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Title: Is it possible to assign a different animation other than run in speeding bullet
Post by: Jimaras8 on May 20, 2020, 09:35:43 AM
So, i have an issue that has been bothering me for a while. Is it possible to assign a different animation to speeding bullet instead of the deafault run one?
Title: Re: Is it possible to assign a different animation other than run in speeding bullet
Post by: BentonGrey on May 20, 2020, 09:47:09 PM
Only with FFEdit, I think.
Title: Re: Is it possible to assign a different animation other than run in speeding bullet
Post by: Epimethee on May 21, 2020, 12:17:07 AM
IIRC, Benton is right, and you should go the FFEdit route. There's no scripting hook for doing this in a usable way.
Title: Re: Is it possible to assign a different animation other than run in speeding bullet
Post by: Jimaras8 on May 21, 2020, 06:36:32 AM
Sadly the FFEDIT doesnt work guys. I tried to assign tumble or run_2 to him and he still uses the default run animation.
Title: Re: Is it possible to assign a different animation other than run in speeding bullet
Post by: BentonGrey on May 21, 2020, 08:02:12 PM
Hmm...that's odd.  I thought that would work, though I don't know if I ever tried it.  Are you testing in campaign or RR or Hero screen?
Title: Re: Is it possible to assign a different animation other than run in speeding bullet
Post by: Jimaras8 on May 25, 2020, 10:17:45 AM
Hero screen. He still uses run.
Title: Re: Is it possible to assign a different animation other than run in speeding bullet
Post by: BentonGrey on May 25, 2020, 06:06:38 PM
Hmm...weird.  I would have thought that would work.  Sorry Jim!
Title: Re: Is it possible to assign a different animation other than run in speeding bullet
Post by: bearded on May 28, 2020, 06:01:40 AM
The only thing close is to use Tumble and assign it a different animation.
Title: Re: Is it possible to assign a different animation other than run in speeding bullet
Post by: bearded on May 28, 2020, 06:02:24 AM
Maybe HyperLeaping with a different animation.
Title: Re: Is it possible to assign a different animation other than run in speeding bullet
Post by: Jimaras8 on May 28, 2020, 12:11:06 PM
I already have a tumble attack that uses the bike,  my goal was to have a speeding bullet so Ghost Rider can run them over with the bike quickly and use some damage.  So,  there is no way at all to have the properties of a speeding bullet attack with a different animation than run.

What about an attack that isn't speeding bullet but acts like a speeding bullet?  Basically a fast sprint that causes damage and can use different animations?
Title: Re: Is it possible to assign a different animation other than run in speeding bullet
Post by: bearded on May 29, 2020, 06:37:11 AM
With super jumping, if the distance is really far, the character will do something different, then leap. If you could go into the code you could create a new feat that works. It would be a custom, right click on target, which would trigger movement with any animation, and then you could trigger a power when it reaches the target. I know it would work, 'cause back when I was trying to recreate speeding bullet during flight.
Title: Re: Is it possible to assign a different animation other than run in speeding bullet
Post by: Jimaras8 on May 30, 2020, 09:56:04 AM
That sounds interesting but i have no idea how to do it, i havent tired something like that before.
Title: Re: Is it possible to assign a different animation other than run in speeding bullet
Post by: BentonGrey on May 31, 2020, 03:50:28 AM
Hmm...for Ghost Rider, why not just change the run anim to have him on the bike?
Title: Re: Is it possible to assign a different animation other than run in speeding bullet
Post by: Jimaras8 on May 31, 2020, 07:17:14 AM
That was my first thought Benton but to be completely honest i prefer him being on foot for his standard running and using the bike as a "special tool" for tumble or the speeding bullet.

I know im not making easy for myself haha. Btw, if you could do me a favor, can you check either darkforce_bird or shazam_area to see if they are broken? You can try to convert their end.nif or core.nif for and if EzNifaconvert crashes, they are broken.
Title: Re: Is it possible to assign a different animation other than run in speeding bullet
Post by: spydermann93 on May 31, 2020, 04:59:15 PM
It might be tedious, but you could have Ghost Rider shapeshift to a version that uses his bike to run and give it "bike movement powers" like Wall Climbing, Sprint, and Speeding Bullet
Title: Re: Is it possible to assign a different animation other than run in speeding bullet
Post by: Jimaras8 on June 02, 2020, 10:15:36 AM
But this version will still move with the bike as the default running animation.

