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Title: Marvels next super-mega event is...
Post by: HarryTrotter on July 24, 2016, 04:51:13 AM
http://www.theouthousers.com/index.php/news/135898-sdcc-marvel-finally-announces-inhumans-vs-x-men.html (http://www.theouthousers.com/index.php/news/135898-sdcc-marvel-finally-announces-inhumans-vs-x-men.html)
Its Inhumans Vs X-men.Bet you didnt see that coming?Heroes fighting heroes in an event?So refreshing.I hope they kill a whole bunch of people for no reason.
Obviously the guys whos society is based on slavery and eugenics will be the positive force here.
Title: Re: Marvels next super-mega event is...
Post by: kkhohoho on July 24, 2016, 03:07:18 PM
Quote from: Spade on July 24, 2016, 04:51:13 AM
http://www.theouthousers.com/index.php/news/135898-sdcc-marvel-finally-announces-inhumans-vs-x-men.html (http://www.theouthousers.com/index.php/news/135898-sdcc-marvel-finally-announces-inhumans-vs-x-men.html)
Its Inhumans Vs X-men.Bet you didnt see that coming?Heroes fighting heroes in an event?So refreshing.I hope they kill a whole bunch of people for no reason.
Obviously the guys whos society is based on slavery and eugenics will be the positive force here.

You know, I tried to argue that the other day with someone that 4 big hero vs hero brouhahas over the last several years is just too darn much. He tried to counter me by saying that, well, there were a good 6 years between CW and AvX, and 4 between AvX and CWII, and the X-Men aren't going to get involved too much in CWII so it's only fair they they get an event of their own. I wasn't sure what to say then, but I think I do now. It doesn't matter whether it's been 3 years or 5 years or 10; heroes shouldn't be fighting other heroes in the first place outside of mind control, the occasional misunderstanding, or a  REALLY well written and justified storyline. (God bless JLU.) And for this to now be happening for the 4th time in the last several years is just 4 times too many, especially with how crappy these things tend to be. It doesn't help that comics are so decompressed these days that it often feels like only several months have passed over the last few years; maybe a bit more than that on a good day. Really though, I just want Marvel to end the infighting, and have heroes do what they do best; protect civilians, save the day, and beat the crap out of supervillains. (Instead of each other.) Because at this point, they might as well be a bunch of children fighting over who gets to play in the sandbox, and that is NOT what I read comics for.
Title: Re: Marvels next super-mega event is...
Post by: HarryTrotter on July 24, 2016, 03:19:35 PM
Is it a bad time to mention there will also be an Asgardian/Shi'Ar war?
IIRC Alonso said X-men will be more involved in CW2,and there is a Civil War: X-men series.And they have their own event: Apocalypse Wars.Btw,why does every event has to have wars in its name?
And knowing what side editorial is on,we can guess the victor here.
Title: Re: Marvels next super-mega event is...
Post by: daglob on July 24, 2016, 05:47:02 PM
I get the feeling it won't be the readers.
Title: Re: Marvels next super-mega event is...
Post by: HarryTrotter on July 24, 2016, 05:59:02 PM
Readers lost,and lost readers...
Title: Re: Marvels next super-mega event is...
Post by: BentonGrey on July 24, 2016, 06:22:57 PM
Quote from: daglob on July 24, 2016, 05:47:02 PM
I get the feeling it won't be the readers.

Ha!  :lol:
Title: Re: Marvels next super-mega event is...
Post by: Deaths Jester on July 26, 2016, 03:38:25 PM
Why don't they just call it Fox vs Disney? Then they could pit the Simpsons against Mickey and his crew. That would be more interesting...
Title: Re: Marvels next super-mega event is...
Post by: HarryTrotter on July 26, 2016, 04:09:58 PM
Quote from: Deaths Jester on July 26, 2016, 03:38:25 PM
Why don't they just call it Fox vs Disney? Then they could pit the Simpsons against Mickey and his crew. That would be more interesting...

