 'honorable warrior' than 'ruthless criminal', so this didn't really make a ton of sense.  Obviously, the latter is much more akin to the Boba in the lore, but it's still a fairly sharp tonal shift.  In general, I'd be all over a Boba Fett show, except that they're bringing in his modern origins, which I have zero interest in.  In fact, the whole 'you're a clone' thing from this episode was one of the only actively discordant elements for me.  Took me right out of the story by reminding me inescapably of the Prequels.

I actually agree with most of this, except being turned off by the inclusion of Prequel references of course. You certainly like the word "discordant". I think you and I would have interesting things to say about how inconsistent they Jedi's skill levels are in this franchise across the board, to say nothing of the Mandoralorians themselves. Anyway, I really enjoyed the post-credit scene in the moment, it was neat and rather amusing to see Bib Fortuna as a now-obese successor to Jabba only to be immediately shot by Fett (decidedly not his fate in the old pre-Disney canon), but the problem is it's not a particularly exciting tease for a Boba Fett show. What would have been more enticing would be to set a goal for Boba and have him attain it over the course of The Book of Boba Fett (akin to Samurai Jack or Afro Samurai) and have him attain his version of the "Number One Headband" at the END of season 1 of BoBF and have usurpers to the throne (like say, Bosck) challenge him in S2.

This....it's cool in the moment for sure, but making a followup to it kinda feels like making an Ep9 after you've already put out The Last Jedi. So I assume BoBF will be about a decayed clone of Jabba then. Actually, Jabba's son was a big part of the plot of the opening storyline of The Clone Wars, so knowing Filoni, a now adult version of that character may indeed show up (and we GOTTA get Cad Bane in here).

Speaking of which, sorry to say, but Boba's modern characterization, though I imagine partly a reference to Temura Morrison in general, in fact comes from the Clone Wars animated show, where he showed up several times, and gradually learns what kind of man he wants to be, culminating in this kind of characterization surfacing in an as-yet-unfished arc where he goes to a wild west-themed town to have a showdown with Cad Bane and some other bounty hunters to protect some innocent people Cad was using as hostages. You can even see people in the comments section of the clip on Youtube saying "See? Fett wasn't out-of-character in Mando!" I wouldn't be surprised if this arc gets properly canonized as an extended flashback in The Book of Boba Fett (which would be a great way to get Cad Bane into here) as it would give Boba some of that much needed character development and bridge the gap between the unsullied and those who have taken the plunge. In a similar vein, Darth Maul: Son of Dathamir (which got made into a comic book miniseries) got relegated to one line of dialogue in the final season of The Clone Wars, which I was hoping for and honestly was fairly satisfied by.

I also wouldn't be surprised to see The Book of Boba Fett make hefty use of a digitally de-aged Temuera Morrison.



Something else I should mention is that in addition to stuff from the prequels and the CGI cartoons being used here, we're also getting stuff from the video games being thrown into the mix. I have been told an HK droid (from Kotor) made a cameo in one of the episodes this season, the campaign to the modern-day Battlefront II got directly referenced in the second-to-last episode this season, and it's both speculated and rumored that a character from Jedi Fallen Order will be showing up in live action next season (naturally, I installed the game to my PS4 and downloaded and installed the update just the other night, and hope to start playing the game shortly). So yeah, to quote Princess Leia, "It's not over yet." (to which Benton replies "It is for ME, Sister."  :P )

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Film, Television, Video and Music Discussion / Re: Marvel Movies
« Last post by Silver Shocker on Today at 04:27:54 AM »
So, so true.

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I have a soft spot for the Perez one myself, as well. And I hated that one with the fast-forward symbol as well. Pietro (in particular the comic version of the character) is one of my all-time favorite superhero characters of all time for reason I don't entirely understand or can't explain especially well (his history and baggage play into it a lot, like Roy Harper) and yet, due to his middling prominence in the Marvel lore, he's had a pretty crappy set of costumes, to the point that his original X-Factor one, one of the better ones IMO actually, was (because Peter David) presented as a joke. Usually they do default back to "blue with lightning bolt" or "green with lightning bolt" but for a few years he went from "mustard yellow" to "snowboarder gear" to "shirt with a gosh-darn fast-forward symbol on it".
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