Is it possible to have the bike as the default run animation so the speeding bullet recognizes it but use another animation for his default moving? For example, i rename run_2 which is currently the bike animation to run but use let's say walk as his default moving animation? Can this be done?
Title: Re: Is it possible to assign a different animation other than run in speeding bullet
Post by: spydermann93 on June 02, 2020, 09:23:51 PM
No, I don't believe so.

That's why I'm saying you could make a copy of Ghost Rider where he has the bike as his default run so that the Speeding Bullet and Sprint powers work and have your original Ghost Rider use a normal run but not have those Speeding Bullet and Sprint powers.

The shapeshift would be him getting on his bike and using his bike completely while his original "form" will be him without his bike.

You'd still have the issues with the idle and melee_idle animations, though, showing him off of his bike, but I'm not sure what else you could do.
Title: Re: Is it possible to assign a different animation other than run in speeding bullet
Post by: bearded on June 04, 2020, 01:30:19 AM
I've got it. Make the run animation nothing. Then make a running FX and a motorcycle FX and attach them to the powers.
Title: Re: Is it possible to assign a different animation other than run in speeding bullet
Post by: spydermann93 on June 04, 2020, 01:32:36 AM
then what about normal running?
Title: Re: Is it possible to assign a different animation other than run in speeding bullet
Post by: bearded on June 04, 2020, 10:38:57 AM
You make 2 FX. One of GR running. I think you can use one of the tools to separate the running animation as an FX. I can't remember which tool it was, but you export the animation as a seperate .nif and rename it start.nif, then create the FX using ffedit. Then in ffedit, you can change the running FX to this. Do the same thing for the motorcycle animation, and change the Charge FX to this. Make sure there is a blank for the running animation. I'm certain this would work, I did something similar for the Flash.
Title: Re: Is it possible to assign a different animation other than run in speeding bullet
Post by: Jimaras8 on June 05, 2020, 10:40:10 AM
Bearded, i kno i'm asking a lot but if i send you the skope could you take a crack at it? I'm not quite good with nifskope yet no matter how hard i try hahah.
Title: Re: Is it possible to assign a different animation other than run in speeding bullet
Post by: bearded on June 06, 2020, 01:34:44 AM
Ok, I'll try.
Title: Re: Is it possible to assign a different animation other than run in speeding bullet
Post by: X-Man on June 06, 2020, 07:49:38 AM
I think i did something similar to this but i couldn't get an attack out of it. The default sprint for  speeding bullet etc, i couldn't change even in FFEdfit, however tumble you can add to any character and just use a walk animation instead. I think i found a mesh that already had Tumble and just edit the contact types to match ie "leave_hand,  leave_hand_2"  I forget what it exactly is for Tumble.  Since Mr Fantastic had a stretching animation for his run_2. I renamed it Tumble instead, made sure the required nodes where there,  Built the temporary mesh in FFedit with my new tumble/run skill.. Unlimited Range..  don't edit this ability in game if you decided to finish  building him there... just create a copy and not even open the skill to preview if you want to keep the unlimited range.  Now Reed walks normal with his original walk animation,  but his the "stretch to" special ability now uses run_2 as well as Tumble skill etc.  Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Is it possible to assign a different animation other than run in speeding bullet
Post by: Jimaras8 on June 06, 2020, 10:10:38 AM
I will try it when i have the time X-man but there is another issue that me and Tomato have. He has been trying for days to add more ranged animations to Dagger_AA from Ms_Marvel_AA and although i see them in the character Tool, they dont appear in-game. I post his skoped keyframes there and i anyone can test the skope and see if the additional three animations appear in-game The normal skope stops at ranged_4. If it appears in-game then the problem is with my version or something like that.