Because IDW publishes Mickey and related titles and not Marvel.
But I wouldn't mind a Howard/Donald Duck crossover,I have to say.
Title: Re: Marvels next super-mega event is...
Post by: daglob on July 26, 2016, 04:31:44 PM
Go all the way: add Daffy too.

The Multiverse will never be the same...
Title: Re: Marvels next super-mega event is...
Post by: HarryTrotter on July 26, 2016, 04:51:22 PM
That would be a great crossover.
Thou if Marvel got Disney character;Mickey and Donald would probably be fighting Secret Civil War 5 or something.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Marvels next super-mega event is...
Post by: daglob on July 26, 2016, 05:10:18 PM
Oswald Rabbit would probably end up being the villain.
Title: Re: Marvels next super-mega event is...
Post by: HarryTrotter on December 15, 2016, 06:28:06 AM
Remember how Cyclops did something soooo baaaad?So bad,one little (Inhuman) turd even calls him Hitler?
He stoped a poison cloud thus saving millions of lives then Black Bolt killed him.That makes him a bad guy. #MarvelLogic
Title: Re: Marvels next super-mega event is...
Post by: daglob on December 15, 2016, 04:11:33 PM
This reminds me why I don't read most mainstream comics these days...
Title: Re: Marvels next super-mega event is...
Post by: HarryTrotter on December 15, 2016, 05:02:52 PM
^I didnt think it was possible,but Marvel went even further in their attempt to alienate me.And it works.
Title: Re: Marvels next super-mega event is...
Post by: daglob on December 15, 2016, 08:33:54 PM
Quote from: Spade on December 15, 2016, 05:02:52 PM
^I didnt think it was possible,but Marvel went even further in their attempt to alienate me.And it works.

No, you just don't get it. You don't understand what the creators are trying to do. You aren't giving the creators a chance. You need to open your mind to

I'm sorry, I just can't keep up this line of bull guano. 
Title: Re: Marvels next super-mega event is...
Post by: Tomato on December 15, 2016, 09:37:31 PM
I am in no way trying to defend this nonsense, since I hate this stuff as much as everyone else (I was just mentioning to a friend how frustrating it was reading Spider-Man books now that there's a Spider-Man EVENT running alongside Civil War II EVENT, especially since Miles' book is a part of the CWII event while most of the others are involved in DNM), but I do want to add one thing to the discussion:

As much as making all these confrontations EVENTS is a relatively new phenomenon, Marvel teams have been fighting each other since the days of Stan Lee. Fighting is a good way of contrasting the different motivations, goals, and ideologies of the different characters and teams, and was essential in the early days of Marvel Comics as a way of cross-pollenating all the different readers. I *just* went through much of the early Spider-Man books, and they are just littered with FF appearances and confrontations, as well as the occasional one-off fight with characters like Hulk or Daredevil. I would argue that those happened FAR more frequently in just that one book than the event books in recent years.

And frankly, there are great examples of it... JLA/Titans: The Technis Imperative springs to mind as a confrontation that works because it pits the core message of the two teams against each other: the JLA wanting to protect earth, and the Titans protecting a friend. So the blanket notion that super hero confrontations are never good and heroes should never fight each other ever is patently silly.

The problem, unfortunately, is that as big as these EVENT books are, there needs to be more time and care put into them. AvX, for example, is a series I like only in hindsight... I like how it shook up the status quo, made the Avengers more active in addressing human-mutant relations, and where it left characters like Cyclops and Magneto in the aftermath. But the actual book is just AWFUL, with the stupid video game esque "__ Vs __" fight sequences, awful pacing, and butchering of several characters for no reason. The ideas were there, but they rushed it out before they were ready, and it shows in every panel and line of dialogue.

As for Inhumans Vs. X-men specifically... It doesn't take a genius to figure out that, given editorial mandate on the "winner", I will hate this book, and thus I have no desire to waste my vitriol on it. A certain head of Marvel's absolute OBSESSION with shoving the Inhumans down our throats as X-men replacements was old in season 3 of Inhu... I mean Agents of SHIELD.
Title: Re: Marvels next super-mega event is...
Post by: HarryTrotter on December 16, 2016, 07:01:24 AM
Its a really old idea by now thats the problem.Sure heroes fight a bit,then team up.But there is no team up part for years now.
And if JLA/Titans happened every year,that would also get boring.Oh yeah,Justice League vs Suicide Squad is starting.So there.
But civil war angle aside,there is the fact Cyclops is somehow "Hitler".For saving millions of people.Or for defeanding his grandaughter from a bunch of invading vigilantes.Or for something Iron Man did.
Title: Re: Marvels next super-mega event is...
Post by: HarryTrotter on December 17, 2016, 07:35:09 AM
And we now know next year will bring us Deadpool VS Punisher.And Deadpool going to war with his wife,when she invades the surface world.Thats an event.
Title: Re: Marvels next super-mega event is...
Post by: daglob on December 17, 2016, 06:10:00 PM
Quote from: Spade on December 17, 2016, 07:35:09 AM
And we now know next year will bring us Deadpool VS Punisher.And Deadpool going to war with his wife,when she invades the surface world.Thats an event.

I dunno, it sounds like a slow Saturday afternoon for Deadpool... :D
Title: Re: Marvels next super-mega event is...
Post by: HarryTrotter on December 17, 2016, 06:12:16 PM
Not with 3-5 tie-in. ;)
On an earlier note of giving them a chance-Its Jeff Lemire,he varies from Justice League United(really bad) to Black Hammer(really good) and Charles Soule,who...killed Wolverine?IDK whats his claim to fame,honestly.
They had their chances.It goes triple for their bosses.
Title: Re: Marvels next super-mega event is...
Post by: Silver Shocker on December 18, 2016, 08:23:52 AM
Quote from: Tomato on December 15, 2016, 09:37:31 PM

As much as making all these confrontations EVENTS is a relatively new phenomenon, Marvel teams have been fighting each other since the days of Stan Lee. Fighting is a good way of contrasting the different motivations, goals, and ideologies of the different characters and teams, and was essential in the early days of Marvel Comics as a way of cross-pollenating all the different readers. I *just* went through much of the early Spider-Man books, and they are just littered with FF appearances and confrontations, as well as the occasional one-off fight with characters like Hulk or Daredevil. I would argue that those happened FAR more frequently in just that one book than the event books in recent years.

So the blanket notion that super hero confrontations are never good and heroes should never fight each other ever is patently silly.


Yeah, I've read several volumes of Marvel Essential reprints from that era, and I can attest to the fact that stuff happened fairy often. That being said, most of those were one issue, done, over with, move on. This is, of course, a different creature entirely.

QuoteThe problem, unfortunately, is that as big as these EVENT books are, there needs to be more time and care put into them. AvX, for example, is a series I like only in hindsight... I like how it shook up the status quo, made the Avengers more active in addressing human-mutant relations, and where it left characters like Cyclops and Magneto in the aftermath. But the actual book is just AWFUL, with the stupid video game esque "__ Vs __" fight sequences, awful pacing, and butchering of several characters for no reason. The ideas were there, but they rushed it out before they were ready, and it shows in every panel and line of dialogue.

No argument there - the stuff that came out of it was interesting, but AVX itself was a pretty badly written conflict.