https://mega.nz/file/WVsxWCQa#94pWU8M00GaQy2HUxTCOtsFxYOSfLNivOWA3QF9nK5Y (https://mega.nz/file/WVsxWCQa#94pWU8M00GaQy2HUxTCOtsFxYOSfLNivOWA3QF9nK5Y)
Title: Re: Is it possible to assign a different animation other than run in speeding bullet
Post by: Jimaras8 on June 06, 2020, 10:21:03 AM
X-man just so ican get it straight. Ghost_rider_DM has a tumble animation along with a default run and a run_2 which is the one i want to use, the bike one.So you are basically suggesting that i rename the run_2 animation tumble and transfer the nodes from the ogirinal tumble animation and basically have two tumble animations? Or just one? I'm kinda confused with this part.
Title: Re: Is it possible to assign a different animation other than run in speeding bullet
Post by: detourne_me on June 07, 2020, 05:19:48 AM
Bearded's Idea is ingenious. If I'm following properly, his normal run animation and his tumble animation need to be captured as animated looping .nifs that can be used as an FX. Then his run animation needs to be skoped so that he scales down to almost nothing while he is running.  Then you can show the two different FX for normal running and for a speeding bullet.  have them spawn at 'bottom' I guess so they follow the original mesh exactly.
Title: Re: Is it possible to assign a different animation other than run in speeding bullet
Post by: Jimaras8 on June 07, 2020, 10:17:48 AM
It does sound ingenius dm althou8gh i have no idea how to execute it  :P :P.How can you caputre animations as fxs and how do you scale it down to nothing? I havent anything like this before  :D
Title: Re: Is it possible to assign a different animation other than run in speeding bullet
Post by: BentonGrey on June 07, 2020, 08:42:52 PM
Wow, that is brilliant!  :D
Title: Re: Is it possible to assign a different animation other than run in speeding bullet
Post by: Jimaras8 on June 08, 2020, 10:50:18 AM
I might the only person in the room who hasnt gotten the gist of it yet :P. If anyone could do a step by step for my nifskope-weak mind, i would be grateful   :D. I would love to do it on my own to learn how it's done.
Title: Re: Is it possible to assign a different animation other than run in speeding bullet
Post by: detourne_me on June 08, 2020, 11:41:45 AM
i'm slowly working my way back into the game....
I've been trying to make a core.nif for FX out of a mesh with keyframes built into it,  but I keep getting a solid grey box in the game when I try to assign it as an FX.
Does anyone have any ideas what that means?
Title: Re: Is it possible to assign a different animation other than run in speeding bullet
Post by: spydermann93 on June 08, 2020, 03:02:11 PM
Maybe missing textures?

Or maybe the bounding box or something is showing?
Title: Re: Is it possible to assign a different animation other than run in speeding bullet
Post by: Jimaras8 on June 13, 2020, 11:29:44 AM
Is it possible to extract animations as FX? Did i get this right?
Title: Re: Is it possible to assign a different animation other than run in speeding bullet
Post by: Jimaras8 on February 02, 2021, 11:37:20 AM
So i bumped this thread cause i'm really determined to solve this issue sinc ei'm cleaning the latest version of the expansion and i want to solve lingering issues.

Does anyone know how i can extract an animation and turn it into an fx? This is the basis of what Bearded was talking about and it seems to be the best solution.
Title: Re: Is it possible to assign a different animation other than run in speeding bullet
Post by: stumpy on February 04, 2021, 06:20:52 PM
I don't have any useful knowledge about extracting animations as FX. But, I might suggest starting this as a topic in the FX forum (or possibly Meshes or Hex Editing) so that someone with the right experience might see it.
Title: Re: Is it possible to assign a different animation other than run in speeding bullet
Post by: detourne_me on February 04, 2021, 10:45:09 PM
I'm trying to remember what I did to get these nifs.
I took the standard mesh, and then pasted in the keyframes from a specific animation into the character.nif itself
I made sure that the keyframes were looping.
Then I exported it as a core.nif to be used for FX.
There might have been a texturing issue since the way how FX look for textures is different than character meshes.

I don't have any of these files anymore, so i couldnt check to be certain. But, if you open up an FX file in Nifskope with baked in keyframes (like one of the skeleton or golem direct attacks), you can see where the NiKeyframeController and other related keyframe information is located in the file. Only one animation can be attached to the mesh to animate it for Freedom Force. So you would have to take all of the keyframe information for Run_2 and paste it in somewhere.
Title: Re: Is it possible to assign a different animation other than run in speeding bullet
Post by: detourne_me on February 04, 2021, 10:48:33 PM
Maybe missing textures?

Or maybe the bounding box or something is showing?
Couldve been the bounding box, yeah!