QuoteAs for Inhumans Vs. X-men specifically... It doesn't take a genius to figure out that, given editorial mandate on the "winner", I will hate this book, and thus I have no desire to waste my vitriol on it. A certain head of Marvel's absolute OBSESSION with shoving the Inhumans down our throats as X-men replacements was old in season 3 of Inhu... I mean Agents of SHIELD.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: I buy no X-Men books until this nonsense ends. (I don't count Uncanny Avengers and Spider-Man/Deadpool, and I have bought books on sale months later since Marvel gets no money, or at least less money, from that). I don't support snuff films and that's what the current X-Men books are.
Title: Re: Marvels next super-mega event is...
Post by: HarryTrotter on December 19, 2016, 06:48:39 AM
To get back to the events,and since nobody mentioned it,next year will bring us ResurreXtion,which will start X-men Blue and Gold,Iceman and Jean solos,new Cable series,Weapon X(who could be coming back?) and probably some more stuff.Did they change the approach and decided to hammer out X-men titles till people get sick?
Probably just to tie into Logan or something.
Title: Re: Marvels next super-mega event is...
Post by: Silver Shocker on December 19, 2016, 08:49:38 AM
Don't forget Generation X! Starring Jubilee, Eye-Boy, Bling!, Benjamin Deeds, Quentin Quire, and Nature Girl!

It's too bad I'm boycotting the X-Books, because this looks like it would have been right up my alley. That being said, if the X-Purge is done away with by the time the book comes out, and I'm not still sour about all the character deaths, I might just pick it up. Not familiar with Christina Strain as a writer (she used to a be colorist) but that also means she hasn't wrote anything that's ticked me off so she probably deserves a chance. Plus, unlike some other X-books, this one's destined to get cancelled in a year or two so it could use the support.

Also anyone notice what's written on Quire's shirt on the cover? Cheeky.
Title: Re: Marvels next super-mega event is...
Post by: HarryTrotter on December 19, 2016, 09:01:55 AM
It would have been nice if it was Lobdell again.Thou he might have an exclusive contract with DC now?If your going for nostalgia,you might as well go all the way.
Also,wouldnt they be at least Generation Y by now?Champions have gen Z covered. :|
Title: Re: Marvels next super-mega event is...
Post by: Silver Shocker on December 19, 2016, 11:58:37 PM
Eh, I don't really agree for a few reasons:

1. I didn't read the original so I have no nostalgic connection to it.
2. The only character in this Lobdell wrote was Jubilee.
3. Lobdell, from what I've read, is a thoroughly mediocre writer, so I'm not chomping at the bit to have him back on the comics.

That's of course without factoring in that scandal involving him which I think has no bearing on the quality of the books.

This book is just like Champions: it's a re purposing of teen heroes from earlier books that just happens to repurpose a name from an old book as well. Hell, if they wanted to, they could have made a connection to Generation Hope by calling it "Generation Jubilee".
If anything, I would have preferred it be written by either Brian Wood or Jason Aaron. Even though Wood's run was hit or miss IMO but Jubilee was a huge part of that run and the best part of it.  I never liked the character of Jubilee more than I did when Wood wrote her as a single young parent. And yes, they've confirmed the baby will be in the comic.
Title: Re: Marvels next super-mega event is...
Post by: HarryTrotter on December 20, 2016, 06:52:41 AM
Obviously,those types of scandals never stoped anyone from getting or keeping a job in the industry.Not that Im defending anyone there.
Lobdells Generation X was pretty good.I read it some time ago so Im not sure if it aged well,thou.
Btw,even with the streachable timeline,Jubilee has to be at least 20-22 IMO.
And Lobdell doesnt really have to return to comics,hes currently writing the second volume of Red Hood and the Outlaws for DC.I still hold that it wasnt so bad as people made it to be.Some elements like Roys alcoholism problem were pretty good.But I guess covers by Ed Benes gave people the wrong idea.
Just in theory,I kinda wonder why Marvel didnt try to sign in Alan Moore?He retires every two years,so thats no excuse.Even if he doesnt like Marvel,he still HATES DC.And Im sure they can pay more then Avatar Press.
Title: Re: Marvels next super-mega event is...
Post by: Silver Shocker on December 20, 2016, 07:04:20 AM
I've joked before that the only other industry I'm familiar with other than superhero comics where you can get away with this stuff is professional wrestling.
Slott: It's me Johnston!
Announcer 1: Ah son of a *&^%!
Announcer 2: What?
Slott: It was me Johnston! It was me all along Johnston! You bought it! You all bought it! Hook, line annnnnnnd siiiiinker!
Announcer 1: I DID NOT SEE THAT COMING!
Slott: You were all made fools of!
Announcer 2: You're a fool CBR!

I'm not sure if I've seen much of those covers I'm actually a really big fan of Ed Benes. I love his art style, which I find reminds me a lot of Jim Lee, who I also really like, and while he does dive into the cheesecake a bit (particularly his run on JLA with McDuffie) I've always loved his asthetics and how many of the characters look drawn by him such as Batman and Superman. This even good back to his art in the late 90s, because I read Fabian's Captain Marvel (Genis) series, which was excellent (and yes, it featured Adam X The Ex-treme) and I loved the art in that. Heh, I managed to turn it back to Marvel.

Marvel could try with "The Original Author", but I kinda doubt he wants to dip into the big two pool again. Not just because of all that shade he's been throwing for the last however many years, but also because I just don't think he's interested in writing that stuff again. I could be wrong though.
Title: Re: Marvels next super-mega event is...
Post by: HarryTrotter on December 20, 2016, 07:27:04 AM
Probably true.But he would also sell comics.And since hes now writing for Avatar Press to pay the taxes,in his own words,I think a deal could be made.In theory.
I know there was some bad blood with Marvel and Alan Davis over their Captain Britain run.So that probably is the reason they didnt approach Moore in recent times.And Miracleman could be a problem.Just guessing.
Its also the only industry that can blame people for not preordering.
Preorder that Iphone,or we are canceling it.Hard to imagine that happening.
Title: Re: Marvels next super-mega event is...
Post by: Silver Shocker on December 20, 2016, 07:45:34 AM
I don't know about threatening to cancel, but the videogame industry tries to incite customers to pre-order games all the time. I'm actually one of those crazy people who doesn't hate pre-order bonuses or DLC, but the companies definitely want me to buy them.
Comics, on the other hand....the only benefit is to make sure they don't sell out. And I get my comic book store to handle that that reserving books for me on Wednesday for me to pick up later.

Actually, come to think about it, the way Nintendo bungled the supply and demand of first-run amiibo figurines and the NES Mini, they might as well have used that tactic.

In terms of supporting the book, all I can do is buy the book and hope it has a decent run and resolves all its plot before it's cancelled, like Ant-Man. Books like it, and Generation X, and Secret Six, and the various Young Avengers books, they're going to get cancelled eventually. You just gotta accept it. Now mind you, most of the stuff that I get in trade form is stuff like Justice League, Batman, TMNT, Suicide Squad, Transformers, Star Wars....stuff they're going to be making til the end of time, so it's not really an issue to me.
Title: Re: Marvels next super-mega event is...
Post by: HarryTrotter on December 20, 2016, 08:12:55 AM
Those are also the things that get advertised the most.There is that.
Title: Re: Marvels next super-mega event is...
Post by: SickAlice on December 29, 2016, 10:10:00 PM
Nuh-uh. The next super event was Squirrel Girl Beats Up The Marvel Universe. Seriously it was.

As for this, eh. I still like the books involved in it as much as I already did. Also the four issue prelude was pretty fun though I like Emma and the Cuckoos which it has a lot of so I'm biased there.
Title: Re: Marvels next super-mega event is...
Post by: HarryTrotter on January 02, 2017, 07:29:51 PM
Im sure it was more enjoyable then this event,anyway. :)
To throw it out here:
-Eddie Brock will be back as Venom in #150.Probably.
-Sunspot is the new Citizen V.We now know what that teaser from 2 reboots ago meant.I guess because of the USAvengers theme?
Title: Re: Marvels next super-mega event is...
Post by: HarryTrotter on January 07, 2017, 04:25:03 AM
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Oh yeah,those guys...